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Janni B - 05 Jan 2005 19:19 GMT
I just got this new dental insurance.  Since I don't have
any major dental issues and I don't recognize any dentist
from its book, so I just picked one and went for a check up
and every-six-month cleaning.

After seeing my x-rays, the dentist said I have some
cavities.  Then he went on with cleaning.  Comparing the way
he does cleaning to services that I've had before him, I can
say he does a C- job.

After he was done with cleaning, he told me he also fixed
four cavities on my teeth.  This surprised me as I didn't
tell him to do that.  Then I asked what material he used, he
said it was the white material.

While all is covered by my insurance, I don't know if he did
a good job with the cavities.  Should I go to another
dentist to make sure?  Is it possible for another dentist to
make sure that the cavities are fixed all right?  Can I bill
him for re-examination.

Am I going overboard?
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 05 Jan 2005 21:35 GMT
> I just got this new dental insurance.  Since I don't have
> any major dental issues and I don't recognize any dentist
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>
> Am I going overboard?

    Where's the horrible part? ;-)
    Do I understand that he fixed 4 cavities while cleaning your teeth, and
you were unaware he was doing it?
    What makes you think he may not have done a good job?
    Another dentist will probably be able to tell if the filling was placed
with care.  What he/she will not be able to tell (unless there is access
to the first dentist's x-rays) is whether the fillings were necessary in
the first place.
    You will pay for the re-examination, and it will not be covered by your
insurance, unless 6 months has passed since the first exam.

Steve
   

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letsconnect - 05 Jan 2005 23:22 GMT
>     Do I understand that he fixed 4 cavities while cleaning your teeth, and
> you were unaware he was doing it?
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>
> --

Errrr....... no comment!! ... has HealOzone received FDA clearance ;) ?
Janni B - 05 Jan 2005 23:33 GMT
>> I just got this new dental insurance.  Since I don't have
>> any major dental issues and I don't recognize any dentist
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>    Where's the horrible part? ;-)

I AM going overboard?  Dentists do it like this all the
time?

Well, don't you think he should ask the patient first?  Also
ask the patient which material she prefers?  As I know there
are at least two kinds for fill-ins and one has lead.

When something is done to you physically and you are not
aware of it, isn't that horrible?

Thanks for the advice below.

>    Do I understand that he fixed 4 cavities while cleaning your teeth, and
>you were unaware he was doing it?

I had the doubt.  Because I felt something was cutting and
the sound was a bit of strange.  My mouth was full.  I
couldn't say anything.

>    What makes you think he may not have done a good job?
>    Another dentist will probably be able to tell if the filling was placed
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Steve
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 06 Jan 2005 00:46 GMT
> I AM going overboard?  Dentists do it like this all the
> time?
>
> Well, don't you think he should ask the patient first?  Also
> ask the patient which material she prefers?  As I know there
> are at least two kinds for fill-ins and one has lead.

    I didn't mean to trivialize your main concern--I just didn't get it.
    Understand that this is not legal advice.  If he truly treated you
without consent, this is battery.  However, just what constitutes
consent in a clinical setting is pretty much he said-she said in this
kind of situation.  If he told you that you had cavities and thought he
had given you a chance to respond and you did not, it could be construed
as tacit consent.  Obviously, if he began to treat and you objected and
he continued, we have a very different situation.
    As a practical matter, the choice of technique and material is a
professional choice.  Considering the sensitivity of this issue to some
people, I would consider it wise to discuss the options with a patient
if more than one is appropriate.  But it is the professional's place to
decide what treatment is appropriate.  It certainly is the patient's
prerogative to decline treatment.
    If you in fact think he really didn't fill the teeth, but told you (and
the insurance company) that he did, it's a very different story.  If
another dentist examines you and finds no fillings, the first dentist
quite likely committed fraud, which (unlike the nature of the consent)
is verifiable.
    Not to get into the subject, some folks are concerned with mercury (not
lead) in amalgam fillings.  In any case, if you got white fillings, you
received neither lead nor mercury.

Hope this helps,
Steve

> When something is done to you physically and you are not
> aware of it, isn't that horrible?
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>>Steve
>>   

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Joel M. Eichen - 05 Jan 2005 21:53 GMT
>I just got this new dental insurance.  Since I don't have
>any major dental issues and I don't recognize any dentist
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>he does cleaning to services that I've had before him, I can
>say he does a C- job.

Do you have the insurance that pays him $12?

Joel

>After he was done with cleaning, he told me he also fixed
>four cavities on my teeth.  This surprised me as I didn't
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>make sure that the cavities are fixed all right?  Can I bill
>him for re-examination.

YUP and if he is late be sure to bill him for your time lost.

Joel

>Am I going overboard?
Dr Steve - 06 Jan 2005 14:48 GMT
Ah, the beauty of capitation plans.

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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>I just got this new dental insurance.  Since I don't have
> any major dental issues and I don't recognize any dentist
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Am I going overboard?
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 06 Jan 2005 15:41 GMT
> Ah, the beauty of capitation plans.

    I doubt it.  He wouldn't be slippin' in a coupla xtra fillings for a
capitation fee.

Steve

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Dr Steve - 06 Jan 2005 17:42 GMT
PPO.  Slide in a few enamelplasty composites as full restorations to bill
for extra "stuff".

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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>> Ah, the beauty of capitation plans.
>
> I doubt it.  He wouldn't be slippin' in a coupla xtra fillings for a
> capitation fee.
>
> Steve
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 06 Jan 2005 17:48 GMT
> PPO.  Slide in a few enamelplasty composites as full restorations to bill
> for extra "stuff".

    "Enamelplasty"--is that some kind of a delicacy?

Steve

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Dr Steve - 06 Jan 2005 17:58 GMT
>> PPO.  Slide in a few enamelplasty composites as full restorations to bill
>> for extra "stuff".
>
> "Enamelplasty"--is that some kind of a delicacy?

Best on crackers
W_B - 06 Jan 2005 20:16 GMT
>> "Enamelplasty"--is that some kind of a delicacy?
>>
>Best on crackers

What kind of crackers ?

Oh wait, I know... tooth crackers, right ?
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Dr Steve - 06 Jan 2005 20:31 GMT
good one!

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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>
>>> "Enamelplasty"--is that some kind of a delicacy?
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> Take out the G'RBAGE
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 06 Jan 2005 21:30 GMT
>>> "Enamelplasty"--is that some kind of a delicacy?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Oh wait, I know... tooth crackers, right ?

Who is bringing up Jan's dentist and why?

Tooth-Quackers ........
W_B - 06 Jan 2005 20:08 GMT
>> PPO.  Slide in a few enamelplasty composites as full restorations to bill
>> for extra "stuff".
>
>    "Enamelplasty"--is that some kind of a delicacy?
>
>Steve

No, that would be Enamel-patsy...
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 06 Jan 2005 21:30 GMT
>> Ah, the beauty of capitation plans.

The only thing worse are the DECAPITATION plans ......

>    I doubt it.  He wouldn't be slippin' in a coupla xtra fillings for a
>capitation fee.
>
>Steve
CWatters - 06 Jan 2005 16:06 GMT
> Am I going overboard?

I think this was probably just poor communication on his part. He probably
mentioned the cavities then got to thinking "is it better to do them now or
schedule them for another time"?. He probably thinks he asked you but never
actually did so.

Here in Europe we tend to choose our dentists based on what our friends and
neighbours say. If possible I would ask around and see what other people
think about this dentist. Would they recommend him? If not go elsewhere in
six months time.
Dr Steve - 06 Jan 2005 17:47 GMT
>I just got this new dental insurance.  Since I don't have
> any major dental issues and I don't recognize any dentist
> from its book

Capitation dental insurance where you only get coverage if you go an office
on the list.

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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>
>> Am I going overboard?
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> think about this dentist. Would they recommend him? If not go elsewhere in
> six months time.
 
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