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New user of NTI device. Improvement, but still clenching. Ideas?

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Rip - 01 Jan 2005 18:39 GMT
Wearing it for about a week. Made in one visit.
It spread my front teeth a little and pushed up the gum between them
(not a big deal).
Definitely reduced the soreness and tension but not completely. I
still find myself clenching by pressing the lower front teeth against
the device.
Jorge Bonilla - 01 Jan 2005 18:55 GMT
The theory is that as long as your four anterior teeth are the only
teeth to contact, you cannot clench with as much force. This is why
your symptoms have diminished (less force on clenching, less problems
with your muscles).
Dr. Bonilla
Steven Fawks - 02 Jan 2005 15:13 GMT
Also, if the NTI was properly fitted it would act like a retainer for
the teeth that it is fitted over.  There could be no spreading.

It sounds like a change in the vertical opening could improve this case,
but I can't say for sure being over the internet and having limited
information on the case.

Fawks

> The theory is that as long as your four anterior teeth are the only
> teeth to contact, you cannot clench with as much force. This is why
> your symptoms have diminished (less force on clenching, less problems
> with your muscles).
> Dr. Bonilla
Rip - 04 Jan 2005 04:34 GMT
I was also thinking that increasing the vertical opening between the
teeth might do it. My lower teeth are worn down a millimeter or 2 and
the upper teeth are a little chipped.

If I understand correctly, there should be no increase in horizontal
distance between the 2 upper front teeth?

>Also, if the NTI was properly fitted it would act like a retainer for
>the teeth that it is fitted over.  There could be no spreading.
>
>It sounds like a change in the vertical opening could improve this case,
>but I can't say for sure being over the internet and having limited
>information on the case.
Alexander Vasserman DDS - 04 Jan 2005 10:42 GMT
I agree with Falks.

Also you should not have the spreading or spacing or impingement on the
gums. NTI should be adjusted .

It would be nice to see a picture of your bite

> I was also thinking that increasing the vertical opening between the
> teeth might do it. My lower teeth are worn down a millimeter or 2 and
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> >but I can't say for sure being over the internet and having limited
> >information on the case.
Steven Fawks - 04 Jan 2005 19:26 GMT
Thanks Westerman.

<VBG>
'Falks'

> I agree with Falks.
>
> Also you should not have the spreading or spacing or impingement on the
> gums. NTI should be adjusted .
>
> It would be nice to see a picture of your bite
Rip - 04 Jan 2005 04:35 GMT
Are you saying that it's ok that some clenching occurs. I was under
the impression that NTI causes the jaw to open as soon as the teeth
touch it (via reflex movement).

>The theory is that as long as your four anterior teeth are the only
>teeth to contact, you cannot clench with as much force. This is why
>your symptoms have diminished (less force on clenching, less problems
>with your muscles).
>Dr. Bonilla
Jorge Bonilla - 04 Jan 2005 18:49 GMT
> Are you saying that it's ok that some clenching occurs. I was under
> the impression that NTI causes the jaw to open as soon as the teeth
> touch it (via reflex movement).

Your device needs adjusting, but I can't be sure what's wrong without
seeing it. Your teeth shouldn't separate either, nor your gums recede.
Dr. Bonilla
Jorge Bonilla - 04 Jan 2005 19:05 GMT
Clenching is just biting with too much force. You will still bite,
obviously. The thing is when do you consider it's biting and when do
you consider it's clenching. I would say that it's clenching if you
have symptoms. The NTI device should make it uneasy for you to clench
since you are contacting only on a small anterior area with teeth that
will alert you of any undue force. If by any chance, a canine is
contacting the device, then you will be able to bite down harder (and
symptoms may persist).
Dr. Bonilla
Steven Fawks - 04 Jan 2005 20:14 GMT
I don't think the 'reflex' action is 100% during sleep.  Find the
proper shape for the NTI, and it will still work just fine.

Finding a verical dimension that is comfortable and still interrupts
bruxism is sometimes more difficult than others.  On cases where
teeth have been badly worn, or there is some other problem leading to
an 'overclosed' bite, there are times that I leave the discluding
element at the 'stock' opening.  Experience helps the dentist to
have an 'educated guess' at where to start.

Fawks

> Are you saying that it's ok that some clenching occurs. I was under
> the impression that NTI causes the jaw to open as soon as the teeth
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>>with your muscles).
>>Dr. Bonilla
Rip - 11 Jan 2005 07:04 GMT
ok,
thanks to Westerman, Falks, Barilla et al. for responding. :-)

The last part on which I am unclear is whether the lower teeth should
touch the NTI.

I always thought that anterior teeth do not touch if jaw is relaxed.

Is this the same with NTI, i.e. should the lower teeth not touch the
NTI most of the time or is it OK if lower teeth touch the NTI and
minor clenching occurs.

>I don't think the 'reflex' action is 100% during sleep.  Find the
>proper shape for the NTI, and it will still work just fine.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>>with your muscles).
>>>Dr. Bonilla
Steven Fawks - 11 Jan 2005 20:29 GMT
Yes, as long as no posterior teeth touch (including cuspids).

Fawks

is it OK if lower teeth touch the NTI and
> minor clenching occurs.
 
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