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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / January 2005It's the end of an era
There was a time when ... well... there was a time. The time has ended. If the link to "The TMJ Iatroepidemic" is still available, please feel free to download a copy. If it isn't, you can send me an email should you be interested. W_B was right when he questioned if my brother called me on the telephone ... he was right because the truth is, I do not follow the same faith he has chosen. It is the brink of another (Christian) new year here in Pacific Standard Time... 2005 is a mere few hours away. In 1995, we were able to work together. Ten years later, I know my brother loves me as a sister but ... beyond that ... I no longer know what to think, much less what to believe. So to our readers, the new year, 2005, seems to be one that draws the line between Webby and Chang. .... It is beyond my imagination that this is what a decade would bring us. I am not "unsubscribed" to smd or asj-d, but I guess it's time for me to retire. "The TMJ Iatroepidemic" is ... well... it's yours for free, paperback, if you ask me for a copy. It always has been. Sincerely, Sabra Broock, "The Webby" P.S. Best wishes for a happy new year to my readers, including Chang. In article <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-884EA0.18245731122004@orngca-news04.soca l.rr.com>, > There was a time when ... well... there was a time. The time has ended. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > P.S. Best wishes for a happy new year to my readers, including Chang. Upon our deaths, one of us will be rewarded with an eternity with God and the other will go to the lake of fire (or some such place) after first receiving the wrath of the Almighty. It's a shame that one of us should live with such a fear about the eternity of the other. TW > In article > <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-884EA0.18245731122004@orngca-news04.soca [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > TW You write that as though they are my words, I can only tell you of what the Scripture has shown me. But I will tell you this, I gave you 4 years of my life in your project and I never once questioned your motives. I never once thought you were leading me down a wrong path and I faithfully followed you because I loved you as I still do and because I knew you had something to share with the world. My intentions were never to engage you in a debate about jew vs. christian, heaven and hell, eternity or eternal separation, but you made a choice to get involved in something that you know I am very passionate about and now this is where it has come. Now I challenge you, I will be leading a group of people thru a study called 40 Days of Purpose, "What on earth am I here for" a number one all time best seller by author and Pastor Rick Warren from Saddleback Church right up the coast. We will meet six times on wed. nites and I believe my first class will be held on Feb 2. I will provide all study materials to you, all you have to do is show up and do the required reading and workbook in between classes as assigned. This isn't a conversion class, and this is not my intent in offering it to you. However I think it is a fair request of you. The decision is yours to make, I won't love you any less if you turn me down, but this whole thing has turned ugly and you know it has. You sat idly by while someone here compared me with the kinds of people that crash airplanes into buildings and you said nothing, your silence spoke volumes to me. It is quite obvious there are Anti-Christians in this group, atheists, and those who must be under the control of Satan and I will no longer throw pearls before swine. So you can let me know by mail, by post, by phone call, however you want, but a yes or a no will do. If you choose yes I will gladly welcome you and look forward to the study with you. If you choose no, then I must move on and continue in the Kingdom work God has set before me and I will not bother you further except to urge by prayers and petitions to God that the Holy Spirit would continue to work on you before that day comes when "it will be too late". This is all I can do and my last ditch effort at some kind of reconciliation. Me > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-47F178.08473608012005@orngca-news04.socal. [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > Me Tim, No thank you. You do as you must. Webby >> "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-47F178.08473608012005@orngca-news04.socal. [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > No thank you. You do as you must. > Webby Very well then. ..... snip .... > God that the Holy Spirit would continue to work on you before that day > > comes when "it will be too late". This is all I can do and my last ditch [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No thank you. You do as you must. > Webby Tim: I learned this when I was young: A tree is shown by its fruit And in the same way Those who belong to Christ Will be seen by what they do The key word is DO..... You want to convert people? WALK the walk, and go easy on the TALKING. You will gain more respect that way Cheers SP  SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >Subject: Re: It's the end of an era >From: StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe) [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >You want to convert people? >WALK the walk, and go easy on the TALKING. I suugest you read the bible and see what was instructed. >You will gain more respect that way >Cheers >SP Tim has displayed love and certainly should be respected. Jan > >Subject: Re: It's the end of an era >>From: StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe) [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Jan Thank you Jan for the support. I think I have done and said about all I can. At least I know what I can stake my faith on, others just talk in mumbo jumbo that is utterly meaningless or cling to something that means nothing and in the end will be nothing. Jesus said everything on this planet and the universe will pass away, but His Word will not. Jesus also said His Word will never return void without accomplishing it's purpose, so I am satisfied that I shared a Gospel message even though it was rejected by everyone but you. Noah himself preached a message of repentance for 100 years and did not have a single believer and in the end God destroyed the earth and everything in it except those 8. So like Noah I have the faithful to cling to. Good luck with your endeavors here. I don't have anything to contribute to the discussions you have so I don't participate, but I wish you the best and encourage you fight the good fight and run the good race. Best wishes, Peace & Blessings to you, Tim > > >Subject: Re: It's the end of an era > >>From: StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe) [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Tim Tim, this posted reply to "J**" tells me that I have good reason to worry about you. TW >>>>Subject: Re: It's the end of an era >>>>From: StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe) [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > TW In a different post near 01/08/2005 10:47 AM The Webby wrote: > It's a shame that one of us should live with such a fear about the > eternity of the other. TW, would it be accurate to say that you are a walking contradiction? Maybe you prefer to be called "complex". [cut] > > Tim, this posted reply to "J**" tells me that I have good reason to > > worry about you. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > TW, would it be accurate to say that you are a walking contradiction? > Maybe you prefer to be called "complex". No contradiction. You can call me "complex" if you prefer. TW >> It's a shame that one of us should live with such a fear about the >> eternity of the other. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You write that as though they are my words, I can only tell you of what the >Scripture has shown me. Just pick up the phone and talk. This discussion should neither be public nor in SMD. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >>> It's a shame that one of us should live with such a fear about the >>> eternity of the other. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Just pick up the phone and talk. > This discussion should neither be public nor in SMD. 1-888-591-1234 Hyatt reservations get a room carabelli Tell you what Webby, let's just start our own religion and then we can decide what hoops we have to jump through to go to 'our' heaven. We can even have our own secret handshake. 'Course, when we die, we might just die. But we won't know that until it happens. ;-) Fawks > Upon our deaths, one of us will be rewarded with an eternity with God > and the other will go to the lake of fire (or some such place) after [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > TW >Tell you what Webby, let's just start our own religion and then we >can decide what hoops we have to jump through to go to 'our' heaven. Have you tried "Festivus?" >We can even have our own secret handshake. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> TW > Tell you what Webby, let's just start our own religion and then we > can decide what hoops we have to jump through to go to 'our' heaven. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > TW Fawks... you do realize that we could all end up in smd forever.... ;-) TW In article <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-E2BA35.09113709012005@orngca-news04.soca l.rr.com>, > > Tell you what Webby, let's just start our own religion and then we > > can decide what hoops we have to jump through to go to 'our' heaven. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > TW Trying to let the anquish of it all go and let a little humor in... Thanks TW | > Tell you what Webby, let's just start our own religion and then we | > can decide what hoops we have to jump through to go to 'our' heaven. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] | | TW Depending on who else ends up here it could be heaven or it could be hell. How will we know other than the ability to filter? SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-E2BA35.09113709012005@orngca-news04.socal. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > How > will we know other than the ability to filter? Ah.... the ability of the filter becomes the power of the filter!! ;-) > > > Upon our deaths, one of us will be rewarded with an eternity with God > > > and the other will go to the lake of fire (or some such place) after [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > TW We heathen imperialist crusading Catholics would call that 'Purgatory', a place of atonement for past sins... When goD decides a sufferer has suffered enough, hE sends the angeL gabrieL to take the sufferer out and leads him into the kingdom of heaveN. Where is this place heaveN? Don't know... might find it on MapQuest.... but here's something for y'all: 'heaveN' is a WESTERN phenomenon.... and it was introduced into the Christian road show quite late in the history of this group of religions. This, I believe, is why the Krist-ians must convert all the others.... Their philosophies are more of a 'Samsara IS Nirvana' type of mind-set. This threatens a goal-oriented religion such as Krist-ian-ity to its very foundations. I know ... Blasphemy .... But, there are those more holy in this world than wind-bag missionaries... What about, say, the Dalai Llama? ... I cannot believe a man such as he will burn in helL for eternity, because he has not heard the worD... I think he has... He just doesn't swallow it whole. Further... if one WANTS to be a wind-bag missionary, for whatever religion, one should have at least a few courses in comparative religions at the University level before pumping up. Some University level instruction on the HISTORY of different religions, and LIVING in some of the places where these religions are the norm for awhile, before challenging them, should also be compulsory. To that end, there is a program on the CBC on Sunday called 'Tapestry' on religions of the world. Y'all could probably get it on www.CBC.ca. Yo, Tim..... Y'all hearin' this....?... dominuS vobiscuM SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >Subject: Re: It's the end of an era >From: StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > > and the other will go to the lake of fire (or some such place) after >> > > first receiving the wrath of the Almighty. Incorrect. >> > > It's a shame that one of us should live with such a fear about the >> > > eternity of the other. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >We heathen imperialist crusading Catholics would call that 'Purgatory', >a place of atonement for past sins.. That is a man made story, the bible speaks of no such thing. In fact, upon death the decision has been made by God. This in no need to pray for the dead. They made their choices and they will be judged by them. >When goD decides a sufferer has >suffered enough, hE sends the angeL gabrieL to take the sufferer out and >leads him into the kingdom of heaveN. The dead knoweth no anything. Upon the return of Christ, the dead in Christ shall rise first. Jan > > > > Upon our deaths, one of us will be rewarded with an eternity with God > > > > and the other will go to the lake of fire (or some such place) after [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > dominuS vobiscuM > SP It's tims way of think that has given us the Inquisition and the Holocausts (Germany, Uganda, Rwanda, Yugoslavia and now the Middle East) Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry,alt.support.jaw-disorders From: Robert Morien <PhD_fail...@nousefulinfo.com> - Find messages by this author Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 21:04:36 -0800 Local: Sun, Jan 9 2005 9:04 pm Subject: Re: It's the end of an era It's tims way of think that has given us the Inquisition and the Holocausts (Germany, Uganda, Rwanda, Yugoslavia and now the Middle East) It's not Tim's way, it is God's word. Jan > I am not "unsubscribed" to smd or asj-d, but I guess it's time for me to > retire. "The TMJ Iatroepidemic" is ... well... it's yours for free, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > P.S. Best wishes for a happy new year to my readers, including Chang. In what sense did you or will you "retire"? > > I am not "unsubscribed" to smd or asj-d, but I guess it's time for me to > > retire. "The TMJ Iatroepidemic" is ... well... it's yours for free, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > In what sense did you or will you "retire"? Webby as part of "Webby & Chang" is retired. We need to keep our future works on an individual effort. That's all. We didn't have any plans to work on an additional project together, but I think it would not be a good idea for us now. TW >> > I am not "unsubscribed" to smd or asj-d, but I guess it's time for me >> > to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > TW I agree for more reasons than this little exchange of whatever you all want to call it. You have unfortunately turned this into your life, but not me. I don't need to spend all day here doing the same old same old. I gave you four years of my life once, I don't have another four to give, but I did ask you to give me some of your time, a few lousy weeks, to perhaps get an understanding of what im doing, and you flat turned me down. I never ever turned you down and went above and beyond what most people would have done. But apparently you got what you wanted and thats that. I followed you into all of this when I had no need to and did it because I wanted to know what you were about, guess I found out didn't I. You only want people to be interested in what you have to say and you have no time for anyone else. Well thats fine by me. I'm done with this and I'm done with this place, and I will never be back. Not because of the anti-christians, aethists, God haters, and demons that haunt this little hole in the usenet, but because of you. Good bye. > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-810B91.15060211012005@orngca-news04.socal. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Good bye. I have absolutely no idea what you asked of me a few weeks ago that I apparently refused you. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm not certain that you do either. Tim, I don't recognize you anymore and it is a sad thing to have to say. I wish you a happy life... that's all I've ever wanted for you. TW In article <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-B43083.08243512012005@orngca-news04.soca l.rr.com>, > > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-810B91.15060211012005@orngca-news04.soca [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > TW P.S. I see I misread what you wrote, Tim. You asked me to attend your course that meets once a week for several weeks up the coast (not in my neighborhood either). Tim, i do not need to attend an indoctrination series for your Bible teaching-study approach to Christianity. It is an unreasonable request of me and you can't even understand. You have truly lost sight of reality and I can't be the one to help you at this point. You needed to find a reason to justify picking your "church" over your sister. You found your reason and you have justified it. I feel better now that I understand what I misunderstood. I have faith that you will find a way to realize the choice you have made is not a good one. So I will not reply with "Good bye" as you did to me. You're my brother and I see this situation as one that happens to families. There is still hope that you'll find your way out and back into full society. Webby > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-810B91.15060211012005@orngca-news04.socal. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Good bye. For the completion of this (very) public record, this is the request you made of me and my response is the reason you say "Good bye." to me. You wrote: > Now I challenge you, I will be leading a group of people thru a study called > 40 Days of Purpose, "What on earth am I here for" a number one all time best [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > comes when "it will be too late". This is all I can do and my last ditch > effort at some kind of reconciliation. You challenged me. And then you justified the challenge as being "a fair request" of me. There is nothing fair about making me choose between attending your "study" or saying "good bye" to your sibling. Since when is it required that friends or family must share the same *exact* religious beliefs or be cut loose from one another? Tim, I assume that this requirement of yours holds true for everyone you share your life with and not just me. I don't see why you would hold me to a standard that does not apply to everyone else "in your life". You've made your choice and I must accept it. TW > > I am not "unsubscribed" to smd or asj-d, but I guess it's time for me to > > retire. "The TMJ Iatroepidemic" is ... well... it's yours for free, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > P.S. Best wishes for a happy new year to my readers, including Chang. And to yourself as well... Are you saying that you didn't cash my check??? You should have, as you sent it to me by fast post. I will have some comments that I wrote to myself while reading it over Xmas, and thus, even if I was away from the real SMD, I was still in the SMD 'mind-set', albeit a somewhat horrific one... Cheers SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet > > > I am not "unsubscribed" to smd or asj-d, but I guess it's time for me to > > > retire. "The TMJ Iatroepidemic" is ... well... it's yours for free, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Cheers > SP ... I have not cashed it yet, SP. I know you want me to... so I will. Yes, the book was meant to be like a cybertime-travel option, I suppose. Thanks very much, SP. TW > > And to yourself as well... Are you saying that you didn't cash my > > check??? You should have, as you sent it to me by fast post. I will have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > TW 'welcome... I think it would be good suggested reading for all (such as myself) who came quite late to UseNet, and to the problems that densistry could cause. Cheers SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet |
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