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Did I get a sloppy crown prep?

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Patrick - 30 Dec 2004 23:58 GMT
Hello folks,

I am a male in my late 40's in good general health.  I have about a
half-dozen fillings and an old crown on a lower molar.  Recently a
corner broke off another molar.

I had the crown prep about a week ago, and the crown is supposed to be
ready early next week.  I am not very familiar with the dentist,
and I worry that I might be getting a sloppy job.

I'm trying to include the relevant facts--sorry if this is long-winded.

The broken tooth had a big filling for about 30 years.  It has given
some pain in the past several years, mostly when chewing.  I was chewing
a steak some months ago when the inner front corner broke off.  The
dentinal surface of the shard is an ovoid about 4.5mm high and 5.5mm
wide.  The shard is about 2.5mm at its thickest.  The exposed dentinal
surface of the tooth extended about 1mm to 2mm below the gum line.

Before the prep, the dentist said my gums were healthy.  He showed me
the X-rays, which seem to be of good quality, and he said he didn't see
anything wrong with the root.  I pressed him a bit to mention any
possible complications.  He only mentioned that the fracture surface was
partly below the gum line but acted like that wasn't much of a problem.
 We determined to use a porcelain-covered metal crown.

Maybe it's not justified, but I'm having some worry related to the
doctor's demeanor, the appearance of the plastic impression, and the fit
of the temporary.

Making small talk while waiting for the novocaine to work, he seemed
something like depressed or apathetic.  Really it seemed like he didn't
put much care into prepping the tooth.  It seemed like he was working at
arm's length, as if he was barely looking.  He was about to go in again
when I stopped him to spit.  Then he didn't go in again after all, as if
he didn't want to go to the trouble.

He showed me the impressions when they were done.  When he held them up,
I could see light through the plastic where the prepped molar had almost
touched the opposing tooth.  He pointed that out and said he would have
to adjust the opposing tooth (which has a medium-size filling in the
center).  He also mentioned that the impression showed the fracture
line.  I am thinking he didn't remove enough dentin.

With a penlight and a pair of strong reading glasses I see two irregular
4mm holes in the anodized surface of the aluminum temporary.  In the
holes I see white material, presumably either dentin or cement.  The
white areas are each about 2mm in diameter.  I can't get floss between
the temporary and its neighbor.  Maybe the question is whether there is
just a poor temporary fit or not enough dentin was removed.

I was thinking I might tell the dentist I am uneasy and take the crown
and the models to another dentist to check before setting the crown.

I would be very thankful for any advice that addresses the specifics of
this situation.

Patrick
Bill - 31 Dec 2004 01:02 GMT
> Hello folks,
>
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>
> Before the prep, the dentist said my gums were healthy.  He showed me

> the X-rays, which seem to be of good quality, and he said he didn't see
> anything wrong with the root.  I pressed him a bit to mention any
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> I was thinking I might tell the dentist I am uneasy and take the crown
> and the models to another dentist to check before setting the crown.

It's not likely he would just let you have something you haven't fullly
paid for, just to take to a different dentist. Would the criteria for
selecting the second dentist be any different, or any better, than
those used in selecting the first dentist? The first dentist could be
insulted by your evident lack of trust. The second dentist generally
would not be eager to open a can of worms which wasn't his problem in
the first place.

You said that you weren't very familiar with this dentist. How did you
select him to perform the crown preparation?

It can be helpful to let a dentist know that you selected him based
upon his longstanding reputation for careful, meticulous dental
treatment. Of course, tell him this only if it is true.

If he has any reason to suspect that you paid no particular care in
selecting a dentist, then human nature (unfortunately) may come into
play here. I don't know the particulars of this situation, but I
suppose it's possible that the degree of care he put into the crown
preparation may reflect what he feels about the degree of care you put
into selecting him as your dentist in the first place.

Guard against letting an insurance company select your dentist.

Nobody on this newsgroup can see the tooth in question, so it's
impossible to judge accurately the parameters of the crown preparation.
I always recommend developing a personal relationship with your own
dentist over time, so this type of question can be discussed and
resolved with him directly.

Good luck to you. Let us know what you decide.
Best regards,
- dentaldoc
Patrick - 31 Dec 2004 02:10 GMT
>>He showed me the impressions when they were done.  When he held them
>
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>
>>just a poor temporary fit or not enough dentin was removed.

> It's not likely he would just let you have something you haven't fullly
> paid for, just to take to a different dentist.

Of course.

> Would the criteria for
> selecting the second dentist be any different, or any better, than
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> You said that you weren't very familiar with this dentist. How did you
> select him to perform the crown preparation?

He was my dentist for a few years many years ago.  I have returned to
the area after being away.  He is still my family's dentist and I have
reason to believe he generally does good work.

> It can be helpful to let a dentist know that you selected him based
> upon his longstanding reputation for careful, meticulous dental
> treatment. Of course, tell him this only if it is true.

I did select him for similar reasons, but I didn't tell him so.  I guess
I should have.

> If he has any reason to suspect that you paid no particular care in
> selecting a dentist, then human nature (unfortunately) may come into
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> Nobody on this newsgroup can see the tooth in question, so it's
> impossible to judge accurately the parameters of the crown preparation.

Of course.  Thank you for treating these "human" issues in general
terms.  I hope you can treat my technical questions in general terms too.
Patrick - 31 Dec 2004 02:16 GMT
> He showed me the impressions when they were done.  When he held them up,
> I could see light through the plastic where the prepped molar had almost
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> the temporary and its neighbor.  Maybe the question is whether there is
> just a poor temporary fit or not enough dentin was removed.

How common is it to have to cut holes in the temporary?  Maybe I didn't
bite down hard enough before the cement hardened?

How common is it to be able to see much light through the plastic
impression?
Bill - 31 Dec 2004 03:31 GMT
> > He showed me the impressions when they were done.  When he held them up,
> > I could see light through the plastic where the prepped molar had almost
> > touched the opposing tooth.  He pointed that out and said he would have
> > to adjust the opposing tooth (which has a medium-size filling in the
> > center).  He also mentioned that the impression showed the fracture

> > line.  I am thinking he didn't remove enough dentin.
> >
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> How common is it to have to cut holes in the temporary?  Maybe I didn't
> bite down hard enough before the cement hardened?

With the preformed aluminum temporaries, it's more common. The custom
acrylic temporaries don't get so many holes in the occlusion, but they
take longer to make and fit.

In a temp crown, the surface holes usually don't matter at all in a
practical sense, as it will soon be replaced with the durable, final
crown.

> How common is it to be able to see much light through the plastic
> impression?

I think of an impression as silicone or rubber (even hydrocolloid), but
the term "plastic" makes me think of a temporary crown. Plastic
temporary crowns will usually show varying degrees of light. Most
impressions will not, unless they are hydrocolloid. What was the
impression material made of?
Patrick - 31 Dec 2004 04:22 GMT
>>>He showed me the impressions when they were done.  When he held
>
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>
> With the preformed aluminum temporaries, it's more common.

Thanks for your kind reply.

So probably the white I see is cement rather than dentin?  Is there an
easy way for me to tell?

> In a temp crown, the surface holes usually don't matter at all in a
> practical sense, as it will soon be replaced with the durable, final
> crown.

Okay, just worried that it meant he couldn't get the temp to fit (due to
not removing enough dentin), so they wouldn't be able to make the
permanent crown thin enough.

>>How common is it to be able to see much light through the plastic
>>impression?
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> impressions will not, unless they are hydrocolloid. What was the
> impression material made of?

Probably I misused the term "plastic".  Now that you mention it, I think
it was silicone.  It was blue and soft ("rubbery") and semi-opaque like
silicone automotive sealant.  It had a slight bitter taste.
Bill - 02 Jan 2005 04:56 GMT
I generally can't see much light through an elastomeric impression --
except for those areas to the sides of the actual tooth impression
itself. In the "closed-bite" impression technique, it's normal for the
teeth adjacent to the prepared tooth to be in full occlusion, thus
creating very thin spots in the impression where the upper and lower
(unprepared) teeth meet each other. These "contacts" would then be
quite transparent.

I don't want to see light through the area of the prep itself, as that
might indicate the need to increase the clearance between the prep and
the opposing tooth.

- dentaldoc
Patrick - 02 Jan 2005 16:30 GMT
> I generally can't see much light through an elastomeric impression --
> except for those areas to the sides of the actual tooth impression
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>
> - dentaldoc

He told me to bite evenly on the back teeth, which I tried to do and
thought I did, despite the novocaine.

I figured that when he saw that light, he should have removed more tooth
and taken another impression, since he already had me in the chair and
anesthetized.

I believe the impression was thin at one of the cusps.  There is a very
large filling in the opposing tooth, and I would expect it would be best
to disturb that as little as possible.  Also my third molars never
erupted on that side, so there may be a greater load on the second
molars.  The lower second molar is the one being crowned.

Still not sure what to do.
Dr Steve - 05 Jan 2005 19:04 GMT
> Still not sure what to do.

Sounds like the real life interpretation of the TV show "Monk"
Bill - 02 Jan 2005 04:57 GMT
I generally can't see much light through an elastomeric impression --
except for those areas to the sides of the actual tooth impression
itself. In the "closed-bite" impression technique, it's normal for the
teeth adjacent to the prepared tooth to be in full occlusion, thus
creating very thin spots in the impression where the upper and lower
(unprepared) teeth meet each other. These "contacts" would then be
quite transparent.

I don't want to see light through the area of the prep itself, as that
might indicate the need to increase the clearance between the prep and
the opposing tooth.

- dentaldoc
 
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