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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / December 2004Fluoride and limiting children's water intake
I would think that maybe our newsgroup has a few people who would be willing to develop (together) a letter that would be of a quality appropriate to be sent to the Editors of newspapers across the county. I don't think that the general public gives fluoride much of a thought after their children are grown, or for those without children, they may not have any idea that fluoride is a public issue at all. Most Americans are probably aware that fluoride is in toothpastes. Most of the advertising $$$ seems to focus on "the whitening" properties of toothpaste because of the desire to promote the "need" for cosmetic dentistry. So I ask, smd, can we devise a letter that can be distributed by any/all of us to our local newspapers bringing attention to the need for a better *standard* for public information regarding fluoride and it's issues. It is a **reasonable** question to ask, "Should I limit the amount of water my child drinks because the water is fluoridate?" And of course, for the question to be reasonable, there needs to be a valid reason for the question. We have some information that can put this together. It is not reasonable to ask that question without providing the reason behind its significance. Reasonable vs. unreasonable. TW Just a suggestion, but instead of letters to newspapers I would recommend a letter formatted to use easily by the lay person like I am to send to representatives about getting this information to the people. It was done by the Crohn's Colitis Foundation of American for the IBD ACT. It took a long time to get the proper attentions but the bill finally got signed by the president this month. UM MOM Susan >I would think that maybe our newsgroup has a few people who would be > willing to develop (together) a letter that would be of a quality [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > TW > Just a suggestion, but instead of letters to newspapers I would recommend a > letter formatted to use easily by the lay person like I am to send to [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > TW From "The Fluoride Debate" http://www.fluoridedebate.com/conclusion.html Professor Albert Schatz, Ph.D., Microbiology, discoverer of the antibiotic streptomycin, was of the same opinion. His statement was: "fluoridation ... it is the greatest fraud that has ever been perpetrated and it has been perpetrated on more people than any other fraud has." ________________________________________ Prof. Schatz was one of the first readers of "The TMJ Iatroepidemic" and supported the message it delivered. Susan, I think we need to establish what our question is before we necessarily decide where the audience for the question might best be found. I appreciate your idea. TW Well the first question that came to me when this topic got going is "Why is fluoride added to so many things allowing people to have more than the recommended doses?" I didn't know and I suspect most don't realize how much fluoride they and their children are consuming to make an educated decision. UM MOM Susan > Susan, I think we need to establish what our question is before we > necessarily decide where the audience for the question might best be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > TW > Well the first question that came to me when this topic got going is "Why is > fluoride added to so many things allowing people to have more than the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > TW There is so much to read and learn about on this subject. If you haven't visited Peter Meiers' website, I encourage you to do so. He makes very good points in asking who will be listening? http://PMeiers.bei.t-online.de/index.htm TW I do have it bookmarked but haven't really gotten a chance to really read it which I intend to do. I am interested in the connection of fluoride to bones which was a surprise to hear about. So I am just 'listening' to what you all are saying about this to see if there is something I should change with having medical problems of my own. Thank you for the interesting discussions that have been going on. A lot of what is said is over my head but I am finding this discussion quite an interesting read. Having problems going to websites until I get my virus protection updated, hubby's been busy. I should have this taken care of by the weekend though which will make me more comfortable about going to some of the sites being shown. Thanks again, and I will be checking this site out more thoroughly. I'll let you know what I think, if anything, when I do. UM MOM Susan >> Well the first question that came to me when this topic got going is "Why >> is [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > TW >Well the first question that came to me when this topic got going is "Why is >fluoride added to so many things allowing people to have more than the >recommended doses?" I didn't know and I suspect most don't realize how >much fluoride they and their children are consuming to make an educated >decision. UM MOM Susan Yes astute comment. THANKS. Joel >> Susan, I think we need to establish what our question is before we >> necessarily decide where the audience for the question might best be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> TW Hello Sabra, > I would think that maybe our newsgroup has a few people who would be > willing to develop (together) a letter that would be of a quality > appropriate to be sent to the Editors of newspapers across the county. I much appreciate your efforts. We have seen in the last years so many discussions on fluoride at smd. This time I was surprised, however, how peaceful the discussion went on. After the first posts by Keri I had the strange feeling (not more than that though) that it might be some setup; and I was very reluctant, therefore, to get involved. I realize that many of the regulars here did not participate either. For whatever reason. Your plan to develop a letter to be sent to the editors of newspapers across the country sounds interesting. But I bet it will have little success in the end, even if some people here become involved. The public depends on what they chose to be their experts. These "experts" in the right positions (Public Health people) have their say and know how to spread their wisdom and how to suppress others. They can do so with the full backing of their government, as fluoride is an economic and strategic issue as well. It´s not only about caries, though this is what counts at smd. If the interest of governments were indeed directed at caries prevention, how can those same governments sign international sugar treaties in more or less regular intervals to increase sugar sales? Sugar is also an economic issue. Much money is involved here. Fluoride serves also to detract attention from this topic. Have you ever followed where the Sugar Bureau (the international head of the sugar business) has its money? The journalists? They have no clue. And most of them are either not interested in fluoride as long as they cannot see the thriller behind it, or they get admonished/fired by their boss if they dare to be too critic. I was after fluoride for so many years now and I can see no end to the issue. The dentists and physicians I met, who finaly started to publicly oppose fluoridation schemes, all got silenced. Practice interests were at stake. Who else would listen? Best, Peter (an unreasonable one)  Signature-History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation-: --- http://PMeiers.bei.t-online.de/index.htm --- ---------------------------------------------------- > Hello Sabra, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > peaceful the discussion went on. After the first posts by Keri I had the > strange feeling (not more than that though) that it might be some setup; I suspected when she couldn't keep the story straight on her kids ages etc. But when she said she had a breast reduction surgery?? - that would never happen in Texas. carabelli >> Hello Sabra, >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >carabelli I know ... you want proof. > >I suspected when she couldn't keep the story straight on her kids ages etc. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I know ... you want proof. Ooops, Joel, have you been at W_B´s party lately? Peter Signature-History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation-: --- http://PMeiers.bei.t-online.de/index.htm --- ---------------------------------------------------- - Fluor. Auf den Spuren eines Wundermittels - : --http://PMeiers.bei.t-online.de/deutsch/index.htm-- ---------------------------------------------------- >> I know ... you want proof. > >Ooops, Joel, have you been at W_B´s party lately? Good one that's HIGH proof. > Hello Sabra, > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Peter > (an unreasonable one) Hello Peter, As you know, I value your opinion as a reasonable person. In answer to your final question, "Who else would listen?", and signed by 'an unreasonable one', I too think no one will listen to 'unreasonable people'. Still, I think it is important to encourage people not to become apathetic about issues merely because they think or even if they have good reason to know that no one will listen even if they do speak up. Thank you for your contributions to the knowledge base. People can take it or leave it... these are choices people can make on their own. Sincerely, Sabra >I would think that maybe our newsgroup has a few people who would be >willing to develop (together) a letter that would be of a quality [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >toothpaste because of the desire to promote the "need" for cosmetic >dentistry. ************************************************ I am working on a paper and am trying to obtain information regarding fluoride levels in water. Specifically I am trying to determine the range and distribution of fluoride concentrations. Would it be possible to obtain data from you that would assist me in preparing my paper? Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fluoride levels in water vary from (essentially) zero to upwards of 7 parts per million (mg / L) fluoride. The U.S. Public health service recommends that fluoride levels in community water supplies range from 0.7 to 1.2 parts per million. The best source for the type of information you are seeking is the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. I highly recommend the following resources: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/oh/flfact.htm The American Dental Association http://www.ada.org/consumer/fluoride/fl-menu.html The California Dental Association http://www.cda.org/public/pubhsrvc.html Jay D. Shulman, DMD, MSPH Associate Professor Department of Public Health Sciences ************************************************ >So I ask, smd, can we devise a letter that can be distributed by any/all >of us to our local newspapers bringing attention to the need for a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >TW |
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