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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / December 2004Scientific Study-Vapors From Amalgams
http://www.lichtenberg.dk/mercury_vapour_in_the_oral_cavit.htm In above article, I read this: "In the case of pregnant women, mercury passes completely unhindered through the placenta to the embryo, and it has been shown that the concentration of mercury in the blood of an embryo can be up to 30 times higher than in the blood of the mother." In the rat experiment, I read this: "Mercury concentrations in the fetal brain, liver, kidneys and whole blood were lower than those of the maternal tissues." So.... which one is true? -Weezie > In above article, I read this: > "In the case of pregnant women, mercury passes completely unhindered [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -Weezie I just wrote a long response and lost it so I'll try again. The answer is simple. Rats give multiple births therefore the total Hg load is spread out among many rats each which essentially acts as a sponge for Hg and mops up any loose Hg in the tissue. A more relevant comparision would be someone having quadruplets vs a single child. Each quadruplet would theoretically have 1/4 the total Hg load or if they had the same load the amount in the surrounding tissue would be much less. Interestingly the half life of Hg in the rat brain is only 30 days becasuse Hg can diffuse through it much faster than in a human brain. Rats also do not have a BBB if IRRC. Keep in mind also that recent research shows the placneta communicates with the embryo using small amounts of hormones similar to how low levels of hormone regulate moods in the human brain. Hg is a hormone disrtupor and can concentrate higher in the placenta creating a potential for disruption of embryonic development far creater than what is measured in the tissue. >I just wrote a long response and lost it Such an erudite, educated, and scientific fellow such as yourself, CA; shouldn't admit to such simple mental lapses in the global theater. BTW CA, hmmm... CyanoAcrylate Small wonder. Grabs onto an idea and cannot let go. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE What happened to your ban? I thought you weren't going to post any responses until dec 2005. You've got 11 and a half months left. >What happened to your ban? I thought you weren't going to post any >responses >until dec 2005. You've got 11 and a half months left. You flatter yourself, grasshopper. CubicAirconia was exempted in the private arena discussions. A failed debator always attempts to 'change the subject', and tries to start a hostile argument. 2. Therefore the clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net >A failed debator always attempts to 'change the subject', >and tries to start a hostile argument. Most dentists here do just that. They post nonsense and insults. Good luck on your hangover tommorrow. >Good luck on your hangover tommorrow. Assumes facts not in evidence. But thanks for the unkind words, it shows your true character. You cannot win an argument on a scientific basis... so you predictably attack someone's character. I just happen to be the most convenient target of your twisted affectations. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE Well, its frustrating to hold a conversation with someone who hides behind an anyonomous ID and hurls insults. Of course you could prove me wrong once and for all by posting your real name right now! (if you had the courage). >Well, its frustrating to hold a conversation with someone who hides >behind >an anyonomous ID and hurls insults. Of course you could prove me wrong >once and for all by posting your real name right now! (if you had the >courage). Once again you show your true weakness by asking a frivolous question. I hide from no-one who deserves to know my true identity. You don't fall into that category I doubt that you ever will. My public e-mail is published at the end of every single one of my posts. If you wish to contact me privately, which you are welcomed to do so: and may I note publicly that you never have done so as such to this date, you may feel free to contact me privately. Now let's see who has 'courage' as you so eloquently put it. It should not matter to you who I am IRL, only the science counts in usenet. Only a 'w.nker' changes the subject and asks for a "reveal". Really shows how weak your argument really is. Whassamattayou? -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE One reason is there is no point. As Fawks said there is a limited group of people here. The issues being discussed affect millions who really don't care what a few people say in cyberspace. Even if I could convince all the regulars of the dangers of amalgam that would be a few out 100,000 dentists just in the US. What difference does knowing a name mean? You still don't know anyone on the net unless you meet them in person! UM MOM Susan > Well, its frustrating to hold a conversation with someone who hides > behind > an anyonomous ID and hurls insults. Of course you could prove me wrong > once and for all by posting your real name right now! (if you had the > courage). True enough. Everyone knows my name is George. >What difference does knowing a name mean? You still don't know anyone on >the net unless you meet them in person! UM MOM Susan >> Well, its frustrating to hold a conversation with someone who hides >> behind >> an anyonomous ID and hurls insults. Of course you could prove me wrong >> once and for all by posting your real name right now! (if you had the >> courage). -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE > What difference does knowing a name mean? You still don't know anyone on > the net unless you meet them in person! UM MOM Susan [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > once and for all by posting your real name right now! (if you had the > > courage). I'm very careful about who I invite to my home from the internet. The only ones who have ever been invited to my home are the people I have met in smd and asj-d (alt.support.jaw-disorder). My first guest came all the way from Italy. Another from Canada, another from Michigan (although we met up at a restaurant for convenience)... and then another from Michigan who came with his family, and still others have standing invitations because they are "known" by someone who *knows* that person IRL. Some plans to meet up have fallen apart simply because travel plans changed. Of note, my first guest was not known to anyone IRL here in smd. We fostered a friendship online and shared some international phone calls between 1995 and the first visit in 1998. He could read enlish without trouble but writing and speaking was difficult. But still, we found a way to communicate with care and we learned a great deal from each other. Then later in 1998, I went to Italy as the guest of that person and his family and spent a month learning more about our common concerns and ideas. Our friendship continues to grow and he no longer posts here to smd because it is so time consuming for him to translate. He rarely uses english where he lives so we talk on the phone as often as we can. It's all about having reason to trust other people. Building a network that begins online in a newsgroup such as this can an is happening as we read. I have many thoughts on this subject. TW >> What difference does knowing a name mean? You still don't know anyone on >> the net unless you meet them in person! UM MOM Susan [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > TW I would like to add comment to this. The same wonderful, gentle, kind, compassionate person Webby writes about who traveled all this way, came to save my life, and he did. It's a long tale, probably too long to share here, but had *we* not met him, and had the maxillofacial surgical community here in san diego had there way with me, I would likely be missing some of my anatomy. What they claimed could not be fixed but could be surgically remedied by stopping some mysterious disease from advancing any further was *fixed*, no *cured* by this person who we met right here in SMD. Don't think for a minute that life changing events can't occur because of this newsgroup. > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-B5199C.08151318122004@orngca-news04.socal. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Don't think for a minute that life changing events can't occur because of > this newsgroup. Wonderful additional comment. Thanks. TW I should have directed the new subject line sooner. Sorry. TW In article <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-95D7C3.08384118122004@orngca-news04.soca l.rr.com>, > > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-B5199C.08151318122004@orngca-news04.soca [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > TW What a wonderful thing he did! Yes, some people on the net are so helpful and go out of their way to help that it reminds me that not all people are rude or nasty. I try to return the help that I receive on the net and I think I do. I learned so much from so many about crohn's disease when I was in a total panic thinking I had a death sentence with the diagnosis and being told there is no cure for it. The support groups are wonderful, minus the normal trolls that like to stir things up. I take info now that I receive and do research but I always talk to my dr's before I make any changes. It took me over two years to get the group of dr's I have to see together. Thanks again for sharing. UM MOM Susan >>> What difference does knowing a name mean? You still don't know anyone >>> on [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Don't think for a minute that life changing events can't occur because of > this newsgroup. > I would like to add comment to this. The same wonderful, gentle, kind, > compassionate person Webby writes about who traveled all this way, came to > save my life, and he did. It's a long tale, probably too long to share > here, but had *we* not met him, and had the maxillofacial surgical community > here in san diego had there way with me, I would likely be missing some of > my anatomy. What they claimed could not be fixed but could be surgically Not at all, I'm sure people would be very interested. I guess it makes sense if you post in a Dental NG that you may have had past dental problems. What was this disease and why do you think the conventional maxillofacial surgical community was wrong in their treatment? You don't have to give any names. >Not at all, I'm sure people would be very interested. >I guess it makes sense if you post in a Dental NG that you >may have had past dental problems. What was this disease >and why do you think the conventional maxillofacial surgical >community was wrong in their treatment? You don't have to >give any names. I agree, except for mercury posioning which is really a buzzword for anti-DENTITE. I guess its better to remain anonymous! Joel >> I would like to add comment to this. The same wonderful, gentle, > kind, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > community was wrong in their treatment? You don't have to > give any names. The disease was described as severe degenerative bilateral joint disease, secondary to trauma. The options were as follows: 1. Plication with ligation using mitek bone anchors. 2. Bilateral amputation of condyles. The solution was as follows: 1. One year of A.G.E.L.K. therapy, 3x daily, up to 10 minutes per session. The result: 1. Remodeling of anatomy allowing for full ROM returning patient to healthy jaw function with no need for continued care. > >> I would like to add comment to this. The same wonderful, gentle, > > kind, [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > 1. Remodeling of anatomy allowing for full ROM returning patient to healthy > jaw function with no need for continued care. A non-invasive correct therapy was the key. This applied with The Art of Healing was the difference between probable disaster and a bright and happy future. TW > You don't have to >give any names. Ahh, but you asked for mine. Double standard ? Or did you re-think your position ? -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE > What they claimed could not be fixed but could be surgically > remedied by stopping some mysterious disease from advancing any further was > *fixed*, no *cured* by this person who we met right here in SMD. > > Don't think for a minute that life changing events can't occur because of > this newsgroup. Excellent! Did you describe the treatments you received on the SMD? If so I can search the archives to find that, as it would be interesting. Now that I have Sabra's book, I can look in there as well, but I'm sure that if you put it on the SMD, it would be more compete. PLS let me know... Thanks SP  SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >> What they claimed could not be fixed but could be surgically >> remedied by stopping some mysterious disease from advancing any further [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Now that I have Sabra's book, I can look in there as well, but I'm sure > that if you put it on the SMD, it would be more compete. I am sure I have in days gone past but I did post a rather short description earlier today. Perhaps if you search for AGELK in SMD you will find it. > > Excellent! Did you describe the treatments you received on the SMD? If > > so I can search the archives to find that, as it would be interesting. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Perhaps if you search for AGELK in SMD you will find it. I saw what you posted today. I'll gooooogle groups on AGELK and see what pops out. IIRC, today, you posted the options and what the therapies were in list form. What I'm interested in mostly is what your friend did to palliate your situation w/o surgery. If you'd rather keep that to yourself, well, that's OK too. Thanks SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >> > Excellent! Did you describe the treatments you received on the SMD? If >> > so I can search the archives to find that, as it would be interesting. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > to palliate your situation w/o surgery. If you'd rather keep that to > yourself, well, that's OK too. Its not that I wish to keep it to myself, I am sure I can post something to give you some insight. But first I must go eat some enchiladas, can't write well when I am hungry. > Its not that I wish to keep it to myself, I am sure I can post something to > give you some insight. But first I must go eat some enchiladas, can't write > well when I am hungry. Well, you've got the ethnicity for reasonable enchiladas down there by the Pacific just above Mexico.... we don't got those things here.... we DO have nicer beer, though... SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet | > Its not that I wish to keep it to myself, I am sure I can post something to | > give you some insight. But first I must go eat some enchiladas, can't write [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | DO have nicer beer, though... | SP That new President's Choice Tortilla Lasagne ain't bad. Tried some this week. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply > | > Its not that I wish to keep it to myself, I am sure I can post something > | > to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > | SP > That new President's Choice Tortilla Lasagne ain't bad. Tried some this week. Roy ... when are you heading this way???? We can check out the island off the coast of LA if you like. I think the next smd 'get together' should be out this way! TW | Roy ... when are you heading this way???? We can check out the island | off the coast of LA if you like. | | I think the next smd 'get together' should be out this way! | | TW I'd love to step into the pacific one day. Did you say 5 hrs from Bullhead City? Roy > | Roy ... when are you heading this way???? We can check out the island > | off the coast of LA if you like. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Roy From my door to where you want to go: Total Est. Time: 5 hours, 18 minutes Total Est. Distance: 335.90 miles And I live very near the airport. TW :-) | "The Webby" wrote | [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | | And I live very near the airport. So am I, 5 miles door to door. If needed the same bus passes by both doors. -- Roy > | "The Webby" wrote > | [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Roy That could be useful!!! TW >> That new President's Choice Tortilla Lasagne ain't bad. Tried some this week. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >TW If ya'll start singing 'Kumbaya' something bad is apt to happen. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE > | > Its not that I wish to keep it to myself, I am sure I can post > | > something to give you some insight. But first I must go eat some [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > | SP > That new President's Choice Tortilla Lasagne ain't bad. Tried some this week. You DID eat it with 'nicer beer though...' DIDN'T YOU???????? ... ;-) SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet > > Its not that I wish to keep it to myself, I am sure I can post something to > > give you some insight. But first I must go eat some enchiladas, can't write [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > DO have nicer beer, though... > SP When you come this a-way, we'll take you out for the great enchiladas! The Mancusos had great Mexican food last Christmas Eve with us ... hmmmm, we had a great time! And back in 1997 (I think), Jim Boyd met up with Webby & Chang (you know who they are) at another of our local favorites at the coast ... and in 2000 (I think), W&C, Boyd, and Stradaioli (from Italy) along with his near perfect translation specialist (my darling friend), went to one of Boyd's favorite places next to the Pacific Ocean-front! Nosotros tiene muchos enchiladas bueonos aqui en esta ciudad! TW :-)))) > When you come this a-way, we'll take you out for the great enchiladas! > The Mancusos had great Mexican food last Christmas Eve with us ... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > TW :-)))) Good.... just like we tend to be proud of our beer and Maple Syrup and.... Peanut Butter! Thanks SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >Nosotros tiene muchos enchiladas bueonos aqui en esta ciudad! > >TW :-)))) Californication enchiladas es muy malo ! No bueno por nada. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >> Its not that I wish to keep it to myself, I am sure I can post something to >> give you some insight. But first I must go eat some enchiladas, can't write [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >DO have nicer beer, though... >SP Molson Golden ? Best enchiladas are in Mexico border towns. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE > Molson Golden ? ..... Ugh.... Mosquito piss....... Molson Export, Labatt 50 and Blue, there are others > Best enchiladas are in Mexico border towns. I believe that > -- > W_B > > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE Cheers SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >> > Excellent! Did you describe the treatments you received on the SMD? If >> > so I can search the archives to find that, as it would be interesting. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > yourself, well, that's OK too. > Thanks When I began using the agelk (good idea to at least go visit this http://www.studio-luksich.it/index1.htm ) I had suffered with a chronic condition that started out as "tmj" syndrome and ended up as a degenerative condition that according to the best surgeons in San Diego at the time, would require surgical intervention. I could go into all the previous care before starting with agelk but suffice it say it's long and probably would serve no purpose. I was fitted with the agelk by Dr. Giuseppie Stradioli after a week of him basically lecturing me, Sabra, and eventually Dr. Tanaka. It was decided that my best bet was to try the agelk, since I had everything to lose and nothing to gain by surgery. I wore the device 3x a day and did exercises with the device, protrusion, retrusion, lateral left, right, over and over for eventually 10 minutes at a time. When I began treatment I had about 5mm VO without pain, it wasn't even easy getting the upper and lower in, let alone doing the exercises, but i persisted and eventually worked my way up to 10 mins per session. I did this for a year, 7 days a week and never missed one session. Eventually I regained all my VO and as of today I have oh Im sure 45-50mm with no pain and no dysfunction. At the completion of one year Dr. Stradioli returned here to the USA and gave me a clean bill of health and pronounced me completely healed. It will be 4 years this New Years since I ended my treatment and I have had no relapse, no pain, I can eat normally, talk normally, and I have as normal jaw function as anyone else. I don't want to make this long and boring so I will cut it there and allow you to ask me some questions if you feel like it. Tim > It will be 4 years this New Years since I ended my > treatment and I have had no relapse, no pain, I can eat normally, talk > normally, and I have as normal jaw function as anyone else. > > I don't want to make this long and boring so I will cut it there and allow > you to ask me some questions if you feel like it. ..... Thanks, Tim. I'll go look at the site and I'll come back with some questions sometime later, if I may. I have a few patients about whom the OMFS's I refer to have said that there is no treatment possible. At least they're honest. This here agelk therapy may just be the ticket for one or two of them,... although, unlike you (accute accident---> chronic dysfunction and pain) most of these are psychologically challenged as well. Thanks for taking the time SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet | > It will be 4 years this New Years since I ended my | > treatment and I have had no relapse, no pain, I can eat normally, talk [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | Thanks for taking the time | SP SP - I've got a video on that too if you want to borrow it, compliments of a nice young lady up in T Bay. Also figured out how to McGuyver one up with parts we can get on this side of the pond. Roy > SP - I've got a video on that too if you want to borrow it, compliments of > a nice young lady up in T Bay. Also figured out how to McGuyver one up > with parts we can get on this side of the pond. > > Roy That might be useful. Thanks, Roy,,, I'll get back to you on that. 'Nite (finally... I'll let you put the SMD to bed...) SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet > > SP - I've got a video on that too if you want to borrow it, compliments of > > a nice young lady up in T Bay. Also figured out how to McGuyver one up [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 'Nite (finally... I'll let you put the SMD to bed...) > SP And we can always get in touch with Dr. Stradaioli if there are further questions. TW | > SP - I've got a video on that too if you want to borrow it, compliments of | > a nice young lady up in T Bay. Also figured out how to McGuyver one up [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | 'Nite (finally... I'll let you put the SMD to bed...) | SP From the looks of the posting times, I beat you to it. SignatureRoy > | > SP - I've got a video on that too if you want to borrow it, compliments of > | > a nice young lady up in T Bay. Also figured out how to McGuyver one up [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > From the looks of the posting times, I beat you to it. Who will put (the) smd to bed tonight? I'm planning on leaving it up to someone else because I am going to put my 'puter to sleep and go watch a movie tonight!!! What a place, this smd is! night all, TW :-) I have gotten together two people I originally met on the net. One lives about two hours from me, the other is in Massachusetts. We met at a IHOP and had a wonderful time. We also got to know a lot about each other via the phone and emails. I am still in contact with them and the one a few hours from me we talk on the phone about twice a month. The other is due back in Delray sometime this month so I am hoping to see her again this month if possible. Her mother lives near mine and know each other. I almost got together with two others but my crohn's got in the way and I couldn't leave the house to meet up with them. I don't do this a lot but when I do set things up, pictures are given so we know who we are looking for and we meet in a public place. I'd love to go to the UK and meet in person the people I know there and have spoken to on the phone. UM MOM Susan >> What difference does knowing a name mean? You still don't know anyone on >> the net unless you meet them in person! UM MOM Susan [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > TW > I have gotten together two people I originally met on the net. One lives > about two hours from me, the other is in Massachusetts. We met at a IHOP [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > person the people I know there and have spoken to on the phone. UM MOM > Susan People should be interesting in meeting others with whom they have something in common. Taking care to meet in appropriate settings is very important. I hope you make many more IRL friends from time spent online. Best wishes, TW > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-B5199C.08151318122004@orngca-news04.socal. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > TW Me too, thanks. UM MOM Susan >> I have gotten together two people I originally met on the net. One lives >> about two hours from me, the other is in Massachusetts. We met at a IHOP [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >> > >> > TW >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net >But thanks for the unkind words, it shows your true character. *It's a damn shame she didn't die* *Well said, mf., well said* *Salt Lake City Landfill* In your thoughts of the multiple births than why wouldn't the first born have more and then concentration be less with each birth? I have had hamsters since childhood and raised Russian dwarf's for a while and they always had multiple births, up to 12 at a time, and the closer to the runt the more trouble would occur. Most times the runt died or was killed by the others which usually means the animal had a problem to begin with. So it brings the questions, does disease/ chemicals in this case start at the beginning or get worse near the end of the litter? UM MOM Susan >> In above article, I read this: >> "In the case of pregnant women, mercury passes completely unhindered [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > potential for disruption of embryonic development far > creater than what is measured in the tissue. >Subject: Scientific Study-Vapors From Amalgams >From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) >Date: 12/17/2004 5:26 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <20041217202645.23255.00002024@mb-m03.aol.com> Back to the subject. >http://www.lichtenberg.dk/mercury_vapour_in_the_oral_cavit.htm |
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