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http://www.dailynewstranscript.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=46993 Walpole Mall dentist arraigned for fraud http://www.nbc10.com/news/3998453/detail.html Dentist Convicted In Ecstasy Bust Wants New Trial http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,12576,1374852,00.html Teeth on edge over Italian dentist scam The police have uncovered a ring selling dental qualifications, and yesterday the carabinieri were sifting through mounds of impounded documents, trying to get to the bottom of the scam. A degree cost ?200,000 (?138,000). http://www.theindychannel.com/news/4002389/detail.html Dentist Gets Prison Time For Growing Marijuana In Barn INDIANA? Is that why we haven't heard from Jan Drew? Joel ** Dentist Gets Prison Time For Growing Marijuana In Barn 51-Year-Old Also Must Pay $250 Fine POSTED: 10:29 am EST December 16, 2004 WINCHESTER, Ind. -- A dentist charged after state troopers found more than 200 marijuana plants growing in his barn was sentenced to five years in federal prison. Paul Steven Welch, 51, had been charged in U.S. District Court with manufacturing a controlled substance and unlawful possession of unregistered firearms. Welch (pictured, left) entered a guilty plea on Sept. 14 and was sentenced Friday, according to Claudia Cummings, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's office in Indianapolis. She said Wednesday that Welch was also fined $250. After he is released, he will be on probation for four years, she said. State police arrested Welch and his son, Alexander Welch, 18, on June 7, after they found the marijuana-growing operation on the Welches' rural property about 10 miles east of Muncie. Alexander Welch (pictured, right) pleaded guilty in Randolph Circuit Court to maintaining a common nuisance, and court records indicated he was placed on probation, The Star Press of Muncie reported. Paul Welch, who has a dental practice in Winchester, lived alone on the farm with his son, police said. Previous Stories: ** >http://www.dailynewstranscript.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=46993 > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Dentist Gets Prison Time For Growing Marijuana In Barn I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise the PHS report as proving that amalgams are safe, as a gross misrepresentation of the facts. People who rely on professionals to know their stuff, deserve better. Hi Judge Joel, You are representing the most prejudicial attitude I saw in a long time. Did you get that from being a judge during the witch- processes in a former life, or what? Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally spreading blatant lies. Hans ===== Dear Dr. Eichen, >> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to do >> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague dentists [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> and pregnant women.... these countries are banning the use of mercury >> amalgams. Refer your colleagues to WWW.TOXICTEETH.ORG, WWW.TESTFOUNDATION.ORG, >> WWW.IAOMT.ORG, http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/indexa.html, >> and give them the studies which show that dentists have the highest >> rate of suicide professionaly in this country. >> >> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or are >> you still reading comic books. === To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make a complete fool out of himself, Wrong again ! Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" ! If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again ! Cheers, Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >The readers will decide! Indeed ! The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what you thought that I said. Sofar you have not been able to point out anything, in spite of all your re-postings, to support what you claim I said. And I'm still waiting! Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >At least we settled ... I've been settling fine all along. I am waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right. Or to watch you trying to wiggle your way of this. So Joel, which one will it be? Joel wrote: >Hans said Dentatus should be inserted, preferably with tweezers Hans replied: >Not with one word did I reveal how I work with the Dentatus. Not >one single word! Neither did I mention the word "tweezers" ! Still waiting .... Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >Funny. Hans turning the circumstance around . . . . That was a nice attempt to wiggle. What's next? Sill waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right. Or to keep on watching you wiggle until you smoke yourself. Which one is next? Smoke or standard smokescreen? Hans Everything else here is Joel's attempts to make a huge smokescreen so no one will spot him in his attempts to pry his foot out of his mouth. Thats all there is >Nelson wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>don't have to read it. >>Other comments in text: Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile From: "Dr. Steve" smancus.takeout@home.msen.com Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <v7fo43feqokq88@corp.supernews.com> See Joel??? Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is interested in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the Eichen cross posting news. Wow. Hans! Long time no see. How are doing? This is quite an honor ........ Wait a minute, this sounds awfully familiar ..... Hans? Ha ..... n ......... s........ ?? JAN!! How could you IMPERSONATE Hans? Joel >I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise the >PHS report as [quoted text clipped - 149 lines] >in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the >Eichen cross posting news. As a non-professional, I get it already! You don't have to keep repeating and repeating. Plus, I have enjoyed Joel's posts. He has a good sense of humor and is also helpful. I know mercury isn't good for anyone but you go over the top with this already. Do you even check the dates of the abstracts you posts? If you want to really do some research, it was just released on the news the other day about mercury in shell fish and the danger of it. For the record, I do NOT have any mercury fillings. You turn people off with the types of post you continue to do and repeat. I haven't been here long and you come across as a troll with what you post. I am not trying to get into it with you, just want to bring this to your attentions. UM MOM Susan > I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise > the [quoted text clipped - 165 lines] > the > Eichen cross posting news. Susan, "As a non-professional, I get it already. You don't have to keep repeating and repeating." You will nevr break up a good match. This isn't like crohns, where my theory can get booted. Here, Mercury is the subject SMD thrives on. Regards Gail Gail mercury is with in the subject for this group, my problem is the constant repeats of the same things and some of the abstracts being so old, and I won't even get into how liar is getting old. You know how I feel about your theory so I won't go there. I will respond to your email as soon as I can. Glad you liked mine though! UM MOM Susan > Susan, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Regards > Gail >Gail mercury is with in the subject for this group, my problem is the >constant repeats of the same things and some of the abstracts being so old, >and I won't even get into how liar is getting old. The ones I like are Jan's research posts from 1923~ Joel > You know how I feel >about your theory so I won't go there. I will respond to your email as soon [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> Regards >> Gail >As a non-professional, I get it already! You don't have to keep repeating >and repeating. Plus, I have enjoyed Joel's posts. He has a good sense of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >trying to get into it with you, just want to bring this to your attentions. >UM MOM Susan Good post! Well said. Joel >> I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise >> the [quoted text clipped - 165 lines] >> the >> Eichen cross posting news. >As a non-professional, I get it already! You don't have to keep repeating >and repeating. Plus, I have enjoyed Joel's posts. He has a good sense of >humor and is also helpful. Thanks. And all in the profession agree that composite looks better and is a better choice. Jan beats up on us because we are not claiming that amalgam causes Alzheimer's, peripheral neuropathy, senility, and underarm odor. Sorry, but it doesn't. Joel > I know mercury isn't good for anyone but you go >over the top with this already. Do you even check the dates of the [quoted text clipped - 175 lines] >> the >> Eichen cross posting news. >As a non-professional, I get it already! You don't have to keep repeating >and repeating. Plus, I have enjoyed Joel's posts. He has a good sense of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >trying to get into it with you, just want to bring this to your attentions. >UM MOM Susan Don't let Jan get to you, and don't be fooled into thinking you can change her. We've already tried. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >>As a non-professional, I get it already! You don't have to keep repeating >>and repeating. Plus, I have enjoyed Joel's posts. He has a good sense of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Don't let Jan get to you, and don't be fooled into thinking you can >change her. We've already tried. Interestingly, you cannot even have a civil discussion with her no matter how kind and patient you try to be. If you have ever disagreed with anything she has ever said on any NG, she will not participate in a civil adult discussion. She will only paste in other people's remarks (without giving them any credit for saying it) and be very insulting. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. >Re: Dentists being bad >From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com See Joel??? Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is interested in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the Eichen cross posting news. >>Re: Dentists being bad >>From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the >Eichen cross posting news. What Jan? You haven't checked the statistics lately! Joel >>>Re: Dentists being bad >>>From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Joel Here ya go Jan and others. The 2004 figures only include up until 12/18/2004 at 7:00a. Joel http://tinypic.com/xeih0 Anyone besides me notice how pleasant this NG was for the past few day? Wonder why? .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. >Anyone besides me notice how pleasant this NG was for the past few >day? Wonder why? I noticed as well. Joel >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. >Troy, Michigan, USA > >Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. > Anyone besides me notice how pleasant this NG was for the past few > day? Wonder why? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. I noticed. TW > > Anyone besides me notice how pleasant this NG was for the past few > > day? Wonder why? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > TW SSSHHHHHHHH !!!!!! <<don't even THINK about....>> SP  SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >Anyone besides me notice how pleasant this NG was for the past few >day? Wonder why? >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. It's no wonder, it is the moratorium. Except for JME, of course. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >>Anyone besides me notice how pleasant this NG was for the past few >>day? Wonder why? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Except for JME, of course. What moratorium? >From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net >f you want to really do some research, it was just released on the news the other day about mercury in shell fish and the >danger of it. Mercury amalgams are the number one source of mercury in people. IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH! NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of metalin the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol. I did, it saved my life .Mercury is Poisonous.There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together. U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.Mercury is also recovered from discarded products and wastes such aschlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams, fluorescent light tubes, electronicdevices, and others. The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected bycondensation. Condensed mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.* The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount ofmercury in the environment http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm 17. DENTAL AMALGAMDental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPAregulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal Form for its disposal. Jan I read this before from you and I told you I don't have any mercury fillings, I barely have any teeth now due to my crohn's and bleeding in 2000 and surgeries. And shell fish have more of a danger to people, esp. children and pregnant woman than does fillings. You like to post the same things but don't hear what others say to you. What a shame! UM MOM Susan > >From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Jan Disregard Jan. She is going into religious mode. Joel >I read this before from you and I told you I don't have any mercury >fillings, I barely have any teeth now due to my crohn's and bleeding in 2000 [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> >> Jan >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >and surgeries. And shell fish have more of a danger to people, esp. >children and pregnant woman than does fillings. Wrong. http://www.health.gov/environment/amalgam2/National.html http://www.altcorp.com/dentalinformation/worldwidehg.htm From the Sho Source Average Human Daily Dose of MercuryDental Amalgam 3.0 - 17.0 ug/day (hgvapor) Fish and Seafood 2.3 ug/day (methylmercury)Other Food 0.3 ug/day (inorganichg)Air &Water Negligible traces(World Health Organization, Environmental Health Criteria 118: InorganicMercury, Geneva, 1991.) Look at the dates!!! New info was just released this year, 2004! UM MOM Susan > >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > 118: > InorganicMercury, Geneva, 1991.) >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Look at the dates!!! New info was just released this year, 2004! UM MOM >Susan Do post it. This is your gig, find it for yourself. I have other things to deal with and mercury isn't my problem. You seem to like to research,so look it up. It was on MSNBC or CNN I believe which means you should be able to find the info at www.fda.org I would think since we are talking foods. UM MOM Susan > >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Do post it. >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net >Date: 12/17/2004 6:14 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <xjMwd.9239$Z27.7539@bignews5.bellsouth.net> > >This is your gig, find it for yourself. Wrong, YOU made the claim, YOU prove it. >I have other things to deal with >and mercury isn't my problem. You seem to like to research,so look it up. >It was on MSNBC or CNN I believe which means you should be able to find the >info at www.fda.org I would think since we are talking foods I am well aware of the fish warnings. My point was: Mercury from amalgams is the number one source of mercury in people. You also stated: And shell fish have more of a danger to people, esp. children and pregnant woman than does fillings. That is incorrect. Jan I gave you the link so chill out! You're the one posting old stuff about mercury in the teeth. I also believe this is not healthy, but I don't want to get into this with you because no matter what I say, you are right and I am wrong. I am done with this. UM MOM Susan > >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Jan >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net >Date: 12/17/2004 6:47 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <1PMwd.9242$Z27.2418@bignews5.bellsouth.net> > >I gave you the link so chill out! You sound angry. > You're the one posting old stuff about >mercury in the teeth. The word *old* is an excuse. I am posting studies of the dangers of mercury amalgams. > I also believe this is not healthy, but I don't want to get into this with you Fine. You first post was insulting. I'm not interested in that. I am intested in all those who are STILL searching for their *unanswered* health problem, and STILL suffering not thinking to check the teeth. *I* was one of them, I nearly died, now I have helped others and will continue. I also will correct statments that are incorrect. <more insults snipped> Jan >>Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >You sound angry. REPLY As is everyone who tries to converse with Jan! Jan, ask yourself this: How come so many discussions go on with the exchange of ideas and information without all the nastiness? Joel >> You're the one posting old stuff about >>mercury in the teeth. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Jan I'm not angry at all, just trying, as you, to make a point, that constantly repeating things and posting old info that can be outdated by now is silly. With Crohn's, new info becomes available and usually can change the info of the old . My dentists has changed his ways in a different things from what he did for me say 4 years ago or so. Things change, that is what science is about, learning and sometimes change. UM MOM Susan > >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Jan Jan posts new information from 1923. Joel >I'm not angry at all, just trying, as you, to make a point, that constantly >repeating things and posting old info that can be outdated by now is silly. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >> >> Jan >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I'm not angry at all, just trying, as you, to make a point, that constantly >repeating things and posting old info that can be outdated by now is silly. I have posted nothing outdated. I have posted the scientific FACTS of the dangers of amalgams. Jan >>Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I have posted nothing outdated. There's 1923 and then there's Dr. Semmelweiss..... 1818-1865 Hungarian physician who decided that doctors in Vienna hospitals were spreading childbed fever while delivering babies. He started forcing doctors under his supervision to wash their hands before touching patients. The doctors objected, however, and stopped washing despite the decrease in cases. Incidences of the disease skyrocketed, and it was not until Lister that doctors began routinely using antiseptics. © Eric W. Weisstein Anything else new Jan? >I have posted the scientific FACTS of the dangers of amalgams. > >Jan And there is an iatroepidemic!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But ... oh well. The Webby > >>Subject: Re: Dentists being bad > >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > >Jan >And there is an iatroepidemic!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But ... oh well. > >The Webby EACH poster has informed us about problems in our dental DELIVERY SYSYEM. This includes Webby, Keri, and Jan. There is much to be learned about all three topics. ALL VALUABLE. Joel >> >>Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >> >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> > >> >Jan >>Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I have posted nothing outdated. True, 1923 was right around the corner ..... >I have posted the scientific FACTS of the dangers of amalgams. > >Jan >>Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Wrong, YOU made the claim, YOU prove it. REPLY Jan, why are you saying dates are high in fluoride? Joel >>I have other things to deal with >>and mercury isn't my problem. You seem to like to research,so look it up. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Jan >This is your gig, find it for yourself. I love your answer! EXACTLY. Jan posts her crap and then asks YOU to find it! Joel > I have other things to deal with >and mercury isn't my problem. You seem to like to research,so look it up. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> Do post it. http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/seafood1.html To save you time, here it is, scroll down to the mercury part. UM MOM Susan > >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Do post it. >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/seafood1.html To save you time, here it is, scroll >down to the mercury part I have already read that. You stated: Look at the dates!!! New info was just released this year To my post: http://www.health.gov/environment/amalgam2/National.html http://www.altcorp.com/dentalinformation/worldwidehg.htm From the Who Source Average Human Daily Dose of MercuryDental Amalgam 3.0 - 17.0 ug/day (hgvapor) Fish and Seafood 2.3 ug/day (methylmercury)Other Food 0.3 ug/day (inorganichg)Air &Water Negligible traces(World Health Organization, Environmental Health Criteria 118: InorganicMercury, Geneva, 1991.) I was correcting your statement: And shell fish have more of a danger to people, esp. >children and pregnant woman than does fillings. That's incorrect. Jan Dates are high in fluoride? What's a person to eat? Joel >Look at the dates!!! New info was just released this year, 2004! UM MOM >Susan [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> 118: >> InorganicMercury, Geneva, 1991.) Jan being unfrugal, being unhealthful, and anti-DENTITE! sci.med.dentistry, misc.consumers.frugal-living, misc.health.alternative So Jan, You are now claiming that eating seafood every day is no problem? Where did you get this? Joel >>Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Negligible traces(World Health Organization, Environmental Health Criteria 118: >InorganicMercury, Geneva, 1991.) >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Mercury amalgams are the number one source of mercury in people. And the number one source of complainers complaining about everything but the 6,000 tons of mercury emitting from a weekend's worth of forest fires! Joel >IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH! CHECK!!!!!!! the TEETH!!!???????? How so? I thought you yank them when they need root canal therapy. Poison again! >NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of >metalin the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol. No such thing as an alt.dentist. >I did, it saved my life YUP. >.Mercury is Poisonous.There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.The >mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the other [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Jan >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >As a non-professional, I get it already! You don't have to keep repeating >and repeating. Google search Joel Eichen Jan Drew 4,100 Joel Eichen Jan 13,300 Joel Eichen Janster 438 Joel Eichen Janny 17 Joel Eichen JanBrewski 478 Joel Eichen Drewster 37 Joel Eichen Jannypoo 86 Joel Eichen JanDrew 481 jdrew63...@yahoo.com (impersonation) 410 Janie 14 Brewski 48 Jan Brewski On Anal Sex 12 Jan coffee enemas 145 Web Results 1 - 10 of about 134 for joel eichen DE NILE. (0.29 seconds) Web Results 1 - 10 of about 199 for joel eichen break dance. (0.40 seconds) >Plus, I have enjoyed Joel's posts. He has a good sense of >humor and is also helpful. >> Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally >> spreading blatant lies. > If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only >> conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again ! Frankly, you're an embarrassment to your profession and a danger to > the public PLONK! UM MOM Susan > >Subject: Re: Dentists being bad >>From: "Sdores" sdores@bellsouth.net [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Frankly, you're an embarrassment to your profession and a danger to >> the public |
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