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Joel M. Eichen - 14 Dec 2004 14:20 GMT No, we are not talking partial dentures here. I cam across this in my morning Inquirer and I vaguely recall some discussion on this board.
Maybe yes, maybe no.
Joel
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Posted on Tue, Dec. 14, 2004
Intelligent design edict is subject of ACLU suit
By Martha Raffaele
Associated Press
HARRISBURG - The state American Civil Liberties Union plans to file a federal lawsuit today against a school district that is requiring students to learn about alternatives to the theory of evolution.
The ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State have scheduled an afternoon news conference to discuss the lawsuit against the Dover Area School District, which will be filed in U.S. District Court in Harrisburg, ACLU spokesman Paul Silva said yesterday.
Spokesmen for the two organizations would not comment on specifics of the complaint.
The Dover school board voted 6-3 on Oct. 18 to mandate the teaching of "intelligent design," which holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by some higher power. The district is believed to be the first in the nation to adopt such a policy.
Dover schools Superintendent Richard Nilsen had no comment yesterday. Administrators have declined to comment on the mandate, which applies to ninth-grade biology classes at Dover High School.
Neither school board president Sheila Harkin nor school board member William Buckingham, who spearheaded the change as the leader of the board's curriculum committee, returned calls seeking comment.
Buckingham has said previously that he proposed the change as a way of balancing evolution with competing theories that raised questions about its scientific validity.
District officials said they would monitor the lessons "to make sure no one is promoting but also not inhibiting religion."
Dr Steve - 14 Dec 2004 14:28 GMT As soon as you let religion creep into any public schools, you have huge problems. There are too many different religions with too many different views of the universe. Public school should teach with *zero* religious background to all topics. Every child should have the freedom to learn whatever religion (from their approved church) that they wish as well. But, the two should remain separate. The public school system should teach tolerance of religious views and should inform that there are various religious views on each topic. But, leave the specific supernatural teachings to each church. The Buddhists, the Taoists, the Islamic, the Confususists should all get fair treatment. As should any family which chooses not to follow any organized religious sect.
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> No, we are not talking partial dentures here. I cam across this in my > morning Inquirer and I vaguely recall some discussion on this board. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > District officials said they would monitor the lessons "to make sure > no one is promoting but also not inhibiting religion." Joel M. Eichen - 14 Dec 2004 14:44 GMT >As soon as you let religion creep into any public schools, you have huge >problems. There are too many different religions with too many different >views of the universe. Maybe a little background material, simply as ......
Here is what some people believe ....... etc.
Joel
> Public school should teach with *zero* religious >background to all topics. Every child should have the freedom to learn [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Confususists should all get fair treatment. As should any family which >chooses not to follow any organized religious sect. Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 15:00 GMT > As soon as you let religion creep into any public schools, you have huge > problems. There are too many different religions with too many different [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Islamic, the Confususists should all get fair treatment. As should any > family which chooses not to follow any organized religious sect. I agree to some extent with Dr. Steve but we should also not teach what we can't prove as science, i.e., evolution. So I believe if we are to teach evolution, we should also teach creation. Ever wonder why they won't take evolution out of the text books?
Joel M. Eichen - 14 Dec 2004 15:12 GMT >I agree to some extent with Dr. Steve but we should also not teach what we >can't prove as science, i.e., evolution. So I believe if we are to teach >evolution, we should also teach creation. Ever wonder why they won't take >evolution out of the text books? That's a tough one Tim. After all cosmology is "taught" without any proof.
Strange as it may seem, "In The Beginning," (of cosmology) in the intial moments before one second time ten to the minus 35th power, the laws of physics did not hold as we know them.
Joel
Steven Hawking uses the phrase, "Point of Singularity" to avoid any religious connotations ... but the meaning is the same of course.
Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 15:17 GMT >>I agree to some extent with Dr. Steve but we should also not teach what we >>can't prove as science, i.e., evolution. So I believe if we are to teach [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Steven Hawking uses the phrase, "Point of Singularity" to avoid any > religious connotations ... but the meaning is the same of course. Good one Joel!
The Webby - 14 Dec 2004 15:14 GMT > > As soon as you let religion creep into any public schools, you have huge > > problems. There are too many different religions with too many different [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > evolution, we should also teach creation. Ever wonder why they won't take > evolution out of the text books? This is why many people do not discuss politics or religion together.
TW
Joel M. Eichen - 14 Dec 2004 15:19 GMT >> I agree to some extent with Dr. Steve but we should also not teach what we >> can't prove as science, i.e., evolution. So I believe if we are to teach [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >TW Or if they do, and if they then go out for an expresso together, then after the expresso is served, neither one will go to the bathroom and leave their cup unattended.
Joel
The Webby - 14 Dec 2004 15:28 GMT > >> I agree to some extent with Dr. Steve but we should also not teach what we > >> can't prove as science, i.e., evolution. So I believe if we are to teach [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Joel The making of holy war.
TW
Joel M. Eichen - 14 Dec 2004 16:38 GMT >> >> I agree to some extent with Dr. Steve but we should also not teach what we >> >> can't prove as science, i.e., evolution. So I believe if we are to teach [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >The making of holy war. This guy should be reading SMD ... lots of good information here!
Joel
Posted on Sat, Dec. 11, 2004 I M A G E S A N D R E L A T E D C O N T E N T This combination photo depicts Viktor Yushchenko, Ukraine's opposition leader and top presidential candidate, before and after his mysterious illness. On the left, Yushchenko is seen after he submitted his candidacy papers in the Ukrainian capital of Kiev on July 4, 2004. On the right, Yushchenko, with his face disfigured by illness, is seen answering media question in Kiev Friday, Dec. 10, 2004. Efrem Lukatsky, AP R E L A T E D L I N K S Poisoning doesn't surprise Yushchenko fans Doctor: Yushchenko poisoned with dioxin What are dioxins and what is their affect?
Doctor: Yushchenko Poisoned With Dioxin
SUSANNA LOOF
Associated Press
VIENNA, Austria - Ukrainian presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned with dioxin, doctors said Saturday, adding that the highly toxic chemical could have been put in the opposition leader's soup, producing the severe disfigurement and partial paralysis of his face.
Yushchenko was in satisfactory condition and was expected to be released from Vienna's private Rudolfinerhaus clinic Sunday or Monday to return to the campaign trail in Ukraine, said hospital director Dr. Michael Zimpfer.
Yushchenko, who faces Viktor Yanukovych in a rerun of a disputed presidential runoff on Dec. 26, has claimed that he was poisoned by Ukrainian authorities, who deny the charges. His supporters at home expressed little surprise over the doctors' conclusion.
"Everybody knew he was poisoned so we didn't really need official tests," said Anatoly Klotchyk, 19, standing in the sleet outside his tent near Kiev's Independence Square, where supporters have conducted a blockaded of government buildings since the dispute flared, grabbing international attention after the runoff last month.
Campaigners for his opponent, Viktor Yanukovych, meanwhile, again rejected suggestions that the prime minister was involved in the poisoning.
There is "no logic in such an accusation," said Taras Chornovyl, Yanukovych's campaign manager.
Yanukovych was declared the winner of the Nov. 21 presidential runoff, but the results were annulled by the Ukrainian Supreme Court, which cited massive fraud and ordered a new vote.
Yushchenko fell ill in early September and had been treated at the Vienna clinic twice before. But it was the tests run since he checked in Friday night that provided conclusive evidence of the poisoning, Zimpfer said.
The 50-year-old politician also has suffered from back pain and acute pancreatitis.
"There is no doubt about the fact that Mr. Yushchenko's disease - especially following the results of the blood work - has been caused by a case of poisoning by dioxin," Zimpfer said.
"We suspect involvement of an external party, but we cannot answer as to who cooked what or who was with him while he ate," Zimpfer said, adding that tests showed the dioxin was taken orally.
Zimpfer said Yushchenko's blood and tissue registered concentrations of dioxin - one of the most toxic chemicals - that were 1,000 times above normal levels.
"It would be quite easy to administer this amount in a soup," Zimpfer said.
The substance containing the dioxin would most likely have been consumed the day Yushchenko fell ill, as dioxin is rapidly absorbed, Zimpfer said.
"This substance led to quite a significant increase in the (dioxin) level within just a few hours and this intake then led to the quite devastating effects that we have seen," he said. "The substance started to wreak havoc in the body."
A parliamentary commission that investigated Yushchenko's mysterious illness in October said he complained of pains after meeting with Ihor Smeshko, the head of Ukraine's Secret Service, but it lists other places he ate or drank that day. Smeshko promised the secret service would investigate.
The massive quantities of dioxin in Yushchenko's system caused chloracne, a type of adult acne produced by exposure to toxic chemicals that left his once-handsome face badly disfigured, hospital dermatologist Hubert Pehmberger told The Associated Press.
Chloracne can take up to two to three years to heal, but Dr. Nikolai Korpan, the physician who oversaw the Ukrainian politician's treatment, said Yushchenko is "fully capable of working."
Unlike earlier blood tests, the latest were sent to a laboratory in Amsterdam that uses a new analysis method that could test it for dioxin, Korpan said.
When first seen by the Austrian doctors Sept. 10, Yushchenko was in a critical stage but was "not on the verge of dying," Zimpfer said.
"If this dose had been higher, it may have caused death," he said.
Dioxin - a contaminant found in Agent Orange - is a byproduct of industrial processes such as waste incineration and chemical and pesticide manufacturing.
It is a normal contaminant in many foods, but a single high dose, usually in food, can trigger illness, London-based toxicologist John Henry said last month.
"We've never had a case like this - a known case of large, severe dioxin poisoning," Henry said, leaving it unclear whether the dosage of dioxin administered to Yushchenko was meant only to make him ill or to kill him.
Tension in Ukraine's political crisis has abated with parliament's adoption of the electoral changes aimed at preventing fraud in return for handing over some presidential powers to the parliament.
Yushchenko wants to move his former Soviet republic closer to the West politically and is largely backed by the Ukrainian-speakers who want to end what they say has been mass corruption during the previous decade. The pro-Kremlin Yanukovych, who had the backing of outgoing President Leonid Kuchma and Russian leader Vladimir Putin, draws his strength from the Russian-speaking, industrial east, which accounts 'for one-sixth of Ukraine's population of 48 million.
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>TW Adenosine - 14 Dec 2004 17:08 GMT >> >> I agree to some extent with Dr. Steve but we should also not teach what we >> >> can't prove as science, i.e., evolution. So I believe if we are to teach [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >TW No, vi vs emacs is a holy war. Evolution vs strict interpetation of the Bible is just a minor argument.
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Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 15:21 GMT >> > As soon as you let religion creep into any public schools, you have >> > huge [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > This is why many people do not discuss politics or religion together. It may be why, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't.
The Webby - 14 Dec 2004 15:30 GMT > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-01180D.07145014122004@orngca-news04.socal. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > It may be why, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't. If one believes there is only one way to believe and the other simply doesn't care what anyone else believes, there is little reason to have chat about it. TW
Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 15:34 GMT >> "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-01180D.07145014122004@orngca-news04.socal. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > chat about it. > TW Oh I agree about that for sure.
W_B - 15 Dec 2004 19:07 GMT >> This is why many people do not discuss politics or religion together. > >It may be why, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't. I don't discuss money. --
W_B
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The Webby - 15 Dec 2004 19:10 GMT > >> This is why many people do not discuss politics or religion together. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I agree with that too!
TW
Adenosine - 15 Dec 2004 19:18 GMT >>> This is why many people do not discuss politics or religion together. >> >>It may be why, but it doesn't mean they shouldn't. > >I don't discuss money. Bah!
Where's the fun on the Internet without barging into what will obviously start a flame war?
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W_B - 15 Dec 2004 22:24 GMT >>I don't discuss money. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >-- >Adenosine I don't mind talking about your money.
Just not gonna discuss mine. --
W_B
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Adenosine - 15 Dec 2004 22:40 GMT >>>I don't discuss money. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Just not gonna discuss mine. Talk about my money? You can't discuss that which doesn't exist.
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W_B - 15 Dec 2004 22:58 GMT >>>>I don't discuss money. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Talk about my money? You can't discuss that which doesn't exist. Better be careful with Print Shop then. --
W_B
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carabelli - 15 Dec 2004 23:17 GMT >>>I don't discuss money. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > W_B Fair enough - I won't bring it up.
Can we talk about your salary though?
carabelli
Adenosine - 14 Dec 2004 16:16 GMT >> As soon as you let religion creep into any public schools, you have huge >> problems. There are too many different religions with too many different [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I agree to some extent with Dr. Steve but we should also not teach what we >can't prove as science, i.e., evolution. Huh? Evolution is falsifiable. It seems perfectly scientific to me. It also is backed up by a huge volume of evidence.
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Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 16:19 GMT >>> As soon as you let religion creep into any public schools, you have huge >>> problems. There are too many different religions with too many [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Huh? Evolution is falsifiable. It seems perfectly scientific to me. It > also is backed up by a huge volume of evidence. There isn't enough time in the day for either of us to adequately discuss both sides, there isn't enough time in a week, or a month or a year. So lets just agree to disagree.
Adenosine - 14 Dec 2004 16:21 GMT >>>> As soon as you let religion creep into any public schools, you have huge >>>> problems. There are too many different religions with too many [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >both sides, there isn't enough time in a week, or a month or a year. So >lets just agree to disagree. Well, you have to agree it's falsifiable! There are a huge number of things that could prove evolution is wrong. Fossils showing up in the wrong places... other stuff that's it's too morning to me to think of.
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Joel M. Eichen - 14 Dec 2004 16:39 GMT >>I agree to some extent with Dr. Steve but we should also not teach what we >>can't prove as science, i.e., evolution. > >Huh? Evolution is falsifiable. It seems perfectly scientific to me. It >also is backed up by a huge volume of evidence. YUP, God, he been sneaking those fossils under rocks just to confound the scienitists .....
Joel
>-- >Adenosine >Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? W_B - 15 Dec 2004 19:22 GMT >Huh? Evolution is falsifiable. It seems perfectly scientific to me. It >>also is backed up by a huge volume of evidence. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Joel He had to give paleontologists something to do. --
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Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 14:57 GMT > No, we are not talking partial dentures here. I cam across this in my > morning Inquirer and I vaguely recall some discussion on this board. [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > District officials said they would monitor the lessons "to make sure > no one is promoting but also not inhibiting religion." I only have a few comments about this. We have enjoyed the hand of protection of God since the founding of this country and I fear that if we continue down this path of removing God from everything we say, think, teach, do, He may very well remove His protection we have been lavished with. Its the enemy of God that promotes this stuff and to that end will be God's wrath. God is Pure & Holy and Just and because He is just, sooner or later he must pass judgement on those who oppress His people. I would not want to be an ACLU lawyer on Judgement day.. I already smell the sulphur.
Tony Bad - 14 Dec 2004 15:06 GMT > I only have a few comments about this. We have enjoyed the hand of > protection of God since the founding of this country and I fear that if we [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > later he must pass judgement on those who oppress His people. I would not > want to be an ACLU lawyer on Judgement day.. I already smell the sulphur. Forgive me if I am wrong, but given your past posting history, this sudden upswing in fundamentalist religious posting paints of image you as the cat and SMD as your little ball of cat-nip impregnated yarn.
T
Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 15:19 GMT >> I only have a few comments about this. We have enjoyed the hand of >> protection of God since the founding of this country and I fear that if [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and > SMD as your little ball of cat-nip impregnated yarn. I forgive you because you are wrong. I didn't post the thread, Joel did. I merely added comment unless you are suggesting Joel and I are in cahoots/.
Tony Bad - 14 Dec 2004 15:19 GMT > > Forgive me if I am wrong, but given your past posting history, this sudden > > upswing in fundamentalist religious posting paints of image you as the cat [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I forgive you because you are wrong. I didn't post the thread, Joel did. I > merely added comment unless you are suggesting Joel and I are in cahoots/. Okay, asked and answered...not suggesting anything other than what I wrote.
T
Joel M. Eichen - 14 Dec 2004 15:24 GMT >I forgive you because you are wrong. I didn't post the thread, Joel did. I >merely added comment unless you are suggesting Joel and I are in cahoots/. We are in cahoots. We both like Bob Dylan!
Joel
Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 15:28 GMT >>I forgive you because you are wrong. I didn't post the thread, Joel did. >>I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Joel Thats for sure!!!!!!!!!!!
The Webby - 14 Dec 2004 15:11 GMT > I only have a few comments about this. We have enjoyed the hand of > protection of God since the founding of this country and I fear that if we [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > later he must pass judgement on those who oppress His people. I would not > want to be an ACLU lawyer on Judgement day.. I already smell the sulphur. Clearly, we disagree. TW
Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 15:20 GMT >> I only have a few comments about this. We have enjoyed the hand of >> protection of God since the founding of this country and I fear that if [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Clearly, we disagree. > TW On what may I ask?
Joel M. Eichen - 14 Dec 2004 15:15 GMT >I only have a few comments about this. We have enjoyed the hand of >protection of God since the founding of this country and I fear that if we [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >later he must pass judgement on those who oppress His people. I would not >want to be an ACLU lawyer on Judgement day.. I already smell the sulphur. Cosmic Consciousness, Point of Singularity, whatever.
As long as we are inclusive, I like it. When we begin to "exclude" then there is a problem.
Joel
An interesting thought is that the "enemies of God" are also created by God of course. So in their eyes, we are the enemies of God.
Gets complicated.
Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 15:23 GMT >>I only have a few comments about this. We have enjoyed the hand of >>protection of God since the founding of this country and I fear that if we [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Gets complicated. It sure does.
Adenosine - 14 Dec 2004 16:15 GMT Things which are not falsifiable should not be taught in public schools. They aren't part of science, and shouldn't pretend to be.
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Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 16:20 GMT > Things which are not falsifiable should not be taught in public > schools. They aren't part of science, and shouldn't pretend to be. Exactly, like dogs becoming dolphins.. Webby use to swim with the dolphins when we were younger and they didn't look much like dogs with flippers then either...
Adenosine - 14 Dec 2004 16:22 GMT >> Things which are not falsifiable should not be taught in public >> schools. They aren't part of science, and shouldn't pretend to be. > >Exactly, like dogs becoming dolphins.. Webby use to swim with the dolphins >when we were younger and they didn't look much like dogs with flippers then >either... Dogs and dolphins are completely different evolutionary liniages, nobody would suggest that one would become the other.
Don't build up false straw men to knock them down.
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Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 16:25 GMT >>> Things which are not falsifiable should not be taught in public >>> schools. They aren't part of science, and shouldn't pretend to be. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don't build up false straw men to knock them down. Oh but it has been suggested, in fact it's been taught.
But as I said I am not going to argue this topic here and now because I don't have the time.
Adenosine - 14 Dec 2004 16:32 GMT >>>> Things which are not falsifiable should not be taught in public >>>> schools. They aren't part of science, and shouldn't pretend to be. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >But as I said I am not going to argue this topic here and now because I >don't have the time. But... that... hasn't been taught.
Don't you see the difference between early mammals giving rise to a large number of different mammals, and one specialized mammal becoming another specialized mammal?
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Tim Dixon - 14 Dec 2004 16:38 GMT >>>>> Things which are not falsifiable should not be taught in public >>>>> schools. They aren't part of science, and shouldn't pretend to be. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > large number of different mammals, and one specialized mammal becoming > another specialized mammal? Herein lies the problem. This is why I am not going to discuss this any further because I don't have the time to search out reference material and I already said I don't have the time to discuss this. OK?
Joel M. Eichen - 14 Dec 2004 16:52 GMT >> Don't you see the difference between early mammals giving rise to a >> large number of different mammals, and one specialized mammal becoming >> another specialized mammal? All mammals, all creatures are specialized.
A cockroach cannot read or write (we presume) but they have been around 400 million years already.
Joel
carabelli - 14 Dec 2004 18:34 GMT "Joel M. Eichen" ......
> A cockroach cannot read or write (we presume) but they have been > around 400 million years already. > > Joel Public schools are not in the thread title - please stay on topic.
carabelli
W_B - 15 Dec 2004 19:26 GMT >"Joel M. Eichen" ...... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >carabelli --
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carabelli - 15 Dec 2004 19:28 GMT > >"Joel M. Eichen" ...... > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > W_B Much better, thank you.
carabelli
The Webby - 15 Dec 2004 19:34 GMT In article <Jf0wd.1099724$Gx4.693013@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:34:04 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > carabelli And thanks, W_B, for wrangling the grapes too!!
The Webby - 14 Dec 2004 17:01 GMT > >>>>> Things which are not falsifiable should not be taught in public > >>>>> schools. They aren't part of science, and shouldn't pretend to be. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > further because I don't have the time to search out reference material and I > already said I don't have the time to discuss this. OK? Besides, the *study* of religion is completely off topic. These posts are not the equivalent of "Happy Thanksgiving, USA" or "Happy Thanksgiving, Canada". These posts serve to persuade that one religion is more correct than another.
That is not the same as talking *about* religion.
TW
Joel M. Eichen - 14 Dec 2004 16:42 GMT >> Dogs and dolphins are completely different evolutionary liniages, >> nobody would suggest that one would become the other. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >But as I said I am not going to argue this topic here and now because I >don't have the time. Q.
Did you bring up the dolphins "on porpoise?"
Joel
Adenosine - 14 Dec 2004 17:04 GMT >>> Dogs and dolphins are completely different evolutionary liniages, >>> nobody would suggest that one would become the other. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Joel *groan*
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W_B - 15 Dec 2004 19:23 GMT >Q. > >Did you bring up the dolphins "on porpoise?" > >Joel Ouch, too pfunny. --
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The Webby - 14 Dec 2004 16:56 GMT > >> Things which are not falsifiable should not be taught in public > >> schools. They aren't part of science, and shouldn't pretend to be. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Please leave me out of this sort of debate. Thanks.
TW
W_B - 15 Dec 2004 19:21 GMT >>Exactly, like dogs becoming dolphins.. Webby use to swim with the dolphins >>when we were younger and they didn't look much like dogs with flippers then [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >-- >Adenosine If men evolved from apes, why do we still have apes ?
Why do we park on the driveway and drive on the parkway ? --
W_B
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Adenosine - 15 Dec 2004 19:23 GMT >>>Exactly, like dogs becoming dolphins.. Webby use to swim with the dolphins >>>when we were younger and they didn't look much like dogs with flippers then [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >If men evolved from apes, why do we still have apes ? Cuz humans like me suck at living in the jungle.
>Why do we park on the driveway and drive on the parkway ? Zen Koans? Come to think of it, I don't know the stance on creation of Buddhists.
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Joel M. Eichen - 15 Dec 2004 19:53 GMT >>>Exactly, like dogs becoming dolphins.. Webby use to swim with the dolphins >>>when we were younger and they didn't look much like dogs with flippers then [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Why do we park on the driveway and drive on the parkway ? I had been wondering that .....
and ....
Why do we still call it a "building" after its already built?
Joel
CWatters - 14 Dec 2004 22:43 GMT > HARRISBURG - The state American Civil Liberties Union plans to file a > federal lawsuit today against a school district that is requiring > students to learn about alternatives to the theory of evolution. I believe in the theory of evolution BUT I think it's essential kids are taught about other peoples points of view. Equally I believe children should be taught about all the major religions of the world. There is a big difference between telling children that God created the world in 7 days and telling them that many people believe thats how it happened. Remember schools are not there to teach children what to think but HOW to think for themselves.
Dr Steve - 15 Dec 2004 00:32 GMT well said
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> > > HARRISBURG - The state American Civil Liberties Union plans to file a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > schools are not there to teach children what to think but HOW to think for > themselves. CWatters - 15 Dec 2004 16:43 GMT I forgot to add that my Religious Education teacher (30 years ago now) refused to tell us his own religion on the grounds that that might bias us to his particular point of view.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 15 Dec 2004 17:09 GMT > I forgot to add that my Religious Education teacher (30 years ago now) > refused to tell us his own religion on the grounds that that might bias us > to his particular point of view. That's pretty funny.
Steve
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Joel M. Eichen - 15 Dec 2004 19:34 GMT >I forgot to add that my Religious Education teacher (30 years ago now) >refused to tell us his own religion on the grounds that that might bias us >to his particular point of view. Excellent!
There is another reason.
Here is a flea, there a gnat. Here a tiger and there a person. Each propagates its own.
How does that work?
Its too presumptuous of us to even guess what a Creator might have in mind.
Now start looking at neutrinos, electrons, protons and neutrons. Whatever I may think I may believe, is sure not important to anyone. I do not even have the brain to begin to understand the simplest of things.
Joel
carabelli - 15 Dec 2004 19:41 GMT "Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote ..........
> Its too presumptuous of us to even guess what a Creator might have in > mind. > > Now start looking at neutrinos, electrons, protons and neutrons......... I'm going to need some really good loupes.
carabelli ..
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Dec 2004 19:54 GMT >"Joel M. Eichen" <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote .......... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >carabelli >.. Yeah, tiny suckers .......
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Dec 2004 02:17 GMT > > HARRISBURG - The state American Civil Liberties Union plans to file a >> federal lawsuit today against a school district that is requiring [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >schools are not there to teach children what to think but HOW to think for >themselves. You have to be careful though. You know ... I heard those martyrs get 12 beautiful voluptuous virgins in heaven ........ if someone asks about the female suicide bombers, then you are really cooked.
Joel
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