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JenniferFrank9 - 07 Dec 2004 22:03 GMT Hello all,
I had a root canal yesterday and was prescribed something called Percoset for the pain. The problem that I am having is I think this medicine is too strong for me. I am a person that rarely takes medicines (even OTC) if I can help it. I have to be truly in pain to take an aspirin. I was in quite a bit of pain after the procedure, this is the second root canal on the same tooth. I am told that it may end up needing another procedure that I have no idea how to spell- apico something. Anwyay, I took one of these pills and slept for the next 5 hours without waking up. This is a problem because I have a 5 month old son. I called the dentist and he is out of town on a family emergency. His assistant said that she could not make a recommendation as she is not the doctor. Her only thought was that I should go to the ER. Honestly, the pain is less today and is certainly not enough to warrant a 12 hour wait in the ER- I live in Los Angeles so this is not a quick thing to do. I also don't want to get the flu from being in the waiting room and bring it home to the baby. I asked her about which OTC medicine might work and she said that she didn't know. She said that when the prescription medicine is too strong that the doctor prescribes prescription Motrin, but since he is not available, there is nothing she can do. Any suggestions other than going to the ER? The pain is not excruciating but it is bad enough that I can't sleep without the heavier drugs which obviously I don't want to do. So, thank you for reading this long post and thank you in advance for any replies.
Jennifer
Adenosine - 07 Dec 2004 22:12 GMT >Hello all, > >I had a root canal yesterday and was prescribed something called Percoset for Percocet, hydrocodone + tylenol
>the pain. The problem that I am having is I think this medicine is too strong >for me. I am a person that rarely takes medicines (even OTC) if I can help it. > I have to be truly in pain to take an aspirin. I was in quite a bit of pain >after the procedure, this is the second root canal on the same tooth. I am >told that it may end up needing another procedure that I have no idea how to >spell- apico something. Why not just do a retreat?
>Anwyay, I took one of these pills and slept for the >next 5 hours without waking up. This is a problem because I have a 5 month old [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Jennifer Motrin is just ibuprofen. Also known under the brand name Advil. Take 800mg of this (this usually comes to 4 pills of the standard dose, 200mg). This (I think) is the normal prescription dosage, and I know that the same dosage has worked for me many times with dealing with post-operative pain.
Also, please send the percocet to me. I'll find a use for them. :P
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
W_B - 07 Dec 2004 22:16 GMT >Motrin is just ibuprofen. Also known under the brand name Advil. Take >800mg of this (this usually comes to 4 pills of the standard dose, >200mg). This (I think) is the normal prescription dosage, and I know >that the same dosage has worked for me many times with dealing with >post-operative pain. IMO ketoprofen works better than ibuprofen.
>Also, please send the percocet to me. I'll find a use for them. :P > >-- >Adenosine --
W_B
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Adenosine - 07 Dec 2004 22:19 GMT >>Motrin is just ibuprofen. Also known under the brand name Advil. Take >>800mg of this (this usually comes to 4 pills of the standard dose, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >IMO ketoprofen works better than ibuprofen. I've found that you generally have to look for ketoprofen. Ibuprofen is easy to find.
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
The Webby - 07 Dec 2004 22:35 GMT It's dangerous to give "medical advice" to invisible and anonymous people, especially by people who seek to be invisible and anonymous, **Y*. TW
> >>Motrin is just ibuprofen. Also known under the brand name Advil. Take > >>800mg of this (this usually comes to 4 pills of the standard dose, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Adenosine - 07 Dec 2004 22:46 GMT >It's dangerous to give "medical advice" to invisible and anonymous >people, especially by people who seek to be invisible and anonymous, >**Y*. >TW It's dangerous to try to guess who people are from their anonymous usenet postings.
I've given people plenty of BAD* advice before over the internet, I don't see why I would be worried about giving good advice.
*It's funny to tell a drug-user that dehydrated cat urine will get him high. Especially if he tries it. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
The Webby - 07 Dec 2004 23:31 GMT You don't say? TW
> >It's dangerous to give "medical advice" to invisible and anonymous > >people, especially by people who seek to be invisible and anonymous, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Adenosine - 07 Dec 2004 23:37 GMT >You don't say? >TW Correct. I typed it.
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
The Webby - 08 Dec 2004 01:42 GMT Difficult? Probably. Dangerous? How so?
> > It's dangerous to try to guess who people are from their anonymous > > usenet postings. TW
Adenosine - 08 Dec 2004 03:00 GMT >Difficult? Probably. Dangerous? How so? > >> > It's dangerous to try to guess who people are from their anonymous >> > usenet postings. >> >TW Dangerous to your character in the eyes of others.
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
The Webby - 08 Dec 2004 03:27 GMT Dangerous to my character in the eyes of others ... You mean, dangerous in the eyes of others who do not know me ... Okay. TW
> >Difficult? Probably. Dangerous? How so? > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Jan - 08 Dec 2004 03:38 GMT >Subject: Re: Medication Question >From: Adenosine adenosine@nospam.com [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Dangerous to your character in the eyes of others. Character bulding tips from Adenosine
Would you please give me the location of your mother's grave? I have some nitrogenous waste I need to get rid of. I have a bunch of amalgam restorations in my mouth, you can see if the extra mercury in the waste causes the grass the gravesite to die.
Jan
Jan - 08 Dec 2004 02:24 GMT >Subject: Re: Medication Question >From: Adenosine adeno@nospam4u.org [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>**Y*. >>TW Totally agree.
>It's dangerous to try to guess who Uh hmmmmmmmm..
>It's dangerous to give "medical advice" to invisible and anonymous W_B - 08 Dec 2004 00:08 GMT >>IMO ketoprofen works better than ibuprofen. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >-- >Adenosine You might try looking inside a pharmacy for a change.
-- W_B
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Jan - 08 Dec 2004 02:20 GMT >From: Adenosine adeno@nospam4u.org
>Motrin is just ibuprofen. Also known under the brand name Advil. Take >800mg of this (this usually comes to 4 pills of the standard dose, >200mg) Adenosine practicing medicine without a license.
Lord have mercury.
Jzx
Jan_Drew_is_a_liar@liar.com - 08 Dec 2004 02:28 GMT >>From: Adenosine adeno@nospam4u.org > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Adenosine practicing medicine without a license. Uh, oh. If Jan finds out your real identity she is sure to report you to the authorities.
Funny how the hypocrite Jan Drew says nothing about her buddy Hulda Clark practicing medicine without a license, prescribing zappers to cure AIDS and cancer and ripping off hopeless and desperate people.
Aloha,
Rich
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
Tony Bad - 08 Dec 2004 03:09 GMT > >>From: Adenosine adeno@nospam4u.org > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > >Adenosine practicing medicine without a license. If someone says I have a headache and I say take an aspirin is that "practicing medicine"? If so, wouldn't advising people avoid or favor one type of dental care practicing dentistry without a license?
T
Jan - 08 Dec 2004 03:43 GMT >Subject: Re: Medication Question >From: "Tony Bad" spamspamspam@bakedbeans.spam [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >If someone says I have a headache and I say take an aspirin is that >"practicing medicine"? Well of course not, just using a few famous words of the *gang&.
If so, wouldn't advising people avoid or favor one type of dental>care practicing dentistry without a license?
>T Absolutely not, furthermore my message starts with *IF*
Jan
Adenosine - 08 Dec 2004 03:52 GMT >>Hello all, >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >>Jennifer I've decided to answer this in a different way:
*IF* you have an answered pain problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE NSAIDS!
NOT by mainstream asprin, but an Alt. analgesic who KNOWS the dangers of infection in the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol.
I did, it saved my life
Inflammation is Painful.There is NO safe form of infection in living tissue.The pain from from inflammation alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSAID
Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, usually abbreviated to NSAIDs, are drugs with analgesic, antipyretic and anti-inflammatory effects - they reduce pain, fever and inflammation. The term "non-steroidal" is used to distinguish these drugs from steroids, which (amongst a broad range of other effects) have a similar eicosanoid depressing anti-inflammatory action.
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
Jan - 08 Dec 2004 04:20 GMT >From: Adenosine
>I've decided to answer this in a different way: And exactly 12 minutes after reading *character building tips from Adenosine.
Gheeze, you are slow.
Of course, it appears some questions you aren't eager to answer.
Wife? Kids? Job?
Jzx
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Dec 2004 04:47 GMT >Of course, it appears some questions you aren't eager to answer. Nor is Jan!
Dr Steve - 07 Dec 2004 22:16 GMT Try two OTC ibuprophen (Motrin, Advil or generic) plus one OTC Tylenol at the same time. Repeat in six hours. After another night's good rest, you will probably need only ibuprofen or Aleve.
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> Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Jennifer Stormin Mormon - 09 Dec 2004 00:44 GMT Ibu plus acet is supposed to have higher risk of organ damage. can't remember, liver or kidneys.
However, it's a very effective pain reliever combination. I used that combination last time I had an infected wisdom tooth.
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Try two OTC ibuprophen (Motrin, Advil or generic) plus one OTC Tylenol at the same time. Repeat in six hours. After another night's good rest, you will probably need only ibuprofen or Aleve.
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W_B - 07 Dec 2004 22:17 GMT >So, thank you for reading this long >post and thank you in advance for any replies. > >Jennifer Try Orudis KT (ketoprofen)
You can also break the Percocet tabs in half. --
W_B
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Steven Fawks - 07 Dec 2004 22:36 GMT Another very good choice. I prescribe that for most root canals and extractions.
Better pain relief than most narcotics and fewer side effects. It lasts longer than ibuprofen.
Fawks
> Try Orudis KT > (ketoprofen) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Jan - 08 Dec 2004 02:26 GMT >Subject: Re: Medication Question >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >W_B Now,,,ledmeseeeee
Who was it who said dentists are not allowed to give medical advice??
carabelli - 07 Dec 2004 22:17 GMT If you can tolerate aspirin, try it instead.
Ibuprofen is the active ingredient in Motrin and Advil. Many people can take those without problems also.
These are some OTC options.
carabelli
Steven Fawks - 07 Dec 2004 22:30 GMT If you have no problems taking ibuprofen, I would suggest substituting it for the percocet. 800 mg. can be taken every 4-6 hours for pain (OTC generic ibuprofen is usually 200 mg/tablet). You could start with 400 mg. and see how things feel. Better than a trip to the ER I would think (unless the pain became unmanagable of course).
Best wishes, Fawks
Any suggestions other than going to the ER? The pain is
> not excruciating but it is bad enough that I can't sleep without the heavier > drugs which obviously I don't want to do. So, thank you for reading this long > post and thank you in advance for any replies. > > Jennifer Jan_Drew_is_a_liar@liar.com - 07 Dec 2004 22:32 GMT >If you have no problems taking ibuprofen, I would suggest substituting >it for the percocet. 800 mg. can be taken every 4-6 hours for pain (OTC >generic ibuprofen is usually 200 mg/tablet). You could start with 400 >mg. and see how things feel. Better than a trip to the ER I would think >(unless the pain became unmanagable of course). If you are going to take ibuprofen (or any of the NSAIDs) it is very important that you take it with food (or after a meal) since otherwise it can cause severe gastric irritation/ulcer which will add to your problems.
Aloha,
Rich
>Best wishes, >Fawks [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Jennifer ----------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------
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Joel M. Eichen - 07 Dec 2004 22:45 GMT >Hello all, > >I had a root canal yesterday and was prescribed something called Percoset for >the pain. NARCotic!
> The problem that I am having is I think this medicine is too strong >for me. YUP.
> I am a person that rarely takes medicines (even OTC) if I can help it. > I have to be truly in pain to take an aspirin. I was in quite a bit of pain [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >next 5 hours without waking up. This is a problem because I have a 5 month old >son. Do not take them then., They are only for strong pain.
> I called the dentist and he is out of town on a family emergency. His >assistant said that she could not make a recommendation as she is not the >doctor. Her only thought was that I should go to the ER. Honestly, the pain >is less today and is certainly not enough to warrant a 12 hour wait in the ER- >I live in Los Angeles so this is not a quick thing to do. Ice may help ......
> I also don't want to >get the flu from being in the waiting room and bring it home to the baby. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Jennifer Roy Brown - 08 Dec 2004 05:44 GMT You could try reducing the dosage by 1/2 or less, while spending time with someone you can trust to monitor you.
Recommend you ask your MD. They should know you better than any of us.
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| Hello all, | [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] | | Jennifer weezie - 08 Dec 2004 06:38 GMT Hi Jennifer,
You mentioned that you have a 5 month old son. I don't know if you're breastfeeding or not, but in case you are, I would opt for the OTC drug, but I think you would be ok with Percoset as well. Somebody suggested breaking it in half so it doesn't knock you out for hours. When I was recovering from delivery, the doctor offered me percoset, but I refused it (and she was really pushing the stuff! I was like, "B*tch, step off!") because, like you, I rarely take medication and I didn't want anything stronger than Motrin affecting me and Shelly (my dd) through my milk. So, what I would do (I'm actually experiencing some root canal pain right now), is either break the percoset pills in half, or take OTC Motrin, Aspirin or Tylenol. I think Dr. Steve mentioned that you could take 4 pills of Motrin to achieve a prescription strength dosage, but I would start with two pills and increase the dosage the next time by one pill and see if that takes care of the pain effectively. For breastfeeding's sake though, you shouldn't take more than a normal dose of aspirin. I think acetometaphins (Ibuprofen, Motrin, Advil) are your best bet. -Weezie
mom to Shelly Rei born 9/2/04 not a dentist
The Webby - 08 Dec 2004 09:41 GMT This link should be helpful to both "JenniferFrank9" and "Weezie".
http://www.medicinenet.com/acetaminophen/article.htm
If in doubt about medication, it's always best to ask your own doctor. The patient could have called her obstetrician/family doctor.
It's difficult to believe that a dentist in LA would leave town and not have an arrangement with another dentist to take call in his absence. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.
TW
> I think acetometaphins (Ibuprofen, Motrin, Advil) are your best bet. > -Weezie > > mom to Shelly Rei born 9/2/04 > not a dentist weezie - 08 Dec 2004 10:28 GMT Oh, Thanks Webby. I took 1 Motrin but my tooth is still gnawing at me. I don't know if my dentist hollowed out my tooth yet or not. All I know is that I have half a tooth and a temp filling. I'm wondering is this going to hurt again after I get a crown on it? Speaking of which, what's the difference in terms of pro/con, price, durability of inlays vs. crowns on and upper left molar (tooth number 13)? I'm going to have to make that decision soon and I want it to be an informed one.
One more question: I asked her not to fill in my "canals" with amalgam, so she suggested gold. Can root canals only be filled with metals because they can be melted? Or are there other materials that are used? I should have asked her all these questions, but there were so many patients, and she was so hurried.
Thanks!
-Weezie
-Weezie
Dr Steve - 08 Dec 2004 12:52 GMT The roots are filled with rubber.
The crown can be filled with a variety of materials
The crown generally gets covered by something strong. I prefer doing a full porcelain crown with a thick stem extending into the hollow space opened up to perform the root canal treatment.
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> Oh, Thanks Webby. I took 1 Motrin but my tooth is still gnawing at me. > I don't know if my dentist hollowed out my tooth yet or not. All I know [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -Weezie Advocate147 - 08 Dec 2004 15:10 GMT Anyone addicted to soda pop may want to look into this. Sparkling grape juice. Has the same carbonation as pop. This is holiday week starting today, and the grape juice is on sale at any store selling Kosher products. Sale price , if they have it is a difference of about $3.00 a bottle. Today is the last day in our area.
Can we assume the carbonation is not a factor for decay. (No sugar is in the grape juice)
Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Dec 2004 15:13 GMT >Anyone addicted to soda pop may want to look into this. >Sparkling grape juice. >Has the same carbonation as pop. WORSE:
Are there any Kosher Jello Shots?
(OK what are Jello Shots, you ask?)
>This is holiday week starting today, and the grape juice is on sale at any >store selling Kosher products. Sale price , if they have it is a difference [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Gail Advocate147 - 08 Dec 2004 15:29 GMT Joel, Please be serious. "WORSE" Are you crying "Fire" Carbonation, decay, None, or all of those.
Gail
The nursing home has a soda pop machine, which tells you how much they care about their patients. Ellen is the worst offender. Have thought of putting the machine out of order.
Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Dec 2004 15:33 GMT >Joel, >Please be serious. "WORSE" >Are you crying "Fire" >Carbonation, decay, None, or all of those. CO2 cannot rot teeth ...... BUT!!!!!! CO2 --> H2CO3 carbonic acid, from which we get the word "carbonation."
So more acid means more dissolution of calcium salts (tooth structure) ..... making the entire mouth more vulnerable to TOOTH DECAY (caused by nasty bacteria).
Joel
>Gail > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Gail carabelli - 08 Dec 2004 15:37 GMT > >Joel, > >Please be serious. "WORSE" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Joel Fermentable sugars also, otherwise there would be not wine.
carabelli
Advocate147 - 08 Dec 2004 16:06 GMT In real SIMPLE language, does the carbonated grape juice tend to cause decay, does the wine also tend to cause decay.
Please speak in kindergarten language.
Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Dec 2004 17:54 GMT >In real SIMPLE language, does the carbonated grape juice tend to cause decay, >does the wine also tend to cause decay. YES. and YES.
>Please speak in kindergarten language. > >Gail W_B - 08 Dec 2004 18:37 GMT >>In real SIMPLE language, does the carbonated grape juice tend to cause decay, >>does the wine also tend to cause decay. > >YES. and YES. > >>Please speak in kindergarten language. See Spot run. Run Spot run !
>>Gail -- W_B
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Advocate147 - 08 Dec 2004 21:00 GMT "See Spot run. Run Spot run"
Don't recall this from kindergarten. Matter of fact don't recall kindergarten. Really learn a lot from you. No kidding.
Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Dec 2004 17:53 GMT >> >Joel, >> >Please be serious. "WORSE" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >Fermentable sugars also, otherwise there would be not wine. True, or lactic acid.
This is how Louie Pasteur got his start by the way ... a vintner called him in when the wine went bad.
>carabelli Advocate147 - 08 Dec 2004 15:55 GMT In other words, no shortcuts. Fruit juice, including the grape juice is better without the carbonation.? Some people just don't like water.
Gail
Dr Steve - 08 Dec 2004 15:57 GMT Fruit juices still have sugars and acids. Carbonating the drink increases the acidity and the makes the acid more potent.
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> In other words, no shortcuts. Fruit juice, including the grape juice is > better > without the carbonation.? > Some people just don't like water. > > Gail Advocate147 - 08 Dec 2004 16:11 GMT Well, I think that cancels out the trip to the store for the carbonated grape juice. Thanks. Maybe just sabotaging the coke machine is the best thing.
Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Dec 2004 17:55 GMT >Well, I think that cancels out the trip to the store for the carbonated grape >juice. Less grepsing too.
>Thanks. >Maybe just sabotaging the coke machine is the best thing. > >Gail Adenosine - 08 Dec 2004 18:10 GMT >>Well, I think that cancels out the trip to the store for the carbonated grape >>juice. > >Less grepsing too. s/greps/grep/ ??
Less grep?
Sacrelege!
The regex mafia is in full effect.
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Dec 2004 22:45 GMT >>>Well, I think that cancels out the trip to the store for the carbonated grape >>>juice. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Less grep? In this case, less grepsing.
>Sacrelege! > >The regex mafia is in full effect. Steven Fawks - 08 Dec 2004 16:45 GMT *Almost* anything you drink besides unsweetened tea, coffee, water, and diet pop has some sugar. Plaque doesn't need much to cause decay. If you have a decay problem, don't consume *ANY* carbs/sugars between meals.
JMO, Fawks
> In other words, no shortcuts. Fruit juice, including the grape juice is better > without the carbonation.? > Some people just don't like water. > > Gail Dr Steve - 08 Dec 2004 16:55 GMT General rule of thumb............... anything you mix yourself or brew yourself will be much better than anything bought out of a bottle or can. Don't include bottles of pure water here, but we can discuss how silly it is to buy water by the bottle.
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> > *Almost* anything you drink besides unsweetened tea, coffee, water, and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Gail W_B - 08 Dec 2004 18:33 GMT >Don't include bottles of pure water here, but we can discuss how silly it is >to buy water by the bottle. OK, you are traveling and need to stop for gas, you are thirsty and don't want soda, coffee, or tea. A to go' small bottle of water fits the bill.
No, I don't carry thermoses or ice chests.
-- W_B
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The Webby - 08 Dec 2004 18:38 GMT > >Don't include bottles of pure water here, but we can discuss how silly it is > >to buy water by the bottle. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE If you live in or near the desert, you must consider how much water should be in the cargo area of your car at all times when it is hot. It's easier to put a collection of smaller bottles in the trunk than to fill the whole truck up like a swimming pool. I can't life that much water at once.
Driving from San Diego to Vegas in the summer is when coastal babies forgot what the desert is all about ... it's dangerous out there. Fill 'er up means more than fuel for the car!!
TW
Adenosine - 08 Dec 2004 18:38 GMT >>Don't include bottles of pure water here, but we can discuss how silly it is >>to buy water by the bottle. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >No, I don't carry thermoses or ice chests. This is the reason I buy bottled water. Maybe when they design water fountains that aren't breeding pools for nasty germs, and dispense decent tasting water I'll change my ways.
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
Dr Steve - 08 Dec 2004 18:42 GMT Of course in a case like that. I just find it amusing that so many people in my area will buy drinking water by the bottle when our tap water tests out so very good. Usually, you have no idea where the bottled water comes from. In most cases, it is just tap water from some other region of the country. My favorite is the ones that say the water is bottled "near the mouth of the sdsksxxx spring". I figure this really means you are buying tap water which was poured into the small bottle a few miles from some spring.
I know Peter could make an issue of fluoride in the water or not, but since he debates his point politely, will say he has a valid point if you are trying to avoid fluoride in your water.
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
> >>Don't include bottles of pure water here, but we can discuss how silly it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE Jan - 08 Dec 2004 23:49 GMT >Subject: Re: May be of interest >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >in my area will buy drinking water by the bottle when our tap water tests >out so very good. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I would ask for proof, but that's not one of your strong points, so once *again* I will educate you, plus show you have no idea what you are talking about.
http://www.mindfully.org/Water/Dow-Contaminates-Water5jun02.htm
Dow Chemical Contaminates Drinking Water for 6 Million People Water Technology 5jun02 DETROIT — State officials planned to test drinking water at 12 municipal water plants over concerns that contaminants up to 40 years old from a dredging site in the St. Clair River might have spread downstream.
Sediments in the river contain a range of chemicals dumped there over the years by a Dow Chemical Co. (NYSE: DOW), Midland, MI, plant in Sarnia, Ontario, the Detroit News reported [below].
The state Department of Environmental Quality planned tests at intake pipes along the St. Clair River, Lake St. Clair and the Detroit River Tuesday to see if high levels of mercury and other heavy metals, as well as oils, gases and organic compounds, were stirred up during dredging, the newspaper reported.
The dredge site is south of Sarnia, across the river from the Marysville water plant in St. Clair County.
About 6 million people in southeast Michigan get their drinking water from water treatment plants along the lake and river, said Doug Martz, chair of the Macomb Water Quality Board, which prompted the state to conduct the tests, the News reported.
Catherine Creber, a spokeswoman for Dow Chemical of Canada, said dredging to remove the contaminants from 2,300 cubic meters of sediment from the river bottom started last week.
Contaminants in the sediment on the bottom of the St. Clair River were discharged by Dow as far back as the 1950s, according to the article, which reported that the Ontario Ministry of the Environment and Dow conducted tests 28 May after the company started the dredging.
The ministry also had boats in the area to see if the sediment was being released, but none was detected, Ministry spokesman Gary Johnson said in the article.
Dow was slated to spend CAD$15.3 million (US$10 million) this spring to help clean contaminants from the river bottom, the News reported.
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State to test drinking water Dredging to clean St. Clair River at Sarnia prompts contaminant checks at 12 plants GENE SCHABATH / The Detroit News 3jun02 MT. CLEMENS -- The state will test drinking water Tuesday at a dozen municipal water plants over concerns that mercury and other contaminants from a dredging site in the St. Clair River may have flowed downstream.
Sediments in the river contain a wide range of chemicals dumped there over the years by Dow Chemical in Sarnia, Ontario.
The state Department of Environmental Quality plans to conduct the tests at intake pipes along the St. Clair River, Lake St. Clair and the Detroit River to see if contaminants were stirred up during dredging.
The Metro Detroit communities where testing will be done are Mt. Clemens, Grosse Pointe Farms, Detroit, New Baltimore and plants along the Michigan side of the St. Clair River.
Catherine Creber, a spokeswoman for Dow Chemical of Canada, said Michigan and Ontario environmental officials believe no contaminants will be found in the drinking water. The tests will be conducted as a safeguard, state officials said.
The dredge site is south of Sarnia, across the river from the Marysville drinking water plant in St. Clair County.
About 6 million people in southeast Michigan get their drinking water from water treatment plants along the lake and river, said Doug Martz, chairman of the Macomb Water Quality Board, which prompted the state to conduct the tests.
"This is a safety net. I hope they don't find anything," Martz said.
Dredging to remove the contaminants from 3,000 cubic yards of sediment from the river bottom started last Tuesday. About 360 cubic yards have been dredged so far, Creber said.
About 28,000 cubic yards will be removed from the river later this year and in 2003, Creber added.
The contaminants in the sediment on the bottom of the St. Clair River were discharged by Dow as far back as the 1950s.
The Ontario Ministry of the Environment and Dow Chemical of Canada conducted tests last Tuesday after the company started the dredging. The ministry also had boats in the area to see if the sediment was being released. None was detected, said Gary Johnson, spokesman for the ministry.
Tests conducted as far as 22 1/2 miles downstream showed no dangerous levels of contaminants, such as mercury, were found in the water, Creber said.
Bryce Feighner, a supervising district engineer with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, said he inspected the test results and is satisfied that Michigan drinking water is not in peril.
"All of the sample results were within drinking water standards," Feighner said. "We will sample all drinking water plants just to satisfy public concern. I think it is worth it if the public is genuinely concerned about drinking-water safety."
Michigan scientists will test Tuesday for high levels of mercury and other heavy metals, as well as oils, gases and organic compounds.
Martz and Oakland University professor Linda Schweitzer plan to conduct private tests today and Tuesday of water downstream from the Dow Chemical of Canada dredge site.
Mt. Clemens' Water Treatment Plant draws from a point in Lake St. Clair that is 20 miles downstream of Dow. Charles Bellmore, the plant's supervisor, said he is relieved last week's tests in the St. Clair River showed no contaminants were released from the dredge site.
"If the state is confident, I'll put my confidence in them," Bellmore said. "My primary concern was for mercury and volatile organic compounds. Lake St. Clair is full of mercury, and we feel it is the result of discharges from the St. Clair River."
Lake St. Clair was closed to fishing in 1969 because of high levels of mercury in sport fish. It was reopened to fishing a year later when the levels declined.
The mercury was traced to discharges from Canadian chemical companies along the St. Clair River.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Dec 2004 17:54 GMT >In other words, no shortcuts. Fruit juice, including the grape juice is better >without the carbonation.? >Some people just don't like water. Depends ........ nothing is great except pure water.
>Gail W_B - 08 Dec 2004 18:36 GMT >>In other words, no shortcuts. Fruit juice, including the grape juice is better >>without the carbonation.? >>Some people just don't like water. > >Depends ........ nothing is great except pure water. Joel are you still wearing Depends ?
>>Gail -- W_B
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Adenosine - 08 Dec 2004 18:34 GMT >The nursing home has a soda pop machine, which tells you how much they care >about their patients. Ellen is the worst offender. Have thought of putting >the machine out of order. > >Gail Oh no, it's the protect people from themselves brigade again.
If you drink a bunch of pop and it rots your teeth, it's your fault for drinking a bunch of pop. It's not like it's not common knowledge that soda is awful for your teeth and waist.
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
Dr Steve - 08 Dec 2004 15:55 GMT Sugars and added acids.
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> Anyone addicted to soda pop may want to look into this. > Sparkling grape juice. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Gail Adenosine - 08 Dec 2004 16:21 GMT >Anyone addicted to soda pop may want to look into this. >Sparkling grape juice. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Gail No sugar is in the grape juice? It wouldn't taste any good.
I perfer the sparkling cider myself.
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Joel M. Eichen - 08 Dec 2004 17:56 GMT >>Anyone addicted to soda pop may want to look into this. >>Sparkling grape juice. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >No sugar is in the grape juice? It wouldn't taste any good. True.
This is why wine is popular.
>I perfer the sparkling cider myself. W_B - 08 Dec 2004 18:36 GMT >>No sugar is in the grape juice? It wouldn't taste any good. > >True. > >This is why wine is popular. Don't forget 'whine' 8^]]
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The Webby - 08 Dec 2004 17:44 GMT > Oh, Thanks Webby. You're welcome. I see you've had feedback from Dr. Steve about your RCT questions. Best wishes, TW
Dr Steve - 08 Dec 2004 12:50 GMT Recent research says 400 mg of OTC ibuprofen PLUS one OTC Tylenol are as effective as codeine containing analgesics.
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> Hi Jennifer, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > mom to Shelly Rei born 9/2/04 > not a dentist W_B - 08 Dec 2004 17:49 GMT >I think >acetometaphins (Ibuprofen, Motrin, Advil) are your best bet. >-Weezie Ibuprofen, Motrin, Advil do not contain acetominophen. They contain ibuprofen.
Acetominophen is commonly referred to as Tylenol.
I still say ketoprofen (Orudis KT) works better than all of the above.
-- W_B
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The Webby - 08 Dec 2004 17:57 GMT > >I think > >acetometaphins (Ibuprofen, Motrin, Advil) are your best bet. > >-Weezie > > Ibuprofen, Motrin, Advil do not contain acetominophen. > They contain ibuprofen. That was why I posted this link:
http://www.medicinenet.com/acetaminophen/article.htm
TW
Steven Fawks - 08 Dec 2004 19:21 GMT It is also very convenient not to have to take it as often. 8 hour doses coincide much better with sleep.
JME, Fawks
> I still say ketoprofen (Orudis KT) works better than > all of the above. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE Adenosine - 08 Dec 2004 19:22 GMT >It is also very convenient not to have to take it as often. >8 hour doses coincide much better with sleep. > >JME, >Fawks If you really wanted to go for duration, couldn't one use naproxen sodium?
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
W_B - 08 Dec 2004 22:30 GMT >>It is also very convenient not to have to take it as often. >>8 hour doses coincide much better with sleep. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >If you really wanted to go for duration, couldn't one use naproxen >sodium? Doesn't work as well IMO.
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Dr Steve - 09 Dec 2004 12:56 GMT >>>It is also very convenient not to have to take it as often. >>>8 hour doses coincide much better with sleep. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Doesn't work as well IMO. It has worked extremely well on for arthritis pain for me.
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W_B - 09 Dec 2004 17:58 GMT >> Doesn't work as well IMO. > >It has worked extremely well on for arthritis pain for me. Ketoprofen works better for mine. --
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Jan - 09 Dec 2004 23:20 GMT >Subject: Re: Medication Question >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >It has worked extremely well on for arthritis pain for me. God Bless you, I just had a Cervical epidural today, for a deformed spine, protruded disks and arthritis in my neck.
No one in my family ever had arthritis, and I have it no where except in the neck.
Seeing a neuro surgeon in January, but have another appointment at the chronic pain center in three weeks.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 09 Dec 2004 23:38 GMT >neck. > >Seeing a neuro surgeon in January, but have another appointment at the chronic >pain center in three weeks. > >Jan Here ya go Jan, I found it for you.
http://tinyurl.com/303c
StovePipe - 08 Dec 2004 17:38 GMT > Anwyay, I took one of these pills and slept for the next 5 hours without > waking up. This is a problem because I have a 5 month old son. I called > the dentist and he is out of town on a family emergency. His assistant > said that she could not make a recommendation as she is not the doctor. Have not read thread, no time. BUT IMO, the problem is right here: no history taken by the dentist, no concern re: the patients' immediate situation (baby) and no safety net. Dentist should have a collegue on call for these types of emergencies. If he doesn't then he should absorb the cost of long distance emergency calls. JMO SP
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Alexander Vasserman DDS - 08 Dec 2004 20:37 GMT 1 motin = 3 or 4 advil tabs
you can break the percocet in half
The Webby - 08 Dec 2004 21:02 GMT > 1 motin = 3 or 4 advil tabs > > you can break the percocet in half You lost me there. What dosage motrin tablet? Do you mean one 600mg or one 800 mg Motrin = 3 or 4 Advil 200 mg tabs? TW
Dr Steve - 08 Dec 2004 22:05 GMT >> 1 motin = 3 or 4 advil tabs >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > one 800 mg Motrin = 3 or 4 Advil 200 mg tabs? > TW  Signature
Dear Webby, I think Alex is not well today.
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The Webby - 08 Dec 2004 22:12 GMT > "The Webby" <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message > news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-A69F6A.13021408122004@orngca-news04.socal. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > one 800 mg Motrin = 3 or 4 Advil 200 mg tabs? > > TW I think you've got something there, Dr. Steve. Something is wrong. TW
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