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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / December 2004Amalgam Replacement & NTI TSS...HELP PLEASE!!!
Hello, I can see that a lot of dentists use this news group, and I hope that someone can give me advice after years of dental struggles. It is my firm belief that amalgams leech mercury into the body, and I do not wish to debate this issue. I wear a mouth guard that clearly shows the metals from the amalgams rubbing into it. As a result, I have decided to have my amalgams replaced and have tried to do this several times now with several different dentists. The first set of amalgams replaced with white composite caused and aching pain and cold sensitivity for about a year before the pain subsided. The cold sensitivity remained. I had them replaced again by another dentist and the cold sensitivity still gives me problems. He also replaced some other amalgams which have a very mild discomfort while chewing even though he has adjusted my bite several times. At last he manipulated my jaw using one of those colored papers between my upper and bottom teeth and he now says that my teeth are rubbing together and not the fillings which were replaced. He has now suggested NTI TSS to hopefully alleviate some of my teeth sensitivity because my bite is incorrect and it is obvious to me that I have tension and grinding. He says I need to do this before I consider getting anymore amalgams replaced. If anyone has used NTI TSS, your experience with this device would be helpful as well. I really want to find out what you all think before spending more money. Thanks you for any information you can give. Tonya >Hello, > >I can see that a lot of dentists use this news group, and I hope that >someone can give me advice after years of dental struggles. >It is my firm belief that amalgams leech mercury into the body, and I >do not wish to debate this issue. Uhh... ok, but I don't think you are correct... but whatever, it's you're money to waste and your teeth's pulps to annoy. >I wear a mouth guard that clearly >shows the metals from the amalgams rubbing into it. As a result, I have >decided to have my amalgams replaced and have tried to do this several >times now with several different dentists. Several different times? Sounds like you need to pick your dentists better. Maybe starting with non-holistic dentists who use stopped using amalgam for reasons unrelated to mercury would be a good plan. >The first set of amalgams replaced with white composite caused and >aching pain and cold sensitivity for about a year before the pain >subsided. Aching pain and cold sensitivy? Did it throb? Sounds like your pulp hates you. >The cold sensitivity remained. Ouch.. >I had them replaced again by >another dentist and the cold sensitivity still gives me problems. He [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >upper and bottom teeth and he now says that my teeth are rubbing >together and not the fillings which were replaced. So, he used articulating paper and manipulated your jaw? Did he talk about something called 'CR'? >He has now suggested NTI TSS to hopefully alleviate some of my teeth >sensitivity because my bite is incorrect and it is obvious to me that I >have tension and grinding. He says I need to do this before I consider >getting anymore amalgams replaced. Sounds reasonable. Bruxing can cause cold sensitivity, even in unrestored teeth. >If anyone has used NTI TSS, your experience with this device would be >helpful as well. I really want to find out what you all think before >spending more money. >Thanks you for any information you can give. > >Tonya I think you'll find most people on this newsgroup are for the NTI. You can find the NTI's website at http://headachehope.com If there are signs that you brux, an NTI will reduce the intenstity of it. Unlike other bite splints, the NTI only touches the anterior teeth (the teeth between the canines, but not the canines). Not only would your amalgams never rub together at night (because they can't), it's very possible that your cold sensitivity could be reduced. I'd go for the NTI, but save my money on the amalgam replacement unless I couldn't stand the looks of them anymore. If there is one thing amalgams excell at it's looking fugly. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? > He says I need to do this before I consider >>getting anymore amalgams replaced. > >Sounds reasonable. Bruxing can cause cold sensitivity, even in >unrestored teeth. It can cause pulpal death in 'virgin' teeth. Just ask SM. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE Adenosine, I think I was born yesterday ... or ... maybe I should ask, do you think I was born yesterday? TW > >Hello, > > [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >Adenosine, >I think I was born yesterday ... or ... maybe I should ask, do you think >I was born yesterday? >TW If you were born yesterday, you sure did pick up English pretty quickly. *woosh* <-- sound of this post going over my head. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? That's the point. TW > >Adenosine, > >I think I was born yesterday ... or ... maybe I should ask, do you think [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >That's the point. >TW [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Adenosine >> Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Um... uh? Can I buy a vowel? May I ask you what you were trying to express, please? -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? How about three consonants? TW > >That's the point. > >TW [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >How about three consonants? >TW RSTLNE? -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Three consonants. TW > >How about three consonants? > >TW > > RSTLNE? >Three consonants. >TW WTF? I give up... I have no clue what point you are trying to put across. Sorry, I'm practicing for the brick immitation contest next week. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? You need to go back to the thread with all the content regarding the subject line. TW > >Three consonants. > >TW [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >You need to go back to the thread with all the content regarding the >subject line. >TW ?? >Path: news.easynews.com!en202!core-easynews!newsfeed2.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news.glorb.com!newshosting.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!post01.iad01.newshosting.com!news.usenetguide.com!not-for-mail >From: Rip <RIP@earthlink.net> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetguide.com >Xref: core-easynews sci.med.dentistry:236619 -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >>Three consonants. >>TW [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I give up... I have no clue what point you are trying to put across. >Sorry, I'm practicing for the brick immitation contest next week. Allright you two, children. Quit talking in code. The Webby wants: TMJ Adenosine says: RSTLNE? The most commonly used consonants in the english language. If The Webby played 'Wheel of Fortune' she would know that. If Adenosine knew more about TW he would know the three consonants. Play nice children. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE OK ... TW > >>Three consonants. > >>TW [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE >>Three consonants. >>TW [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I give up... I have no clue what point you are trying to put across. >Sorry, I'm practicing for the brick immitation contest next week. You have serious competition from the anti-dentites. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE | *woosh* <-- sound of this post going over my head. | | -- | Adenosine | Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? must of been a top posting -- Roy No sound over my head here. But big bells are ringing and flags are going up the pole. TW > | *woosh* <-- sound of this post going over my head. > | [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > Roy >| *woosh* <-- sound of this post going over my head. >| [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >must of been a top posting BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA Well, now to grab a wet towel for cleanup. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? NYOB liked that expression. TW > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA >NYOB liked that expression. >TW > >> BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA I stole it from Kefka, Final Fantasy 3 (in japan, FF6, or rereleased as FF6 as well). He also did Gwahahahahah, but that's not as cool. You spoony bard! http://protected.falcon-networks.com/~adeno/bard.jpg -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? If anyone can see anything wrong with the acronym below, you will know that I was playing "nice" .... (Shhhhhhhhhh... don't tell) TW In article <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-0AE755.18042806122004@orngca-news04.soca l.rr.com>, > NYOB liked that expression. > TW > > > BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA I know: NOYB -and- BYOB -but not- NYOB >If anyone can see anything wrong with the acronym below, you will know >that I was playing "nice" .... (Shhhhhhhhhh... don't tell) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> NYOB liked that expression. >> TW -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE Yes! Say no more... TW > I know: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE Busted before that. Message-ID: <985b3ebb.0205151806.4ec9f13b@posting.google.com> If I were a religious person, I'd say God put that typo in for me. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? You have to get up pretty early in the morning to pull one over on TW. But, I shall "say" no more ... TW >Busted before that. > >Message-ID: <985b3ebb.0205151806.4ec9f13b@posting.google.com> > >If I were a religious person, I'd say God put that typo in for me. Religious ? What does that mean ? Believe in a Supreme Being ? I am sure that you do. You may not know it yet though. Religion is something invented by man. Belief in a Supreme Being is built into your soul. >-- >Adenosine -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >>Busted before that. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Religion is something invented by man. >Belief in a Supreme Being is built into your soul. I disagree, altho I cannot provide a very eloquent reason for this. I think that belief in a supreme being is just a poor way to try to come up with a purpose. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Adenosine, why would it be important to use the NTI in the case described? TW >Adenosine, why would it be important to use the NTI in the case >described? >TW Beats me. My qualifications in this matter: 0. I simply said it sounded like a good idea. The poster said she bruxed. She was worried about the amalgam fillings grinding against each other, or at least it sounded like it. The NTI will prevent this from happening. She also mentioned cold sensitivity. This can be caused by the teeth clenching together at night. The NTI will reduce the amount of force used when she clenches. Not only that, maybe if the fillings no longer ground against anything (because they are in the air), she wouldn't go through with the ridiculous idea of having her amalgams removed because they were poisoning her. What's the risk? Anterior open bite? Her dentist should've told her about that already. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Hmmmmm. You missed the most important point. TW > >Adenosine, why would it be important to use the NTI in the case > >described? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >Hmmmmm. You missed the most important point. >TW Damage to the joint? -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? No..... TW > >Hmmmmm. You missed the most important point. > >TW [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >Hmmmmm. You missed the most important point. >TW I think not. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE I think so, W_B. I think the reason to employ the NTI as part of the restorative plan for this particular case has everything to do with the outcome being successful or problematic. Did I misread history given by the poster? If so, I offer my apology in advance. TW > >Hmmmmm. You missed the most important point. > >TW [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE >I think so, W_B. >I think the reason to employ the NTI as part of the restorative plan for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >advance. >TW Huh? Are you talking about the equalibration that the dentist will do? As long as she can chew now, and continues to use the NTI, what does it matter? I think Boyd would say that you aren't going to fix the problem of a person occluding their teeth too much by making them better at it. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Uhhhhh..... I don't understand what you wrote about what Boyd would say. Can you please rephrase that? TW > >I think so, W_B. > >I think the reason to employ the NTI as part of the restorative plan for [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >Uhhhhh..... I don't understand what you wrote about what Boyd would say. >Can you please rephrase that? >TW From his own signature at DT: "You can't treat the disease of intense occluding of the teeth by perfecting the scheme of the occluding teeth" -Me I rest my case. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Oh no...... if you rest your case there, it would be like saying that you know the english alphabet because you have learned a, b, c, t, r. v. TW > >Uhhhhh..... I don't understand what you wrote about what Boyd would say. > >Can you please rephrase that? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? I don't know the answer to this question and that is why I'm asking for replies from readers with opinions on the subject of this particular use of terminology. Why is parafunction referred to as disease? TW In article <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-12F328.07144507122004@orngca-news04.soca l.rr.com>, > Oh no...... if you rest your case there, it would be like saying that > you know the english alphabet because you have learned a, b, c, t, r. v. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Adenosine > > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? > Why is parafunction referred to as disease? > > TW I don't use those terms together. In 25 years of looking at teeth, and about 5 years of looking at them a little differently (Post-Boyd), it seems that everyone clenches their teeth. Some people have problems in the muscles, nerves, teeth, and bones that make clenching more of a problem, and others clench so much and with so much force that something has to give somewhere. Parafunction is used to describe what happens when forces start tearing up body parts. It depends on the construction of the body on how much force that takes. To an old country boy, parafunction is more of a condition than a disease. It certainly isn't curable, just treatable. It is also a factor in many aspects of dental care for a huge number of patients. JMO, Fawks Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. TW > > Why is parafunction referred to as disease? > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > JMO, > Fawks ditto  Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> Why is parafunction referred to as disease? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > JMO, > Fawks >What's the risk? Anterior open bite? Her dentist should've told her >about that already. > >-- >Adenosine With an NTI that is a non-existant risk. Despite those who would state the contrary. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >>>Busted before that. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I think that belief in a supreme being is just a poor way to try to > come up with a purpose. Maybe this will help Adenosine. Romans 1 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. (NIV) (from: John Gills Exposition of the entire Bible) There are some things which could not be known of God by the light of nature; as a trinity of persons in the Godhead; the knowledge of God in Christ as Mediator; the God-man and Mediator Jesus Christ; his incarnation, sufferings, death, and resurrection; the will of God to save sinners by a crucified Jesus; the several peculiar doctrines of the Gospel, particularly the resurrection of the dead, and the manner of worshipping of God with acceptance: but then there are some things which may be known of God, without a revelation. Adam had a perfect knowledge of him; and his sons, though fallen, even the very Heathens have some notion of him, as that there is a God; and by the light of nature it might be known that there is but one God, who is glorious, full of majesty, and possessed of all perfections, as that he is all powerful, wise, good and righteous: and this is manifest in them, or "to them"; by the light that is given them: it is light by which that which may be known of God is manifest; and this is the light of nature, which every man has that comes into the world; and this is internal, it is in him, in his mind and conscience, and is communicated to him by God, and that by infusion or inspiration; see Job_32:8; 8 But it is the spirit in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding. for God hath showed it unto them; what may be known of him by that light; and which is assisted and may be improved by a consideration of the works of creation and Providence. >Subject: Re: Amalgam Replacement & NTI TSS...HELP PLEASE!!! >From: "Tim Dixon" timgdixon@cox.net >Date: 12/6/2004 8:20 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <ecatd.201647$hj.71609@fed1read07> Excellent post Tom, thanks. Jan >>>>Busted before that. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >and which is assisted and may be improved by a consideration of the works of >creation and Providence. >>Belief in a Supreme Being is built into your soul. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >-- >Adenosine You may feel that way right now, and that's allright. Next time you look at a flower or any other thing of beauty. Perhaps when you catch a fish, or your cat figure 8's your legs. Perhaps your dog jumps into your lap... Look at a tree mate, have you ever seen a human create a living thing ? Just think about it, I have none of my self-worth on the line. Good wishes, -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >>>Belief in a Supreme Being is built into your soul. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Look at a tree mate, have you ever seen a human create >a living thing ? In what sense? Babies are born every single day. Life is very good at creating more life. >Just think about it, I have none of my self-worth on the line. I have thought about it quite a bit. I buy into the argument that we see life, even if there are incredible odds against it, because if there wasn't any, we wouldn't be here to see it. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >>Look at a tree mate, have you ever seen a human create >>a living thing ? > >In what sense? Babies are born every single day. Life is very good at >creating more life. Ahh grasshopper; you have confused "propagating" with "creating" Consider the difference. >>Just think about it, I have none of my self-worth on the line. > >I have thought about it quite a bit. I buy into the argument that we >see life, even if there are incredible odds against it, because if >there wasn't any, we wouldn't be here to see it. True enough. Do you think that it is all serendipity ? Am not trying to convince you of anything. There just seems to be something afoot; that I may never understand, will never quit trying however. >-- >Adenosine -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE Enjoyed your comments, W_B. Thanks. TW > >>Look at a tree mate, have you ever seen a human create > >>a living thing ? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE >I think that belief in a supreme being is just a poor way to try to >come up with a purpose. > >-- >Adenosine There is a book out there "The Purpose Driven Life". Haven't read it and don't intend to. Already know my purpose, and have no doubts about achieving my multiple goals on earth. Is there a heaven or a hell ? I don't really know; intend to live my life as a reputable human being. I intend to respect myself and not do things that I would be ashamed of. Of course I may not always succeed, but will never quit trying. Take that for what it's worth. Maybe nothing, maybe much... who really knows ? -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >If anyone has used NTI TSS, your experience with this device would be >helpful as well. I really want to find out what you all think before >spending more money. >Thanks you for any information you can give. > >Tonya An NTI is an excellent idea. Many docs here make them, swear by them, and wear them themselves. Count me in. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE Okay, dentists of smd. I have my opinion, but I'd like your opinions. Why would the NTI be useful in this case prior to further restorative work? TW > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Tonya Umm, would it be? > He has now suggested NTI TSS to hopefully alleviate some of my teeth > sensitivity because my bite is incorrect and it is obvious to me that I > have tension and grinding. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | Okay, dentists of smd. I have my opinion, but I'd like your opinions. | Why would the NTI be useful in this case prior to further restorative [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] | > | > Tonya Hi Roy! I missed this ... I think.... been a busy day here. Some people may be aware that I was once upon a time bombarded with emails at the TMJ Foundation (online) from people describing in great and interesting detail the confusion they had about how to go forward with "TMJ" care. Sometimes the stories were told about themselves and others were told about someone else; friend and/or relative. There were hundreds of these emails in my box weekly. To the best of my knowledge, I answered all of them and always with the most carefully worded replies. What was particularly interesting about many (most) of those confused emails from so many "confused" "people" was this: They had good command of dental terminology, medical terminology, and were very good historians; especially when it came to describing the history of someone else. That told me something. Furthermore, they seemed to always ask questions that seemed complicated but were really quite simple to address. And rarely, did I receive a note thanking me for my time or a followup with more questions. There were a few who wrote more than once. This post from "Tonya" reminded me of some of the old emails I used to get. I would say that this post boils down to this: The story tells you that the patient likely has parafunction because of the symptoms described and because of the details shared about the dentist's physical findings. "Tonya" wrote: "He has now suggested NTI TSS to hopefully alleviate some of my teeth sensitivity because my bite is incorrect and it is obvious to me that I have tension and grinding. He says I need to do this before I consider getting anymore amalgams replaced." The second sentence is the heart of the matter. It tells us that the question is: Why should an NTI be employed as part of the reconstructive-restorative process for this patient? Roy, you got to the first sentence and I agree with you. But it is in the second sentence of that section where we discover the all important question as it related to the subject: "Amalgam Replacement & NTI TSS...HELP PLEASE!!! What do you think, Roy? On page 393 of "that book", "Only when the questions become more important than the answers will the solutions emerge." Free download if needed: http://4t140241.aspadmin.net/pdf/iatropdf.pdf "The TMJ Iatroepidemic", published 1997 TW > Umm, would it be? > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > | > > | > Tonya Webby, The answer to the second sentence; "He says I need to do this before I consider getting anymore amalgams replaced." lies in the origins of the NTI. The NTI evolved from something called an anterior deprogrammer which keeps the upper and lower teeth apart and "deprograms" the neuromuscular patterns. Keeping the teeth from touching each other for a while with such a device lets the whole system calm down. Only then can one better determine if the problem is related to the muscles, the joints, how the teeth meet or .... Until the good Dr. has a diagnosis he cannot treat the condition. BTW, Okeson spends a good portion of his lecture repeating this concept to the audience. SignatureRoy rem NADA to reply | Hi Roy! I missed this ... I think.... been a busy day here. | [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] | > > sensitivity because my bite is incorrect and it is obvious to me that I | > > have tension and grinding. news:nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-03B1ED.21244006122004@orngca-news04.socal. | > rr.com... | > | Okay, dentists of smd. I have my opinion, but I'd like your opinions. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] | > | > | > | > Tonya Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's the kind of answer I was expecting from the group. Dr. Steve also responded similarly and thoroughly! IMO, this explanation should have been made perfectly clear to the patient by the dentist. Maybe the dentist did explain, but it was too much information for the patient to process; hence, questions that set in after going home. This is not at all unusual in dentistry or medicine. I hope Tonya has followed this discussion. I, for one, would like to know if the thread has been informative to the one who asked for the advice. I also hope that Adenosine has followed along. I'd be interested in his comments upon yours and Dr. Steve's replies. This thread is like what smd is all about ... putting all the pieces of a puzzle together so that we get ... what do we get??? Oh yes, we get a better quality of information!!!! Yeah!!!!!!! And with that, everybody wins!! Webby > Webby, > [quoted text clipped - 122 lines] > | > | > > | > | > Tonya I always ask my patients to email me with any questions which might arise after going home. No one ever does. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's the kind of answer I was expecting from the > group. Dr. Steve also responded similarly and thoroughly! [quoted text clipped - 170 lines] >> | > | > >> | > | > Tonya Maybe they "don't do email"??? Just kidding... that's a great idea and sooner or later you'll get some takers!! People never want to bother their own doctor... so they ask some other doctor hahahaha.... you have to laugh about some of these things, don't you? One time, very late one night when my husband was on call, the phone rang ... nothing usual there. It was one of this patients (well, the parent) who said, and I paraphrase, "We didnt' want to bother our vet so late at night so we thought we'd call you. Our rabbit is sick and we don't know what to do." Yes, sometimes you just have to laugh ....... (at least they were worried about the rabbit!) TW > I always ask my patients to email me with any questions which might arise > after going home. No one ever does. [quoted text clipped - 174 lines] > >> | > | > > >> | > | > Tonya Makes you wonder about the thinking process that occurs in some heads. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > Maybe they "don't do email"??? Just kidding... that's a great idea and > sooner or later you'll get some takers!! People never want to bother [quoted text clipped - 223 lines] >> >> | > | > >> >> | > | > Tonya That is absolutely bizarre! (but still funny) Fawks > One time, very late one night when my husband was on call, the phone > rang ... nothing usual there. It was one of this patients (well, the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > TW Oops! I typed a word wrong. I meant that there was nothing *unusual* with the phone ringing late one night ... One thing for sure, there's no shortage of bizarre stories where that one came from ... ;-) TW > That is absolutely bizarre! (but still funny) > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > TW I bet it would be fun to read a journal of all the "funny" calls and questions. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > Oops! I typed a word wrong. I meant that there was nothing *unusual* > with the phone ringing late one night ... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> > >> > TW Funny you should mention that... someone we both know has been talking about that for a couple years now... maybe you'll get your chance one day soon!! (If someone we know gets busy!!) TW > I bet it would be fun to read a journal of all the "funny" calls and > questions. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >> > > >> > TW cool Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > Funny you should mention that... someone we both know has been talking > about that for a couple years now... maybe you'll get your chance one [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> > >> >> > TW The Tonya-Lady most likely, by now, has had her occlusion totally disrupted by occlusal adjustments without the meticulous use of a removable plastic splint (of some sort). Quite likely, she no longer has a Horger-Synchronous Occlusion. At the first sign of parafunctional discomfort, an occlusal adjustment only worsens the condition. Once parafunctional activity is identified, proper treatment entails the use of a *properly* done splint. About 60% (roughly) of the population will respond well to a traditional splint at this point, but it will require multiple adjustments over the next 2-8 months to stabilize the muscle activity. About 98% (roughly) of the population will respond well to an NTI-TSS splint without no further adjustments after having it *properly* adapted to the mouth. Once the muscle activity is under control (about 2 weeks with an NTI), the occlusion can be properly evaluated. Perhaps, some equilibration will now be required. I have one found one holistic dentist (he is in my neighborhood and is honest and does good work) who either knows how (or cares to bother) getting good margins and good occlusion. So,,,,,,,,,,,,, if Tonya-Lady has been overwhelmed in her desire to follow the three-headed hydra, and she has sought out the services of the average holistic dentist, most likely, she now needs to have a bunch of work done over. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > Okay, dentists of smd. I have my opinion, but I'd like your opinions. > Why would the NTI be useful in this case prior to further restorative [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> Tonya This is more like it!!! Thanks, Dr. Steve. I hope Adenosine is paying attention. TW > The Tonya-Lady most likely, by now, has had her occlusion totally disrupted > by occlusal adjustments without the meticulous use of a removable plastic [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >> > >> Tonya >This is more like it!!! Thanks, Dr. Steve. I hope Adenosine is paying >attention. > >TW If she keeps on using the NTI.... what does it matter what her occlusion is like? Her teeth aren't going to be touching each other for very long. I could understand it if there was a problem while chewing, but I would suspect the poster would say something to the effect of "when I chew I have a tendancy to hit this tooth". I have had that happen before (due to an awful crown) and it is not fun. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? > If she keeps on using the NTI.... what does it matter what her > occlusion is like? Her teeth aren't going to be touching each other [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Adenosine Minor discrepancies will not matter. If the "holistic" dude managed to place composites with zero regard to the occlusal scheme, there may be some need for adjustments. Every once in a great while, a patient will notice an interference in the occlusion after wearing the NTI for a while, and this needs adjustment. Ask George about a certain second and third molar which needed adjustment on a buddy of his. >> If she keeps on using the NTI.... what does it matter what her >> occlusion is like? Her teeth aren't going to be touching each other [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >needs adjustment. Ask George about a certain second and third molar which >needed adjustment on a buddy of his. 2nd molar bruxed to pulpal death. WT huge balancing interference. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com You responded to the "why not?" rather than the "why?". Write to Dr. Boyd and ask him "why?". TW > >This is more like it!!! Thanks, Dr. Steve. I hope Adenosine is paying > >attention. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >Hello, > >I can see that a lot of dentists use this news group, and I hope that >someone can give me advice after years of dental struggles. >It is my firm belief that amalgams leech mercury into the body, Nah. >and I >do not wish to debate this issue. Oh. okay. > I wear a mouth guard that clearly >shows the metals from the amalgams rubbing into it. As a result, I have >decided to have my amalgams replaced and have tried to do this several >times now with several different dentists. Cool. >The first set of amalgams replaced with white composite caused and >aching pain and cold sensitivity for about a year before the pain >subsided. A dentist must be thoroughly versed in "white" technology. >The cold sensitivity remained. I had them replaced again by >another dentist and the cold sensitivity still gives me problems. He [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >upper and bottom teeth and he now says that my teeth are rubbing >together and not the fillings which were replaced. Hah. Parafunction? >He has now suggested NTI TSS to hopefully alleviate some of my teeth >sensitivity because my bite is incorrect and it is obvious to me that I >have tension and grinding. He says I need to do this before I consider >getting anymore amalgams replaced. K. >If anyone has used NTI TSS, your experience with this device would be >helpful as well. I really want to find out what you all think before >spending more money. K. >Thanks you for any information you can give. > >Tonya Can we get back to the leeching part? Joel |
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