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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / December 2004The Once A Week ATTENTION Is Filled With Lies
>Subject: Once a week #2 >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net >Date: 12/6/2004 10:27 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <uw1td.29188$Rf1.24338@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> > >ATTENTION ! ! ! > >For the sake of any new readers to this newsgroup. Jan is a retired >day care owner/operator, (according to her) who makes a lot of noise >about amalgam toxicity. Incorrect. I post the scientific proof of mercury amalgam toxcity. http://tinyurl.com/46pwb >She is not a dentist, has no training in dentistry, >and does not really understand scientific methods. That's a lie. Dr Steve has NOT one single study proving amalgams to be safe, while I have lots of proof and studies that show they are NOT safe. http://tinyurl.com/7xq58 >In addition, she flat >out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue even when the >specific point of discussion does not contradict her own point of view. Another lie. http://tinyurl.com/3rly6 >She >cannot communicate much beyond pasting the words of other people to >responses, even when the quotes do not apply to what is being said. See above. >She, >also, does not give any credit to the person from which she takes these >quotations. Her behavior is very similar to a software program designed > to post specific remarks to key words. Anyone can note, Dr Steve is sour grapes because he refuses to discuss and answer my questions. He is just one of many here who can't. http://tinyurl.com/5ufrd http://tinyurl.com/4kucc >Please be cautious if you choose >to follow any advice presented by her. I have helped others and will continue. http://tinyurl.com/3uezd >Recognize that her views do NOT reflect those of modern dentistry. They are NOT my views, they are written by researchers, Chemists, toxicologists, DDS's and MD's. By oedern dentistry Dr Steve means the lying beliefs of *organized dentistry and medicine* who remain in denial. Their concern is EGO and afraid of being sued for the lies down through the ages. . Her views mirror those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the >innocent. Dr Steve is DISHONEST. I have a message, and it starts with *IF* *IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH! NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of metalin the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol. I did, it saved my life .Mercury is Poisonous.There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together. U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.Mercury is also recovered from discarded products and wastes such aschlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams, fluorescent light tubes, electronicdevices, and others. The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected bycondensation. Condensed mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.* The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount ofmercury in the environment http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm 17. DENTAL AMALGAMDental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPAregulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal Form for its disposal. >If you watch and read carefully, you will see her accuse anyone >who does not agree with all her views (uneducated as they may be) of being a >liar. A total repeated lie. The lies are from the posters own words, and has nothing whatsoever to do with disagreeing. Lies are rampant here. When they are told and I ask for proof, Dr Steve, among others have NO proof. >When that does not get enough attention, she will resort to calling >people "heifer", "Jew-boy", Atheist, queer, etc. Her behavior is certainly >not civil nor compassionate. I am not here for attention, as far as the above, yes if needed I do stand up to ridiculous posters. It should also be noted, Dr Steve says W_B is a naice guy. While he speaks of Slat Lake City Landfill. States it's a damn shame I didn't die. and Well said, mf, well said. I have been called many names. In fact from Sr Steve himself. Dr Steve <nos...@home.net> wrote: > >> I stay out of the Crohn's discussion with her since there obviously > >> would be little sense trying. But, always notice she is nice to all of > >> us. You cannot say that about the three headed hydra. >If you read exactly what her claims are in regard to amalgam toxicity, you >will find that her claims do not make scientific sense. > She claims to have >been healed of neurological defects during the time that her bodily mercury >levels would have been at their highest. No that what Dr Steve claims, I claimed. He has been asked to show proof of this claim, he has none, but still repeats this lie. NOWHERE did I ever say I was cured of anything. <snip more lies> >Even those individuals who would like to see amalgam banned from use, find >her posting methods and refusal to discuss any topics despicable. Proof of that lie is above. >Please recognize that there are far more people sensitive to Penicillin, >latex, peanuts, and even to bananas than there are people sensitive to >dental amalgam and the metals it contains. None of those materials have >been banned, nor will they be banned in the future. Totally irrelevant. Amalgams is the subject. We already have partial bans, for very good reason. The truth is mercury is being eliminated in ALL forms, dentists are the biggest polluters and care not about the enviroment. The reason for this post, is Dr Steve got caught in his own trap. After stating his many lies it is HE who refuses to discuss and can't answer my questons. Jan >>Subject: Once a week #2 >>From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net >>Date: 12/6/2004 10:27 AM Pacific Standard Time >>Message-id: <uw1td.29188$Rf1.24338@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> >>She is not a dentist, has no training in dentistry, >>and does not really understand scientific methods. > >That's a lie. Jan is a dentist. Hmmm. Now who is lying?:-))) >Dr Steve is DISHONEST. Jan is improving. At least she is not calling him a liar:-)) >I have a message, and it starts with *IF* > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >I did, it saved my life Jan did not have mercury poisoning from amalgams. And Jan knows it. While I believe that Jan originally thought she had mercury poisoning, now she realizes she did not. Here is the proof in her own words: >>>Subject: Mercury Levels Highest After Amalgam Removal >>>From: Mark Thorson nospam@sonic.net [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >>Tell us something we didn't already know. Well if Jan knows that mercury levels increase after removal of amalgams and don't decline to pre-operative levels for a month how does she explain the following. >On June 17-18, 1999 Jan Drew had eight amalgams removed. Jan said that >just before the removal of amalgams that she was bedridden. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>THANK GOD, my feet didn't hurt! I >>felt alive again. What a blessing! The removal of eight amalgams should have made a difference. But the difference it would have made would be making Jan feel WORSE a week later when the mercury would be flooding into her system. But instead of making her feel worse she went from bedfast to line dancing. >>How do I know it was the metal? Because my mercury level was monitored by my >>MD, it was only AFTER the metal was removed that it started dropping and I >>started to regain my health. >Jan >http://tinyurl.com/6n3ax Let's see. Jan felt better than she had in two years BEFORE her mercury level dropped. Jan went from bedridden to line dancing with no more foot pain (soon to return since placebo responses are short lived) a week after eight amalgams were removed when even according to Jan Drew, her mercury level was higher than before she had the amalgams out. >What was that proof that Jan DRew was asking for?? Kaboom!! > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Rich ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? >>>Subject: Once a week #2 >>>From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>That's a lie. >>Jan Thou shalt not lie. Aloha, Rich ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? >>>>Subject: Once a week #2 >>>>From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Thou shalt not lie. Unlesseth thouest art a membereth of Ye Goode Olde Boye ande Girle Clubbe. >Aloha, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >A: Top-posting. >Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? >>She is not a dentist, has no training in dentistry, >>and does not really understand scientific methods. > > That's a lie. It plainly is not. >>In addition, she flat >>out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue even when the >>specific point of discussion does not contradict her own point of view. > > Another lie. It plainly is not. > Anyone can note, Dr Steve is sour grapes because he refuses to discuss and > answer my questions. He is just one of many here who can't. Absolute rubbish - there must be 20 posts of his trying to discuss it - and you always refuse or change the subject. Get a life >>>She is not a dentist, has no training in dentistry, >>>and does not really understand scientific methods. >> >> That's a lie. > >It plainly is not. Jan has a DDS: "Doctor" of Dental Stupidity. It is an "honorary" degree granted by the esteemed dentists of smd. Aloha, Rich ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? >Subject: Re: The Once A Week ATTENTION Is Filled With Lies >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >It plainly is not. I have posted MORE sccientifc proof of the dangers of amalgams than any that I know of. >>>In addition, she flat >>>out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue even when the >>>specific point of discussion does not contradict her own point of view. >Another lie. > >It plainly is not. http://tinyurl.com/3rly6 >> Anyone can note, Dr Steve is sour grapes because he refuses to discuss and >> answer my questions. He is just one of many here who can't. >Absolute rubbish - there must be 20 posts of his trying to discuss it - and >you always refuse or change the subject. http://tinyurl.com/5ufrd >>Subject: Re: The Once A Week ATTENTION Is Filled With Lies >>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I have posted MORE sccientifc proof of the dangers of amalgams than any that I >know of. LOL!! Jan thinks that cut and pasting means that she "really understands the scientific method". If Jan was a normal person I would ask her to describe the scientific method and how to evaluate whether a study is valid. She is not so I won't. Jan Drew's idea of a valid study is one that reinforces her pre-existing ideas and agenda. Jan's idea of an invalid study is one that disagrees with her pre-existing ideas and agenda in which she usually uses the evil organized dentistry to justify her rejection of the study. Scientific objectivity at its finest:-))) Aloha, Rich ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? 1 >Subject: Re: The Once A Week ATTENTION Is Filled With Lies >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net >Date: 12/6/2004 1:53 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <6x4td.29315$Rf1.29135@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> > > 1 2 >Subject: Once a week #2 >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >day care owner/operator, (according to her) who makes a lot of noise >about amalgam toxicity. Incorrect. I post the scientific proof of mercury amalgam toxcity. http://tinyurl.com/46pwb >She is not a dentist, has no training in dentistry, >and does not really understand scientific methods. That's a lie. Dr Steve has NOT one single study proving amalgams to be safe, while I have lots of proof and studies that show they are NOT safe. http://tinyurl.com/7xq58 >In addition, she flat >out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue even when the >specific point of discussion does not contradict her own point of view. Another lie. http://tinyurl.com/3rly6 >She >cannot communicate much beyond pasting the words of other people to >responses, even when the quotes do not apply to what is being said. See above. >She, >also, does not give any credit to the person from which she takes these >quotations. Her behavior is very similar to a software program designed > to post specific remarks to key words. Anyone can note, Dr Steve is sour grapes because he refuses to discuss and answer my questions. He is just one of many here who can't. http://tinyurl.com/5ufrd http://tinyurl.com/4kucc >Please be cautious if you choose >to follow any advice presented by her. I have helped others and will continue. http://tinyurl.com/3uezd >Recognize that her views do NOT reflect those of modern dentistry. They are NOT my views, they are written by researchers, Chemists, toxicologists, DDS's and MD's. By oedern dentistry Dr Steve means the lying beliefs of *organized dentistry and medicine* who remain in denial. Their concern is EGO and afraid of being sued for the lies down through the ages. . Her views mirror those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the >innocent. Dr Steve is DISHONEST. I have a message, and it starts with *IF* *IF* you have an unanswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH! NOT by a mainstream dentist, but an Alt. dentist who KNOWS the dangers of metalin the mouth and root canals, and follows correct protocol. I did, it saved my life .Mercury is Poisonous.There is NO safe form of Mercury in living tissue.The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together. U151 identifies mercury as a toxic waste.Mercury is also recovered from discarded products and wastes such aschlor-alkali wastes, dental amalgams, fluorescent light tubes, electronicdevices, and others. The mercury is vaporized in a retort and collected bycondensation. Condensed mercury is then distilled to remove impurities.* The Environmental Protection Agency is working to reduce the amount ofmercury in the environment http://www.ehs.ucsf.edu/Manuals/CSM/Csm_Chapter9.htm 17. DENTAL AMALGAMDental amalgams are mixtures of mercury with silver tin alloy. Cal-EPAregulates them as ***chemical waste.*** Submit Chemical Waste Removal Form for its disposal. >If you watch and read carefully, you will see her accuse anyone >who does not agree with all her views (uneducated as they may be) of being a >liar. A total repeated lie. The lies are from the posters own words, and has nothing whatsoever to do with disagreeing. Lies are rampant here. When they are told and I ask for proof, Dr Steve, among others have NO proof. >When that does not get enough attention, she will resort to calling >people "heifer", "Jew-boy", Atheist, queer, etc. Her behavior is certainly >not civil nor compassionate. I am not here for attention, as far as the above, yes if needed I do stand up to ridiculous posters. It should also be noted, Dr Steve says W_B is a naice guy. While he speaks of Slat Lake City Landfill. States it's a damn shame I didn't die. and Well said, mf, well said. I have been called many names. In fact from Sr Steve himself. > >> I stay out of the Crohn's discussion with her since there obviously > >> would be little sense trying. But, always notice she is nice to all of > >> us. You cannot say that about the three headed hydra. >If you read exactly what her claims are in regard to amalgam toxicity, you >will find that her claims do not make scientific sense. > She claims to have >been healed of neurological defects during the time that her bodily mercury >levels would have been at their highest. No that what Dr Steve claims, I claimed. He has been asked to show proof of this claim, he has none, but still repeats this lie. NOWHERE did I ever say I was cured of anything. <snip more lies> >Even those individuals who would like to see amalgam banned from use, find >her posting methods and refusal to discuss any topics despicable. Proof of that lie is above. >Please recognize that there are far more people sensitive to Penicillin, >latex, peanuts, and even to bananas than there are people sensitive to >dental amalgam and the metals it contains. None of those materials have >been banned, nor will they be banned in the future. Totally irrelevant. Amalgams is the subject. We already have partial bans, for very good reason. The truth is mercury is being eliminated in ALL forms, dentists are the biggest polluters and care not about the enviroment. The reason for this post, is Dr Steve got caught in his own trap. After stating his many lies it is HE who refuses to discuss and can't answer my questons. Jan 4 No offence intended but are you aware of how much a waste of time it is to click on your link only to find an empty post. I understand that you are responding to Jan's posts with nothing but it really serves no *useful* purpose. I realize that it only takes a second to see that your post is empty but if you do it hundreds of times (every time Jan responds) you are going to discourage people from reading your posts. If you really want to ignore Jan Drew then just ignore her. All you are doing is telling Jan that you are reading her posts. I realize that it is very frustrating dealing with this pathologic woman but there is an effective way to do it. Aloha, Rich ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Hey Steve - I think your weekly post needs a little cleaning up. It would be nice to address all the points but leave it so nothing in it can be rebutted or refuted. If you wish, I'll send a different version to you this week. You can use whatever you wish from it. I don't mean to be curt - school's out and the chairs are full later Dan That would be fine with me. I see it as a work in progress. It sort of just was off the cuff one day, and I never put more time into it. I would love to see a group effort.  Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > > Hey Steve - [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Dan > That would be fine with me. I see it as a work in progress. It sort of > just was off the cuff one day, and I never put more time into it. I would > love to see a group effort. In my own way, that's what I've done. There is no denying the toxicity of Mercury, just as there is no way of proving that it is not. I feel it is pointless to argue on those grounds. I have posted a couple of rebuttals dealing more with the unrealistic wishes of these people on medical/legal and quality of treatment grounds: I cannot decide to place compomers or other fillings in kids' mouths and then charge the RAMQ the Am tarrif. That would be fraud. Similarly, placing a composite in a wet and bloody field where I'm sure that restoration will fail is also being unprofessional, to say the least, in that one cannot truthfully say that restoration will last and be of real service to the patient. There is no ideal restoration, and some are better than others, but until an amalgam-like compound is developed that has these desired properties and is accepted by my government's dental insurance program( for children and welfare cases), I must continue to use Am where I have no other choice. That is the bottom line, unless these anti-Am-ites are able to do something about that, other than talk. Cheers SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet Can't we all just get along? You guys and girls look like a bunch of dogs chasing their tails. weezie >Can't we all just get along? > >You guys and girls look like a bunch of dogs chasing their tails. >weezie I always knew the hydra was a real b*tch. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >>Subject: Once a week #2 >>From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >I post the scientific proof of mercury amalgam toxcity. ... and BREAK DANCING ...... >http://tinyurl.com/46pwb > [quoted text clipped - 163 lines] > >Jan Joel, I think you're the one obsessed with break dancing! -Weezie >Joel, I think you're the one obsessed with break dancing! Nah, I am just breaking up the monotony .... with more monotony! Joel >-Weezie |
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