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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / December 2004Joel Eichen A disgrace To The Dental Profession
Is a blathering fool. From an HONEST dentist who used to post here: I hope most open-minded people will view Joel's attempts to characterise the PHS report as proving that amalgams are safe, as a gross misrepresentation of the facts. People who rely on professionals to know their stuff, deserve better. Hi Judge Joel, You are representing the most prejudicial attitude I saw in a long time. Did you get that from being a judge during the witch- processes in a former life, or what? Either you are grossly misinformed or you are intentionally spreading blatant lies. Hans ===== Dear Dr. Eichen, >> It's unfortunate that you don't have anything more constructive to do >> with your life other than amusing yourself and your colleague dentists >> by doing internet searches of my name. Am I really that important? I'm >> flattered!!! >> >> The bridge incident was no a laughing matter, it was police abuse. For >> your information, the "bridge" incident was overturned by an honest >> judge in superior court, who was outraged by the police action. >> >> I recommend that you do something more constructive and positive with >> your time to help humanity. Why don't you help your colleagues by >> informing them of the truth about the toxicity of their daily exposure >> to mercury from working with amalgam, including your own exposure. > >Yep, well said. She nailed you good. > >> Frankly, you're an embarrassment to your profession and a danger to >> the public if you are placing mercury amalgam fillings. Haven't you >> read the most recent reports from Sweden, Norway and other countries >> who have for years warned against placing amalgam fillings in children >> and pregnant women.... these countries are banning the use of mercury >> amalgams. Refer your colleagues to WWW.TOXICTEETH.ORG, WWW.TESTFOUNDATION.ORG, >> WWW.IAOMT.ORG, http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/indexa.html, >> and give them the studies which show that dentists have the highest >> rate of suicide professionaly in this country. >> >> I suggest you keep up with the significant news of the day.....or are >> you still reading comic books. === To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make a complete fool out of himself, Wrong again ! Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" ! If you cannot support your repeated allegations I can only conclude you made a pretty big fool out of yourself - again ! Cheers, Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >The readers will decide! Indeed ! The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what you thought that I said. Sofar you have not been able to point out anything, in spite of all your re-postings, to support what you claim I said. And I'm still waiting! Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >At least we settled ... I've been settling fine all along. I am waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right. Or to watch you trying to wiggle your way of this. So Joel, which one will it be? Joel wrote: >Hans said Dentatus should be inserted, preferably with tweezers Hans replied: >Not with one word did I reveal how I work with the Dentatus. Not >one single word! Neither did I mention the word "tweezers" ! Still waiting .... Hans Joel M. Eichen wrote: >Funny. Hans turning the circumstance around . . . . That was a nice attempt to wiggle. What's next? Sill waiting for you to prove that your allegations are right. Or to keep on watching you wiggle until you smoke yourself. Which one is next? Smoke or standard smokescreen? Hans Everything else here is Joel's attempts to make a huge smokescreen so no one will spot him in his attempts to pry his foot out of his mouth. Thats all there is >Nelson wrote: > >>I had to unblock Joel to remove his expected excuse for attacking me >>non-public in private e-mail and copied the following to see his style in >>the group for all to see. As usual, he ignors the question asked and starts >>quoting the same BS. >>I never said what you state below I said. Let me rephrase the question. >>Are you saying mercury does no hard to the human body? NOw that is the >>question, Joel. Please a simple answer. If the government agencies, "CDC, >>USPHS and 53 dental schools" say something, it means it is absolutely the >>truth? What an obsurd correlation made by you. >>Notice how the comment by LD Pankey was taken completely out of context. A >>quote of a man was given about whether a person can change much (I was >>referring to you, Joel) and you make the ignorant statement you did about >>what he taught. Precisely because you have not studied what he taught and >>yet have a strong judgement against him shows your ignorance and predjudice. >>Do not put words in my mouth or characterize what I saw differently than >>actually said for your own means. I believe the reason the CDC, USPHS, >>being government agencies, will err on the side of caution before they state >>that amalgam is harmful. Quite frankly, I do not think it a lot more >>harmful than the air breathed in Southern California. This doesn't make the >>air in Southern California clean, though. I suppose you are an expert on >>the air in Southern California and will state that since the air quality is >>in "acceptable limits" and there isn't a cig alert (limit activities and >>stay inside as much as possible) that there is nothing wrong with the air. >>I choose to not do amalgams because I believe the difference between them >>and today's resins (less than 1/3 the occl table) are not significant enough >>to place a known toxin in someones mouth. This is a personal decision. I >>also do a lot of gold work and, probably unlike you Joel, I trust my >>patients and they pay me $50 a month and we do good dentistry. >>I am blocking you from my personal e-mail access, but will let the newsgroup >>stay open for a while so you can prove why you are probably the most blocked >>smd user of all time. I respect your right to state an opinion, I just >>don't have to read it. >>Other comments in text: Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile From: "Dr. Steve" smancus.takeout@home.msen.com Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time Message-id: <v7fo43feqokq88@corp.supernews.com> See Joel??? Your constant ridiculous cross posting of stuff no one but you is interested in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the Eichen cross posting news. >Is a blathering fool. .... but JAN,,, DO tell us about your latest foray into Break Dancing ........ >From an HONEST dentist who used to post here: >To everyone who do not understand why Joel wants to make >a complete fool out of himself, > >Wrong again ! Show me where I ever used the word "tweezers" ! Jan you tweeze while Break Dancing, right? >Indeed ! >The fun part is that this is all about your mind - what [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Hans YUP Break Dancing is key. If you can Break Dance, there is no amalgam poison. >Subject: Re: Outta here for awhile >Date: 3/18/03 10:17 PM US Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: <v7fo43feqokq88@corp.supernews.com> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the >Eichen cross posting news. WHOT Jan? >Is a blathering fool. >One of the biggest reasons people criticize or put down others is to build >themselves up. Quite often they are not sure of themselves, so it is an easy >way to feel important. >Your words come back to bite you. > >Jan ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Regarding top-posting,,,,,,,,,,,,, if you are keeping up with the discussion, you can read and run. I, for instance, will keep up with the NG in the 2-8 minutes of free time between appointments scattered through out the day. If the responses are top-posted, and I have kept up with the discussion, I can click the post, read the response without scrolling, and keep going. I only need to scroll down if I have forgotten part of the preceding message.  Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>Is a blathering fool. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Regarding top-posting,,,,,,,,,,,,, if you are keeping up with the discussion, you can read and run. I, for instance, will keep up with the NG in the 2-8 minutes of free time between appointments scattered through out the day. If the responses are top-posted, and I have kept up with the discussion, I can click the post, read the response without scrolling, and keep going. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. >Regarding top-posting,,,,,,,,,,,,, if you are keeping up with the >discussion, you can read and run. And if you are not keeping up with the discussion it makes it much more difficult to read and understand. Netiquette (tm) strongly discourages top posting for that reason. When there are dozens of different threads going on it makes it difficult even if you are keeping up with the discussion to know what the comment referred to. Aloha, Rich PS: Note I also changed the subject (It was "Joel is a disgrace") in order to more accurately describe the current discussion. With the change in subject it would make it difficult even if you were following the discussion if you top posted. ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? I don't care > >Regarding top-posting,,,,,,,,,,,,, if you are keeping up with the > >discussion, you can read and run. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? either way. carabelli >I don't care REPLY I do not know .... and I do not care ...... >> >Regarding top-posting,,,,,,,,,,,,, if you are keeping up with the >> >discussion, you can read and run. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >carabelli >Subject: Re: Top posting >From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not >Date: 12/6/2004 2:24 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <f_4td.97127$7i4.35682@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> > >I don't care >either way. > >carabelli Poor Rich is just showing another of his tactics, because we have a very honest posted who Rich disagrees with and he is also doing his usual belittling.. His pattern. Jan >Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like >sh.tting in your pants because that's where your a.shole happened to be." Aloha, Rich >>Regarding top-posting,,,,,,,,,,,,, if you are keeping up with the >>discussion, you can read and run. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Rich Top posting is evil and all, but so are off topic threads about netequette Nazism. There, thread's over, Hitler/Nazi's were mentioned. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >Top posting is evil and all, but so are off topic threads about >netequette Nazism. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Adenosine >Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Better a topper than a bottomer ,,, err bottom-feeder. >Top posting is evil and all, but so are off topic threads about >netequette Nazism. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >-- >Adenosine Godwin. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >Subject: Re: Joel Eichen A disgrace To The Dental Profession >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>> >>>Jan Richard H Jacobson has been bit many times. He words are nuked. However, I still have them. His lies have been exposed, Furthermore: As usual Rich just proved himself to be a cyberstalker. Now for top posting. Richard H Jacobson's words. >Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like >sh.tting in your pants because that's where your a.shole happened to be." Jan > Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like > sh.tting in your pants because that's where your a.shole happened to be." Good one Jan. Pretty funny. Aloha, Rich ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? >> Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like >> sh.tting in your pants because that's where your a.shole happened to be." [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >A: Top-posting. >Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? REPLY Rich that is so funny ...... did Jan write that>??? >>> Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like >>> sh.tting in your pants because that's where your a.shole happened to be." [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Rich that is so funny ...... did Jan write that>??? I think that Jan did write that, but only as a direct quote from Rich. from groups.google.com... >Lines: 41 >X-Admin: n...@aol.com [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >Jan Now, who knows if Jan was being truthful there... the saying seems to be pretty common, looking at the search results... -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Guess so! Jan on the subject ...... Searched all groups Results 1 - 10 of 355 for that's where your a.shole happened to be jan drew (0.19 seconds) Sorted by relevance Sort by date Six-year old killed by misinformation ... Jan Drew, Scudamore, and yourself are piss-ants. ... the cursor happened to be is like sh.tting in your pants because that's where your a.shole happened to be ... misc.health.alternative - Dec 11 2003, 9:32 pm by Jan - 157 messages - 15 authors Anti-biotics ... Hey, a.shole, what is your ... You are lying in order to further Kaalga's lie and demonstrate that beautifully in your Evasion of confirmation. ... misc.health.alternative - Sep 30, 1:06 am by Jan - 7 messages - 5 authors Jan Drew On Top Posting (Wa Re: Joel Eichen A disgrace To The ... ... at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like sh.tting in your pants because that's where your a.shole happened to be." Good one Jan. ... sci.med.dentistry - Dec 6, 10:58 pm by Adenosine - 18 messages - 7 authors >>>> Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like >>>> sh.tting in your pants because that's where your a.shole happened to be." [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >Now, who knows if Jan was being truthful there... the saying seems to >be pretty common, looking at the search results... >Guess so! > >Jan on the subject ...... > >Searched all groups Results 1 - 10 of 355 for that's where your >a.shole happened to be jan drew (0.19 seconds) -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE Nah, but I do not know what else to say about mercury fillings except they are no good on uppers (mercury is a liquid and falls DOWN) and it causes Break Dancing difficulties, so I am told. Joel >>Guess so! >> >>Jan on the subject ...... >> >>Searched all groups Results 1 - 10 of 355 for that's where your >>a.shole happened to be jan drew (0.19 seconds) >>> Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like >>> sh.tting in your pants because that's where your a.shole happened to be." [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Rich that is so funny ...... did Jan write that>??? Indeed. I think it was the time when she was giving herself the coffee enemas. Cue Jan to call me a liar because it was before she used the enemas. Aloha, Rich ----------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? >>REPLY >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Rich OK, the music is playing ......... JAN??? When people search the archives with a particular email address, the beginning of the post shows up as a "teaser" ... if you want people thinking that someone else wrote the first line or two belonging to your address, you will likely post reply at the bottom or anywhere other than the top. If you want the reader to see a small sample of what you had to saw regarding the Subject line, you will post on the top. I used to have strong feelings about this. I no longer feel as strongly about it. TW > Regarding top-posting,,,,,,,,,,,,, if you are keeping up with the > discussion, you can read and run. I, for instance, will keep up with the NG [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > discussion, I can click the post, read the response without scrolling, and > keep going. OH MY GOD ,, you are right! Joel >When people search the archives with a particular email address, the >beginning of the post shows up as a "teaser" ... if you want people [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> discussion, I can click the post, read the response without scrolling, and >> keep going. I am top posting so that my words are linked with my email address. (I failed to see that the subject line changed and added my two cents to the original subject line.) TW > OH MY GOD ,, you are right! > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >> discussion, I can click the post, read the response without scrolling, and > >> keep going. I top post. >I used to have strong feelings about this. I no longer feel as strongly >about it. > >TW And bottom post An Equal Opportunity Offender. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE Where anyone posts is not as important as it once was. In fact, posting is not as important as it once was. Posting to usenet is becoming more like talking to a stranger on the sidewalk in the middle of an unfamiliar city. No one really cares what anyone says, no one will remember who said anything in particular, and no one knows who anyone else is, and no one wants to be known as anyone in particular. The Google-God is gobbling usenet history ... ever so slowly ... but nevertheless, gobbling usenet history. One day, there won't be any usenet history in the archive that means anything at all. TW > I top post. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE >Where anyone posts is not as important as it once was. In fact, posting >is not as important as it once was. Posting to usenet is becoming more >like talking to a stranger on the sidewalk in the middle of an >unfamiliar city. Good one! Very descriptive. > No one really cares what anyone says, no one will >remember who said anything in particular, and no one knows who anyone [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >TW Still, I had to retrieve an old post and it took me five seconds ..... Here it is, No dentist? Get one this week! Only 1 message in topic Joel M. Eichen Oct 30 1998, 12:00 am show options Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry From: j...@earthlink.net (Joel M. Eichen) Date: 1998/10/30 Subject: No dentist? Get one this week! Reply | Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse No dentist? Get one this week! Pronto. I always recommend that everyone get in touch with a friendly and helpful dentist as soon as possible. If you do not have a dentist (45% of Americans), get an appointment and get your teeth checked. If you can't go for the $4,000. treatment plan, just tell the Doc in regular plain old English, "Its not in my budget." But get an idea about what problems might be there. If the doctor-patient relationship is not working for you, you still got time to hop off the train and hop onto the bus. If you wait until you have a real dental emergency, then you are caught. You are going to be in the train station before you know it. You do not have enough time to check out the best place (or way of getting there) for you. Some more amusing thoughts about, "Getting some new patients." The time was the late 60s. A new patient called for an appointment. "Jim Garrison sent me," he said. I thought about it for a minute. Jim Garrison? Who was Jim Garrison? It didn't remind me of anyone I knew. Perhaps this was a neighbor or even a referral from a nearby business owner. Next week, another patient with the same story. "Jim Garrison sent me." On and on. Over the next several weeks, there were 5 or 6 more. By this point I was just too baffled for words. Then one day, a phone call. Another new patient. "Your name?" "Jim Garrison." The day arrived. This dude came over for his dental visit. Afterwards, I was kind of cool. I casually asked, "Thanks for sending over so many nice referrals. By the way, I'm curious. You've already referred me 7-8 patients and you don't even know me. What's up?" "Precisely," he said. "I sent my friends over and then I asked them the important question." "What's that?" "How'd you like the new dentist?" We both laughed. He remained a patient for many years. Of course those days are gone. This was over 30 years ago, but I can still remember seeing his face, his expression and hearing his voice. One day, he needed to have a wisdom tooth removed. The week before the appointment, he said, "Now I am going to have a chance to rate you for myself. I do not know anyone who needs a wisdom tooth removed." It went okay. I had another guy who was a long-standing patient who had sent me at least 20 referrals. The only problem was that this guy only came to the office one time every 3-4 years. When he did come, I had a nice choice of cavities to fill. You see, he had a large cavity in every single tooth in his mouth. Perhaps, I could have motivated him better, but probably not. I was content to be his "once-in-a-while dentist" and accept all of those nice referrals. The only thing that bothered me was the embarrassment when he told his friends about his "great dentist." I imagined their look of disbelief when he flashed his beautiful smile with huge cavities in every tooth. So it goes. We frequently had the situation where an older practitioner in the neighborhood retired or became ill. I'd get a call from that office (possibly from the doctor's wife) thanking me and apologizing for sending over so many patients! "I know that you guys are so busy, but thanks for making some time for our patients, too." It was that kind of world. We did our best to help one another. We were appreciative of those who helped us too. Cheers, Joel Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. PS- I frequently worked 12 and 14 hour days. I had associates who helped out so I could take some 3 or 4 day weekends. It was a pretty fulfilling type of practice. Reply Details: Show quoted text | View source | Unwrap Lines | Forward End of messages watch this topic >> I top post. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> Take out the G'RBAGE We miss those kinds of postings from Joel Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>Where anyone posts is not as important as it once was. In fact, posting [quoted text clipped - 157 lines] >>> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>> Take out the G'RBAGE >We miss those kinds of postings from Joel Thanks yeah. Those Readers' Digest-type postings were fun. That was back in the day ~ ~ when usenet was filled with patients with questions, and more and more doctors who might appreciate those stories ~ ~ the message was to get a regular dentist for your dental care and forget the BUSINESS of DENTISTRY. Guess what? I lost that battle. Joel >~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. >Troy, Michigan, USA >.................................................... >>We miss those kinds of postings from Joel > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Joel I don't think you ever lost that battle. You have just been busy looking at the bill-boards painted over the windows, rather than peaking in to see what is going on inside. Spend less time with Hydra and more time with patients. > >>We miss those kinds of postings from Joel > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the bill-boards painted over the windows, rather than peaking in to see what > is going on inside. Spend less time with Hydra and more time with patients. .... and don't forget to floss your teeth.... ;-) SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet Who did you lose that battle to??? I don't think you did. TW > >We miss those kinds of postings from Joel > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Troy, Michigan, USA > >.................................................... >Who did you lose that battle to??? I don't think you did. >TW The older discussions were very detailed and went on forever. That was good. Now very few people are interested in protracted discussions ...... ONLY US! Your post should be reposted solo! Would you do that, please? TW [nothing snipped, clipped, or cut] > >Where anyone posts is not as important as it once was. In fact, posting > >is not as important as it once was. Posting to usenet is becoming more [quoted text clipped - 155 lines] > >> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > >> Take out the G'RBAGE > remember who said anything in particular, and no one knows who anyone > else is, and no one wants to be known as anyone in particular. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > TW [rrrrant] Looks like you hit the Usnet SuperHighway when things were the Wild Wild Web. Now it's no longer the world's best kept secret, it's a marketing tool. Example: it seems to me that A-D said that Jim Boyd is now on DentalTown, of all places, and so are some of the other big guns in Dentistry.... Figures; they'll get more converts over there than here... It is a pity that even amoung dentists; if it doesn't glitter, it's not gold... [/rrrrrant] As far as UseNet history goes, maybe you should write another book about that before the second generation of on-line'ers are too old to appreciate the early days of internet communications. JMO SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet > > remember who said anything in particular, and no one knows who anyone > > else is, and no one wants to be known as anyone in particular. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > JMO > SP It seems so simple when we tune in to our newsgroup, doesn't it? -- Few encounters in life are as simple as they may seem. Your comments are appreciated, SP. TW You are a SANDWICH poster then ...... Joel >I top post. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >An Equal Opportunity Offender. I top post with OE and bottom post with Agent. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > > I top post. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE >Is a blathering fool. > [quoted text clipped - 160 lines] >in has driven more people off this forum. Before long. it will be just the >Eichen cross posting news. That's the problem with bottom posters ,,,, I scrolled and not a single word from Jan! NOT ONE. |
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