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W_B - 02 Dec 2004 17:17 GMT Recommend adding:
CZ CMSRP Advocate
Who is on board ?
Dec.03, 2004
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Advocate147 - 02 Dec 2004 17:19 GMT What is there a moratorium on?
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Linda - 02 Dec 2004 17:22 GMT Sure - I'm in. I think I know what's going on ... But we need Dr. Steve's form letter to be posted every now and then, right? So newbies are informed. Linda.
> Recommend adding: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE W_B - 02 Dec 2004 23:07 GMT Agreed.
>Sure - I'm in. >I think I know what's going on ... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> Take out the G'RBAGE --
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W_B - 02 Dec 2004 17:34 GMT >Recommend adding: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Dec.03, 2004 Add Speedy to that list.
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carabelli - 02 Dec 2004 19:23 GMT >>Recommend adding: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > W_B Yup
RS will dissappear when some of this CX threading dissappears
carabelli
Adenosine - 02 Dec 2004 19:26 GMT >>>Recommend adding: >>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >carabelli But I enjoy talking to RS!
Guess I just like feeding the trolls, better slap myself.
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
StovePipe - 03 Dec 2004 06:01 GMT > >RS will dissappear when some of this CX threading dissappears > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Guess I just like feeding the trolls, better slap myself. Begin:Rant Then perhaps you should do it on _their_ side... I cannot believe the amount of bullshit that has traffic-ed across the SMD this week... and I am in no real position to say 'WTF are these riff-raff doing here?...', as I often post 100 percent clowning horse-dung as well, but that is truly how I feel. I don't want to sound prejudiced, but a lot of these posters are welfare rejects who have nothing better to do than clog up the Usenet bandwidth. SWNMNBM is a prime example. Again, I can't claim any devine rights here just because I am a dentist, but it is now to the point where I am not reading most of the posts, or picking a reg's response at random to see if the thread is worth wasting time on, and that decision is coming up more often in the negative than the positive.
I've made a solemn decision to stop feeding the above-mentioned in the SMD (the only NG I make time for, and I am not connected at the clinique), and I strongly suggest the regs do the same.
I MAY even (dare I say it....) stop clowning and trying to make people chuckle a bit, if it will help bring the SMD back to some semblance of .....worthiness.... and that is about the best word I can think of to describe what the SMD is losing, IMO.
Killing obnoxious posters is not the answer. I have nobody in killed mode. I ignore the riff raff and that is all. I think posting alternate opinions to the steam roller posters' rants is the most appropriate way of battling the ignorance they propagate. OK, End Rant Cheers SP
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Jan - 03 Dec 2004 07:47 GMT >StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe)
>Killing obnoxious posters is not the answer LOLOLOL, everyone here except Steve Bornfeld would be killfiled.
>f battling the ignorance they propagate. http://www.vimy-dentistry.com/nhanesstudy.htm
The Link Between Dental Fillings and Disease
Author: Ernie Mezei B.Sc. B.A.Sc
Mr. Mezei is a chemist and electrical engineer working in the high-tech industry in Toronto, Canada.
NHANES III SCREENINGS – “THE WAY THINGS ARE”. NO B.S. STUDIES. THE TRUTH ABOUT
DENTAL FILLINGS AND DISEASE. COST: $120 MILLION DOLLARS TO COLLECT.
On graphs below: None = No Fillings, 1-7 = 1 Filling, 8-16 = 2-3 Fillings, 17-33 = 4-5 Fillings, 34-up = 6 or more Fillings
(Reason is filled surfaces were used. There are 140 filled surfaces, corresponding to all 28 teeth, in the mouth)
Preamble: A search of the Internet confirmed that the survey used to create this paper cost $120,000,000 US Dollars to collect:
The National Center for Health Statistics of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announces the availability of additional data files from the third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III) These additional data files include the Household Adult Questionnaire, the Household Youth Questionnaire and the remaining Dietary files. These data files are from the full six years of the NHANES III, 1988-94 and contain nearly all the data collected in the NHANES III including the following previously released survey components: Laboratory, Physician's examination, Body Measurements, Total Nutrient Intakes, Mobile Examination Center (MEC) Proxy Questionnaire, Dental Examination, Allergy Skin Test, Audiometry, Tympanometry, WISC/WRAT Cognitive Tests, Spirometry, MEC Youth Questionnaire, Dietary Food Frequency, Diagnostic Interview Schedule (DIS), MEC Adult Questionnaire, Bone Densitometry, Home Examination, Gallbladder Ultrasonography, Central Nervous System Function Evaluation, Fundus Photography, Physical Function Evaluation as well as selected demographic data, population weights and strata-PSU codes. The Total Nutrient Intake data has been revised to correct rounding errors in the previous release of this data. For further information call the Data Dissemination Branch at 301-436-8500. Data will be released July 28, 1997. Two months on CD ROMs will cost approximately $25. The data cost $120 million to collect. NHANES IV will be pretested in March 1998 and will be in the field by September 1998. The study will run six years, and U.S. estimates can be made with each year of data.
1.0 Introduction
For nearly two centuries, the profession of dentistry has been at war with itself. Now, as then, there are charges that charlatans have invaded the profession and are undermining the scientific standards upon which it is based. Today, any dentist who removes mercury dental fillings from a patient for health reasons is charged as Unethical, and faces expulsion from the American Dental Association (ADA). In 1850, any dentist who placed mercury dental fillings in a patient was charged as unethical and expelled from the American Society of Dental Surgeons (ASDS), the forerunner of the ADA.
The reason for this controversy is longstanding, and simple: Mercury Dental Fillings, also known as Silver Amalgam, contain 50% Mercury, and mercury is the most toxic non-radioactive element towards human life. However, the fact that Mercury is a poison has not been proof that Dental Amalgam is a poison, until now. I looked at the Survivor Rates using the International Classification of Disease Codes (ICD-9-CM) from the U.S. National Health and Nutritional Exam Survey 3 (NHANES III), and found dramatic differences in dental filling rates for people suffering from a variety of diseases, as compared to the dental fillings rate in the general population. The NHANES III sample represents 180,072,328 Adult Americans, who are the General Adult Population 17 Years of age and older between 1988 and 1994.
I found the General Population is 22% Filling-Free, and almost all major disease groups were either Above or Below this number. If Dental Fillings had no effect on health, all disease groups would be at 22% Filling-Free, which is clearly not the case.
In summary, the Larger the Survivor Group for a Particular Disease (ie Circulatory Illness), the more this group is Filling-Free compared to the General Population.
Example: For Circulatory Disease, the Survivor Group in the United States has a size of 27,200,000. The Filling-Free percentage is 33% in this population, the remaining 67% have Dental Fillings. The General Population of 180,072,328 Adult Americans is only 22% Filling-Free, while 78% have dental fillings.
I also found that the Smaller the Survivor Group, the more this group has Dental-Fillings compared to the General Population:
Example: For ICD Codes 340-349, “Other disorders of the central nervous system”, which includes Multiple Sclerosis, Other demyelinating diseases of central nervous system, Other paralytic syndromes, Epilepsy, Migraine, Cataplexy and narcolepsy, Cerebral cysts, and Other and unspecified disorders of the nervous system, the Population Size is 1,600,000. In this survivor group, fully 95% have Dental Fillings, as compared to 78% in the General Adult American Population of 180,072,328.
It is the stark increased ABSENCE of Dental Fillings in the Circulatory Disease Survivors and the simultaneous increased PRESENCE of Dental Fillings in the MS/Paralysis/Seizures/Migraines Survivors that is cause for alarm. The General Population has a Filling Rate of 78%, and yet in these two survivor groups the filling rates are 67% and 95% respectively. Clearly, something is occurring.
The differences between the Large Survivor Groups and Smaller Survivor Groups are even more dramatic when you consider that the Large Groups are surviving illnesses which are acute, and often fatal. People don’t “live” with Heart Disease like they do with Multiple Sclerosis. Medical science today still cannot predict which people will get which illness, but we can confidently say that Dental Fillings have an impact on survival, and one key may be to remove Mercury Dental Fillings to lower your risk in both categories, Large and Small Survivor Groups.
This discovery is based on government health data, freely available to any researcher, and can be easily verified at http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/about/major/nhanes/datalink.htm by downloading the NHANES III datafile, and verifying the statistical analysis which will be discussed throughout this paper for many disease groups.
2.0 SURVIVAL DATA.
Methodology: I did not look merely at all 28 teeth, a more granular analysis was done by looking at all 140 Tooth Surfaces as defined by modern dentistry. Groupings were made as follows: No Filled Surfaces, 1-7, 8-16, 17-33, 34-up. This allowed for a fairly even distribution for the General Population in the United States (approximately 20% in each of the 5 categories, for a total of 100%). Then the Filled Surfaces distribution was computed for each ICD Disease Chapter, Sub-Chapter, or Individual Code. The two resulting groups (Distribution of Fillings of those who have the Disease <Yes> and Distribution of Fillings of those who do not have the Disease <No>) were then plotted.
Note: In all cases, the Distribution of those who don’t have the disease was nearly identical to the General Adult Population Distribution (180 Million people), as the largest chapter looked at (Circulatory System) had only 27 Million persons, as compared to its corresponding non-disease group of 157 Million. This feature is evident as you look at all the graphs to follow, and is a powerful element of this analysis.
2.1 Diseases of the Circulatory System
Population Size: 27,200,000 are survivors of diseases in this category.
ICD Chapter 7 Codes: Diseases of the circulatory system (390-459). Includes:
acute rheumatic fever (390-392)
chronic rheumatic heart disease (393-398)
hypertensive disease (401-405)
ischemic heart disease (410-414)
diseases of pulmonary circulation (415-417)
other forms of heart disease (420-429)
cerebrovascular disease (430-438)
diseases of arteries, arterioles, and capillaries (440-448)
diseases of veins and lymphatics, and other diseases of circulatory system (451-459)
Legend: The dotted line on the graph below is the dental filling distribution of survivors who have the diseases above (Chapter 7), the solid line is the remaining U.S. Population that does not have these diseases. The solid line is almost identical to the “norm”, as in this case it represents 153,000,000 people.
Authors: I found that the Survivor Group for Circulatory Disease was 33% Filling-Free, compared to 22% in the General Population and 19.5% in the Non-Disease Group.
Conclusion: Survivors of Circulatory Disease have a Filling-Free Rate 50% Higher than the General Population, and 60% Higher than the Group that does not have the disease.
2.2 Diseases of the Central Nervous System - Other
Population Size: 1,600,000 are survivors of diseases in this sub-category.
ICD Chapter 3 - Diseases of the nervous system and sense organs (320-389)
Sub-Chapter Presented Here: OTHER DISORDERS OF THE CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM (340-349)
340 Multiple sclerosis
341 Other demyelinating diseases of central nervous system
342 Hemiplegia and hemiparesis
343 Infantile cerebral palsy
344 Other paralytic syndromes
345 Epilepsy
346 Migraine
347 Cataplexy and narcolepsy
348 Other conditions of brain
349 Other and unspecified disorders of the nervous system
Legend: The dotted line on the graph below is the dental filling distribution of survivors who have the diseases above (Chapter 3 Subchapter 3)), the solid line is the remaining U.S. Population that does not have these diseases. The solid line is identical to the “norm”, as in this case it represents 178,400,000 people out of a total U.S. Adult population of 180,072,328.
Authors: I found that for the Survivor Group Other Diseases of the Central Nervous System, 95% had Dental Fillings compared to 78% in the General Population. Only 5% of the Survivors were Filling-Free.
Conclusion: The General Population is Filling-Free 400% more than the Survivors of Chronic Other CNS Disease.
2.3 Review of All Diseases Screened, for Filling-Free Rates vs. Filling Rates.
I grouped the Diseases studied from NHANES III by population, and this table shows dramatic results:
Chapter Has this Disease Fillings % Filling-Free % U.S. Population 78 22 180,072,328 CATEGORY A 7 Circulatory 67 33 27,200,000 3 Endocrine 69 31 18,800,000 16 Symptoms 69 31 14,500,000 13 Connective 70 30 11,800,000 Average 31.3 72,300,000 CATEGORY B 9 Digestive 75 25 9,400,000 5 Mental 79 21 3,800,000 1 Infectious 81 19 2,200,000 11 Pregnancy 81 19 44,865 Average 21.0 15,444,865 CATEGORY C 6 Nervous Sys 82 18 5,200,000 8 Respiratory 82 18 12,100,000 12 Skin 84 16 3,020,000 10 Genitourinary 86 14 6,700,000 2 Tumors 88 12 333,000 4 Blood 88 12 39,125 17 Injuries/Poison 89 11 4,500,000 Average 14.4 31,892,125
Note: People can belong to more than One Disease Group (which will make them very sick indeed).
To calculate the non-disease Group size, subtract the Group Size for a specific disease from 180,072,328.
Analysis:
1) For Category A, the 4 Groups have a much higher Filling-Free average than the General Population. This group includes the Symptoms Group, that special group of people who suffer from a myriad of symptoms having no organic cause. Clearly, suffering severe symptoms combined with Dental Fillings does not bode well for survival if you are in this group. Connective (Arthritis) and Endocrine (Pancreas) are members of this group. Survivor Category A has far fewer dental fillings than the general population.
2) For Category C, the 7 Groups have a much lower Filling-Free average than the General Population. These people suffer diseases of the nervous system, skin, reproductive system, kidneys, and tend to injure themselves at a rate far higher than the general population. Survivor Category C has mouths full of dental fillings as compared to the average, and endures terrible suffering from the diseases of this category.
3) Category B looked most like the Average Filling Rates of the U.S. Population. Interestingly, this group suffers from Digestive Problems and Mental Stress, which are the Number 1 and 2 Complaints found at Doctor’s Offices. They are most often prescribed sedatives, tranquilizers, anti-depressants, and stomach upset medication, and told there is no cause for their complaints. They also suffer Infections that require treatment.
3.0 Conclusions
It is, for example, the stark increased ABSENCE of Dental Fillings in the Circulatory Disease Survivors and the simultaneous increased PRESENCE of Dental Fillings in the MS/Paralysis/Seizures/Migraines Survivors that is cause for alarm. The General Population has a Filling Rate of 78%, and yet in these two survivor groups the filling rates are 67% and 95% respectively. Clearly, instead of a “small” effect, Dental Fillings are a “massive” effect.
This pattern repeated itself across all ICD-9-CM Codes we studied in the NHANES III data set. It is the simultaneous ABSENCE and PRESENCE of dental fillings in Disease Survivors that was most alarming. It has long been hypothesized, for example, that Multiple Sclerosis is caused by mercury dental fillings, but there was no proof linking the dental filling to the survivor. The General Population is 400% More Filling-Free than the 1.9 Million Americans who suffer diseases in the MS Category.
It is important to note that this report is a Screening of NHANES III for dental fillings rates versus disease, not a study of how mercury vapor from dental amalgam causes illness. The statistical research company that worked as a sub-contractor on this project advises that they are concerned with such a dramatic discovery in such a short time, and urged caution. They advised us that in the case of a Full-Blown Study of how dental amalgam causes illness, “Intervening Variables” would have to be eliminated. In the case of this paper, what you are seeing is not a study, but a very simple screening of the most expensive health survey in human history. NHANES III cost $120,000,000 to collect over a 6 year period between 1988 and 1994. If this were a study (and it is not clear exactly how one would go about “studying” how dental amalgam causes illness, as that question has been going on for over 150 years), we would have to perform statistical tricks like removing the effects of age or diet from analysis to see if the statistics change (age becomes an intervening variable if it affects the results). For example people get more fillings as they age, so if you remove the effects of age you remove fillings. At any rate, that is not the intent of this paper, to play games with the most important health survey ever done. The dramatic results in this paper, on the first pass of screening analysis in an area previously unexplored, are strong evidence that dental fillings are the True Intervening Variable. The implications of this report are that current health “studies” are wrong, because dental fillings have never, ever been considered a “variable”. Examples of this would be the Framingham Heart Study, which for 50 years studied 5,000 citizens of Framingham, MA. Dental fillings were simply never looked at or considered a factor in human health.
We are aware that other scientists will attempt to duplicate and challenge these screening results, but that is missing the point. The data is freely available on the Internet, and the screening was carefully done and is correct. Anyone with a statistical analysis package can duplicate this work in 2 days. The point is actually that dental fillings are simply making people sick, and that the most simple screening of the world’s most expensive health survey found something that looks wrong. Ask yourself this: Dental fillings are a physical feature. Now when people get sick, they still have the same physical features as before, don’t they? Two arms, two legs, two eyes, two ears, ten fingers, ten toes, etc. Except for dental fillings. The sick people have different rates of a physical feature called dental fillings than the people who aren’t sick. The difference is, this physical feature is made of 50% mercury, unlike your eyes or ears that are made of bio-compatible materials. That’s why what you are reading here isn’t a study. What you are reading here is a set of screenings that are showing us The Way It Is, from a survey that cost $120,000,000. The facts are these: People get better from a host of health problems (as seen on 60 Minutes in 1990) when they remove mercury dental fillings, this screening now show that groups of people have different rates of dental fillings based on disease. No other medical analysis has ever considered dental fillings as an effect, and tried to eliminate them through statistical analysis. I have done so, and these results are evidence that the effect is strong and damaging to the health of the American People. If people did not recover from illness by removing dental fillings, I would not have done this screening in the first place
Clinton C Zimmerman - 03 Dec 2004 11:14 GMT StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe) wrote in message
> I've made a solemn decision to stop feeding the above-mentioned in the > SMD (the only NG I make time for, and I am not connected at the The above mentioned? You mean people who question the use of amalgam. What about your great quest to find a replacement material for amalgam. Are you just going to abandon that?
StovePipe - 03 Dec 2004 12:58 GMT > StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe) wrote in message > > I've made a solemn decision to stop feeding the above-mentioned in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What about your great quest to find a replacement material for amalgam. > Are you just going to abandon that? Not on your life..... I still HATE placing them in kids and adolescents under the RAMQ regime.
But, YOU are in a better position to petition the world governments and the research vehicles. Until things change, I cannot. So go do something. Regards SP
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The Webby - 03 Dec 2004 16:52 GMT > > >RS will dissappear when some of this CX threading dissappears > > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Cheers > SP Hello SP,
The Charter serves mainly as a guideline. But if you examine it as a guideline, you can see how easily the group's orderliness can dissolve even when it is reasonable to expect exactly what you have described.
I have suggested (now and then) that the group discuss the contemporary issues facing the newsgroup with regards to its original goals and purposes. For example, if "we" know to expect posters to introduce "legislation issues in dentistry", then maybe the way to manage discussions related to that could be better handled.
Maybe it is time to reexamine the "Discussion of dentally related topics".
TW ___________________________
> Search Result 2From: Alec Ellsworth (alec@carie.mcs.mu.edu) > Subject: Re: this group? View: Complete Thread (6 articles) [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > ellswort@studsys.mscs.mu.edu --Guy Kawasaki > NeRD #3859 ____________________
Dr. Steve - 03 Dec 2004 22:42 GMT >> >RS will dissappear when some of this CX threading dissappears >> > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Cheers >SP Don't forget to ignore the entire Hydra. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
StovePipe - 04 Dec 2004 07:07 GMT > >OK, End Rant > >Cheers > >SP > Don't forget to ignore the entire Hydra. > .. > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Ummm... Don't forget that Herculese finally slayed the Hydra by cauterizing the necks of after severing the head, thereby halting the two head for one deal. WE could do the same.
My version is simply to get the riff raff to realize that they cannot continue taking this NG hostage by bitching about an issue about which they actually have no intention of mobilizing on; at least no farther than sitting on their arses and pontificating about it in the cheap internet cafés of Middle Earth.
IIRC, there is only ONE of them who actually got up and made some public statement on the TeeVee about it. IF they want change, THEY must fight for it.... WE have no credibility with the governments, for we have vested interests, in their eyes....
What we need is DIET RESTORATIONS with trans fats in 'em... <deep breath...> CHeers SP
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StovePipe - 03 Dec 2004 12:58 GMT > >Yup > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Adenosine <opinion> Just so things are clear: I have nothing against Adenosine, and I feel he contributes quite a lot here, for a non-dental professional. We could use more of his ilk.
It is just that we have enough riff-raff in the SMD without dragging alt.tar.roofers and alt.submarine.sandwiches and all the others into this NG. TRUTH BE KNOWN, while I am eternally grateful to know that frugal living and all those other NG'S exist (thanks, JME), now that I know they are there, I would rather go THERE to post than drag their ilk into here.
Accordingly, I'm gonna make a second resolution, and that is to always ERASE the CROSS POSTS... something I've grown lazy about lately. For those who would cross post: Is it really that much longer to duplicate the post and re-route it to get.routed.now and all the other NG's? </opinion> Thanks SP
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W_B - 03 Dec 2004 13:39 GMT >Accordingly, I'm gonna make a second resolution, and that is to always >ERASE the CROSS POSTS. Agreed.
-- W_B
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The Webby - 03 Dec 2004 17:02 GMT > > >Yup > > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Thanks > SP SP, if you only follow this newsgroup, do you intend to never see any posts that go to more than one group by way of a tool on your news reader?
I am finding that our collective laziness at allowing a thread to wander too far from the original subject line is a big issue. I'm to the point, somewhat like you described, of skipping the majority of the threads that have gone on far too long.
Maybe we could change the subject lines when we *know* that we are taking our thoughts into a totally new direction from the original plan for the thread. Example:
"NTI in Los Angeles? Any recommendations fro Dentist?"
We are talking about our dogs now in that thread!!!!! We should change the subject line to "Dog ownership in smd". But instead, myself as guilty as anyone, we just keep the same old subject line and next thing you know, we'll be talking about cars or something in the thread about NTI availability in a particular city.
So, we should keep in mind that if we are going to criticize anyone, we should begin with ourselves. ;-)
Guilty me... TW
The Webby - 03 Dec 2004 17:10 GMT In article <nospamattmjiatroepidemicnospam-F1D811.09024503122004@orngca-news02.soca l.rr.com>,
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> "NTI in Los Angeles? Any recommendations fro [sic]Dentist?" Sorry, "for Dentist" ... TW
W_B - 03 Dec 2004 17:51 GMT >But instead, myself as >guilty as anyone, we just keep the same old subject line and next thing >you know, we'll be talking about cars or something in the thread about >NTI availability in a particular city. So, what kind of car do you drive ?
8^]] --
W_B
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The Webby - 03 Dec 2004 18:14 GMT > >But instead, myself as > >guilty as anyone, we just keep the same old subject line and next thing [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I drive a Volvo but I've had a variety... she's a nice road companion! But when "the dog" goes with, we take the Explorer and his kennel. TW
Adenosine - 03 Dec 2004 18:16 GMT >> >But instead, myself as >> >guilty as anyone, we just keep the same old subject line and next thing [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >But when "the dog" goes with, we take the Explorer and his kennel. >TW Bah, I still like my car -- the '85 Honda Accord hatchback. I got a full tank of gas, drove to my Grandparents house half way across the state for Thanksgiving, and I'm still on that same gas today.
Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but not a car and an SUV.
Actually, thinking about it, if I had put all the money I've spend on dentistry in the last 6mo into a savings account, I could almost pay for a new Kia in cash...
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
The Webby - 03 Dec 2004 18:35 GMT > >> >But instead, myself as > >> >guilty as anyone, we just keep the same old subject line and next thing [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? One car for her, one car for him, and when it strikes our fancy, we can share!! An SUV is far more essential to some families than others. The SUV has made lots of long trips filled with "goods" belonging to others. No way would the Volvo have been able to do that.
You could ride a bicycle and save all your gas money. TW
StovePipe - 04 Dec 2004 07:07 GMT > You could ride a bicycle and save all your gas money. > TW Or a Zamboni Laser and do gum surgeries and such as you go (assumin' it is workin' o' course...) SP
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W_B - 03 Dec 2004 18:54 GMT >>> >But instead, myself as >>> >guilty as anyone, we just keep the same old subject line and next thing [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >dentistry in the last 6mo into a savings account, I could almost pay >for a new Kia in cash... Yeah, but it still would be a Kia. --
W_B
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Adenosine - 03 Dec 2004 19:02 GMT >>>> >But instead, myself as >>>> >guilty as anyone, we just keep the same old subject line and next thing [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Yeah, but it still would be a Kia. Comes with a 10 year warrantee, how many dentists give that on their work? "I'll give you this new crown, and if you do a regular maintanence schedule, I'll replace or fix it if it fails within 10 years."
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
W_B - 03 Dec 2004 21:56 GMT >>Yeah, but it still would be a Kia. > >Comes with a 10 year warrantee, how many dentists give that on their >work? "I'll give you this new crown, and if you do a regular >maintanence schedule, I'll replace or fix it if it fails within 10 >years." Guaranteed dentistry is llegal in most states.
Will guarantee it until you walk out the door.
Do free replacements if something doesn't last as long as I think it should.
-- W_B
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Adenosine - 03 Dec 2004 22:55 GMT >>>Yeah, but it still would be a Kia. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Guaranteed dentistry is llegal in most states. Why? Is it the same reason that advertising was illegal (no reason at all)?
>Will guarantee it until you walk out the door. Remind me to chew on some rocks while I put on my coat.
>Do free replacements if something doesn't last as long >as I think it should. Rather subjective policy, don't you think?
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
W_B - 03 Dec 2004 23:53 GMT >>Guaranteed dentistry is llegal in most states. > >Why? Is it the same reason that advertising was illegal (no reason at >all)? Smarter men than me created the law.
>>Will guarantee it until you walk out the door. > >Remind me to chew on some rocks while I put on my coat. Don't forget the sticks and leaves. BTW what coat ?
>>Do free replacements if something doesn't last as long >>as I think it should. > >Rather subjective policy, don't you think? Depends, less than a year for a direct restoration. Replaced @ n/c Recurrent decay around a crown is the patient's fault, usually. Crowned tooth that needs endo in less than one year ? Endo charged, new crown free.
If I did the restoration, who better to decide than me ? You ? Mancuso, Bornfeld, Fawks, carabelli, JME, etc...? They weren't there. I was.
>-- >Adenosine -- W_B
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The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 00:24 GMT > >>Guaranteed dentistry is llegal in most states. > > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE All of the people with failed materials in the TMJs -- materials that the FDA determined to be defective, did not get free surgery to replace what the material destroyed, Adenosine.
This is a really important thing to understand. There are no guarantees in medicine. But it sounds like W_B's policy is very reasonable and I'm sure his patients appreciate it.
What's fair is fair. Put on balance, nothing is ever going to be fair for everyone.
TW
W_B - 04 Dec 2004 03:21 GMT >> If I did the restoration, who better to decide than me ? >> You ? Mancuso, Bornfeld, Fawks, carabelli, JME, etc...? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >the FDA determined to be defective, did not get free surgery to replace >what the material destroyed, Adenosine. Had some patients with Pro-Plast implants that the surgeon removed for free. Had other patients from the same surgeon who were called in about the recall and refused the removal surgery.
Not all Pro-Plast impants were failures.
>This is a really important thing to understand. There are no guarantees >in medicine. Right, do you sue the cardio-vascular surgeon if bypass fails ? Wait ! Yer ded, cannot sue, what then ? May sound cruel but them's the facts.
>But it sounds like W_B's policy is very reasonable and I'm >sure his patients appreciate it. Thanks and yes they do. Gotta tell you that this happens less than 3 times/year.
>What's fair is fair. Put on balance, nothing is ever going to be fair >for everyone. That is why I carry an equalizer.
>TW -- W_B
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The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 04:06 GMT > >> If I did the restoration, who better to decide than me ? > >> You ? Mancuso, Bornfeld, Fawks, carabelli, JME, etc...? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > removed for free. Had other patients from the same surgeon > who were called in about the recall and refused the removal surgery. It was good of some surgeons to do the surgery without expense to the patient. Of course, the hospital expenses were still the patient's responsibility.
The FDA determined Proplast used in the TMJ implants to be 100% defective. That didn't mean that 100% of the patients would experience failure at the same rate. The FDA did believe that all patients would eventually suffer failure of the implants because of the defective nature of the product. All things mechanical have a life span but this product was *bad*. Anyway, if patients weren't having problems, they were to be watched closely and surgical removal was indicated when problems developed because the potential damage was very serious.
> Not all Pro-Plast impants were failures. Over time, it was anticipated that all the implants would fail because the material was defective.
> >This is a really important thing to understand. There are no guarantees > >in medicine. > > Right, do you sue the cardio-vascular surgeon if bypass fails ? > Wait ! Yer ded, cannot sue, what then ? > May sound cruel but them's the facts. If it is a wrongful death, that is another matter.
> >But it sounds like W_B's policy is very reasonable and I'm > >sure his patients appreciate it. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE TW
W_B - 04 Dec 2004 05:14 GMT >> Wait ! Yer ded, cannot sue, what then ? >> May sound cruel but them's the facts. > >If it is a wrongful death, that is another matter. As someone recently so eloquently pointed out that cases such as you mentioned above do not help the dead. etc...
SB it was.
Let's not go down this road. Ok ?
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The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 05:18 GMT > >> Wait ! Yer ded, cannot sue, what then ? > >> May sound cruel but them's the facts. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE There is a time and a place for everything. This place, this time? No; I'm with you. TW
Vaughn - 04 Dec 2004 02:23 GMT > >Yeah, but it still would be a Kia. > > Comes with a 10 year warrantee, how many dentists give that on their > work? "I'll give you this new crown, and if you do a regular > maintanence schedule, I'll replace or fix it if it fails within 10 > years." My father has one of those, along with the aforementioned 10-year warranty. You have never seen such bad service. It is like HMO for your car! That said, it is not really a terrible car, at least for his use.
Vaughn
The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 03:15 GMT > > >Yeah, but it still would be a Kia. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Vaughn Good feedback considering the credibility of our source!! TW
W_B - 03 Dec 2004 18:59 GMT >Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but >not a car and an SUV. We have an SUV and a truck, and a sports car.
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The Webby - 03 Dec 2004 19:03 GMT > >Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but > >not a car and an SUV. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > W_B He needs some kind of spread sheet just to keep track of them (all). TW
W_B - 03 Dec 2004 21:59 GMT >> >Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but >> >not a car and an SUV. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >He needs some kind of spread sheet just to keep track of them (all). >TW Wouldn's surprise me a bit if he's already got a nice XL file for maintenance etc...
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Dr. Steve - 03 Dec 2004 22:30 GMT >>> >Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but >>> >not a car and an SUV. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Wouldn's surprise me a bit if he's already got a nice XL file >for maintenance etc... I only have two on the driveway right now. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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W_B - 03 Dec 2004 22:55 GMT >>Wouldn's surprise me a bit if he's already got a nice XL file >>for maintenance etc... > >I only have two on the driveway right now. >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Is that how you tell that it is winter ?
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Dr. Steve - 03 Dec 2004 23:56 GMT >>>Wouldn's surprise me a bit if he's already got a nice XL file >>>for maintenance etc... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Is that how you tell that it is winter ? You guessed it. All 3 Triumphs are in storage. Dropped off the LR for service this morning. Still have 3 in garage and one in the garden shed. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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W_B - 04 Dec 2004 02:59 GMT >>Is that how you tell that it is winter ? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. >Troy, Michigan, USA You need a barn in a warmer climate.
<hint, hint>
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Dr. Steve - 04 Dec 2004 17:39 GMT >>>Is that how you tell that it is winter ? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ><hint, hint> Too bad it does not stay nice in Michigan as long as it does in DC .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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Dr. Steve - 03 Dec 2004 22:29 GMT >>Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but >>not a car and an SUV. > >We have an SUV and a truck, and a sports car. > >Don't ask Mancuso how many cars he has. Hey! be fair! .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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W_B - 03 Dec 2004 22:55 GMT >>>Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but >>>not a car and an SUV. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Hey ! I was ! Love your eclectic collection.
It's just that at 21y.o. Adeno hasn't had time to accumulate cars that are not 'daily drivers'.
He probably needs a girlfriend or boyfriend depending on his leanings.... <hehe>
I just hope that Adeno doesn't seek out a 'relationship' online. Those can be disasterous.
Oy Vey !
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Adenosine - 03 Dec 2004 23:01 GMT >>>>Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but >>>>not a car and an SUV. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >It's just that at 21y.o. Adeno hasn't had time >to accumulate cars that are not 'daily drivers'. I don't think I'll ever own more than two cars as I don't really enjoy driving.
>He probably needs a girlfriend or boyfriend depending >on his leanings.... <hehe> Yeah, we'll find out when I get around to that whole 'human interactian' thing I keep hearing about.
>I just hope that Adeno doesn't seek out a 'relationship' >online. Those can be disasterous. My former coworker met his wife online. They seemed happy together, altho I think the relationship was more codependant than loving. I also had a friend move to Cali to marry a person who he met online, but it didn't work out.
I think it would work out quite nicely for me, as long as the relationship was kept online.
>Oy Vey ! Pretty fly for a white guy?
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
The Webby - 03 Dec 2004 23:18 GMT > >Oy Vey ! > > Pretty fly for a white guy? ??????? TW
Adenosine - 03 Dec 2004 23:20 GMT >> >Oy Vey ! >> >> Pretty fly for a white guy? > >??????? >TW Don't listen to Weird Al much, do we?
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
The Webby - 03 Dec 2004 23:26 GMT > >> >Oy Vey ! > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Ah. http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Weird-Al-Yankovic/Pretty-Fly-for-a-Rabbi .html
> Pretty Fly for a Rabbi Lyrics (Weird Al Yankovic) W_B - 04 Dec 2004 00:30 GMT Used to. Less time for frivolous persuits these days.
>>> Pretty fly for a white guy? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >-- >Adenosine -- W_B
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W_B - 04 Dec 2004 00:09 GMT >>It's just that at 21y.o. Adeno hasn't had time >>to accumulate cars that are not 'daily drivers'. > >I don't think I'll ever own more than two cars as I don't really enjoy >driving. Then you need to make enough money to own a Maybach and pay the chauffer's salary.
Drove a truck for a living once, hated it.
Only drive now when mandatory.
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Adenosine - 04 Dec 2004 00:11 GMT >>>It's just that at 21y.o. Adeno hasn't had time >>>to accumulate cars that are not 'daily drivers'. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Then you need to make enough money to own a Maybach and >pay the chauffer's salary. More like need to get the mass transit system into a state that it can be used. Luckily after they wasted all the money we gave them they had to beg and make changes until we finally funded them a little bit.
>Drove a truck for a living once, hated it. > >Only drive now when mandatory. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 00:38 GMT > >>>It's just that at 21y.o. Adeno hasn't had time > >>>to accumulate cars that are not 'daily drivers'. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? No matter how good mass transit is, it does not work for the entire work force. It does not work for every large community (a lot of land and not too many people or a large city with many areas that are far from the train, bus, subway -- where you still need a way to get to the central loading area.
TW
Adenosine - 04 Dec 2004 00:43 GMT >No matter how good mass transit is, it does not work for the entire work >force. It does not work for every large community (a lot of land and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >TW True, but I generally don't stray very far beyond the very urban. If the system was only slightly better (more frequent, extended hours) I wouldn't drive very much at all.
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The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 01:12 GMT > >No matter how good mass transit is, it does not work for the entire work > >force. It does not work for every large community (a lot of land and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? My son-in-law has ideas very similar to yours. But keep up your driving skills, especially urban driving skills or you may find that fear of driving takes over before you realize what happened. TW
StovePipe - 04 Dec 2004 07:07 GMT > >No matter how good mass transit is, it does not work for the entire work > >force. It does not work for every large community (a lot of land and > >not too many people or a large city with many areas that are far from > >the train, bus, subway -- where you still need a way to get to the > >central loading area. Need the Smart car.... little car with 2 places... turns on a dime... ideal for the city... unless you get hit by W_B or TW in their SUV's SSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPP
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Dr. Steve - 04 Dec 2004 17:38 GMT >> >No matter how good mass transit is, it does not work for the entire work >> >force. It does not work for every large community (a lot of land and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >ideal for the city... unless you get hit by W_B or TW in their SUV's >SSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPP Smart Car is bigger than my Isetta .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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Roy Brown - 04 Dec 2004 18:05 GMT | Smart Car is bigger than my Isetta | .. | Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. SWMBO in this household has their eye on the Smart ForFour. Got a year or two to start saving before it will be available here. Some of us already know the pressure tactics that come when SWMBO must just have something in particular. She knows each and every one of my stall tactics, after my trying 19 years avoiding the "ring" and a certain event that rhymes with it.
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StovePipe - 04 Dec 2004 21:31 GMT > | Smart Car is bigger than my Isetta > | .. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > trying 19 years avoiding the "ring" and a certain event that rhymes with > it. Go for it, Roy... SP
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StovePipe - 04 Dec 2004 18:42 GMT > >Need the Smart car.... little car with 2 places... turns on a dime... > >ideal for the city... unless you get hit by W_B or TW in their SUV's > >SSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPP > > Smart Car is bigger than my Isetta Really? Jeezzz that must be small. I'll google to see what that looks like. Thanks SP
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W_B - 04 Dec 2004 03:10 GMT >>Then you need to make enough money to own a Maybach and >>pay the chauffer's salary. > >More like need to get the mass transit system into a state that it can >be used. Luckily after they wasted all the money we gave them they had >to beg and make changes until we finally funded them a little bit. You are kidding right ?
One only rides 'public transportation' long enough to afford 'private transportation'.
Yes that includes bicycles.
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Adenosine - 04 Dec 2004 03:10 GMT >>>Then you need to make enough money to own a Maybach and >>>pay the chauffer's salary. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Yes that includes bicycles. You can't read news on your cell phone while using a bicycle, nor sleep.
The point being, that 12 minutes it takes me to go to work could be used for something else instead of taking up 100% of my efforts.
-- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 03:40 GMT > >>>Then you need to make enough money to own a Maybach and > >>>pay the chauffer's salary. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? How do you explain all the time you "found" in order to follow smd?
TW
Adenosine - 04 Dec 2004 03:42 GMT >How do you explain all the time you "found" in order to follow smd? > >TW Compiling programs takes a long time. Automated file processing takes a long time. Running testing scripts takes a long time.
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W_B - 04 Dec 2004 04:08 GMT >>How do you explain all the time you "found" in order to follow smd? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >-- >Adenosine So does compiling yer own kernel.
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The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 04:10 GMT > >How do you explain all the time you "found" in order to follow smd? > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Adenosine > Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? You mean that you follow smd while those other things are taking their own sweet time going through the process? If so, I see.
TW
StovePipe - 04 Dec 2004 07:49 GMT > > >How do you explain all the time you "found" in order to follow smd? > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > TW Hey Ad.... if what you're saying is accurate, FWIW, I think you're working way, Way, WAY below your potential, man. You should be designing searchable Management Information Systems or whatnot.... Or go back and get a DDS/DMD and design the next CEREC machine. Power to ya, bro SP
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W_B - 04 Dec 2004 04:01 GMT >>>More like need to get the mass transit system into a state that it can >>>be used. Luckily after they wasted all the money we gave them they had [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >You can't read news on your cell phone while using a bicycle, nor >sleep. Sorry mate, don't do any of those things.
>The point being, that 12 minutes it takes me to go to work could be >used for something else instead of taking up 100% of my efforts. Takes me 5 min to get to the office, 7 min if I hit the light.
>-- >Adenosine What was that you were saying about extra time ?
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Roy Brown - 04 Dec 2004 03:54 GMT | >>It's just that at 21y.o. Adeno hasn't had time | >>to accumulate cars that are not 'daily drivers'. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] | wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com | Take out the G'RBAGE Naw, I can see Steve in one of these.........
http://www.internationaldelivers.com/site_layout/severe/cxt.asp
Lots of room in the box for toys and Isetta's
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Dr. Steve - 04 Dec 2004 17:48 GMT >| >>It's just that at 21y.o. Adeno hasn't had time >| >>to accumulate cars that are not 'daily drivers'. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Lots of room in the box for toys and Isetta's Do you think my family would prefer this to the LR? .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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Roy Brown - 04 Dec 2004 18:10 GMT "Roy Brown" wrote:
| >Naw, I can see Steve in one of these......... | > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | .. | Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Not sure, It has lots of room, leather interior, and is made in the good old US of A. Then again, your family does have an affinity for foreign vehicles.
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Dr. Steve - 03 Dec 2004 23:58 GMT >>>>Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but >>>>not a car and an SUV. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Oy Vey ! Are you saying that my SAAB is Not a chick-magnet ? .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 00:26 GMT > >>>>Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but > >>>>not a car and an SUV. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. A Saab or a SAAB is always a chick magnet. ... unless you're a chick driving it ... and then it might still be one ... but ... ;-)
I miss my Saab .. but believe it or not ... the Volvo invites "conversation" more than you'd think. (What's with that???) TW
Dr. Steve - 04 Dec 2004 00:36 GMT >> >>>>Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but >> >>>>not a car and an SUV. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >"conversation" more than you'd think. (What's with that???) >TW I look forward to taking you for a ride in my vintage SAAB. Roy, Shirley, & W_B have all been in it. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 00:59 GMT > >> >>>>Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but > >> >>>>not a car and an SUV. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. Well then ... next in line gets in next? Me! ME! MEEEE!! TW
W_B - 04 Dec 2004 03:33 GMT >I look forward to taking you for a ride in my vintage SAAB. Roy, >Shirley, & W_B have all been in it. >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. For the record I was never, ever, in the back seat.
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W_B - 04 Dec 2004 03:22 GMT >> Are you saying that my SAAB is Not a chick-magnet ? >> .. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >"conversation" more than you'd think. (What's with that???) >TW Maybe they think you mispronounced Vulva ?
OK that was crass, but it was such a great set up line.
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The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 03:51 GMT > >> Are you saying that my SAAB is Not a chick-magnet ? > >> .. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE Naughty, naughty... but you're right. I guess that was my fault! ;-) TW
W_B - 04 Dec 2004 03:00 GMT >Are you saying that my SAAB is Not a chick-magnet ? >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. In a word...
Yes.
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StovePipe - 04 Dec 2004 07:07 GMT > Are you saying that my SAAB is Not a chick-magnet ? > .. > Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. > Troy, Michigan, USA ...Prob'ly is amongst the Scandinavian country folk.... perhaps not the types y'all are draggin' for... SP
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Adenosine - 03 Dec 2004 22:57 GMT >>Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but >>not a car and an SUV. > >We have an SUV and a truck, and a sports car. > >Don't ask Mancuso how many cars he has. I can see the truck and car, but what do you need an SUV for?
I only know one person who owns an SUV that really needs it. And that person just happens to live out in the woods, and it is nearly impossible to get to her house in the winter without either tire chains or an SUV with 4 wheel drive.
I guess it's the difference between a car as an experience and a car as a means to get from point a to point b.
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W_B - 03 Dec 2004 23:59 GMT >I can see the truck and car, but what do you need an SUV for? Grand-children, grasshopper.
>I only know one person who owns an SUV that really needs it. And that >person just happens to live out in the woods, and it is nearly >impossible to get to her house in the winter without either tire >chains or an SUV with 4 wheel drive. My truck is 4WD, the SUV isn't. Safety not an issue where you live ? Value your life ? I do.
>I guess it's the difference between a car as an experience and a car >as a means to get from point a to point b. Now you are starting to get it. I want a single seat Grand Prix car. Want, need, and desire are very different things.
>-- >Adenosine BTW the sports car is for fun. Do you ever have fun, just for the sake of it ?
Highly recommended.
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The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 00:29 GMT > >I can see the truck and car, but what do you need an SUV for? > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE My son lives in a major city. He drives an Explorer (lots and lots of miles on it) -- he drives it because he says it's a way to stay alive. He says, who cares if it gets scratched, dented, or "painted" ... just don't get into a tin can if you want to stay alive. And, he carts stuff around too.
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Dr. Steve - 04 Dec 2004 00:38 GMT >> >I can see the truck and car, but what do you need an SUV for? >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >TW My personal view is that a highly maneuverable car is safer than a big beast that can easily flip over. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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The Webby - 04 Dec 2004 01:09 GMT > >> >I can see the truck and car, but what do you need an SUV for? > >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. Absolutely! And the driver has much to do with automatic tipping over machines. If you drive one, you should know that the little sign on the visor isn't a joke. I think I'm pretty safe in my Volvo, all things considered. No guarantees there either. TW
W_B - 04 Dec 2004 03:26 GMT >My son lives in a major city. He drives an Explorer (lots and lots of >miles on it) -- he drives it because he says it's a way to stay alive. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >TW Gotta agree with that.
My little sister has the same philosophy. Got it from bigbruhbruh, natch.
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Dr. Steve - 04 Dec 2004 00:08 GMT >>>Why would you need two cars? I could see maybe a car and a truck, but >>>not a car and an SUV. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I guess it's the difference between a car as an experience and a car >as a means to get from point a to point b. I keep a LR for my SUV. I refuse to dive a minivan. I can carry seven people in the LR. I can tow one of my toy cars to a different State with the LR. I can go strip down a parts car 500 miles away, load it in the LR and drive home in style. The LR is 8 years old and has 70,000 miles on it. I prefer to drive a 40 year old car every day. The LR is a truck with style. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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W_B - 04 Dec 2004 03:00 GMT >The LR is a truck with style. >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. And all of this time I was thinking that you thought my truck was style with a personality.
pshaw...
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Dr. Steve - 04 Dec 2004 17:50 GMT >>The LR is a truck with style. >>.. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >pshaw... If I did not have to please Mrs. Steve with my "truck", I would drive a copy of yours. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
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