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How is Dental Metal Skin Patch Performed?

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Richard A. - 27 Nov 2004 02:50 GMT
Hi All,
My allergist is willing to do a dental mental skin patch test on me.
I have lichen planus disease which is known to be affected byu dental
amalgam. My allergist has no information on how the test is performed
and has asked me to help find the answer. If anyone has specific
information on any standarized test I would greatly appreciate your
help. Thank you.
Richard

21.) Dental metal allergy in patients with oral, cutaneous, and
genital lichenoid reactions.
===============================================================
Am J Contact Dermat 2001 Sep;12(3):146-50

Scalf LA, Fowler JF Jr, Morgan KW, Looney SW.

Division of Dermatology, University of Louisville School of Medicine,
Louisville, KY, USA.

BACKGROUND: The subject of lichen planus (LP) and dental metal allergy
long has been debated. An overwhelming majority of the existing
literature focuses on mercury and gold salts in relation to oral
lichen planus. OBJECTIVE: Our objective was to expand current
knowledge regarding LP and lichenoid lesions (LL) and dental metal
allergy by investigating more metals and investigating cutaneous and
genital disease in addition to oral disease. METHODS: Fifty-one
patients with known LP or LL were patch tested to a series of dental
metals. Patients chose to replace their dental metals or make no
revision. A telephone survey was conducted after 1 year to determine
disease state. RESULTS: Thirty-eight of 51 patients (74.5%) had at
least 1 positive reaction. Twenty-five of 51 patients (49.0%) showed
sensitivity to at least 1 mercurial allergen. Prevalence data for
patients patch tested by the North American Contact Dermatitis Group
(NACDG) from 1996 to 1998 was available for chromate, cobalt, gold,
nickel, and thimerosal. The prevalence of positive reactions was
higher in our group than in the NACDG group for all 5 of these
allergens, and statistical significance was achieved for chromate (P =
.028), gold (P = .041), and thimerosal (P = .005). Of patients who had
a positive patch test reaction to 1 or more metals, 100% (9 of 9)
reported improvement after metal replacement, whereas 62.5% (15 of 24)
reported improvement without metal replacement. CONCLUSION:
Sensitization to dental metals is more common among LP and LL patients
than in routinely tested patients, and might be an etiologic or
triggering factor in the disease.
carabelli - 27 Nov 2004 03:33 GMT
Jan - 27 Nov 2004 04:07 GMT
>Subject: How is Dental Metal Skin Patch Performed?
>From: ashlin@hotmail.com  (Richard A.)
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>amalgam. My allergist has no information on how the test is performed
>and has asked me to help find the answer

Ummmm. Time to find a new allergist.
Adenosine - 27 Nov 2004 04:13 GMT
>Hi All,
> My allergist is willing to do a dental mental skin patch test on me.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>help. Thank you.
>Richard

Everything I read says that the incidence of lichen planus disease
called by dental amalgam is very low. What makes you think that
amalgam is responcible?

--
Adenosine
Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
Jan - 27 Nov 2004 04:34 GMT
>Subject: Re: How is Dental Metal Skin Patch Performed?
>From: Adenosine adenosine@nospam.com
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>called by dental amalgam is very low. What makes you think that
>amalgam is responcible?

Adenosine isn't even *semi*-informed.

Web  Results 1 - 10 of about 1,560 for lichen planus disease amalgams. (0.07
seconds
Joel M. Eichen - 27 Nov 2004 12:19 GMT
>Hi All,
> My allergist is willing to do a dental mental skin patch test on me.

The emphasis should be on the "MENTAL" part .....

Joel

>I have lichen planus disease which is known to be affected byu dental
>amalgam. My allergist has no information on how the test is performed
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>than in routinely tested patients, and might be an etiologic or
>triggering factor in the disease.
Vaughn - 27 Nov 2004 18:16 GMT
> Hi All,
>  My allergist is willing to do a dental mental skin patch test on me.

    I assume that you mean dental "metal".

    While I think that you are probably barking up the wrong tree, you can find
a chart of common dental alloys here:
http://www.ceramco.com/pdf/alloys/alloys_charts_crown&bridge.pdf .  I would
start with nickel and copper.

Vaughn
Joel M. Eichen - 27 Nov 2004 19:38 GMT
>> Hi All,
>>  My allergist is willing to do a dental mental skin patch test on me.
>
>     I assume that you mean dental "metal".

REPLY

Nope, it is MENTAL ,, trust me on this!

Joel

>     While I think that you are probably barking up the wrong tree, you can find
>a chart of common dental alloys here:
>http://www.ceramco.com/pdf/alloys/alloys_charts_crown&bridge.pdf .  I would
>start with nickel and copper.
>
>Vaughn
Joel M. Eichen - 27 Nov 2004 20:02 GMT
>>> Hi All,
>>>  My allergist is willing to do a dental mental skin patch test on me.
>>
>>     I assume that you mean dental "metal".

Jan had the dental mental test done and she flunked it every single
time.

>REPLY
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>>
>>Vaughn
Richard A. - 28 Nov 2004 18:54 GMT
>      I assume that you mean dental "metal".
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Vaughn

Hi,
Thanks for your replies. Yes, I typoed and used mental instead of
metal. I have been battling my lichen planus for over 4 years. I'm 51
and I've probably had it 'growing' on and in me for 30 years,
unknowing what it was until rwecently. I have actinic lichen planus on
the sun damaged skin on my face and neck, I have erosive lichen planus
on my lips and in my ears. And now I'm fighting it on my genitals. Who
knows where else it is. Here is a pretty good web site explainging
some of the different variations of lichen planus: (scroll down past
the spanish)
http://www.dermagic.20m.com/whats_new.html

You can see some photos of my treatment with Efudex cream. Without the
cream you may not know my skin was so damaged by the lichen planus. My
lips were the most painful.
http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/swinky00/
If my dental fillings are the cause or contributor to the suffering
I've endured all I can say is let the lawsuits begin in ernest.
Richard
W_B - 28 Nov 2004 19:53 GMT
> Hi,
> Thanks for your replies. Yes, I typoed and used mental instead of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>the sun damaged skin on my face and neck, I have erosive lichen planus
>on my lips and in my ears. And now I'm fighting it on my genitals.

LP can be a debilitating disease.
Have a patient with oral LP, I don't examine lower than
the clavicle.

My patient tells me that the best control is diet restriction,
and occasional medrol dose paks for acute exacerbations.

The most common metal allergy is to nickel.

Clean the skin with isopropyl alcohol.
Shave the area beforehand if necessary,
after all you are going to 'tape' it.
Use a dermatologically non-irritating tape.

Then tape a US nickel to your forearm for 2-3 days.
As a control on your other forearm use the same
procedure of cleaning and the same tape without the nickel.

If you are allergic to nickel, there will be a obvious
contact dermatitis reaction.

Your allergist is a buffoon..

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
Richard A. - 28 Nov 2004 23:54 GMT
> If you are allergic to nickel, there will be a obvious
> contact dermatitis reaction.
>
> Your allergist is a buffoon..

Thank you very much for your instructions on the nickel test. I will
try to do it in the coming week. I have only seen the allergist twice
and he would test me but he has no standardized method for dental
amalgam. My dematolgist doesn't either. I emailed the American Dental
Association and here's what I got back:

Dear Sirs: I would like to know what form of allergic/reaction testing
is
endorsed or approved by your organization to test dental amalgam and
other
dental metals. Is there some form of specific skin patch test or any
other
form of standardized test? Thank you very much. Regards.

Thank you for your inquiry.  The ADA does not have a position or
recommendation on allergy testing methods.   This would be determined
by a
physician or allergist.

ADA Department of Public Information

So, eveybody is passing the buck and I still don't know how the test
is done or who to perform it. At this point, when I am well enough I
will try to have some fillings replaced..any suggestions on what to
ask for?
Thank you.
Richard
Jan - 29 Nov 2004 04:01 GMT
>Subject: Re: How is Dental Metal Skin Patch Performed?
>From: ashlin@hotmail.com  (Richard A.)
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>ask for?
>Thank you

The best place for testing is http://www.melisa.org/

Jan
W_B - 29 Nov 2004 17:54 GMT
>So, eveybody is passing the buck and I still don't know how the test
>is done or who to perform it. At this point, when I am well enough I
>will try to have some fillings replaced..any suggestions on what to
>ask for?
>Thank you.
>Richard

Composite or Porcelain depending on the particular tooth.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Dr Steve - 29 Nov 2004 22:38 GMT
You could do the same skin patch test with a fresh lump of triturated
amalgam.

Signature

~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>> If you are allergic to nickel, there will be a obvious
>> contact dermatitis reaction.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Thank you.
> Richard
W_B - 30 Nov 2004 17:35 GMT
>You could do the same skin patch test with a fresh lump of triturated
>amalgam.

Interesting. I suppose that would work.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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found this site sells it ( http://www.organiconline.com.sg ) but I need
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this. thanks!
Joel M. Eichen - 28 Nov 2004 21:14 GMT
>>      I assume that you mean dental "metal".
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Thanks for your replies. Yes, I typoed and used mental instead of
>metal. I have been battling my lichen planus for over 4 years.

What is Eichen planus?

> I'm 51
>and I've probably had it 'growing' on and in me for 30 years,
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>I've endured all I can say is let the lawsuits begin in ernest.
>Richard
 
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