Notice how instead of explaining how she felt better than she had in
two years BEFORE all her dental work was done she makes a personal
attack.

Notice how instead of explaining how she was able to go from bedridden
(dying of mercury poisoning) to line dancing with no foot pain (soon
to return) a week after eight amalgams were removed when mercury would
be flooding into her system that Jan makes a personal attack.

Notice how instead of reconciling her statement that the *reason* that
she knows that it was the mercury is because she did not *begin* to
regain her health until *after* her mercury level dropped even though
she went from bedridden to line dancing a week after having eight
amalgams out when her mercury level would have been HIGHER than when
she was bedridden, Jan makes a personal attack.

Notice how Jan cannot reconcile her statement that it was *never* in
dispute that the removal of amalgams results in increased mercury with
her statement that the removal of eight amalgams (a week earlier) made
a difference because she was no longer receiving a daily dose of
mercury even though the removal of eight amalgams resulted in massive
exposure to mercury vapors.

Jan cannot explain any of the above. Jan knows that I have completely
debunked her claim of mercury poisoning and even though she reads my
posts that she cannot rebut my points. She is a despicable liar, bigot
and anti-semite who can do nothing but attack those who expose her for
what she is. Sad that.

Aloha,

Rich

PS: If Jan responds to this post it will be to attack me by starting a
new post if she does not attack me when someone responds to this post.
She won't be able to refute any of my above points. Just watch.

jan_drew@jan_drew_is_a_liar.com

ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!

Poor Richard.

and anti-semite who can do nothing but attack those who expose her for
what she is.

==

be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And >why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest
not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let
me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou
hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou
see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Aloha

Rich

==========

Liar, liar, pants on fire!  You're busted, again.   So, where's the apology for
falsely accusing Rich of lying when you are the liar...or hopelessly demented.

apologize?? No. Instead she gives some lame excuse about how she DID NOT
mention  the word stalking (note the emphasis on the DIDNOT).

attacks me in a quite infantile manner.

that she is in my kill file.

a friggin lie. I bailed out because you slandered me and refused> to retract
the slanderous statement. And to this day you have not> retracted the
statement. All  you have done is apologized for lowering> the discussion to the
level of mha. And speaking of lowering the level> on mha, you are the LOWEST of
the low. You are a liar and a coward and> cannot even give a simple apology for
calling me a stalker for NO> REASON in Aaron's list serve. The only people who
are defending you> are Ka and Jan, two more cowards and liars. You keep good
company.>

tired of your friggin  false accusations. It is NOT> cyberstalking to crosspost
an article to another newsgroup if it is> relevant to the discussion. The
reason Jan had problems is because of> her newsreader and NOT because I
crossposted. Are you saying that ALL> people who crosspost articles are
cyberstalkers???>> It is ALSO not cyberstalking to respond to an individual in
a> newsgroup that is public. I never carried the conversation outside of> mha
with Connie except in private email with her that was agreed to by> the both of
us. She posted publically to this newsgroup and I> responded. How the hell is
that cyberstalking??>> You OTOH realizing that I had you kill filed, once
publically posted> that you wanted people to send me a message from you. I then
got> bombed with dozens of email messages. What the hell do you call that>
Bain?? That would more closely constitute cyberstalking when you try> to get a
message from someone who does not want to hear your bullshit.>> I temporarily
removed you from kill file to see how you responded to> my challenge. It did
not surprise me. You are an unmitigated liar who> makes false accusations just
to deflect attention and serve your> selfish purposes.  And the proof is in the
pudding.>>>> >

I believe the way you have treated jan and connie are examples of this.

up their own minds. But as I said, the proof is in the pudding.>

Rich <k@hawaii.rr.com> writes:>

Kaalga believes that this misattribution was deliberately made in>order to
malign the reputation of Jan. But since it was Kaalga that>made the comment I
guess that means that Kaalga thinks that the>comment was somehow inappropriate
and would malign her own reputation,>as if it could be maligned any more than
it already is. Ms hypocrisy>strikes again:-)))

Rich avoids the issue yet again.DC either made an error or he deliberately
misrepresented the posts.But then Rich also does this.

apology for this comment while they say absolutely nothing>about John Bain
calling me a stalker for *once* crossposting a>discussion in mha about ADHD to
an ADHD group.

Nope, for his behavior to Jan and to Connie.His recent rant against Jan was
typical.  He has said he intends to post a similar rant on a regular basis,
claiming to be 'policing' the group.

He is undoubtedly a cyber stalker and Jan is his current target.>

Not only is it not wrong to crosspost in that instance, it is
highly>APPROPRIATE to do so

.This is part of the interchange I had with Rich last year over this
issue.----------------Subject:    Re: RitalinFrom:    J BainSITo:  
misc.health.alternativeDate:    09/06/2000Rich <kalalau@hawaii.rr.com>
writes:<snip>>I am truly sorry that I made her aware of this support group

You didn't 'make her aware of it' until confusion set in, you crossposted her
to it, deliberately.>

The last thing that>you need is Jan Drew mail bombing your group with her
nonsense.

How can she do this, she is only posting to MHA, like me.If anyone thinks ASA-D
should read this, please repost it to them

You should apologise, but for your own behavior

.>I will continue to try to keep posters on mha honest and challenge the>very
dubious claims.

And you do not consider Andrew's, acupuncture 'disharmonies' are legally
defined in the Florida statutes, is a dubious claim.No, you pick on people and
if they challenge you, killfile them.

difficult doing this short handed and I>bet you guys have more energy than I
do:-))-----------------------------------------------

Jan did not mailbomb or post to ADA-D at all.   Rich did it all and
deliberately tried to deceive the posters there.Rich is a cyberstalker and he
has been stalking Jan for a long time.

Best wishes--

John Bain

might behoove them to wonder what someone might think ifthey looked at THAT
person's posting history. But often these peopleh ave not a clue how obnoxious
and abusive they have been.

Aloha,

Rich

Unfortunately my prayers have not yet been answered. However I believe
that there is justice in this world and soon my prayers will be
answered. I am patient.

Poor poor Rich, he is praying something will happen to Jan. Perhaps a
decapitation? And praying to someone other than God,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

MHA is a discussion group to discuss alternative health modalities. Ichoose to
discuss the issue of whether Jan Drew actually had
mercurypoisoning.""Discussing things with both you (jan drew) and Connie is
truly an exercise in futility.

"Rich (aloha rich)

From: Richard Jacobson (richj_@pixi.com)
Subject: Re: Effexor
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 1995/04/02

I am not sure what you mean by too willing to accept the whole depression
diagnosis. I am also not sure what you mean when you say that you don't buy the
your depression is due to something mental. Is not the fact that they keep
putting you on antidepressants evidence that they do NOT think it is just
something mental. Afterall the biochemical theory of depression is that
depression is due to a neurotransmitter imbalance and that the antidepressants
correct that imbalance. Seems to me they are saying that your depression is
physical and not

****psychologic.***
============================================================
Notice how Richard is trying to compare Nazi war crimes with vaccinations. The
sad thing is that Richard really sees little difference.

Yes but it is unfortunate when parents make decisions with limitedinformation
due to *****psychopathologic***** fears.

not wanting his kids vaccinated. It's against his religion.  : >>>Fine,  that
is an important principle in this country,  and I'm : >>>all for him to
exercise it.  Arguing with him is useless as he is : >>>not interested in
scientific proof or anything other kind of proof : >>>for that matter.

Yes Richard it is *I* who has the myopic view of the world.How many times have
I suggested that you read about biology and immunology to broaden your horizons
and how many times haveyou ignored this completely. I also realize that because
mathematics does not use double blind studies to prove its theories that you
think that this method could be applied to all things that we study. It is
quite difficult for you (despitehow worldly you think you are) to conceive of
some things being amenable to double blind studies and some things not

Do some reading and you may learn something.

Absolutely fascinating Richard. So your understanding based upon the posts is
that the ONLY place that your baby could possibly pick up this bacterium is
from sheep, cattle, other small animals and surgical operating theatres?
Perhaps the problem you have extends beyond the *****psychological********.

That is an interesting comment coming from someone who questions modern
medicine using a treatment before studies are done to demonstrate efficacy and
safety. Well ***Big Al*****, conventionalmedical practice is NOT to jump on
every bandwagon but totest out theories before advocating their use.

Yes ***Big Al****, I realize that you don't agree with my interpretation of the
statistics and think that I have _no business_ commenting of the numbers. I
will leave it up to the educated readers out thereto decide for themselves
*who* is manipulating *what*. It always strikes me as curious that those who
are so quick to accuse others of manipulation (especially without giving
specifics) are the ones who are really manipulating.

Sorry but I am going to continue to ask for evidence when I am in doubt about a
treatment. Hope you can accept that my asking is not to be patronizing
(although I will acknowledge that some of my more humorous postings have had a
patronizing tone tothem) or inflate my ego but instead to get information that
I think is important instead of just trusting whatever someone decides to post
here especially when the nature of the post is so seeminglydefinitive. With
aloha,Rich

It is quite clear to me that you are unhappy with my postsand feel that I am
being disingenuous with the group. Perhapsyou could share with me specifically
what I have lied about.

Do  you notice that whenever someone does not have anything useful to say that
they rely on ad hominum arguments to discredit the other person. And do you
notice that those who complain so much about people discrediting them and not
sticking to the facts are the ones who are the most guilty of discrediting
people.

It is very sad but it will likely>>continue as those who accuse others
of>>being cynical or hypocrites or murderers>>in an attempt to discredit them
and make>>themselves look good will continue to>>thrive in our society where
personal>>freedom of speech is highly regarded.>>With freedom come
responsibility.>>Hopefully those who accuse others of>>being irresponsible will
take a good look>>in the mirror. But I will not hold my breath>>waiting for
this to happen.>>

giving all these false root causes and incorrect treatments.  Iguess you
understand that few people could understand healing like you do and most of the
people are just ignorant and buying into the mainstream. It would take a VERY
special person to understand the healing powers of Paul Iannone. There
arelikely not very many people like that around. I give you a lotof credit Paul
to keep your sanity when everyone around you is acting in such an insane
manner. Yes you are a very special person indeed. And you can't help the fact
that you are so special, knowledgeable, and selfless. You are not a pathologic
narcissist. You ARE a great healer sent down from the mountaintop to heal
mankind. <bowing head>

I certainly could not agree with you more that if the doctor said that to you
that it was very inappropriate. For some reason the doctors that you are seeing
have pidgeon holed you into the "mentalpatient" and are not taking your
complaints seriously. This is a common problem in medicine in which if a
patient has a ***phychiatric***history it is assumed that their physical
complaints are bogus.

Yes it does seem ironic but it does make perfect sense to me. My senseis that
the more vocal individuals in this group are more interested in condemning
conventional medicine than in much of anything else.Toward that end they will
use whatever means they can even if that means that they must continually
contradict themselves. For instance if someone raises an objection to a claim
they will retort that their claim cannot be validated with the usual scientific
method.On the other hand they are very quick to use this same scientific method
to criticize something else. It is clearly a double standardand extremely
transparent to all except those who either lack the intelligence or are so
firmly anti-establishment that they cannot  see the forest for the trees. In
either case it is quite sad indeed.

I prefer to make general statements and allow others to decide whether or not
they think that they or others apply to what I am saying. You seem to indicate
that you feel that I was talking specifically aboutyou. Is this because the
comments that I made about certain posters  you believe is true about you?

****I prefer whenever possible NOT to make things personal.*****

It leads to resentment and hard feelings. Although I realize you are a big boy
and can likely handle criticism quite well as long as it is constructive (is
any criticism of you considered constructive?)

==============================

It is sad that someone has such low self esteem that they have to make up
stories about someone who they feel threatened by. I hope that you work on
yourself image to avoid making a complete fool of yourselfa lthough at this
point itseems like you have already done the damage. I will allow the readers
to decide if my unwillingness to discuss this with you further is because ofthe
nonsensicalness of your argument or for other reasons. But this discussion has
helped me to work on my own intolerance to discussing things with rigid
ideologues who project their rigidity onto others and have such little insight
into the dysfunctional nature of their thinking. But to call a chiropracter a
physician>>is fraudulent. But it comes as no surprise that you would>>make such
a statement considering all the half truths and>>lies that you regularly post
in this newsgroup. Your credibility is reaching for all time lows. And at this
rate it is difficult to get much lower.  I have little need to report my
abilities to this newsgroup. Those who know me personally know my abilities. I
am here to discuss and not to promote myself. Yes I know enough to identify

****pathologic narcissistic behaviors****.

IMHO it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. Actually Paul
seems to *invite* ANY critique. And by "invite" I mean to say that he posts in
such a way to trigger response from anyone, in caseyou had not noticed. What
his motivation is doing so is up for debate but it certainly does not appear
conducive to meaningful discourse or discusssion. Without records all you have
are your delusional beliefs. It must be nice to just make a statement and then
believe it to be true without any evidence. Yes the truth is out there. But it
is unlikely we will get it from you.. I suspect however that you will discover
that the information that I posted IS factual. With all due respect Judy you
seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension.I imagine it is quite
threatening to you to have you professional identity challenged in such a
direct way. Yes Judy, I realize that it is difficult for you to understand how
I could have sufficient knowledge of this book in order to make my response.
First of all I am doing reading. Secondly I don't feel the need to enhance my
credibility. If i were you Judy I would worry about your own credibility. And
the readers can judge the validity of statements made by persons in this group
by carefully listening to all that is said. In my mind those who are the"real"
healers DON'T have to continually try to *prove* it on the internet byself
serving statements. Others can judge for themselves. Amber has already decided.
But given the intensity of her defense of Kelly, I think it is Amber who has
the crush on Kelly.  But don't worry Amber Nicole Johnson.I won't breathe a
word of this to your husband:-).

You have a VERY

***narcissistic personality***

that leads you to believe that things that have nothing to do with you are
related to you. I realize that it is MY attention span that you think is at
fault. Since I was not referring to you perhaps it is YOUR OWN mind that has
some problem. Might be good idea to get that looked into. Perhaps the "mild"
treatments that you have been using on yourself have not been strong enough to
do the trick.

***I question whether she was EVER diagnosed with breast cancer.***

That is the more basic question.

***I don't believe she ever even had breast cancer***. My interest is because a
quite incredible story was given claiming breast cancer and cure.

***And the statements just don't add up***Probably the best way to debunk these
claims is to demonstrate that the person making the claim is lying.

Quite correct Tom. George is REAL good at dishing out the criticism but not
very good at receiving it. And if you read any of his posts(even the ones that
are lucid) you would understand why. I suspect that if George continues this
behavior he will not be around the internet very long (or at least not with
AOL). Whether any of his posts have much substance to them is questionable.
But I find it very interesting how some alternatavists feel so threatened by
opposing views that are expressed using logical coherent argument that they
will do ANYTHING to squelch the opposition. Look what happened to Dragon Slayer
due to Paul I. I am just waiting for Paul to send my postmaster a complaint. I
have already warned my postmaster of what is going on and he is prepared for
it.

The following have not let the free flow of objective information.  They have
cluttered the newsgroup with insults and abusive language towards many.  I
would suggest that those without Terms of Service that could create a problem
send lists of nonsense in protest to them 50, 100 or more times when insulted
by them directly.  I have warned them that any comments to me will be met by
such action.  I simply want them to leave me alone and ignore my existence in
the newsgroup.  But, they seem to think that they can abuse anyone at will.
Also, send messages with a copy of their remarks to their postmaster. Please
everyone do this to eliminate their rude behavior.

p_iannone@pop.comPaul Iannonedyer@spdcc.com

Steve Dyer   some people have forgotten to add information about his abusive
language and remarks

srussell@ix.netcom.com

Steve Harris, M.D.  this person is under (Sandra Russell),      

please correct me if wrong

richj @sirius.pixi.com  or   richj @pixi.comRichard Jacobson aka Aloha, Rich
you will notice that there isa space between j and @.  Whether or not this
makes a  difference I do not know.

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