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Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings
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Weezie - 24 Nov 2004 09:21 GMT I think I found the right newsgoup to ask this question:
Hello! I am currently breastfeeding my 3 month old daughter and have a broken amalgam filling on one of my molars. It's a very old filling, probably 10 years +. I am concerned that it adversely affects my nursing relationship with my dd. Does more vapor escape through my filling since it is broken, or does it take drilling to increase the output?
What are signs to look out for that she is being adversely affected by mercury?
I will be having my filling removed and a composite put in its place. Assuming the right precautions are taken to remove the filling (lots of cold water in the drilling area, rubber dam, and breathing through the nose), would it still be safe to breastfeed afterwards? I've read that an improperly removed amalgam can cause a lot of toxicity and the mother should "pump & dump" her milk afterwards.
Thanks so much for your replies. I've been really worried about this, as I have a rash on my tongue on the side of my mouth with the fillings (I only have 3 amalgams). I really don't want to hurt my daughter. Any help or expertise you can offer will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Luiza
mom to Shelly Rei born 9/2/04
Joel M. Eichen - 24 Nov 2004 10:54 GMT >I think I found the right newsgoup to ask this question: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >What are signs to look out for that she is being adversely affected by >mercury? Jan Drew reports she could not Break Dance for quite a while but that report is being questioned.
Joel M. Eichen DDS
>I will be having my filling removed and a composite put in its place. >Assuming the right precautions are taken to remove the filling (lots >of cold water in the drilling area, rubber dam, and breathing through >the nose), The vapor gets into your nose! Better brethe through ....... wait a minute .... ask Jan!
>would it still be safe to breastfeed afterwards? I've read >that an improperly removed amalgam can cause a lot of toxicity and the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >daughter. Any help or expertise you can offer will be greatly >appreciated. Have you received composite compatibility testing? Ask Jan about it. By the way, its nonsense.
>Thanks, > >Luiza > >mom to Shelly Rei born 9/2/04 Dr Steve - 24 Nov 2004 12:21 GMT Are you for real, or are you a troll sent by J..
Or are you J.. pretending to be someone else?
If, you are real, go get the filling replaced this coming week and stop worrying about it.
 Signature ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA ....................................................
This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
>I think I found the right newsgoup to ask this question: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > mom to Shelly Rei born 9/2/04 W_B - 24 Nov 2004 17:51 GMT >Are you for real, or are you a troll sent by J.. > >Or are you J.. pretending to be someone else? > >If, you are real, go get the filling replaced this coming week and stop >worrying about it. Or better yet post pictures of the mammalian glands so that we may evaluate the case. --
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Joel M. Eichen - 24 Nov 2004 19:52 GMT >Or better yet post pictures of the mammalian glands so that we may >evaluate the case. >-- > >W_B Sorry those pictures are not allowed on the world wide web.
W_B - 24 Nov 2004 22:37 GMT >>Or better yet post pictures of the mammalian glands so that we may >>evaluate the case. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Sorry those pictures are not allowed on the world wide web. You are very obviously a very sheltered net user.
-- W_B
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE
Jan - 25 Nov 2004 06:50 GMT >Subject: Re: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Or are you J.. pretending to be someone else? Neither.
Luize, please understand this dentists is a proven liar and was caught in his own trap by me.
A pity he uses this as a get even tactic.
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>If, you are real, go get the filling replaced this coming week and stop >worrying about it. Please, please, please do not believe this, look at the research I posted.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Nov 2004 12:57 GMT >>Subject: Re: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >>From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >A pity he uses this as a get even tactic. Jan these people get weary from all the insults!
Joel
>Subject: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >Path: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Jan Joel M. Eichen - 25 Nov 2004 12:57 GMT >>If, you are real, go get the filling replaced this coming week and stop >>worrying about it. > >Please, please, please do not believe this, look at the research I posted. > >Jan This of course is pathetic for a dental newsgroup ......
JOEL
JWN DDS - 24 Nov 2004 17:48 GMT I have yet to place an amalgam filling on a nipple...
jwn dds
>I think I found the right newsgoup to ask this question: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > mom to Shelly Rei born 9/2/04 W_B - 24 Nov 2004 18:07 GMT >I have yet to place an amalgam filling on a nipple... > >jwn dds The cast gold caps do look quite nice though. --
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Jan - 25 Nov 2004 06:52 GMT >Subject: Re: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >From: "JWN DDS" bob@bob.com [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >jwn dds That's exactly what I was speaking of, thanks for showing the poster the attitude of dentists here.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Nov 2004 12:59 GMT >>Subject: Re: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >>From: "JWN DDS" bob@bob.com [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Jan REPLY
Here ya go ,,,,,,,,
The Amalgam Controversy: An Evidence-Based Analysis Dodes J.E.[1] JADA 2001; 132:348-356.
Abstract
Background. There are a number of patients and health care professionals who believe dental amalgam restorations are a factor in a host of diseases and conditions. They have been influenced by anecdotal case reports in the medical and dental literature, research published in the refereed literature and media stories concerning the alleged dangers of amalgam restorations.
Methods. The author uses an evidence-based approach in analyzing the data both supporting and condemning the continued use of amalgam restorations. He reviewed the articles from both peer-reviewed and nonpeer-reviewed sources and evaluated their relevance, research design and statistical analysis, as well as whether the conclusions follow from the data.
Conclusions. There are numerous logical and methodological errors in the antiamalgam literature. The author concludes that the evidence supporting the safety of amalgam restorations is compelling.
Clinical Implications. Amalgam restorations remain safe and effective. Dentists should educate patients and other health care professionals who may be mistakenly concerned about amalgam safety.
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From the Pa Dental Law ......
Cross References
This section cited in 49 Pa. Code § 33.404 (relating to reporting continuing education credit hours).
§ 33.213. Replacement of dental amalgamsstatement of policy. (a) Background. The safety of dental amalgams, specifically, whether the mercury in amalgams causes or contributes to a variety of health problems, has become a recurring issue in dentistry. The Board has neither the resources nor the mandate to make or endorse scientific findings on this issue. It is aware, however, of no conclusive evidence that the removal of amalgams will cure or ameliorate disorders other than those associated with confirmed allergic reactions to mercury. Nonetheless, nonallergic patients may request replacement of amalgam restorations in the belief, or merely the hope, that a medical condition will thereby disappear or improve. Dentists receiving these requests must make ethical and professional decisions compatible with the best interests of their patients.
(b) Purpose. Section 4.1(a)(8) and (9) of the act (63 P. S. § 123.1(a)(8) and (9)) authorizes the Board to take disciplinary action against licensees who engage in unprofessional conduct or commit acts of negligence, incompetence or malpractice. The replacement of amalgams may implicate both provisions by, for example, generating complaints of unnecessary or even harmful treatment. The Board therefore provides the following guidelines to assist its licensees in conforming their behavior to the requirements of the act. In a disciplinary action brought against a dentist for treatment associated with replacing amalgams, the Board will consider whether these guidelines were followed.
(c) Guidelines.
(1) The Board recommends that, before replacing amalgams in a nonallergic patient, the dentist:
(i) Explain to the patient the current status of research on the safety of dental amalgams.
(ii) Provide the patient with information on contraindications and costs associated with removal/replacement of amalgam restorations.
(iii) Advise a patient relying on third-party payment to ascertain whether the insurer will cover removal/replacement procedures.
(iv) Encourage a patient seeking amelioration of a medical condition to consult with a physician and, as appropriate, secure from the physician documentation of recommendations made to the patient.
(v) Memorialize in writing the disclosures made to the patient and the patients informed consent.
(2) The Board recognizes the right and duty of dentists to refuse to replace amalgam restorations when, in their professional judgment, this procedure would not be in the best interests of the patient.
Source
The provisions of this § 33.213 adopted January 18, 1965; amended September 12, 1975, effective September 13, 1975, 5 Pa.B. 2397; amended June 23, 1995, effective June 24, 1995, 25 Pa.B. 2492. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (151838).
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COSMETIC & RESTORATIVE CARE The amalgam controversy An evidence-based analysis
JOHN E. DODES, D.D.S. A B S T R A C T
Background. There are a number of patients and health care professionals who believe dental amalgam restorations are a factor in a host of diseases and conditions. They have been influenced by anecdotal case reports in the medical and dental literature, research published in the refereed literature and media stories concerning the alleged dangers of amalgam restorations.
Methods. The author uses an evidence-based approach in analyzing the data both supporting and condemning the continued use of amalgam restorations. He reviewed the articles from both peer-reviewed and nonpeer-reviewed sources and evaluated their relevance, research design and statistical analysis, as well as whether the conclusions follow from the data.
Conclusions. There are numerous logical and methodological errors in the antiamalgam literature. The author concludes that the evidence supporting the safety of amalgam restorations is compelling.
Clinical Implications. Amalgam restorations remain safe and effective. Dentists should educate patients and other health care professionals who may be mistakenly concerned about amalgam safety.
Evidence-based care, or EBC, is the name of a clinical decision-making paradigm first described in 1993.1 To provide EBC, clinicians must develop appropriate skills to evaluate research literature and clinical data. These skills require an understanding of the rules of evidence (box, Evidence-Based Approach Rules of Evidence for Evaluating Reports of Treatment Efficacy) and the realization of the limitations of clinical experience. The skill of critically evaluating research literature and clinical data is barely touched on in dental school. Enid Neidle, former director of the ADA Council on Scientific Affairs, commented that dental education is too authoritarian, leaving many students susceptible to the experiences of others and willing to accept the views of an authority figure without demanding to know the science supporting those views.2 EVIDENCE-BASED APPROACH RULES OF EVIDENCE FOR EVALUATING REPORTS OF TREATMENT EFFICACY.*
Questions to ask when using an evidence-based approach to evaluate research literature and clinical data:
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Are the results applicable to a particular patient? *
Were the study patients randomly and properly assigned? *
Were all of the patients in the study followed up completely or was there an excessive dropout rate? *
Were the study populations analyzed in their randomized groups? *
How blinded was the study? *
Except for the experimental intervention, were the groups treated equally? *
Was the statistical analysis done properly? *
Did the authors perform so many statistical tests that a mistaken significant finding was found? *
Did the article report on the participants compliance with the treatment? *
Were all the clinically significant outcomes discussed? *
Were the side effects and negative effects of the treatment reported and discussed? *
Do the benefits of the treatment outweigh any potential negative effects and costs?
* Source: Guyatt and colleagues.1,3
I attempt to follow the evidence-based approach rules in evaluating data on the possible dangers of amalgam restorations.
To apply an evidence-based approach to the dental amalgam controversy requires studying articles on the subject that have been published in peer-reviewed and nonpeer-reviewed publications and evaluating them as to their relevance, research design and statistical analysis, as well as to whether the conclusions follow from the data.1,3,4
In this article, I attempt to follow the evidence-based approach rules in the evaluating data on the possible dangers of amalgam restorations. HISTORY OF DENTAL AMALGAM
The history of dental amalgam restorations containing mercury is a long one. Tin-mercury dental restorations are reported to have been used in China in A.D. 600.5 Silver-mercury restorations were introduced to the Western world in France in the 1830s. In the 1850s, American dentists who used amalgam were threatened with malpractice actions by dentists who did not. This became known as the amalgam wars. In 1896, Dr. G.V. Black published a detailed scientific report advocating the use of amalgam,6 but it still took many years for Dr. Blacks conclusions to be universally accepted by the dental profession.
In 1926, Alfred Stock, Ph.D., a German chemist, published an article condemning amalgam restorations.7 Dr. Stock had been exposed to high mercury levels while working in his chemical laboratory. He recognized the danger posed by the type of amalgam that was in use at that time; a tablet had to be heated in a spoon until the beads of mercury appeared, and then it was transferred to a mortar and pestle for trituration.
This procedure produced a significant release of mercury vapor. Dr. Stocks concerns led to a commissions being established to investigate his allegations. In 1930, the commission issued a report that validated the safety of the newer dental amalgam formulation, which no longer required heating and rapidly was replacing the older formulations.8
In the 1970s, Dr. Hal Huggins began promoting the theory that amalgam restorations caused a wide variety of diseases. In 1985, he published a book that detailed his beliefs about mercury toxicity.9 Dr. Huggins contends that amalgam restorations release enough mercury to cause neurological, cardiovascular, immunological, collagen, emotional and allergic diseases and disorders. The resulting conditions are said to include multiple sclerosis, depression, high or low blood pressure, tachycardia, arthritis, lupus, scleroderma, leukemia, Hodgkins disease, mononucleosis, fatigue, and Crohns disease, ulcers and other digestive problems. Dr. Huggins has attracted many followers, and his writings and media appearances have led some dentists to question the safety of amalgam restorations.
A 1995 survey reported that 8.7 percent of dentists wanted to ban amalgam use and that 14.3 percent were undecided about its safety.10 Much of the opposition to amalgam has been fueled by the media, particularly the 60 Minutes segment that was broadcast in 1990.11 Physicians with large public audiences, such as Robert Atkins, M.D., and Andrew Weil, M.D., also have warned the public about the potential danger of amalgam restorations. Both Drs. Atkins and Weil have written best-selling books on health. Dr. Atkins hosts a nationally syndicated radio program, and Dr. Weil has hosted various programs about holistic health on public television.
Most lay people and many dentists are unfamiliar with the peer-reviewed dental literature and, therefore, are more easily convinced by media stories that amalgam is dangerous. The problem is so serious that the American Council on Science and Health, a consumer education and advocacy group, has determined that the allegations against amalgam restorations constitute one of the greatest unfounded health scares of recent times.12 MERCURY AND ITS COMPOUNDS
Mercury and its compounds are everywhere in our environment. Between 2,700 and 6,000 tons of mercury are released annually from the oceans and the Earths crust into the atmosphere.13 Another 2,000 to 3,000 tons are released from human activities, primarily burning household and industrial waste and, especially, from burning fossil fuels such as coal.13 Hippocrates was aware of mercurys toxicity.14 Yet mercury still has a long history of use in medicaments; for example, calomel (mercurous chloride) was used well into the 20th century for the treatment of syphilis. Inorganic mercury still is used widely in electrical applications, chlorine production and dental restorations.
In 1969, a report written by a committee of international toxicology experts classified mercury and its compounds according to their order of decreasing toxicity: methyl and ethyl mercury compounds (organomercury), mercury vapor (elemental mercury), inorganic salts and a number of additional organic forms such as phenyl mercury salts.15
Methyl Mercury. Certain bacteria present in seawater are capable of transforming elemental mercury into methyl mercury. It then concentrates in the tissues of fish and other sea creatures and moves up the food chain, which includes seafood-consuming humans. For example, industrial waste containing high concentrations of elemental mercury was released into the waters around Minamata, Japan, for many years. Fish from these waters were contaminated with methyl mercury and were responsible for both acute poisonings that resulted in death and chronic poisonings that resulted in central nervous system disturbances now known as Mina-mata disease. There also was a teratogenic effect called congenital Minamata disease.16 It is estimated that the minimum dose needed to develop symptoms of Minamata disease was 5 milligrams per day of methyl mercury.17
The half-life of methyl mercury is about 70 days in adults and slightly longer in fetuses.18 Approximately 15 percent of the body burden of methyl mercury is in the brain.18 In 1983, Heintze and colleagues19 reported the methylation of mercury in vitro by oral streptococci. Their technique, which has not been replicated, yielded 0.029 mg of methyl mercury per gram of powdered amalgam after 35 days of a complicated procedure. Although it does not appear possible to recreate this process in vivo,20 their study often is cited as proof that mercury is converted to methyl mercury in the human gastrointestinal tract. A close look at their article, however, shows that the methyl mercury was intracellular and that the bacteria would have to be digested before the methyl mercury would be released. If this did occur, the amount of 0.029 mg/g is a fraction of the minimum safe level.21 Birke and colleagues22 reported no symptoms of poisoning with levels of 0.8 mg of methyl mercury per day for five years through the consumption of contaminated fish.
Mercury and its compounds are everywhere in our environment.
Mercury vapor. Mercury vapor (elemental mercury) is the major source of concern to dentists and patients. Mercury has a high vapor pressure (.005 mg of mercury at 37 C), and approximately 75 percent of inhaled inorganic mercury vapor will be absorbed through the lungs.23 Gastrointestinal absorption is low, with estimates ranging from .01 to 10 percent.24 Absorption also is minimal through the skin, although the precise level has not been determined.18 Elemental mercury accumulates in the kidneys and brain and is excreted in the urine, secreted in bile and exhaled from the lungs.18 On an individual basis, there is little correlation between sampling of hair, blood and urine and toxic effects at target organs.18 Elemental mercurys toxicity probably is a result of its affinity for sulfydryl groups on proteins, but the results of studies in vitro do not relate well to conditions in vivo, in which distribution and accumulation of elemental mercury ions vary immensely from one type of tissue to another.25 Acute toxic exposures are rare, and there have been cases of elemental mercury accidentally being released into the bloodstream, such as when a rectal thermometer breaks, or when several grams of mercury were swallowed intentionally,26 without any reported adverse effects from the mercury. Chronic toxicity leads to a condition called erethism, characterized by insomnia, irritability, loss of memory, lack of self-control, timidity, drowsiness, depression and eventual tremors.18 The renal effects lead to proteinuria, and a diagnostic discoloration of the lens of the eye also may develop.
Both the Occupational Safety and Health Administration27 and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health28 give a threshold limit value, or TLV, of 50 micrograms per cubic meter of mercury vapor as a time-weighted average based on constant exposure of 40 hours per week. The World Health Organization, or WHO, has adopted a recommended limit of 25 µg/m3.29
Clinically significant effects (erethism, intention tremor, gingivitis) have not been reported below air concentrations of 100 µg mercury/m3.30 Slowed nerve conduction and short-term memory loss have been observed in and special instrumental tests for tremor (preclinical effects) have been conducted on people exposed to mercury levels below 100 µg Hg/m3.30 But no clinical deficiency in kidney function has been discovered in this same population. The range of mercury in urine for populations with no identifiable source of mercury exposure is up to 20 µg/liter.30 Clarkson and colleagues31 estimate the total daily absorption for all forms of mercury to be 2.3 µg/day, compared with the 5.8 µg/day estimated by the Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA.32 Two-thirds of this difference in estimates stems from the EPAs higher allocation of ingesting inorganic mercury from nonfish food, while the other one-third comes from the larger EPA estimate of methyl mercury from fish consumption. AMALGAM CORROSION
Amalgam corrosion is an oxidation-reduction reaction in which the metals in the amalgam react with nonmetallic elements in the environment to produce chemical compounds.33 This is important because corrosion is a major factor in determining the amount of mercury that is released into the oral cavity. Amalgam corrosion is influenced by factors that disrupt the surface layer of the restoration such as toothbrushing and chewing, which can cause an increase in mercury release. The mercury released in this fashion can be in two forms: mercury vapor or mercuric ions. The mercury vapor can be inhaled or exhaled, depending on the subjects breathing pattern, while mercuric ions can pass into the saliva and enter the gastrointestinal tract.24 The corrosion of amalgam restorations is complex cand actually decreases the baseline release of mercury.24
Corrosion is a major factor in determining the amount of mercury that is released into the oral cavity. AMALGAM TOXICITY
A minority of dentists and physicians allege that the amount of mercury that leaks from amalgam restorations is sufficient to be a factor in developing or directly causing a host of diseases including, but not limited to, Alzheimers disease, multiple sclerosis and immune system dysfunction.9 This measurable leakage can enter the body through breathing mercury vapor or swallowing the mercury that dissolves in the saliva. The oral cavity constantly is wet owing to the continuous secretion of saliva and the high humidity of exhaled air. Since the absorption of mercury through the gastrointestinal tract is minimal, the mercury from amalgam that is swallowed adds very little to the total body burden of mercury.
Investigators have demonstrated that people with amalgam restorations have higher oral levels of mercury vapor than do people who do not have amalgam restorations.34 Yet determining the amount of mercury released and absorbed from amalgam is difficult and complex. Olsson and Bergman35 have listed the following factors as variables affecting the amount of mercury released from amalgam restorations: number of teeth, number of surfaces, baseline mercury release, magnification factors such as eating or toothbrushing, eating habits, toothbrushing habits, oral breathing habits, nose-mouth breathing ratio, inspiration-expiration ratio, swallowing, inhalation absorption, ingestion absorption and body weight.
These confounding variables have caused large variations in the estimates of daily mercury release and absorption. Several researchers36,37,38,39,40 and 41 have arrived at figures higher than 10 µg Hg/m3, but other researchers34,42,43,44,45 and 46 consistently have reported a much lower dose of mercury of around 1 to 2 µg/day. In 1992, Olsson and Bergman35 arrived at an amount of 1 to 2 µg/day of mercury uptake for subjects with more than eight amalgam restorations.
Analysis of the data concerning daily mercury release and absorption leads me to conclude that mathematical errors led to serious mathematical errors led to serious miscalculations in arriving at the total amount of mercury vapor exposure. These computational errors led many investigators to overestimate the amount of mercury that is released and absorbed during daily life. The International Committee on Maximum Allowable Concentration of Mercury Compounds gives a TLV of 50 µg/m3 of mercury vapor.18
There also are two levels that are used in determining industrial and other thresholds for mercury concentrations in the air. One is the lowest observed adverse effect level, or LOAEL, and the other is the no observed adverse effect level, or NOAEL. These thresholds are based on the levels at which adverse effects appear or fail to appear. The LOAEL is 100 µg/m3 for clinical mercurism and 50 µg/m3 for nephrotoxicity. Both of these levels relate to constant mercury exposure during a 40-hour work week. The NOAEL is 25 µg/m3 for WHO industrial threshold, 5 µg/m3 for the general public threshold, and 1 µg/m3 for children, pregnant women and ill people (the last two levels relate to continuous mercury exposure).47,48 ESTIMATES OF TOXIC MERCURY LEVELS
Using the lowest established valuethe NOAEL for children, pregnant women and ill people of 1µg Hg/m3as a safe threshold for continuous mercury vapor exposure for the general public and assuming a respiration rate of 22 m3 per day, a safe threshold for mercury vapor absorption by the lungs is 20 µg/day.29 Eley29 also estimated the safe level for intestinal absorption of mercury from amalgam by multiplying the lowest NOAEL figure by a factor of 10 to reflect the low absorption by the gastrointestinal tract and then another factor of 2 to account for the reduced toxicity of mercuric compounds. This yielded a safe threshold for gastrointestinal absorption of salivary mercury of 400 µg/day. ADVERSE HEALTH CLAIMS
Eggleston49 claimed that the mercury from amalgam reduced lymphocyte responses, thereby compromising immune function. Mackert and colleagues50 criticized Eggleston for not blinding his study and not giving a thorough review of his methodology. Mackert and colleagues50 measured the levels of three major populations of lymphocytes in 37 subjects, 21 who had amalgam restorations and 16 who did not. The results of this study showed no indication that amalgam affects the human immune system.
Mercury from amalgam also has been implicated in the development of Alzheimers disease.51 However, two studies on patients with Alzheimers disease and on a population of nuns strongly suggest that this is not true.52,53 Saxe and colleagues study,53 in particular, was compelling because the participants were Roman Catholic nuns who were 75 to 102 years old and who had lived together in a relatively homogeneous environment for many years. The nuns with amalgam restorations did not score lower than the nuns who did not have amalgam restorations on eight different tests of cognitive function.53
A number of studies have contrasted the general health of subjects who had and who did not have amalgam restorations. Mackert and Berg-lund54 concluded that the extremely low dosage of mercury attributable to amalgam restorations was insufficient to produce any detectable negative effect on general health. Ahlqwist and colleagues55 conducted a survey of more than 1,000 Swedish women, asking them about 30 specific symptoms and complaints. The researchers attempted to relate the answers to the size and number of amalgam restorations but could find no correlation. Berglund and Molin56 measured the blood and urine mercury levels of people who had and who did not have complaints about amalgam toxicity. The researchers found the daily dose of mercury from the patients amalgam restorations was low in both groups and did not differ significantly between groups. These studies are compelling from an EBC viewpoint, as dose-response curves exist for all known environmental toxins, with subjects with more severe symptoms having higher exposure and higher body levels of the toxin in question. Indeed, in Ahlqwist and colleagues study,55 the women who had amalgam restorations actually exhibited better general health than did the women who did not have them. The authors said this probably reflected a greater concern for health matters among those women who received routine dental care.
It would seem logical and prudent to search for any evidence of disease among dentists, as they have been shown to have a much higher and consistent exposure to mercury vapors than the general public.57 This is because dentists inhale dispersed mercury vapors every time they place or remove amalgam restorations.58,59 Naleway and colleagues60 reported findings from onsite screenings at the ADA annual sessions in 1985 and 1986. Measurements of concentrations of b2-microglobulin in serum and urine, of creatinine concentration in serum and of creatinine clearance were used to evaluate kidney dysfunction. The mean urinary values in the 1985 and 1986 surveys were 5.8 µg Hg/L and 7.6 µg Hg/L, respectively.60 Approximately 10 percent of the subjects had urinary mercury concentrations higher than 20 µg Hg/L. No clear relationship was demonstrated between elevated urinary mercury concentrations and kidney dysfunction.60 The general population has a mean urinary value of 1 to 3 µg Hg/L.61 Although urine mercury levels can vary greatly from day to day and person to person, on a group basis, urine concentrations have been found to show good correlation with exposure to mercury vapor.62 Dentists have a much higher mean urinary mercury value and yet exhibit no higher levels of morbidity or mortality.63
Boyd and colleagues64 claimed that sheep kidney function was damaged dramatically by mercury from amalgam restorations. EBC analysis concludes that there was no damage because there was neither a pathological change in the kidney nor an increase in the blood urea nitrogen, which ordinarily will increase when there is an impaired glomerular filtration rate.65 In addition, Sandborgh-Englund and colleagues66 were unable to confirm Boyd and colleagues findings. Ekstrand and colleagues65 found no effects on various parameters of kidney function in humans and concluded that sheep may not be appropriate models for testing the toxic effects of dental restorative materials.
Summers and colleagues67 reported a significant increase in the proportion of mercury-resistant bacteria present in the intestines of six monkeys after amalgam restorations were inserted and removed. They concluded that amalgam may contribute to the emergence of drug-resistant bacteria. Edlund and colleagues68 retested this hypothesis with human subjects. They found that analysis of the cohort with amalgam restorations gave significant results, but when they compared these results with the normal variations from a control group, the results no longer were statistically significant.68
The list of supposed symptoms of amalgam toxicity is so inclusive that any healthy person would find it hard not to confirm the presence of at least some of the telltale symptoms.
Allergies to components of amalgam do exist. The allergic reaction to amalgam may be local or more wide-spread. The skin is the most common site, and the reaction often is self-limiting and subsides within two or three weeks even without the removal of the restoration.69 The percentage of people who are allergic to mercury has been shown to be less than 1 percent.70 DIAGNOSTIC METHODS
Antiamalgam advocates often use a number of scientifically unsupported diagnostic methods. One is the electrical reading of restorations that is done with a device similar to a common volt meter. This device is purported to provide the data necessary to determine the sequence of removal of the amalgam restorations.9 Marek71 stated that this device actually records the difference between the corrosion rate without that contact of two materials [the electrical probe and the amalgam] and with the contact of two materials. It is not the corrosion rate, and there is no way by simple measurement to determine the corrosion rate or the release rate of ions from a metal in the mouth. Marek further stated that because mercury is a more noble metal than the other components in amalgam, its long-term dissolution rate in saliva is not high enough to be reason for concern.72
A symptom questionnaire routinely is given to patients by dentists who believe that amalgam is toxic. It often asks for a general history and includes specific questions concerning skin problems, nervous disorders, digestion, blood diseases, cancer, endocrine problems and emotional problems, as well as feelings of malaise, tiredness, restlessness, boredom or excitability that occur now or have in the past.9 The list is so inclusive that any healthy person would find it hard not to confirm the presence of at least some of the telltale symptoms. These wide-ranging questionnaires neglect a cardinal rule of toxicology: the specificity of symptoms to a poison. Forensic pathologists often depend on a patients symptoms to determine what kinds of diagnostic tests should be performed to arrive at a proper diagnosis and to begin proper treatment. In the case of amalgam, the diagnostic symptoms are so varied that it would be impossible to attribute all these responses to a single toxin.
Dr. Huggins9 recommends using hair analysis to determine the patients calcium, manganese, mercury, zinc and potassium levels. Yet an EBC analysis of the literature demonstrates that hair grows very slowly, so even samples taken close to the scalp may not reflect present bodily conditions.73 Moreover, different laborato ries reach different conclusions about the same hair samples,74 and a normal range for minerals in the hair has not been established.75 Nor is it clearly understood how mineral content of the hair relates to mineral concentration in the blood and tissues. Hair analysis may be of value in determining if a person was exposed to a toxic element such as arsenic, chromium or lead. But even then, shampoos and hair dyes can distort the test results.73
An industrial-grade mercury detector also often is used to diagnose mercury toxicity. This device multiplies the amount of mercury it actually measures by a large factor so that the reading will give the amount of mercury vapor in a cubic meter of air. Normal tidal volumethe amount of air entering the lungs during one normal breathis 0.5 L24 (human inspiratory capacity is 2.8 to 4.3 L), a volume far less than a cubic meter (1,000 L). As I mentioned previously, mercury release is inconsistent, and total daily dose is difficult to determine accurately. Taking a reading after a patient chews vigorously and then extrapolating this value to represent daily dose can be frightening to a patient who is unaware of these methodological complexities.
Some physicians and dentists also use a skin patch test to determine mercury allergy or hypersensitivity. The reactions of the skin and the oral mucosa often are different. It is possible for the skin to be sensitized but not the oral mucosa, there may be concurrent sensitization of both skin and mucosa, or the mucosa may be sensitized but not the skin (a rare occurrence).62 Interpretation of patch test results is difficult and requires the expertise of specially trained allergists. And even in cases in which these allergists are consulted, there are numerous situations that can lead to false positive or false negative reactions.76 This makes patch testing for mercury allergy highly subjective and of little value.
Data strongly suggest that mercury levels many times higher than those associated with a mouth full of amalgam pose no risk of adverse health effects. CONCLUSIONS
The cardinal rule of toxicology is that only the dose makes a poison. Mercury can be toxic, for example, when high exposures occur in occupational settings. In these cases, the severity of response correlates well with the amount and duration of exposure. The relationship of dose (number and size of amalgam restorations), exposure time and symptoms has not been established.77
The call to ban amalgam is unusual among potential environmental toxins. In the past, a specific disease or condition has been recognized in a population that has been compared with a symptom-free population and possible causative agents are sought. The best example is the methods employed to epidemiologically establish the strong cause-and-effect nature of smoking and both lung cancer and heart disease. With amalgam, a wide range of diseases and conditions have been attributed to it based solely on self-reported improvements in symptoms when the amalgam restorations were removed. The already collected data on the morbidity and mortality of dentists who have a proven higher body burden of mercury than do the general public was ignored. Today, we also have compelling data from groups with and without restorations who lived under similar environmental conditions and these, too, refute the claims of amalgam toxicity.
Data strongly suggest that mercury levels many times higher than those associated with a mouth full of amalgam pose no risk of adverse health effects. There is evidence that the bodys mercury burden is highest immediately after placement or removal of amalgam restorations.29 This information casts a critical light on those dentists, physicians and patients who have claimed improvement of symptoms immediately after amalgam removal.
EBC requires an acceptance of an uncharacteristically high level of uncertainty concerning the impact of ones clinical interventions.78 In contrast to this, Dr.Huggins has proposed that in order for mercury to be a problem, order for mercury to be a problem, it would have to
demonstrate remission of the symptoms on amalgam removal.9 Thus, he and those who are similarly opposed to amalgam base their conclusions on clinical judgments of symptom improvement. In EBC, the following are seen as potentially leading to incorrect conclusions about treatment efficacy when one relies on clinical observation:
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placebo effects of treatment; *
statistical regression toward the mean; *
spontaneous remission; *
natural variability of signs and symptoms; *
failure to consider treatment dropout; *
bias in self-reports of symptom remission.79
The logical and methodological errors of the leading opponents of amalgam restorations are clearly evident when analyzed using the EBC paradigm.
In 1993, James Mason, M.D., the Assistant Secretary for Health, reaffirmed the U.S. Public Health Services position that there are no data to compel a change in the current use of dental amalgam.80
This review supports Dr. Masons conclusion, and I propose that EBC be used by clinicians as a way to more accurately evaluate health care interventions. Dr. Dodes is in private practice, 8639 Wood-haven Blvd., Wood-haven, N.Y. 11421, e-mail johndodes@aol.com. Address reprint requests to Dr. Dodes.
The author would like to thank Dr. Wilmer Eames for his friendship and encouragement.
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Shad J. Lewis, DMD, MA - 24 Nov 2004 18:06 GMT There will be NO effects. There is too much hype about amalgam fillings. It's very tiresome.
Seriously, feed all you want. It will not do a thing.
 Signature Shad Lewis www.WyomissingSmiles.com
Weezie - 25 Nov 2004 01:06 GMT You guys are psycho on this Jan person. That's all you can talk about. Her and amalgam on nipples. I asked a serious question that I am concerned about because I thought you guys knew something, but I guess I was wrong. Thanks anyway.
Luiza
carabelli - 25 Nov 2004 01:10 GMT > You guys are psycho on this Jan person. That's all you can talk about. > Her and amalgam on nipples. I asked a serious question that I am > concerned about because I thought you guys knew something, but I guess > I was wrong. Thanks anyway. > > Luiza Dr. Steve gave you good advice - I concur. Be happy Jan didn't reply, *if* you bought her advice you would have had several sleepless nights worrying.
carabelli
W_B - 25 Nov 2004 05:17 GMT >but I guess >I was wrong. > >Luiza Nope, you were right on that one.
Stupid questions always get goofy answers.
-- W_B
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE
Jan - 25 Nov 2004 07:02 GMT >Subject: Re: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >-- >W_B
>Subject: Re: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >-- >W_B Isn't that a veery nice way to treat a new poster with a very serious question.
Very very sad
Jan
Weezie - 25 Nov 2004 13:03 GMT > Nope, you were right on that one. > > Stupid questions always get goofy answers. You know, I am pretty sure that it is a legitimate concern, or at least a topic of controversy in the dental community, that has not yet been debunked. The least you can do is to respect points of view that are different from yours, or at least try to convince people who are *honestly* concerned over to your way of thinking, instead of insulting them.
BTW, The information I found on how to safely remove amalgams was on another DENTAL forum.
-Luiza
Joel M. Eichen - 25 Nov 2004 13:09 GMT >> Nope, you were right on that one. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >-Luiza See my recent post about how the Dental Community feels about this bunko stuff.
Joel
W_B - 25 Nov 2004 16:01 GMT >The least you can do is to respect points of view that >are different from yours OK why don't you have a nice tall glass of STFU ?
You like that opinion ?
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Jan - 26 Nov 2004 02:35 GMT >Subject: Re: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >-- >W_B
>Subject: Re: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >-- >W_B This is the guy that Dr steve says is nice.
W_B you are pathetic.
Jan
Jan - 26 Nov 2004 02:30 GMT >Subject: Re: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >From: grsgirl@aol.com (Weezie) [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >-Luiza Sorry you were treate so badly. Please be very careful in having any dental work done while nursing.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 26 Nov 2004 11:40 GMT >>BTW, The information I found on how to safely remove amalgams was on >>another DENTAL forum. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Jan Another nonsense post from Jen Drew, the non-dental.
Steven Fawks - 26 Nov 2004 14:36 GMT Most of us have been practicing dentistry for years and years. Some of us rarely, if ever, use amalgam in our practices. However, this has not been because of any controversy on health issues regarding the material. It has been a trend with the improvement of tooth colored materials and the public demand for more esthetic restorations.
*IF* you were a ruminant that chewed their cud for several hours a day, had 14 new amalgams placed yesterday, and then were nursing, there might be a slight risk.
In your case, you're pretty safe.
I get questions like this about 1-2 times a month (and a lot of other silly stuff that has nothing to do with amalgam). I'm not going to go through a 30 minute discussion every time someone comes up with one of these unusual 'concerns'.
It's quite difficult not to roll your eyes around and make a smart-assed remark when there is a live patient in the chair. Here, it is often the technique of an anti-amalgam troll to begin a diatribe.
Excuse us if we were a little incredulous,
Fawks
> You know, I am pretty sure that it is a legitimate concern, or at > least a topic of controversy in the dental community, that has not yet [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -Luiza Joel M. Eichen - 26 Nov 2004 15:10 GMT >Most of us have been practicing dentistry for years and years. Some of >us rarely, if ever, use amalgam in our practices. However, this has not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >had 14 new amalgams placed yesterday, and then were nursing, there might >be a slight risk. This is why cattle seldom get amalgams ......... they prefer composite with composite compatibility testing first, naturally.
Joel
>In your case, you're pretty safe. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> -Luiza Steven Fawks - 27 Nov 2004 13:06 GMT That was the 'Sheep Study' that was done in Canada about 25 years ago (that 'Chan' keeps quoting).
Fawks
>>*IF* you were a ruminant that chewed their cud for several hours a day, >>had 14 new amalgams placed yesterday, and then were nursing, there might [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Joel Jan - 28 Nov 2004 00:18 GMT >Subject: Re: Breastfeeding/ Amalgam fillings >From: Steven Fawks tuthjockey@earthlink.net [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Fawks Fawks stated it was flawed, when I ask him for proof, a usual he was not forth coming.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 28 Nov 2004 01:58 GMT >>That was the 'Sheep Study' that was done in Canada about 25 years ago >>(that 'Chan' keeps quoting). [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Jan So Jan is Fawks lying?
Steven Fawks - 28 Nov 2004 14:03 GMT If you could read, I just stated why the sheep study was flawed. Humans are not ruminants that chew their cud for hours. The massive amount of amalgam used in these sheep was not representative of any exposure that a patient would receive in a dental setting.
Your claim of mercury poisoning is also flawed as Rich and I have explained.
No amount of accusations from the POI will change that.
Fawks
>>Message-id: <QZ_pd.4807$NU3.4689@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Jan W_B - 28 Nov 2004 14:20 GMT >If you could read, I just stated why the sheep study was flawed. Humans >are not ruminants that chew their cud for hours. Sheep are also Hypsodont.
Teeth grow throughout the lifetime, like bovines and equines.
-- W_B
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Joel M. Eichen - 28 Nov 2004 15:31 GMT >>If you could read, I just stated why the sheep study was flawed. Humans >>are not ruminants that chew their cud for hours. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Teeth grow throughout the lifetime, >like bovines and equines. This is why sheep need composites, not amalgams.
Clinton C Zimmerman - 28 Nov 2004 19:00 GMT J.
> >Teeth grow throughout the lifetime, > >like bovines and equines. > > This is why sheep need composites, not amalgams. So you are saying, that Dentists should receive composites only?
W_B - 28 Nov 2004 19:53 GMT >So you are saying, that .. CZ is porcine
-- W_B
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Steven Fawks - 29 Nov 2004 14:21 GMT The gooney birds don't need modern dentistry at all for they have no teeth.
Fawks
> J. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So you are saying, that Dentists should receive > composites only? Joel M. Eichen - 29 Nov 2004 14:51 GMT >The gooney birds don't need modern dentistry at all for they have >no teeth. > >Fawks Nor do Geoducks, pronounced gooey-duck!
Joel
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Gobs of Geoducks
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Geoduck Facts
Home Body A developing geoduck burrows into sediment 1 foot per year. After digging about 3 feet deep, the adult geoduck settles in for 100 years or more.
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Siphon Stretch In burrowed adults, the siphon may stretch 39 inches to the sea bed.
Before You Dig For Geoducks or Any Other Shellfish...
Please respect the rights of private beach owners and dig only on public beaches. Sometimes public beaches are closed to shellfish gathering due to red tide (or paralytic shellfish poisoning), contamination to shellfish due to pollution, or overharvesting. Check the marine biotoxin Web site for information on red tides and beach closures. Ask your county health department about the area you plan to harvest. Get a shellfish license and check the Department of Fish and Wildlife shellfish rules & regulations. Avoid grabbing geoducks by the neck or siphon. After digging, fill in your holes. Protecting Geoducks & Water Quality
What comes off your lawn and your boat could end up in geoducks and other shellfish. What you can do... Protect water quality. Use pumpout locations while boating instead of dumping sewage. Inspect and fix failing septic systems. Maintain or install native plant buffers.
Related Links
Marine Biotoxin Bulletin, Washington State Department of Health. Before you dig for shellfish, visit this Web site for information on beach closures.
Gathering Safe Shellfish in Washington: Avoiding Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning, Pierce County Health Department. Poisoning symptoms, treatment, and how to avoid it.
Shellfish Rules and Regulations, Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife. Regulations and general information on shellfish harvesting.
Clam Diggers: Why Fill in Your Holes? Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife.
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>> J. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> So you are saying, that Dentists should receive >> composites only? Tony Bad - 29 Nov 2004 14:52 GMT > >The gooney birds don't need modern dentistry at all for they have > >no teeth. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Joel Hmmmmm...seems like someone else was watching PBS last night!
Those things are hard to look at aren't they?
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Joel M. Eichen - 29 Nov 2004 15:03 GMT >> >The gooney birds don't need modern dentistry at all for they have >> >no teeth. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Those things are hard to look at aren't they? That program has been making the rounds ...........
I saw it a couple of weeks ago.
The trouble with PBS is they scam people. Thery make one program and show it 500 times.
Joel
>T Tony Bad - 29 Nov 2004 15:32 GMT > The trouble with PBS is they scam people. Thery make one program and > show it 500 times. > > Joel But it is good for us people with short attention spans and bad memories, and it is also good for us people with short attention spans and bad memories.
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Joel M. Eichen - 29 Nov 2004 16:16 GMT >> The trouble with PBS is they scam people. Thery make one program and >> show it 500 times. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >But it is good for us people with short attention spans and bad memories, and it >is also good for us people with short attention spans and bad memories. No joke. Half the time I am thing ,,, "This seems a little familiar ...."
>T Tony Bad - 29 Nov 2004 16:23 GMT > No joke. Half the time I am thing ,,, "This seems a little familiar > ...." As a wise man once said (well...maybe not so wise)..."It's like deja vu all over again!"
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W_B - 01 Dec 2004 16:46 GMT >>But it is good for us people with short attention spans and bad memories, and it >>is also good for us people with short attention spans and bad memories. > >No joke. Half the time I am thing ,,, "This seems a little familiar >...." The other half of the time are you cousin it ? --
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Joel M. Eichen - 01 Dec 2004 17:05 GMT >>>But it is good for us people with short attention spans and bad memories, and it >>>is also good for us people with short attention spans and bad memories. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >The other half of the time are you cousin it ? What is cousin it? I know what thinging is.
W_B - 01 Dec 2004 19:24 GMT >>>>But it is good for us people with short attention spans and bad memories, and it >>>>is also good for us people with short attention spans and bad memories. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >What is cousin it? I know what thinging is. Aadams Family
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Dr Steve - 01 Dec 2004 19:35 GMT It drove up in a Messerschmitt KR-150 in the first movie. Very cool vehicle.
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> >>>>>But it is good for us people with short attention spans and bad [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Joel M. Eichen - 29 Nov 2004 15:04 GMT >> >The gooney birds don't need modern dentistry at all for they have >> >no teeth. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Those things are hard to look at aren't they? I do not know why but women seem to love them.
Joel
>T Jan - 29 Nov 2004 19:16 GMT Blathering rather than sticking with the subject
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W_B - 01 Dec 2004 16:46 GMT >> >The gooney birds don't need modern dentistry at all for they have >> >no teeth. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >T They taste quite good. --
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Joel M. Eichen - 01 Dec 2004 17:06 GMT >>> >The gooney birds don't need modern dentistry at all for they have >>> >no teeth. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >They taste quite good. From all appearances it appears pornographic.
W_B - 01 Dec 2004 20:24 GMT >>>Those things are hard to look at aren't they? >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >From all appearances it appears pornographic. Ten foot cyber-pole. --
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Tony Bad - 01 Dec 2004 21:23 GMT > >>>Those things are hard to look at aren't they? > >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > W_B see here now...
http://cses.washington.edu/cig/figures/GeoduckPhoto_BIG.jpg
http://www.olywa.net/cook/faq.htm
Tomorrow we learn about our friend the beaver.
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Joel M. Eichen - 01 Dec 2004 22:16 GMT >> On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:06:02 -0500, Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >http://cses.washington.edu/cig/figures/GeoduckPhoto_BIG.jpg REPLY
Gotta be careful. Are those kids over eighteen?
Joel
>http://www.olywa.net/cook/faq.htm > >Tomorrow we learn about our friend the beaver. > >T Joel M. Eichen - 01 Dec 2004 22:18 GMT >> On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:06:02 -0500, Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >T A geoduck is a car, I believe ,,, an amphibious car.
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Since the Questions have been known to be Frequent, here are the Answers ...
Q: How do you pronounce 'geoduck'? A: OK, so maybe people haven't been asking this, but they're almost certainly getting it all wrong, so you have to read this one anyway, and read it first. The proper way to pronounce the word is "gooey-duck", not "gee-oh-duck". Unlike learning the proper way to pronounce words such as "Cthulhu" and "YHWH", this admittedly does not entail risk to your mortal soul. Nevertheless, if you one day happen to fall into a conversation with a group of geoduck aficionados, you don't want to instantly reveal yourself to be a clueless newbie outsider, now do you?
The word is also sometimes spelled 'goeduck', but only by people who don't know any better.
Q: What is a geoduck? A: A geoduck is not a duck in any way, shape, or form. It is a species of large saltwater clam (Panope generosa) which is native to the northern Pacific coasts of Canada and the United States of America, that is, along the coasts of Washington state and the province of British Columbia. They live buried deep in the sand of ocean beaches, and feed on smaller sea creatures, sometimes reaching the age of 100+ years. The first time most people see one, they are immediately struck by the creature's strong resemblance to an oversized(?) example of a certain portion of the male anatomy. (If you've ever seen David Lynch's movie version of the science fiction novel Dune, think 'sandworm with an ill-fitting shell'.) Despite this seeming drawback, geoducks are dug up, cooked and eaten, particularly by people in China. If they can be caught; they are excellent diggers, and geoduck-hunting is not for the timid or squeamis
W_B - 01 Dec 2004 22:53 GMT >> On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:06:02 -0500, Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >T Gee wiz Wally... --
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Tony Bad - 02 Dec 2004 00:27 GMT > Gee wiz Wally... > -- > > W_B Isn't that one of the oddest creatures you have ever seen? I never saw or heard of them until I was channel surfing and stumbled across PBS while moving between my usual wrestling and cartoon channels...they showed a guy about to slice one up for cooking and I said what the heck is that...thought I was on the porn channel!
As that furry little dude in the Dr. Seuss book said..."From there to here, from here to there, funny things are everywhere..."
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W_B - 02 Dec 2004 00:41 GMT >> Gee wiz Wally... >> -- [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >T I started eating them in a sushi bar (prepared japanese style of course) in the mid 80's. You only get it in small slices.
Didn't actually see the whole creature until many years later. If you haven't tried it, you should.
Interesting texture, mild flavor. If you like japanese style octopus (tako; really !), you will like mirugai http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mirugai&spell=1
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StovePipe - 28 Nov 2004 18:07 GMT > >If you could read, I just stated why the sheep study was flawed. Humans > >are not ruminants that chew their cud for hours. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > W_B What about rabbits, like our little guy... Is is only the incisors that are Hypsodontia? Thanks SP
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Joel M. Eichen - 28 Nov 2004 18:34 GMT >> >If you could read, I just stated why the sheep study was flawed. Humans >> >are not ruminants that chew their cud for hours. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >are Hypsodontia? >Thanks What do you mean rabbis? Why would their teeth keep growing?
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>SP W_B - 28 Nov 2004 18:56 GMT >>> Sheep are also Hypsodont. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>are Hypsodontia? >>Thanks SP,
I didn't catch your question on SMD.
Rodentia are not Hypsodonts.
Hypsodont refers to the ruminants.
Rodentia dentition is the constant growth of the upper and lower central incisors.
Beaver, Rabbit, Squirrel... etc.
No present in larger animals.
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StovePipe - 28 Nov 2004 19:15 GMT > Rodentia are not Hypsodonts. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > W_B 10-Q SP
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W_B - 28 Nov 2004 20:00 GMT >10-Q >SP Well, Cum...
Err.. I meant....
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StovePipe - 29 Nov 2004 00:13 GMT > >10-Q > >SP [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE Ha!!! good one!!! SP
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carabelli - 28 Nov 2004 19:45 GMT > >>> Sheep are also Hypsodont. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > W_B John Elway?
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W_B - 28 Nov 2004 20:18 GMT >> Beaver, Rabbit, Squirrel... etc. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >carabelli JE is not a 'larger animal'
In our parts he would be ... well... bait. Could get several good gator hunts...
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StovePipe - 28 Nov 2004 19:15 GMT > >What about rabbits, like our little guy... Is is only the incisors that > >are Hypsodontia? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > >SP RabbITs, JME.... little furry animals common at Easter. AFAIK, our little guy is not Kosher, nor A-Rab, nor Catholic, nor Evangelical, nor Baptist, nor Cathar, nor Coptic, nor any other denomination that we know of...
Further, he dose
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