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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / November 2004Arguments Against Orthodontics
I need some help for my attorney to argue against orthodontics for my children. They have nice teeth, certainly nicer than mine or my ex-wife. For example, my oldest daughter who lived with me only wanted a retainer. She got that with the available insurance. She was the Senior Prom Queen - so her teeth weren't bad, and neither are her siblings. The kids orthodontist sold the ex-wife on the idea of braces, and since dad is likely to have to pay, it was an easy sale. Well, the fact is that I truly can't afford unnecssary expenses, and when the kids get their own jobs with their own benefits, they will be able to get what they want, or they can get retainers that the insurance will pay for. Is there anyone that can help me build a reasonable case where the orthodontics are truly for cosmetic reasons? > I need some help for my attorney to argue against orthodontics for my > children. They have nice teeth, certainly nicer than mine or my > ex-wife. For example, my oldest daughter who lived with me only wanted > a retainer. She got that with the available insurance. She was the > Senior Prom Queen - so her teeth weren't bad, and neither are her > siblings. You will have to take your kids to another and ask for a second opinion. If he agrees braces are required ask him to show you why he thinks they are necessary/recommended. Ask if he considers them necessary for cosmetic or functional reasons. For your kids sake don't pressure him into giving the answer you want. Get the right answer. Have to disagree with CWatters. and forgive me, orthodontists, but this is a topic I get hysterical on. Buff Daddy should tell his ex-wife to take a long walk on a short pier (as someone said) or pull her own teeth to make way for a possible stab at snagging another husband. Leave the kids alone, unless they can't eat, teeth are lost soon enough without pulling them. Don't know if overcrowding rushes the process of decay, but a bird in the hand is better than one in the bush (is that the right saying.) The teeth being straight is nothing compared to HAVING teeth. Again, apologies to orthos. I am sure there is enough business with consenting adults to make up for children. It may be a lousy opinion, but it is my opinion. If possible, save the teeth. Gail >Have to disagree with CWatters. and forgive me, orthodontists, but this is a >topic I get hysterical on. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >It may be a lousy opinion, but it is my opinion. If possible, save the teeth. >Gail You're the only person to mention extractions here! I don't even think that this has been treatment planned yet, so you don't know what is involved. Never mind that some people have had extractions + ortho and been perfectly happy with the result. Sometimes your body decides to make your teeth a lot bigger than they need to be for your jaw size. Then you only end up with 5 missing teeth and 4 years of floss threaders, and straight teeth. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Adenosine, You are right. I don't know what is involved. But I thought Buff Dad should have another opinion and not think Ortho is ALWAYS right. We get pressured too much in thinking all the professionals are always right, matter of fact we get pressured too much in too many things. Sometimes it takes years to think for yourself. You being the exception, Adenosine. Regards Gail > Adenosine, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Adenosine. Regards > Gail Isn't that exactly what the person you "had to disagree" with said??? They recommended getting another opinion and wisely advised that the decision should be based on the needs of the child. I have been involved in cases (not ortho) where children and the dentist has been placed in the middle of a war between shortsighted ex-spouses. There have been times when one wanted extra work done just to sock it to ex-hubby, and others where the party paying left my practice with his kids because he wanted me to say they didn't need treatment that they DID need. I have no idea what is right here, but the advice to seek another opinion is sound. The children's father should be open minded enough to take care of his kids needs if they are real. Another point to consider is that ortho is usually best completed on younger patients AND, once a person turns 18, it is quite rare that an insurance plan will pay for orthodontics. Adult ortho is rarely a covered benefit. As for "Well, the fact is that I truly can't afford unnecessary expenses"...taking care of your own kids healthcare needs is not what I'd call an unnecessary expense. Find out if the needs are real, and if so, suck it up and take care of you responsibilities. T T, You are right in all respects. I was just giving a personal opinion (and it really is my opinion) that Dad should not be pressured, as the natural response is to feel you must do everything the x spouse says is necessary. Of course, in the final analysis, dad will certainly seek the best for his children, regardless of cost which is the last consideration, probably. And thanks again for that article, very interesting and bolstered my insistence that teeth can take a beating from crohns also. And W-B gave some very good information too on other illnesses that will affect the mouth. and biology, science etc. which are another language for me. Actually, I was wrong in that thinking Dr. Kulacz was talking about disease affecting the teeth. He meant more that work on the teeth affect the body. Perhaps there is some truth to that also, but what comes first, chicken or egg, will be open for debate. Crohns was all I was concerned with, and in that the crohns comes first, then the whack with the teeth and mouth. and everywhere else. Gail >You're the only person to mention extractions here! I don't even think >that this has been treatment planned yet, so you don't know what is >involved. Just wait .... Jan will chime in very soon that all the kids need cavitations and mercury fillings removed. Joel > >Have to disagree with CWatters. and forgive me, orthodontists, but this is a > >topic I get hysterical on. > >Buff Daddy should tell his ex-wife to take a long walk on a short pier Well that route can just end up in court. Best get the second opinion before it gets that far. >I need some help for my attorney to argue against orthodontics for my >children. OK I am confused already. > They have nice teeth, certainly nicer than mine or my >ex-wife. For example, my oldest daughter who lived with me only wanted >a retainer. She got that with the available insurance. She was the >Senior Prom Queen - so her teeth weren't bad, and neither are her >siblings. >The kids orthodontist sold the ex-wife on the idea of braces, and >since dad is likely to have to pay, it was an easy sale. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Is there anyone that can help me build a reasonable case where the >orthodontics are truly for cosmetic reasons? Sure ........ Step one ............ have your attorney (or you) request x-rays and / or study models. Snap digital pictures and post on some website or e-mail to one of us and we will do it. We can then discuss this ad nauseum and you can select out what you will need to use as "expert terstimony." DISCLAIMER: There ARE many indications for orthodontics ... there are SOME indications against orthodontics ...... Martial discord is never proof positive for either one. Joel > I need some help for my attorney to Get a second opinion and go to the appointment with your child. Love is grand, divorce is 50 grand. carabelli >> I need some help for my attorney to > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >carabelli Good one, I never heard that! Joel > >> I need some help for my attorney to > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Joel Why is divorce so expensive? Because it's worth it. (have a friend who is a divorce attorney - have a lot more but they're not PG) >> Joel > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >(have a friend who is a divorce attorney - have a lot more but they're not >PG) You can't tell THAT ONE in mixed company either ...... except on the internet of course! >> >Love is grand, divorce is 50 grand. >> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >(have a friend who is a divorce attorney - have a lot more but they're not >PG) So send them privately. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> I need some help for my attorney to > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >carabelli New keyboard... -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Anytime I see a post coming from Dan, I put down my Diet Coke and swallow before reading! Fawks >>Love is grand, divorce is 50 grand. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > W_B > I need some help for my attorney to argue against orthodontics for my > children. They have nice teeth, certainly nicer than mine or my [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Is there anyone that can help me build a reasonable case where the > orthodontics are truly for cosmetic reasons? There are reasons that orthodontic treatment may not be necessary. But this depends upon the child's situation, and not your ability to pay. Who pays is part of your legal issue. If you think your daughter doesn't need orthodontic treatment, your lawyer should get your daughter another orthodontic exam, and if necessary a professional witness. Any reasons we give for why orthodontic treatment might not be necessary are pure speculation. Steve |
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