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Jack - 18 Nov 2004 21:40 GMT
Hello,

My dentist recently told me that I need a root canal.  I am having
some minor pain and a little bit of swelling and some infection with
one tooth.  The cost of getting the root canal and subsequent crown
here is too much for .  One of my friends is a orthodonists in
Colombia and I can get the procedure  done there much cheaper (even
after airfare). However, I have some concerns about flying before and
after the procedure.  Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated.

Jack
Rich - 18 Nov 2004 22:30 GMT
> Hello,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Jack

What's the big deal about flying? I've had many root canals done and it's
not a big deal. Heck, I even had a cell phone conversation with a file stuck
in #28 while my dentist was in another room!

Rich
W_B - 19 Nov 2004 05:36 GMT
>What's the big deal about flying? I've had many root canals done and it's
>not a big deal. Heck, I even had a cell phone conversation with a file stuck
>in #28 while my dentist was in another room!
>
>Rich

Have rarely done RCT on an airborne aircraft.
It is not impossible but is rarely the emergency
call when flying.  Think about it.

If I was your doctor you wouldn't have time for a phone call.
Of course on #28 you would only be in the chair for ~20 min
or less.

To be completely clear, total time in the chair is ~20 min (max) for
that particular tooth.

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
Rich - 19 Nov 2004 05:43 GMT
> >What's the big deal about flying? I've had many root canals done and it's
> >not a big deal. Heck, I even had a cell phone conversation with a file stuck
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> To be completely clear, total time in the chair is ~20 min (max) for
> that particular tooth.

Mine was about 30 minutes (not airborne)... I just answered the phone.. 2
minute call. Kind of awkward with the file or whatever stuck there but it
was an important call.

Rich

> --
> W_B
>
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
> Take out the G'RBAGE
Dr. Steve - 21 Nov 2004 23:30 GMT
>> >What's the big deal about flying? I've had many root canals done and it's
>> >not a big deal. Heck, I even had a cell phone conversation with a file
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
>Rich

If you use a cell phone in the clinical portion of my office you are
invited to go home. We do not allow cell phone use in the treatment
areas.
..
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Nov 2004 12:27 GMT
>>What's the big deal about flying? I've had many root canals done and it's
>>not a big deal. Heck, I even had a cell phone conversation with a file stuck
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>It is not impossible but is rarely the emergency
>call when flying.  Think about it.

This is true. Do they stop to take a dental chair onboard and what
about the weight requirements of the plane?

Joel

>If I was your doctor you wouldn't have time for a phone call.
>Of course on #28 you would only be in the chair for ~20 min
>or less.
>
>To be completely clear, total time in the chair is ~20 min (max) for
>that particular tooth.
ares - 23 Nov 2004 03:02 GMT
Was the rubber dam on?
ares

> What's the big deal about flying? I've had many root canals done and it's
> not a big deal. Heck, I even had a cell phone conversation with a file stuck
> in #28 while my dentist was in another room!
>
> Rich
Jan - 18 Nov 2004 23:54 GMT
>Subject: Root Canal and flying
>From: fjayhall@hotmail.com  (Jack)
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Jack

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm

http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html

http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm

http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm

http://www.cfsn.com/maz/

http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html

http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm

http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html

http://www.toothwisdom.net/

http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html

http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html

http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm

http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html

Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root. A dead
or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals. There is no way of
removing the bacteria once they are in there.

http://www.toothwisdom.net/

Toxicity from Root Canals

The next subject to be discussed are root canals and their possible source of
toxicity. Approximately twenty five million Americans undergo root canal
therapy every year in an effort to prevent the loss of teeth that have
abscessed. The root canal is the left portion of the tooth which houses the
vital organs such as the nerve and blood vessels. The dentist endeavors to
clean and sterilize this canal and fill it with a sterile, non toxic inert
material. This usually renders this tooth serviceable and non painful; however,
the entire inner hard core of the tooth is made of dentin which has several
million dentinal tubules. These tubules allow the circulation of lymphatic type
fluid to circulate from the vital organs of the root canal to the outside of
the tooth. This is a viable circulatory phenomenon which has a purpose. It
services the periodontal ligament as well as the sensory aspect of the nerve
and blood centers in the root canal. If the body chemistry is healthy, the flow
of lymphatic fluid is from the root canal to the outside of the tooth. This
creates an irrigation for the tooth and usually prevents the accumulation of
plaque to form. When the body chemistry is not healthy, then the circulation is
from the outside of the tooth to the inner root canal. This allows for no
irrigation, but rather an accumulation of plaque to form. There are many more
reasons for maintaining the integrity of the circulation in the dentinal
tubules. Root canal therapy completely destroys this integrity, and what
happens to the non-circulating fluid in these tubules? This fluid as it ages
becomes stagnant and becomes a toxic substance. This porous structure now
becomes a septic mass emanating poisons into the body. Is this what you want?
Mercury amalgams are said to be the caskets of the body. Root canals are said
to be the cadavers of the body.

I do not recommend root canals for anyone. Each individual has a right to their
decisions. Many people simply do not wish to lose a member of their body. I
respect this, and I always discuss the consequences.

The next area of discussion is whether the root canal filling actually
sterilizes the apical end of the tooth. There are so many lateral canals at the
root end of the tooth where bacteria can harbor that it is unlikely that a
complete aseptic condition exists. This, however, is a debateable subject.
Again, the complete acceptance of root canal therapy as a viable substitution
for extraction is completely and whole heartedly supported by organized
dentistry. You are in violation of the code of ethics if you speak out against
root canal therapy. When I was a practicing dentist, I always let the patient
make that decision after explaining all pros and cons.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

>California Judge Approves Landmark Warning on Mercury Use in Dentistry.
>
[quoted text clipped - 72 lines]
>
>###

Jan
Shad J. Lewis, DMD, MA - 19 Nov 2004 03:08 GMT
You're a pain in the ***

Signature

Shad Lewis
www.WyomissingSmiles.com

> >Subject: Root Canal and flying
>>From: fjayhall@hotmail.com  (Jack)
[quoted text clipped - 196 lines]
>
> Jan
Rich.@. - 19 Nov 2004 03:17 GMT
>You're a pain in the ***

While I won't argue with your assertion, why on earth did you have to
repost her entire post including all those links? It is bad enough
that she posts them. Thanx for your consideration.

Aloha,

Rich
Jan - 19 Nov 2004 04:07 GMT
>Subject: Re: Root Canal and flying
>From: "Shad J. Lewis, DMD, MA" shadlewis@comcast.net
>Date: 11/18/2004 7:08 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3MKdneBuwc02_gDcRVn-2Q@comcast.com>
>
>You're a pain in the ***

Truth bring unrest to the guilty.

Jan

>> >Subject: Root Canal and flying
>>>From: fjayhall@hotmail.com  (Jack)
[quoted text clipped - 196 lines]
>>
>> Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Nov 2004 12:30 GMT
>>You're a pain in the ***
>
>Truth bring unrest to the guilty.
>
>Jan

Jan,

Is Shad "in the club?"

Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Nov 2004 12:29 GMT
>You're a pain in the ***

Hey Shad,

Jan has posted this exact same stuff at least 30,000 times!

No exaggeration either!

Joel
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Nov 2004 12:28 GMT
>Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root. A dead
>or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals

Does anyone have any links to Break Dancing probs. after root canal
treatment?
Renate Ratlos - 21 Nov 2004 01:39 GMT
>Jan

Jan, the liar!

RR
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Jan - 21 Nov 2004 03:40 GMT
>Subject: Re: Root Canal and flying
>From: Renate Ratlos <renate.ratlos@bigfoot.com >
>Date: 11/20/2004 6:46 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <pb00q0l483rt389r2k3id07fglnvjuuik1@4ax.com>

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm

http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm

http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html

http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html

http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm

http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm

http://www.cfsn.com/maz/

http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html

http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm

http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm

http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html

http://www.toothwisdom.net/

http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html

http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html

http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm

http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html

Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root. A dead
or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals. There is no way of
removing the bacteria once they are in there.

http://www.toothwisdom.net/

Toxicity from Root Canals

The next subject to be discussed are root canals and their possible source of
toxicity. Approximately twenty five million Americans undergo root canal
therapy every year in an effort to prevent the loss of teeth that have
abscessed. The root canal is the left portion of the tooth which houses the
vital organs such as the nerve and blood vessels. The dentist endeavors to
clean and sterilize this canal and fill it with a sterile, non toxic inert
material. This usually renders this tooth serviceable and non painful; however,
the entire inner hard core of the tooth is made of dentin which has several
million dentinal tubules. These tubules allow the circulation of lymphatic type
fluid to circulate from the vital organs of the root canal to the outside of
the tooth. This is a viable circulatory phenomenon which has a purpose. It
services the periodontal ligament as well as the sensory aspect of the nerve
and blood centers in the root canal. If the body chemistry is healthy, the flow
of lymphatic fluid is from the root canal to the outside of the tooth. This
creates an irrigation for the tooth and usually prevents the accumulation of
plaque to form. When the body chemistry is not healthy, then the circulation is
from the outside of the tooth to the inner root canal. This allows for no
irrigation, but rather an accumulation of plaque to form. There are many more
reasons for maintaining the integrity of the circulation in the dentinal
tubules. Root canal therapy completely destroys this integrity, and what
happens to the non-circulating fluid in these tubules? This fluid as it ages
becomes stagnant and becomes a toxic substance. This porous structure now
becomes a septic mass emanating poisons into the body. Is this what you want?
Mercury amalgams are said to be the caskets of the body. Root canals are said
to be the cadavers of the body.

I do not recommend root canals for anyone. Each individual has a right to their
decisions. Many people simply do not wish to lose a member of their body. I
respect this, and I always discuss the consequences.

The next area of discussion is whether the root canal filling actually
sterilizes the apical end of the tooth. There are so many lateral canals at the
root end of the tooth where bacteria can harbor that it is unlikely that a
complete aseptic condition exists. This, however, is a debateable subject.
Again, the complete acceptance of root canal therapy as a viable substitution
for extraction is completely and whole heartedly supported by organized
dentistry. You are in violation of the code of ethics if you speak out against
root canal therapy. When I was a practicing dentist, I always let the patient
make that decision after explaining all pros and cons.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

>California Judge Approves Landmark Warning on Mercury Use in Dentistry.
>
[quoted text clipped - 72 lines]
>
>###

Jan
Shad J. Lewis, DMD, MA - 21 Nov 2004 05:09 GMT
Oh my God...  She needs to be admitted!  By two guys wearing white jackets
and pants...

Signature

Shad Lewis
www.WyomissingSmiles.com

Jan - 21 Nov 2004 07:41 GMT
>Subject: Re: Root Canal and flying
>From: "Shad J. Lewis, DMD, MA" shadlewis@comcast.net
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Oh my God...  She needs to be admitted!  By two guys wearing white jackets
>and pants...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

You might note, *I* didn't write the websites.

Secondly, you might note who did.

Thirdly, you might care to apologize

Brodin P Roed A Aars H Orstavik D [J Dent Res (1982 Aug) 61(8):1020-3 ]

Serper A Ucer O Onur R Etikan I [J Endod (1998 Sep) 24(9):592-4 ]

This is particularly so considering that these papers are published in the
foremost dental journals.

Dr. Shankland.

Dr. William Campbell Douglass'

Frank Jerome, D.D.S.

(my dentist, God Bless him)

Jeff Clark who shows the pictures that don't lie

Thomas Levy, M.D

Robert Gammal BDS

Genung Dentistry

Again, pictures don't lie

Dr. Richard J Chanin D M D

Karl Loren, Researcher, Author and Philosopher

California Judge Approves Landmark Warning on Mercury Use in Dentistry.
Dr. Steve - 21 Nov 2004 23:46 GMT
Consider the source carefully before acting on any links provided by
Jan
..
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
Dr Steve - 22 Nov 2004 19:48 GMT
ATTENTION ! ! !

For the sake of any new readers to this newsgroup. Jan is a retired
day care worker (owner according to her) who makes a lot of noise
about amalgam toxicity. She is not a dentist, has no training in dentistry,
and does not really understand scientific methods.  In addition, she flat
out refuses to engage in any discussion about this issue even when the
specific point of discussion does not contradict her own point of view. She
cannot
communicate much beyond pasting the words of other people to responses, even
when the quotes do not apply to what is being said. She, also, does not give
any credit
to the person from which she takes these quotations. Her behavior is
very similar to a software program designed to post specific remarks
to key words. Please be cautious if you choose to follow any advice
presented by her.

Recognize that her views do NOT reflect those of modern dentistry. Her
views mirror those of dishonest people who survive by preying on the
innocent.  If you watch and read carefully, you will see her accuse anyone
who does not agree with all her views (uneducated as they may be) of being a
liar.  When that does not get enough attention, she will resort to calling
people "heifer", "Jew-boy", Atheist, queer, etc.  Her behavior is certainly
not civil nor compassionate.

If you read exactly what her claims are in regard to amalgam toxicity, you
will find that her claims do not make scientific sense.  She claims to have
been healed of neurological defects during the time that her bodily mercury
levels would have been at their highest.  If she really had mercury
toxicity, she should have been more ill during this time, not feeling better
than she had in many years.  She is either badly mistaken, or she is lying
about what made her ill.

Even those individuals who would like to see amalgam banned from use, find
her posting methods and refusal to discuss any topics despicable.

Please recognize that there are far more people sensitive to Penicillin,
latex, peanuts, and even to bananas than there are people sensitive to
dental amalgam and the metals it contains.  None of those materials have
been banned, nor will they be banned in the future.
..
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
Vaughn - 19 Nov 2004 01:22 GMT
>However, I have some concerns about flying before and
> after the procedure.  Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated.

    Flying is an avocation (and occasonal vocation) of mine.  I have never had
an issue flying before or after a root canal.

   The dentists may tell you different, but I doubt it.

    As for the South American endo...

Good luck,
Vaughn

> Jack
StovePipe - 19 Nov 2004 04:40 GMT
> >However, I have some concerns about flying before and
> > after the procedure.  Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Good luck,
> Vaughn

Hey, Vaughn... what are you flying nowadays? Any more gliding or is it
powered flight?
Cheers
SP

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Not a real Addy, yet

Vaughn - 19 Nov 2004 11:18 GMT
> > >However, I have some concerns about flying before and
> > > after the procedure.  Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Hey, Vaughn... what are you flying nowadays? Any more gliding or is it
> powered flight?

    Just plain 'ole Cezznas.  My employer at the soaring place went out of the
rides & training business in favor of becoming an aircraft manufacturer.  The up
side is that I may become a part-time test pilot.

Vaughn
StovePipe - 20 Nov 2004 05:49 GMT
> > Hey, Vaughn... what are you flying nowadays? Any more gliding or is it
> > powered flight?
>
>      Just plain 'ole Cezznas.  My employer at the soaring place went out
> of the rides & training business in favor of becoming an aircraft
> manufacturer.

I knew that; that's why I asked.

>  The up side is that I may become a part-time test pilot.

Hey, that's great!!! Wrt flying, my own dad was happiest when he was a
check pilot.

> Vaughn

More Power to Ya!    ;-)
SP

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Not a real Addy, yet

Vaughn - 20 Nov 2004 12:37 GMT
> Hey, that's great!!! Wrt flying, my own dad was happiest when he was a
> check pilot.

    I see!  Flying in the family.  Do you fly also?  I started rather late in
life, but my daughter started at 12.

Vaughn
StovePipe - 20 Nov 2004 17:48 GMT
> > Hey, that's great!!! Wrt flying, my own dad was happiest when he was a
> > check pilot.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Vaughn

I did some while in college... Had to give it up afterwards, as the $$$
just wasn't there, as it isn't there now either. Someday, I'd like to go
back to it, but I'd re-take the course... too many years since I landed
a single engined Cesssssssna 152 (the only plane I've flown). Same thing
with jumpin' out of airplanes.... been a while, so I'd re-take the
course. When the little guy (DrainPipe) is fourteen or so (I think you
have to be fourteen here in Kannnaaaddddaaaaa), I'll see about getting
him a bursary to learn. It is best to do when you're young... you end up
with your licence even before you realize that it might just be a bit of
a risk.

One day, we might meet in the sky... I'll be the one flyin' upside down
and backwards, singin' an old 5th Dimension song....

Anyways, glad to hear that the gliding company thing didn't drown your
passion.... You know; I might have predicted that.... You remember the
photos you posted? One of the owners was smiling through his tears, so
to speak... like he had an  imminent appointment for perio surgery
without any anesthetic.... I'd say that at that time, his mind was made
up already, but I don't think he knew how to announce it. But, maybe I'm
wrong.... I have been known to be wrong.... The last time it happened,
W_B had me put in jail....
Cheeahs
SP
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W_B - 21 Nov 2004 15:05 GMT
>But, maybe I'm
>wrong.... I have been known to be wrong.... The last time it happened,
>W_B had me put in jail....
>Cheeahs
>SP

Did you learn your lesson ?

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
StovePipe - 21 Nov 2004 16:11 GMT
> >But, maybe I'm
> >wrong.... I have been known to be wrong.... The last time it happened,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> --
> W_B

NO!!! But I did get..... examined... by some unlicenced
proctologists....
SB
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Vaughn - 21 Nov 2004 17:16 GMT
> NO!!! But I did get..... examined... by some unlicenced
> proctologists....

    I hate it when that happens...

Vaughn (who is sitting in front of the computer whilst taking a Prairie Home
Companion break)
W_B - 21 Nov 2004 20:54 GMT
>> NO!!! But I did get..... examined... by some unlicenced
>> proctologists....
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Vaughn (who is sitting in front of the computer whilst taking a Prairie Home
>Companion break)

Talk about wireless !

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
W_B - 21 Nov 2004 20:53 GMT
>> >But, maybe I'm
>> >wrong.... I have been known to be wrong.... The last time it happened,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>proctologists....
>SB

Am sure you enjoyed every minute of it.

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
StovePipe - 22 Nov 2004 01:02 GMT
> >> >But, maybe I'm
> >> >wrong.... I have been known to be wrong.... The last time it happened,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> --
> W_B

... Worst experience of my miserable pathetic life... Wierd... as I was
leaving, they all stuck their heads out the windows and told me to say
'hello' to W_B.... Said they miss him and for him to get his little a.s
back in there as quickly as possible...

Curious... As I'm typing this, what comes on the radio (www.chom.com)??
'Lola' by The Kinks....
Cheers
SP
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W_B - 22 Nov 2004 05:12 GMT
>> >> >But, maybe I'm
>> >> >wrong.... I have been known to be wrong.... The last time it happened,
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>Cheers
>SP

Sorry mate, never been to Kaanaadaa....

Musta been your sister they was callin' for.

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
StovePipe - 22 Nov 2004 15:57 GMT
> Sorry mate, never been to Kaanaadaa....

Come on up and point out our mistakes to us... ;-)

> Musta been your sister they was callin' for.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
> Take out the G'RBAGE

.... This was North Carolina.... got stopped for speeding... My sister
was in Europe at the time...
SP
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Joel M. Eichen - 19 Nov 2004 12:33 GMT
>>However, I have some concerns about flying before and
>> after the procedure.  Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>    The dentists may tell you different, but I doubt it.

Now Vaughn, if you tell em that they occasionally bring the dental
chair onboard the gliders to do root canal while in flight
welll-l-l-l-, then I am really watching out whenever I see the gliders
come by.

Joel

PS- If there is an air space within a restoration, or an airspace
within the patient's alevolus (jaw) due to imperfectly obturated root
canal space, then conceivably, once you are way up there in the
stratosphere, there could be a pain-type problem.

Joel

>     As for the South American endo...
>
>Good luck,
>Vaughn
>
>> Jack
Vaughn Simon - 19 Nov 2004 14:51 GMT
> Now Vaughn, if you tell em that they occasionally bring the dental
> chair onboard the gliders to do root canal

    No room for that, but we do have a perfectly good seat that is equipped
with something that you guys should consider...a 4-point harness.

> PS- If there is an air space within a restoration, or an airspace
> within the patient's alevolus (jaw) due to imperfectly obturated root
> canal space, then conceivably, once you are way up there in the
> stratosphere, there could be a pain-type problem.

    True; but wouldn't that only be a problem with very bad dentistry
combined with very high altitudes?  The cabin altitude inside an airliner
usually does not go much above 10,000 feet, often much less.

Vaughn
Dr. Steve - 21 Nov 2004 23:36 GMT
>> Now Vaughn, if you tell em that they occasionally bring the dental
>> chair onboard the gliders to do root canal
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Vaughn

Pain in a tooth from altitude changes occurs when you have an inflamed
pulp. no after Rct

..
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
W_B - 22 Nov 2004 04:58 GMT
>>     True; but wouldn't that only be a problem with very bad dentistry
>>combined with very high altitudes?  The cabin altitude inside an airliner
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>..
>Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.

Voice of experience ?

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
Dr Steve - 22 Nov 2004 19:47 GMT
not my personal experience.  I have never had tooth pain on an airplane.

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~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
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Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>
>>>     True; but wouldn't that only be a problem with very bad dentistry
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
> Take out the G'RBAGE
W_B - 19 Nov 2004 05:28 GMT
>Hello,
>
>My dentist recently told me that I need a root canal.

> I can get the procedure  done there much cheaper (even
>after airfare).  

> Any thoughts and advice would be appreciated.

>Jack

OK Jack,

You are either an ignorant or cheap bastard.
Maybe both.

Just my thoughts.

Wanna second opinion ?
Your mother dresses you funny too.

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
Jan - 19 Nov 2004 05:37 GMT
>Subject: Re: Root Canal and flying
>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>--
>W_B

Dr Steve's real nice guy.

Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Nov 2004 12:34 GMT
>>W_B
>
>Dr Steve's real nice guy.
>
>Jan

... and always a gentleman ......
Advocate147 - 19 Nov 2004 06:16 GMT
"You are either an ignorant or cheap bastard.  Maybe both"

Take a deep breath and reconsider.  You are using the same language you
detested when directed not even at you.
And Joel, I know you can be deaf when need be.

Gail
I will be deaf and dumb too so comments can be saved.  
Did you  ever see "The many faces of----------?"
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Nov 2004 12:34 GMT
>"You are either an ignorant or cheap bastard.  Maybe both"
>
>Take a deep breath and reconsider.  You are using the same language you
>detested when directed not even at you.
>And Joel, I know you can be deaf when need be.

Give me a clue here, I have not been reading al lthe posts diligently
.....

Joel

>Gail
>I will be deaf and dumb too so comments can be saved.  
>Did you  ever see "The many faces of----------?"
Jack - 19 Nov 2004 23:13 GMT
Thanks for the insight and no thanks for the attacks.

Colombians have teeth as well.  Many people go to South American for
cheaper dental and cosmetic surgery.  Here is just one site that can
point you to find dentists, etc in Colombia:
http://www.odontologos.com.co/pacien.asp
They have societies and medical schools for dentistry and orthodontics
there and many specialists in endodontics.  Root canals and crowns are
common there.  And just like anywhere you have to do your research and
find a good doctor.  I have done that.  Why spend 5-1 to more dollars
for the same treatment here in the USA?  So call me frugal.  Might get
those wisdom teeth pulled as well that my dentist has been saying will
need to go soon and make the trip even that much more of a bargain.

I just wanted to know people's experience about this kind of dental
work and flying so I can plan out my flight dates.

Any other thoughts in regard to the ladder would be appreciated.
Dr. Steve - 21 Nov 2004 23:38 GMT
>>Hello,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>Wanna second opinion ?
>Your mother dresses you funny too.
BTW, an orthodontist is  not qualified to do RCT
..
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
W_B - 22 Nov 2004 05:02 GMT
>>Wanna second opinion ?
>>Your mother dresses you funny too.
>BTW, an orthodontist is  not qualified to do RCT
>..
>Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.

And most GP's are lax in their diagnostic as well as treatment skills
in regard to RCT.

An ortho is qualified, s/he is just usually 'out of practice' in that
regard.

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
Roy Brown - 19 Nov 2004 09:12 GMT
Barodontia or barotrauma are normally associated with diving. Rapid air
pressure changes may be experienced in flying and cause similar symptoms
(pain).

[PDF] HPD 411 - Aviation and Diving - Dental Considerations
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... undetected pulp canals, and carious teeth are prime ... to therapy
rendered for pain
of dental origin at ... Barotrauma 7. Gradual deterioration of the soft
tissue ...
www.defence.gov.au/dpe/dhs/infocentre/ publications/directives/HPD411.PDF
Signature

Roy
DotSeaEh is .ca

| Hello,
|
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
|
| Jack
G Xpetros - 19 Nov 2004 19:40 GMT
> Barodontia or barotrauma are normally associated with diving. Rapid air
> pressure changes may be experienced in flying and cause similar symptoms
> (pain).

Yes, it can happen. But, it is actually worse not to have RCT before
you fly. An inflamed or necrotic pulp will cause a lot more pain than
a tooth that has been treated with RCT. IMHO however, most cases of
toothache during flight are simple barosinunitis.

George
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Nov 2004 20:25 GMT
>> Barodontia or barotrauma are normally associated with diving. Rapid air
>> pressure changes may be experienced in flying and cause similar symptoms
>> (pain).

Barodontics ... hmmmmmmm .... sounds like weight loss for teeth ....

That's bariatrics!

>Yes, it can happen. But, it is actually worse not to have RCT before
>you fly. An inflamed or necrotic pulp will cause a lot more pain than
>a tooth that has been treated with RCT. IMHO however, most cases of
>toothache during flight are simple barosinunitis.
>
>George
 
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