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wierdtooth - 15 Nov 2004 23:27 GMT
About 18 months ago I bit down very hard on a bone and could've sworn
I cracked a tooth...but dentists saw no crack. (it's 2nd tooth from
the back, on the top)   For a month after that, it was very sensitive
to cold (but only for a few seconds).  Xrays show nothing abnormal,
and a very good filling (although some, but not all, say they see a
"crack line" on the top surface but they cannot see how far down it
goes...no dentists say that "crackline".   I do have some gum erosion,
but I doubt that's related to the problem/pain below.

Anyway,  about 6 months ago, this started:  About one in ten bites
(depending on the angle or the shape of the food, which i can never
identify) causes ALOT of sharp pain...feels like something "deep" but
i cannot really explain it....just feels like "oh i just cracked a
tooth".   Then the pain goes away fairly quickly.    I can usually
chew anything and it's fine, just about one in ten bites cause that
problem.  Never any pain at any other time.

Although I should add:  for a 3-week period a few months ago, that
tooth was very sensitive to cold liquid for maybe 6 seconds (just like
it was about 18 months ago, initially) and also to chewing in
general...but it was mainly pain from cold liquid.      Then the
cold-pain went away after a few weeks....the one-in-ten-bite pain is
here and always will be it seems.   I can live with it...it really
doesn't bother me (not enough to want to have major dental work unless
I need it)...i just chew more cautiously.  But i want to prevent any
future problems.

So I saw about 5 dentists last month when I was visiting
Bangkok....some of the best dental centers (and very low cost for
these consultations, sometimes free)....All of them spent quite a bit
of time examining, questioning, looking at xrays....testing my bite
and putting cold water on my tooth...but they often could not elicit
pain from the tooth...it's usually painful when I bite a certain way
that they could not always replicate...and the cold water problem is
from SWISHING the water in my mouth...not from them dropping cold
water drops.   I'm going back there soon but I'm unsure of whether I
should have the filling taken out.  There was not alot of agreement on
what should be done among the different dentists.  But none of them
saw any problems....with the eye or xrays (taken a few times over the
past 18 months).

One dentist said to try a temp. crown and see what happens.  One
dentist said that would not be useful at all.
A crown dentist said he thinks the pain is coming from one side of the
tooth, so he quickly added a composite filling onto the side...it
didn't help.
Two endodontists said probably need root canal, but they need to take
out the filling and see whats there.  One of them said maybe the nerve
is exposed just below the filling.
A periodontist (who I trust the most and have used him for my
root-plane-scalings over the past 2 years) said the nerve would not be
exposed below my filling, but that if the pain continues the filling
should be taken out to examine...then maybe root canal.

Well, he said that while i was still having the cold pain last month.
But it went away a few weeks ago...Of course, I'm left with the one in
ten bite pain.    He said (last year, when I was not having cold pain)
that one-in-ten types of pain usually would not warrant taking out a
good filling....maybe wait till ....??...something gets worse?..not
sure.

So, what should be done..have them take out the filling..or just live
it with it and see if it goes away (no, the one-in-ten pain
won't)...or,  maybe there is a crack that noone sees (cracks can't be
seen easily from xrays, right?), and maybe its dangerous?.   I'd like
to take care of this while i'm in thailand for the next month...i
can't afford US dental care.
Also,  WHY would a temp crown NOT be a helpful diagnostic.  One
dentist said if there is a crack, a temp crown wouldn't make any
difference.
Joel M. Eichen - 16 Nov 2004 00:23 GMT
>About 18 months ago I bit down very hard on a bone and could've sworn
>I cracked a tooth...but dentists saw no crack. (it's 2nd tooth from
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>saw any problems....with the eye or xrays (taken a few times over the
>past 18 months).

Try Dr. Lily.

>One dentist said to try a temp. crown and see what happens.  One
>dentist said that would not be useful at all.
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>dentist said if there is a crack, a temp crown wouldn't make any
>difference.
Adenosine - 16 Nov 2004 01:40 GMT
>So, what should be done..have them take out the filling..or just live
>it with it and see if it goes away (no, the one-in-ten pain
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>dentist said if there is a crack, a temp crown wouldn't make any
>difference.

If this was my tooth I'd have the tooth opened up and inspected for
cracks. Worst case senerio is that it still bothers you, and you have
to get the thing extracted. I would've had the thing opened up a long
time ago when it hurt to chew with it!

You might as well try to get this tooth to stop bothering you while
you can afford it financially. Worst case senerio is that you have to
extract it anyway. Right now, if it is cracked, you never know when
the thing will decide to 'blow up' on you, and if you can't afford a
crown, you probably won't be able to afford an implant or bridge in
the US. If the thing needs to be extracted in Thailand, at least you
may be able to afford a bridge to replace it.

--
Adenosine
Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
wierdtooth - 16 Nov 2004 13:29 GMT
I should add that there is still some slight pain from cold liquids,
but probably not really anymore than slight cold-pain that comes from
all of my teeth.    And I'm not sure about the one in ten
bites...maybe its one in fifteen....I'd say maybe only 3 bites per day
on the average actually hurt....then the rest of the day or night it's
perfect.   Crunchy peanut butter is one thing that often does the
"trick" (causes pain)....I'll be chewing it, everything perfect, that
AHHHH.....one little particle I bite on causes it...then everything
perfect again.   So, given the rarity of the pain right now, it's a
tough decision on whether to take out a good filling?   I'd say the
average opinion of the dentists on this is to leave it alone for now,
but I'm not sure, especially since I want to take advantage of the
fact that I'll be visiting thailand soon.
Adenosine - 16 Nov 2004 14:04 GMT
>I should add that there is still some slight pain from cold liquids,
>but probably not really anymore than slight cold-pain that comes from
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>but I'm not sure, especially since I want to take advantage of the
>fact that I'll be visiting thailand soon.

Pain is NOT NORMAL!

Your teeth should not hurt.

If your tooth has a fractured cusp, it will keep on getting more and
more fractured until you end up having it split into a few pieces when
you bite down! As I see it, you can choose to try to protect this
tooth now, or continue living with UNEEDED PAIN!

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Adenosine
Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
Dr Steve - 16 Nov 2004 18:46 GMT
Listen carefully.............

Have the filling removed and have any stain on the vertical walls of the
inner surfaces removed.  Then, insist on a 10-14X magnification using an
Intra-Oral Camera or an Operating Microscope.  Have the inner surface
examined for fracture lines.  From your description, I would expect to see
two or more vertical fractures and one horizontal fracture line (at the base
of one or more cusps).  Then, have a bonded porcelain onlay fabricated to
restore the tooth.  We can go into detail on how to reduce the cusp above
the horizontal fracture, but hopefully you will find a dentist who can
actually think.  All the vertical fractures (if they are discolored) need to
be cut through.

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Troy, Michigan, USA
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>
>>I should add that there is still some slight pain from cold liquids,
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> Adenosine
> Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
Adenosine - 16 Nov 2004 20:04 GMT
>Listen carefully.............
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>actually think.  All the vertical fractures (if they are discolored) need to
>be cut through.

Do you think, in the case of the tooth being fractured, a 7/8th gold
crown or a full gold crown would also work? Bonded porcelain is great
looking and strong, but I, on my teeth, would perfer the material with
the best record over time.

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Adenosine
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Dr Steve - 16 Nov 2004 20:31 GMT
I would suggest what-ever material and technique which will leave the
greatest amount of axial wall standing (thickness) after the prep.

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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>
>>Listen carefully.............
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Adenosine
> Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
W_B - 16 Nov 2004 21:22 GMT
>>Listen carefully.............
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>--
>Adenosine

Really depends on where the fractures are.

Gold has a longer history of use than the new
porcelain restorations but, gold is just luted
in place whereas porcelain can be bonded.
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Dr Steve - 16 Nov 2004 21:25 GMT
>>>Listen carefully.............
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> porcelain restorations but, gold is just luted
> in place whereas porcelain can be bonded.

Gold can be thinner, but requires greater length to be retentive and there
must be enough residual tooth structure to provide both retention and
resistance form.  Porcelain requires greater bulk of material, but does not
need to have the entire height of the tooth to gain enough
retention/resistance.
Adenosine - 16 Nov 2004 21:44 GMT
>>>Listen carefully.............
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>porcelain restorations but, gold is just luted
>in place whereas porcelain can be bonded.

I thought you could bond gold, or at least I've seen dentists posts
claiming that.

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Adenosine
Semi-informed Dental Consumer ?
W_B - 16 Nov 2004 22:15 GMT
>>Really depends on where the fractures are.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>I thought you could bond gold, or at least I've seen dentists posts
>claiming that.

You can pack 24K gold into a preparation.
This is called gold foil, or direct gold.
You cannot make a crown out of it.

Think that there are some claims of
tooth/gold bonding.
I remain unimpressed with such claims.

The dental cement used to attach gold crowns
(of any configuration) is considered a luting agent.
I use Fuji1 and have for twenty years.
Have used others but Fuji releases fluoride
and decreases recurrent decay IMO.
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W_B - 16 Nov 2004 21:02 GMT
>So, given the rarity of the pain right now, it's a
>tough decision on whether to take out a good filling?

If your tooth is fractured, by definition the filling cannot
be good. There will be micro leakage.

>   I'd say the
>average opinion of the dentists on this is to leave it alone for now,

I wouldn't wait.

>but I'm not sure, especially since I want to take advantage of the
>fact that I'll be visiting thailand soon.

Get it fixed.
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Joel M. Eichen - 16 Nov 2004 12:19 GMT
>About 18 months ago I bit down very hard on a bone and could've sworn
>I cracked a tooth...but dentists saw no crack. (it's 2nd tooth from
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>goes...no dentists say that "crackline".   I do have some gum erosion,
>but I doubt that's related to the problem/pain below.

If the tooth has a silver filling, it sounds like there is a cracked
cusp. I frequently miss those until the patient comes back with the
cusp in hand ...

Joel

>Anyway,  about 6 months ago, this started:  About one in ten bites
>(depending on the angle or the shape of the food, which i can never
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>dentist said if there is a crack, a temp crown wouldn't make any
>difference.
Shad J. Lewis, DMD, MA - 16 Nov 2004 14:28 GMT
Ahhh - I am familiar with this symptom - your back molars function primarily
compressing food - subjecting them to very large amounts of vertical force,
causing vertical fractures a lot of the times.  These fractures commonly run
down the sides of the tooth, where it touches it neighbor teeth.    When you
bite down on food, this causes the tooth to split apart ever so slightly,
causing the pain.  I had this happen on myself.  I had this happen on many
of my patients, and, in most cases, a full coverage crown solve the
problem - a full coverage crown will not let the tooth split apart anymore.

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Dr Steve - 16 Nov 2004 18:47 GMT
Shad, sir,,,,, chewing does not break teeth.  clenching with isometric
bruxism does.

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Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

> Ahhh - I am familiar with this symptom - your back molars function
> primarily compressing food - subjecting them to very large amounts of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> full coverage crown solve the problem - a full coverage crown will not let
> the tooth split apart anymore.
wierdtooth - 16 Nov 2004 23:38 GMT
Thanks so far to everyone. So, i hear possible cracked cusp, possible
vertical cracks.  How is this diagnosed?  (Noone has yet said yes or
no about taking out the filling to examine it...so is it yes? Or,
instead should a crown be put first to see if it stops the pain?   Of
course, in 2 weeks I"ll ask my dentists about this, but its nice to
have some background info.
Dr Steve - 17 Nov 2004 00:22 GMT
Did I or did I not already respond?

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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

> Thanks so far to everyone. So, i hear possible cracked cusp, possible
> vertical cracks.  How is this diagnosed?  (Noone has yet said yes or
> no about taking out the filling to examine it...so is it yes? Or,
> instead should a crown be put first to see if it stops the pain?   Of
> course, in 2 weeks I"ll ask my dentists about this, but its nice to
> have some background info.
wierdtooth - 17 Nov 2004 15:17 GMT
I just read your post about taking out the filling, etc.  Thanks (i
get my messages many hours after they're posted).

Do you (and the other dentists) think the the rarity (rare-frequency)
of the pain will change what has been said so far, about possible
causes and treatments and taking out filling?  Pain from one in 100
(or maybe even rarer) bites is actually more accurate...I did a bad
job of estimating the frequency earlier.  And on an average day, I'd
say I only get the pain a few times from the bites (and sometimes not
at all)...but eating all day with no problem at all.  And never any
pain without those rare bites.   And it only happens from some
uniquely shaped food or particles...for example, in crunchy peanut
butter, if one of the tiny pieces touches the tooth a certain way
during a bite...etc.
So from the point of view of dentists, is there a change on what to
do?  From the patient point of view, it becomes much more of a
dilemma....take out a good filling due to rare pain....?

> Did I or did I not already respond?
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > course, in 2 weeks I"ll ask my dentists about this, but its nice to
> > have some background info.
Dr Steve - 17 Nov 2004 15:28 GMT
What part of my two previous posts to you did not read or choose to ignore?

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Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>I just read your post about taking out the filling, etc.  Thanks (i
> get my messages many hours after they're posted).
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>> > course, in 2 weeks I"ll ask my dentists about this, but its nice to
>> > have some background info.
wierdtooth - 18 Nov 2004 02:16 GMT
I chose to ignore all of them.

> What part of my two previous posts to you did not read or choose to ignore?
>
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> >> > course, in 2 weeks I"ll ask my dentists about this, but its nice to
> >> > have some background info.
Steven Fawks - 18 Nov 2004 13:33 GMT
That is certainly your perogative.

It is, however, a mistake.

When several dentists agree on the most likely cause for a set of
symptoms, and these dentists have no financial interests plus years of
experience in dealing with these issues, you would be hard pressed
to get a more accurate recommendation.

JMO,
Fawks

> I chose to ignore all of them.
wierdtooth - 22 Nov 2004 01:35 GMT
I wasn't talking about several dentists....I was responding to HIS
question about his posts.   Rather than try to answer my simple
question, I mainly just got sarcastic responses in which he pretends
that I "ignore" his posts. (but thanks for YOUR info.).

> That is certainly your perogative.
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> > I chose to ignore all of them.
Steven Fawks - 22 Nov 2004 14:07 GMT
I thought you were replying to Dr. Mancuso (he usually gives very
reasonable advice.  Perhaps I was wrong.  My apologies.  I wasn't trying
to be a smart alec.

Best wishes,
Fawks

> I wasn't talking about several dentists....I was responding to HIS
> question about his posts.   Rather than try to answer my simple
> question, I mainly just got sarcastic responses in which he pretends
> that I "ignore" his posts. (but thanks for YOUR info.).
Joel M. Eichen - 22 Nov 2004 14:39 GMT
>I thought you were replying to Dr. Mancuso (he usually gives very
>reasonable advice.  Perhaps I was wrong.  My apologies.  I wasn't trying
>to be a smart alec.
>
>Best wishes,
>Fawks

The best best is always to reply,

"Dear Steve,"

There could be hundreds if not thousands of mistaken identities .....

\

>> I wasn't talking about several dentists....I was responding to HIS
>> question about his posts.   Rather than try to answer my simple
>> question, I mainly just got sarcastic responses in which he pretends
>> that I "ignore" his posts. (but thanks for YOUR info.).
Steven Fawks - 22 Nov 2004 17:59 GMT
Yeah, that will narrow it down a lot!

;-)
Fawks

> The best best is always to reply,
>
> "Dear Steve,"
wierdtooth - 28 Nov 2004 09:35 GMT
CONCLUSION:  Dentist in Thailand started taking the filling out and
said
(not her exact words): "Ahhh, I see the problem immediately.  This
filling is coming out much too easily....yes, that's because the
filling is cracked".  So, she then put in a new permanent filling and
said she's quite sure that's the cause of the problem....not a
cracked/fractured tooth.  So far, seems she's is correct since I've
had no biting pain so far (although it was rare to begin with).
Perhaps the title of my initial post through off the dentists in this
group, although my post DID explain what was meant by a "good filling"
(i.e., dentists who looked at it from the outside said is was
good)...but no one mentioned a cracked filling as a possibility.
Joel M. Eichen - 28 Nov 2004 10:28 GMT
>CONCLUSION:  Dentist in Thailand started taking the filling out and
>said
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>(i.e., dentists who looked at it from the outside said is was
>good)...but no one mentioned a cracked filling as a possibility.

If you were with Dr. Lily, you were in good hands!

Joel M. Eichen DDS
wierdtooth - 25 Nov 2004 04:15 GMT
Yes, that's who I meant by "his".  

> I thought you were replying to Dr. Mancuso (he usually gives very
> reasonable advice.  Perhaps I was wrong.  My apologies.  I wasn't trying
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> > question, I mainly just got sarcastic responses in which he pretends
> > that I "ignore" his posts. (but thanks for YOUR info.).
W_B - 25 Nov 2004 06:08 GMT
>Yes, that's who I meant by "his".  

And your point is... ?

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Adenosine - 18 Nov 2004 17:52 GMT
>I chose to ignore all of them.

I hope you have a high tolerance for pain.

Just be reminded whenever the thing hurts biting into something that
you could've done something to make chewing a pleasure and not a pain.

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wierdtooth - 19 Nov 2004 02:34 GMT
> >I chose to ignore all of them.
>
> I hope you have a high tolerance for pain.
>
> Just be reminded whenever the thing hurts biting into something that
> you could've done something to make chewing a pleasure and not a pain.

I guess you didn't read my last post from more than 2 days ago in
which I said the pain is very rare, and I asked a question about that
fact (and no one answered it).  I can tell you one thing:  I saw at
least 5 dentists about 6 weeks ago and NONE of them said is was
anything near an "urgent" problem, and they all said it would not be a
problem for me to wait 2 months or so and re-visit with them.
StovePipe - 19 Nov 2004 05:26 GMT
> I guess you didn't read my last post from more than 2 days ago in
> which I said the pain is very rare, and I asked a question about that
> fact (and no one answered it).

Not quite true..  DrS said that the pain is there only when you hit the
tooth with a food substance that puts a force vector right in the
direction needed to force fractured parts apart. At times, it is not the
forcing apart that causes the pain but the pinch on the periodontal
ligament that happens when the tooth snaps back into position. I cannot
believe that living with this as a chronic situation is good for the
nerve of your tooth, to say nothing about the possible bone loss around
the fractured part of the tooth, if indeed the fracture is against the
bone.
Just my thoughts
SP
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W_B - 17 Nov 2004 19:05 GMT
>I just read your post about taking out the filling, etc.  Thanks (i
>get my messages many hours after they're posted).
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>do?  From the patient point of view, it becomes much more of a
>dilemma....take out a good filling due to rare pain....?

As I pointed out earlier a tooth with a fracture is not considered
to have a 'good filling period.

Your symptoms will only get worse with time and depending
on the nature of the fracture can lead to tooth loss.

Get it treated already.

Done with this thread,

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W_B - 17 Nov 2004 17:26 GMT
>Thanks so far to everyone. So, i hear possible cracked cusp, possible
>vertical cracks.  How is this diagnosed?  (Noone has yet said yes or
>no about taking out the filling to examine it...so is it yes?

Mancuso and me said yes.

>Or,
>instead should a crown be put first to see if it stops the pain?

No, try the least invasive procedure first.

>  Of
>course, in 2 weeks I"ll ask my dentists about this, but its nice to
>have some background info.

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Steven Fawks - 16 Nov 2004 17:44 GMT
This is a very common problem.  It isn't always simple to fix (as you're
finding out).

*Sounds like* a cracked tooth.  Could be just sore from clenching during
sleep.  Can't tell over the internet.  Can't always tell when you're
sitting in the chair!

I talk the case over with the patient and start by checking the
occlusion and often fitting the patient with an NTI to prevent any
night time clenching.

If pain goes away, you're done.  If not......

Take out old filling and inspect for cracks.  Bond in new filling.  If
cracks are found, moving on to a crown is my next step.  If the biting
problems are improved with the temporary crown in place (a little cold
sensitivity isn't abnormal at this stage), I'll cement the permanent
crown.  Quit there.

If the tooth is worse with the temporary crown in place, I'll do a root
canal before cementing the crown.

Some dentists jump right to the root canal and crown and usually get rid
of the pain.  To me, that is often unnecessary as long as the patient
understands the steps that I take to do the least amount of work and
still solve the problem.

Best wishes,
Fawks

> About 18 months ago I bit down very hard on a bone and could've sworn
> I cracked a tooth...but dentists saw no crack. (it's 2nd tooth from
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
> dentist said if there is a crack, a temp crown wouldn't make any
> difference.
joe - 17 Nov 2004 01:57 GMT
This is a very common problem.  It isn't always simple to fix (as
you're
finding out).

*Sounds like* a cracked tooth.  Could be just sore from clenching
during
sleep.  Can't tell over the internet.  Can't always tell when you're
sitting in the chair!

snip

Having pain from only 10% or %5 of bites doesn't sound like a common
problem....and why would clenching have anything to do with it if it
all started from one point in time...biting down hard on a bone 18
months ago.

> This is a very common problem.  It isn't always simple to fix (as you're
> finding out).
[quoted text clipped - 96 lines]
> > dentist said if there is a crack, a temp crown wouldn't make any
> > difference.
Dr Steve - 17 Nov 2004 13:15 GMT
"joe" <johnaroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message

> snip
>
> Having pain from only 10% or %5 of bites doesn't sound like a common
> problem....and why would clenching have anything to do with it if it
> all started from one point in time...biting down hard on a bone 18
> months ago.

Cracked tooth only hurts when you spread the fractured peice away from the
bulk of the tooth.  There could (depending on where the crack is and how the
teeth are shaped) be only one path of movement, and you have to get the
force vector to go in that direction.  Chewing does NOT break teeth!  The
force of actual tooth contact during chewing is very light.  At night while
sleeping, you can spend hours squeezing and isometrically grinding with over
600 psi.  Usually, the patient will initiate the crack while clenching and
isometrically grainding during sleep.  Then, many times, the patient will be
eating something rather soft, *which encourages the mouth to chew faster
with more force*, and the final insult will occur with this relatively light
force.  We dentists see this all the time.  If the fracture goes through the
wrong place, you could end up needing a root canal procedure [right
George?], or if the fracture extends down into the root, you end up losing
the tooth.

Listen carefully,,,,,,,, the filling needs to come out and the inside of the
tooth studied under high magnification.  If it has been 18 months already,
you could be in big trouble very soon if you procrastinate any longer.  You
might already have waited too long.

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>> This is a very common problem.  It isn't always simple to fix (as you're
>> finding out).
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>> > dentist said if there is a crack, a temp crown wouldn't make any
>> > difference.
Joel M. Eichen - 17 Nov 2004 13:36 GMT
>Cracked tooth only hurts

I was thinking parafunction .......

Joel
Steven Fawks - 17 Nov 2004 14:27 GMT
Thanks for saving me the time to write all of this stuff down.

You and I see it almost daily, but I still get a few blank stares
when I'm trying to explain it to patients.

Fawks

> "joe" <johnaroberts@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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> you could be in big trouble very soon if you procrastinate any longer.  You
> might already have waited too long.
W_B - 17 Nov 2004 18:04 GMT
> If the fracture goes through the
>wrong place, you could end up needing a root canal procedure [right
>George?], or if the fracture extends down into the root, you end up losing
>the tooth.

Indeed.

But can have benefits, but only in the right circumstance.
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Dr Steve - 17 Nov 2004 18:05 GMT
But,,,,,,,,,, every dentist does not keep 21 year old Scotch handy for
afterwards.

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>> If the fracture goes through the
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W_B - 17 Nov 2004 18:25 GMT
>But,,,,,,,,,, every dentist does not keep 21 year old Scotch handy for
>afterwards.

They should, afterall it is a standard of practice ;-)
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W_B - 17 Nov 2004 18:26 GMT
>But,,,,,,,,,, every dentist does not keep 21 year old Scotch handy for
>afterwards.

That's just good 'follow up' care.
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Advocate147 - 17 Nov 2004 22:06 GMT
But every  dentist  does not keep 21 year old Scotch handy for afterwards.
"That's just good follow up care"

Who is responsible for the patient getting home.   or does he sleep out the
night at the office.

Gail
W_B - 17 Nov 2004 22:59 GMT
>But every  dentist  does not keep 21 year old Scotch handy for afterwards.
>"That's just good follow up care"
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>
>Gail

Arrangements were made.

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Adenosine - 17 Nov 2004 22:10 GMT
>>But,,,,,,,,,, every dentist does not keep 21 year old Scotch handy for
>>afterwards.
>
>That's just good 'follow up' care.

Man, I have to find a new dentist. I mean, some people go after the
ones who are quick to hand out the Vicodin, but I think that the aged
Scotch would be a very nice post-operative comfort.

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W_B - 17 Nov 2004 22:57 GMT
>>>But,,,,,,,,,, every dentist does not keep 21 year old Scotch handy for
>>>afterwards.
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>ones who are quick to hand out the Vicodin, but I think that the aged
>Scotch would be a very nice post-operative comfort.

It works quite nicely, case selection is important.
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Advocate147 - 18 Nov 2004 00:13 GMT
Adenosine,

"I think the aged Scotch would be a very nice post-operative comfort"

Adenosine, you are so very honest, it is    comforting after all the catcalls
of Liar.
Gail.
W_B - 16 Nov 2004 21:26 GMT
> if the pain continues the filling
>should be taken out to examine...then maybe root canal.

Probably the best bet. Get the fill removed and the fracture examined.
May or may not need RCT

>Well, he said that while i was still having the cold pain last month.
>But it went away a few weeks ago...Of course, I'm left with the one in
>ten bite pain.    He said (last year, when I was not having cold pain)
>that one-in-ten types of pain usually would not warrant taking out a
>good filling....maybe wait till ....??...something gets worse?..not
>sure.
It will only get worse, get the tooth treated while it still can be saved.

My bet is that you partially fractured the tooth when you heard the
sound. Fractures only propagate, they do not heal.

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