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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / November 2004A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam
http://www.algonet.se/~leif/yflan96a.html Langworth S & Stromberg R. A case of high mercury exposure from dental amalgam. Eur J Oral Sci 104:320-321 (1996) ABSTRACT: "This report describes a patient who suffered from several complaints, which by herself were attributed to her amalgam fillings. Analysis of mercury in plasma and urine showed unexpectedly high concentrations, 63 and 223 nmol/l, respectively. Following removal of the amalgam fillings, the urinary excretion of mercury became gradually normalized and her symptoms declined." >ABSTRACT: "This report describes a patient who suffered from several >complaints, which by herself were attributed to her amalgam fillings. Is her name Jan Drew? > >ABSTRACT: "This report describes a patient who suffered from several > >complaints, which by herself were attributed to her amalgam fillings. > > Is her name Jan Drew? nanomoles???????????????? >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >From: purple543210@yahoo.ca (Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS.) >Date: 11/14/2004 2:02 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <b72aca93.0411141402.5a09dcc4@posting.google.com> > >Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com Blatherings as usual http://www.algonet.se/~leif/yflan96a.html Langworth S & Stromberg R. A case of high mercury exposure from dental amalgam. Eur J Oral Sci 104:320-321 (1996) ABSTRACT: "This report describes a patient who suffered from several complaints, which by herself were attributed to her amalgam fillings. Analysis of mercury in plasma and urine showed unexpectedly high concentrations, 63 and 223 nmol/l, respectively. Following removal of the amalgam fillings, the urinary excretion of mercury became gradually normalized and her symptoms declined." A randomised controlled trial was carried out to determine whether health disturbances alleged to mercury release from dental amalgam fillings, i.e. "amalgam disease", may be caused by an increased sensitivity to mercury (Hg). In the form of a double-blind test, 39 volunteers who themselves suspected "amalgam disease" inhaled small doses of mercury vapour (0.6-10 microg) or pure air in a random sequence. After the induction procedure, the test persons assessed whether they reacted or not, i.e. experienced increased illness or not. The test persons also registered the daily intensity of their various symptoms. Calculated on the whole population, there was no statistically significant difference between the number of reactions after inhalation of mercury vapour compared with after inhalation of air. Two subjects, however, reacted significantly more often to mercury vapour than to air. The results do not support that short-term exposure to low doses of Hg vapour in general promotes clinical illness in subjects who themselves suspect "amalgam disease". The deviating reactions presented by two test persons, however, may support the theory that occasional individuals can be sensitive to very low doses of Hg. Stromberg et al 1999 > >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >>From: purple543210@yahoo.ca (Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS.) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > urinary excretion of mercury became gradually normalized and her symptoms > declined." But were there any laboratory tests performed that would yield data other than the "subjective" assessment from the subjects? I suppose I'm asking if the study was a psychiatric study. It would be important to know this information. TW > A randomised controlled trial was carried out to determine whether health > disturbances alleged to mercury release from dental amalgam fillings, i.e. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > urinary excretion of mercury became gradually normalized and her symptoms > > declined." > But were there any laboratory tests performed that would yield data > other than the "subjective" assessment from the subjects? I suppose I'm > asking if the study was a psychiatric study. It would be important to > know this information. > TW Good queston. I think JC is playing devils advocate. He is actually anti-amalgam. Claims the stuff should be immediately banned. I am Anti-Amalgam and Anti-Drew I hope that is clear. John C >> But were there any laboratory tests performed that would yield data >> other than the "subjective" assessment from the subjects? I suppose I'm [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Good queston. I think JC is playing devils advocate. He is actually > anti-amalgam. Claims the stuff should be immediately banned. >I am Anti-Amalgam and Anti-Drew I am both of the above plus anti-dentite ......... >I hope that is clear. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Good queston. I think JC is playing devils advocate. He is actually >> anti-amalgam. Claims the stuff should be immediately banned. >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >John C As a bell. That's the ONLY reason he posted it. How very childish. Jan I was merely correcting Mr Zimmerman's observation as we would not like any misconceptions. >>I am Anti-Amalgam and Anti-Drew >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jan >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I was merely correcting Mr Zimmerman's observation as we would not like any >misconceptions. You just caught yurself in a lie. You were replying to my post. Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk Date: 11/14/2004 4:20 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <cn8spa$iit$1@hercules.btinternet.com> A randomised controlled trial was carried out to determine whether health disturbances alleged to mercury release from dental amalgam fillings, i.e. "amalgam disease", may be caused by an increased sensitivity to mercury (Hg). In the form of a double-blind test, 39 volunteers who themselves suspected "amalgam disease" inhaled small doses of mercury vapour (0.6-10 microg) or pure air in a random sequence. After the induction procedure, the test persons assessed whether they reacted or not, i.e. experienced increased illness or not. The test persons also registered the daily intensity of their various symptoms. Calculated on the whole population, there was no statistically significant difference between the number of reactions after inhalation of mercury vapour compared with after inhalation of air. Two subjects, however, reacted significantly more often to mercury vapour than to air. The results do not support that short-term exposure to low doses of Hg vapour in general promotes clinical illness in subjects who themselves suspect "amalgam disease". The deviating reactions presented by two test persons, however, may support the theory that occasional individuals can be sensitive to very low doses of Hg. Stromberg et al 1999 <snip I was NOT replying to your post (you are NOT that important). - I know that for sure because I wrote it. This was Mt Zimmerman's Quote: 'Good question. I think JC is playing devils advocate.' Please notice the 'I think'. My reply was confirmation of my position - as stated. These are the facts as stated in the written record and not as you stated. You simply are not that important. No further bitchy drivel will be replied to in this thread. >I am Anti-Amalgam and Anti-Drew >I hope that is clear. >John C > >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > <snip >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk >Date: 11/15/2004 11:19 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <cnc9mt$rbj$1@titan.btinternet.com> > >I was NOT replying to your post (you are NOT that important). Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk Date: 11/14/2004 4:20 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <cn8spa$iit$1@hercules.btinternet.com> A randomised controlled trial was carried out to determine whether health disturbances alleged to mercury release from dental amalgam fillings, i.e. "amalgam disease", may be caused by an increased sensitivity to mercury (Hg). In the form of a double-blind test, 39 volunteers who themselves suspected "amalgam disease" inhaled small doses of mercury vapour (0.6-10 microg) or pure air in a random sequence. After the induction procedure, the test persons assessed whether they reacted or not, i.e. experienced increased illness or not. The test persons also registered the daily intensity of their various symptoms. Calculated on the whole population, there was no statistically significant difference between the number of reactions after inhalation of mercury vapour compared with after inhalation of air. Two subjects, however, reacted significantly more often to mercury vapour than to air. The results do not support that short-term exposure to low doses of Hg vapour in general promotes clinical illness in subjects who themselves suspect "amalgam disease". The deviating reactions presented by two test persons, however, may support the theory that occasional individuals can be sensitive to very low doses of Hg. Stromberg et al 1999 > >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >>From: purple543210@yahoo.ca (Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS.) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > urinary excretion of mercury became gradually normalized and her symptoms > declined." >A randomised controlled trial was carried out No it wasn't this is denial ...... >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk >Date: 11/15/2004 11:19 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <cnc9mt$rbj$1@titan.btinternet.com >I was NOT replying to your post (you are NOT that important). - I know that >for sure because I wrote it. >This was Mt Zimmerman's Quote: 'Good question. I think JC is playing devils >advocate.' >Please notice the 'I think'. My reply was confirmation of my position - as >stated. Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk Date: 11/14/2004 ***** 4:20 PM Pacific Standard Time****** Message-id: <cn8spa$iit$1@hercules.btinternet.com> A randomised controlled trial was carried out to determine whether health <snip> Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam From: clintonz@prodigy.net (Clinton C Zimmerman) Date: 11/15/2004 ***** 1:22 AM Pacific Standard Time***** Message-id: <a4025728.0411150122.3f6fff2@posting.google.com> Good queston. I think JC is playing devils advocate. He is actually anti-amalgam. Claims the stuff should be immediately banned. Please stop lying. Jan >Please stop lying. >Jan ??????????? You accurately restated my case :) with a correct quote proving what I said was true...... and then said it was a lie!!!!!! How is the therapy going? You seem to like to present yourself as half mad (as a hatter).With the other half of the amalgam out, would you be completely mad or completely cured? > >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Jan >>Please stop lying. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >other half of the amalgam out, would you be completely mad or completely >cured? BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAH..... *chortle* -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >>Jan You were replying to my post. Proof. >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk >Date: 11/15/2004 11:19 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <cnc9mt$rbj$1@titan.btinternet.com> > >I was NOT replying to your post (you are NOT that important). Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk Date: 11/14/2004 4:20 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <cn8spa$iit$1@hercules.btinternet.com> A randomised controlled trial was carried out to determine whether health disturbances alleged to mercury release from dental amalgam fillings, i.e. "amalgam disease", may be caused by an increased sensitivity to mercury (Hg). In the form of a double-blind test, 39 volunteers who themselves suspected "amalgam disease" inhaled small doses of mercury vapour (0.6-10 microg) or pure air in a random sequence. After the induction procedure, the test persons assessed whether they reacted or not, i.e. experienced increased illness or not. The test persons also registered the daily intensity of their various symptoms. Calculated on the whole population, there was no statistically significant difference between the number of reactions after inhalation of mercury vapour compared with after inhalation of air. Two subjects, however, reacted significantly more often to mercury vapour than to air. The results do not support that short-term exposure to low doses of Hg vapour in general promotes clinical illness in subjects who themselves suspect "amalgam disease". The deviating reactions presented by two test persons, however, may support the theory that occasional individuals can be sensitive to very low doses of Hg. Stromberg et al 1999 > >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >>From: purple543210@yahoo.ca (Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS.) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > urinary excretion of mercury became gradually normalized and her symptoms > declined." >>I was merely correcting Mr Zimmerman's observation as we would not like any >>misconceptions. > >You just caught yurself in a lie. > >You were replying to my post. Jan nearly died after Break Dancing ...... Is it a fact that Mercury poisoning makes you nuts and rant a lot? >>>I was merely correcting Mr Zimmerman's observation as we would not like >>>any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jan nearly died after Break Dancing ...... >Is it a fact that Mercury poisoning makes you nuts and rant a lot? Only if you like Break Dancing ..... >>>>I was merely correcting Mr Zimmerman's observation as we would not like >>>>any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Jan nearly died after Break Dancing ...... >Is it a fact that Mercury poisoning makes you nuts and rant a lot? Well, that explains everything. As I got older, I got more amalgam restorations, and I became more insane! I see the light now! -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >From: Adenosine adeno@nospam4u.org [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Adenosine >Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Did you see John's lie?? Jan >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk >Date: 11/16/2004 7:31 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <cnd6g2$rf9$1@hercules.btinternet.com> > >Is it a fact that Mercury poisoning makes you nuts and rant a lot? Isults follow, after one has ben caught lying. Replyig to Joel is another good clue. Jan "Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote............. > Isults follow, after one has ben caught lying. > > Replyig to Joel is another good clue. > > Jan Really Jan, are you using an unsecured network? That second grader again. your friend carabelli >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Jan <insult snipped> Proof. Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk Date: 11/14/2004 4:20 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <cn8spa$iit$1@hercules.btinternet.com> A randomised controlled trial was carried out to determine whether health disturbances alleged to mercury release from dental amalgam fillings, i.e. "amalgam disease", may be caused by an increased sensitivity to mercury (Hg). In the form of a double-blind test, 39 volunteers who themselves suspected "amalgam disease" inhaled small doses of mercury vapour (0.6-10 microg) or pure air in a random sequence. After the induction procedure, the test persons assessed whether they reacted or not, i.e. experienced increased illness or not. The test persons also registered the daily intensity of their various symptoms. Calculated on the whole population, there was no statistically significant difference between the number of reactions after inhalation of mercury vapour compared with after inhalation of air. Two subjects, however, reacted significantly more often to mercury vapour than to air. The results do not support that short-term exposure to low doses of Hg vapour in general promotes clinical illness in subjects who themselves suspect "amalgam disease". The deviating reactions presented by two test persons, however, may support the theory that occasional individuals can be sensitive to very low doses of Hg. Stromberg et al 1999 > >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >>From: purple543210@yahoo.ca (Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS.) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > urinary excretion of mercury became gradually normalized and her symptoms > declined." > >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam > >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk > >Date: 11/16/2004 7:31 AM Pacific Standard Time > >Message-id: <cnd6g2$rf9$1@hercules.btinternet.com> > Replyig to Joel is another good clue. > > Jan Who is "Joel" who you mention? TW Mercury poisoning......... Does it produce dyslexia? or just make you nuts? >> >Subject: Re: A Case Of High Mercury Exposure From Dental Amalgam >> >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Who is "Joel" who you mention? > TW >Mercury poisoning......... > >Does it produce dyslexia? or just make you nuts? It causes a severe lack of ability to Break Dance ....... > A randomised controlled trial was carried out to determine whether health > disturbances alleged to mercury release from dental amalgam fillings, i.e. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > individuals can be sensitive to very low doses of Hg. > Stromberg et al 1999 Amalgam poisoning is long term and chronic probably many times with a methyl, bacterial component. The load is in the tissue, you can't reproduce that by breathing in a few whiffs of air with Hg. That's moronic. And by definitin someone who has "amagam disease" is already poisoned. You can't cause poisoning in someone who is already poisoned by having them inhale a little more Hg vapor. That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. How did this study. NIH, Dental School? That only works if you assume that only Hg allergy exists which is the obvious biased assumption of the authors. That's why they also concluded that the 2 individuals who did show reactions did so only because "occasional individuals can be sensitive. It couldn't be a result of pre-existing clinical poisoning. That possiblity was subconsiously tossed out the window. Of course! Clincal posioning doesn't exist! Only allergy! The researcher doing the study, not the patient needs to tested for psychological bias and the "placebo effect". How do these people work? They come up with some cockeyed theory about how they think Hg effects people then write up an authoritative sounding study that gets published. Thanks for reminding me that 100% of amalgam research, "proving" that amalgam is safe is pure garbage. >> A randomised controlled trial was carried out to determine whether health >> disturbances alleged to mercury release from dental amalgam fillings, [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > heard. > How did this study. NIH, Dental School? It was done in Sweden, you look it up - easy to do with google. "The results do not support that short-term exposure to low doses of Hg vapour in general promotes clinical illness in subjects who themselves suspect "amalgam disease". That's what they chose to study. What of it? There are plenty of papers done on a variety of subjects that IMO would only be of interest to the authors and probably the publishers were having trouble filling that month's issue with articles. That's the beauty of Medline - you can read a short abstract and decide if you wish to take the effort to find the full article. carabelli > That only works if you assume that only Hg allergy exists which is > the obvious biased assumption of the authors. That's why they also [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thanks for reminding me that 100% of amalgam research, "proving" that > amalgam is safe is pure garbage. "carabelli" <huerter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<VU6md.910529$> >> test persons assessed whether they reacted or not, i.e. experienced > >> increased illness or not. The test persons also registered the daily > >> intensity of their various symptoms. Calculated on the whole population, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > It was done in Sweden, you look it up - easy to do with google. The whole study? > "The results do not support that short-term exposure to > low doses of Hg vapour in general promotes clinical illness in subjects who > themselves suspect "amalgam disease". > > That's what they chose to study. What of it? The wording, judged from the abstract alone seems to support reseacher bias. How can you create illness (i.e poisoning) in someone who is already ill. The author states: "After the induction procedure, the test persons assessed whether they reacted or not, i.e. experienced increased illness or not." If someone is already sick from a lot of exposure, why would they get sicker from a little, any more than someone who has cancer or lung disease from years of exposure to cigarette smoke, would get more cancer or more lung disease from a few cigarettes in a study designed to test for correlations between cigarette smoking and cigarette caused disease ? If a few test subjects did cough after giving them a cigarette, would you then state: "The deviating reactions presented by two test persons (5%) to cigarette smoke however, may support the theory that occasional individuals with suspected (self reported) cancer or lung disease from cigarettes may be allergic to very low doses of cigarette smoke. The study does not however, support the premise that short term exposure to cigarette smoke in general causes cancer or lung disease" The whole concept of cause and effect is flawed. A better conclusion would be: "The deviating reactions presented by 5% of persons to cigarette smoke , however, may support the theory that a statistically significant number of individuals with suspected cancer or lung disease from cigarettes may be reactive to very low doses of cigarette smoke. Possibly as a direct result of pre-existing lung disease caused by chronic smoking." > "carabelli" <huerter@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<VU6md.910529$> >> test persons assessed whether they reacted or not, i.e. experienced > > >> increased illness or not. The test persons also registered the daily > > >> intensity of their various symptoms. Calculated on the whole population, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > The whole study? Nah, I think part of it was done in Norway. > > "The results do not support that short-term exposure to > > low doses of Hg vapour in general promotes clinical illness in subjects who [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > The whole concept of cause and effect is flawed. No, I would agree with premise and conclusion. I would also say who cares and then *not* take the time to read the full article carabelli >>Joel M. Eichen <joeleichen@yahoo.com > >Blatherings as usual What are baltherings? |
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