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How to evaluate a new crown? What to ask beforehands?

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Rip - 07 Nov 2004 23:14 GMT
What should an educated patient (with a dental mirror)  look for after
a new crown is finished. What's normal. What should not happen?
What are some obvious signs of poor or great work.

What are some questions to ask before the work is done and possibly
evaluate if it'll be done correctly?
Steven Bornfeld - 07 Nov 2004 23:27 GMT
> What should an educated patient (with a dental mirror)  look for after
> a new crown is finished. What's normal. What should not happen?
> What are some obvious signs of poor or great work.
>
> What are some questions to ask before the work is done and possibly
> evaluate if it'll be done correctly?

    You are not going to "smoke out" a lousy dentist by asking questions
about specific procedures.  Neither are you going to be able to judge
the quality of a crown by yourself.  You will know if it looks lousy,
you'll know if it hurts.  You'll know if food gets caught between it and
the adjacent teeth, you'll know if the bite is grossly off.
    But you have to trust your dentist, or find one you can trust.  You can
start with a good referral, from a patient who has been treated by the
dentist for a while.  You can look for a friendly, well-run office that
is clean, where patients are seen pretty much on time (allowing for
emergencies).  The dentist should not be rushed, especially during
examinations, and should be interested in preventing (insofar as
possible) further dental problems down the line.
    But you aren't going to be able to judge all the possible problems with
a crown on your own.

Steve
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Nov 2004 11:59 GMT
>> What should an educated patient (with a dental mirror)  look for after
>> a new crown is finished. What's normal. What should not happen?
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>you'll know if it hurts.  You'll know if food gets caught between it and
>the adjacent teeth, you'll know if the bite is grossly off.

EXCELLENT REPLY

Thanks!

Joel

>    But you have to trust your dentist, or find one you can trust.  You can
>start with a good referral, from a patient who has been treated by the
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>
>Steve
Joel M. Eichen - 08 Nov 2004 11:58 GMT
>What should an educated patient (with a dental mirror)  look for after
>a new crown is finished.

I would get the mirror into the pocket where my wallet is .... see if
it feels lighter.

> What's normal. What should not happen?
>What are some obvious signs of poor or great work.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder .... literally true! I have seen
so many crappy crowns that an excellent one really stands out.

But its like the Mona Lisa ..... in words, too tough. By sight?? I can
really appreciate it.

Joel

>What are some questions to ask before the work is done and possibly
>evaluate if it'll be done correctly?
Rip - 19 Nov 2004 04:46 GMT
Can quality of a crown be judged via an x-ray by the patient or a
dentist.

>>What should an educated patient (with a dental mirror)  look for after
>>a new crown is finished.
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>>What are some questions to ask before the work is done and possibly
>>evaluate if it'll be done correctly?
Joel M. Eichen - 19 Nov 2004 12:07 GMT
>Can quality of a crown be judged via an x-ray by the patient or a
>dentist.

Yes and no!

I can determine cheezy countours or chickletitis by the x-ray alone,
but imprefect margins can slip through .....

Chickletitis is where the replacement tooth resembles a Chicklet ~ way
too big for the size of the other teeth.

Joel

>>>What should an educated patient (with a dental mirror)  look for after
>>>a new crown is finished.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>>>What are some questions to ask before the work is done and possibly
>>>evaluate if it'll be done correctly?
Rip - 29 Nov 2004 05:50 GMT
Is it ok if there is a small vertical space between the bottom of the
crown and the gum on buccal.e.g. your finger nail catches under the
crown if you run the nail up from gum to tooth.

What about if the floss catches at the bottom of a molar on distal.

How would you test for good margins?

>>Can quality of a crown be judged via an x-ray by the patient or a
>>dentist.
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>>>>What are some questions to ask before the work is done and possibly
>>>>evaluate if it'll be done correctly?
StovePipe - 29 Nov 2004 12:55 GMT
> Is it ok if there is a small vertical space between the bottom of the
> crown and the gum on buccal.e.g. your finger nail catches under the
> crown if you run the nail up from gum to tooth.

No. plaque will accumulate there. Check between teeth with dental floss.
Ideally, it should be redone if this is true.

> What about if the floss catches at the bottom of a molar on distal.

Overhang on the filling. Get if filed, with anesthesia if necessary.
> How would you test for good margins?
Dental explorer, which is like a sharp pin.
HTH
SP
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Rip - 29 Nov 2004 22:20 GMT
>> Is it ok if there is a small vertical space between the bottom of the
>> crown and the gum on buccal.e.g. your finger nail catches under the
>> crown if you run the nail up from gum to tooth.
>No. plaque will accumulate there. Check between teeth with dental floss.
>Ideally, it should be redone if this is true.

What is the definitions of margins? Is it this kind of space
underneath the tooth I am asking about? i.e there should be no space
between tooth and gums?
How difficult is it to redo?

>Overhang on the filling. Get if filed, with anesthesia if necessary.
>> How would you test for good margins?
>Dental explorer, which is like a sharp pin.

Is this considered poor work also i.e. the crown should have been
lower and no overhang necessary. Is the cement or overhang just going
to erode away, etc?

>> Is it ok if there is a small vertical space between the bottom of the
>> crown and the gum on buccal.e.g. your finger nail catches under the
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>HTH
>SP
Rip - 30 Nov 2004 00:43 GMT
I asked the dentist about this and she feels it's fine and she is
comfortable with it. She did 2 crowns, an upper bicuspid and a lower
first molar.

I said that the floss does not catch on the mesial of molar or on
either side of bicuspid. She then used the floss on the bicuspid and
said: "see it catches there, too. If you maintain good hygiene, it'll
be fine."

Now I am worried. I guess I should get a second opinion?

I did get that office as a referral from a neighbor who has been going
there for a while, however they do charge about 2/3 of the cost of
others.

Should the floss not catch whatsoever?

>>> Is it ok if there is a small vertical space between the bottom of the
>>> crown and the gum on buccal.e.g. your finger nail catches under the
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>>HTH
>>SP
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 30 Nov 2004 00:49 GMT
> I asked the dentist about this and she feels it's fine and she is
> comfortable with it. She did 2 crowns, an upper bicuspid and a lower
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>
> Should the floss not catch whatsoever?

    This is an ideal, but it is not always achievable.  For that matter I
sometimes catch floss between teeth that have never been filled or
decayed, much less crowned.
    It's probably fine, but by all means get a second opinion if you have
any doubts.

Steve

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Dr. Steve - 30 Nov 2004 01:50 GMT
>Is it ok if there is a small vertical space between the bottom of the
>crown and the gum on buccal.e.g. your finger nail catches under the
>crown if you run the nail up from gum to tooth.
That usually indicates night-time parafunction-
..
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA

Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
Joel M. Eichen - 30 Nov 2004 12:53 GMT
>>Is it ok if there is a small vertical space between the bottom of the
>>crown and the gum on buccal.e.g. your finger nail catches under the
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>
>Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.

Tablet PC? That's a step back.

I personally like Cuneiform on a clay tablet but its way too slow for
me!

Joel
Rip - 01 Dec 2004 10:29 GMT
Darn,

Are you referring to both buccal and distal areas?

Have you seen the gum  improve once parafunction situations are
resolved e.g. with NTI.

Is there anything else that can be done to make the gum go over the
tooth.

Should the area be cleaned/brushed/flossed etc  in some other way or
best left alone?

>That usually indicates night-time parafunction-
>..
Dr Steve - 01 Dec 2004 14:15 GMT
> Darn,
>
> Are you referring to both buccal and distal areas?

Buccal

> Have you seen the gum  improve once parafunction situations are
> resolved e.g. with NTI.

It should stop the progresion of the recession (as long as the device
dontinues to be used)

> Is there anything else that can be done to make the gum go over the
> tooth.

Surgical grafting

> Should the area be cleaned/brushed/flossed etc  in some other way or
> best left alone?

All areas of the mouth need to be clean.

>>That usually indicates night-time parafunction-
>>..
Rip - 20 Dec 2004 15:32 GMT
Could parafunction cause something like that immediately or would it
take time. If a splint is worn can this still happen.

This was noticed on a new crown within 2 weeks. I don't know if it was
there immediately or not. The original tooth had nothing like that
before the crown.

Another crown was done on a bicuspid and no space between the gum on
any side is present.

>>Is it ok if there is a small vertical space between the bottom of the
>>crown and the gum on buccal.e.g. your finger nail catches under the
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>
>Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
Dr Steve - 20 Dec 2004 19:56 GMT
A properly done splint should prevent this occurrence.

I doubt it could occur in a period of only 2 weeks.

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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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> Could parafunction cause something like that immediately or would it
> take time. If a splint is worn can this still happen.
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>>Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor
>>handwriting.
 
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