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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / November 2004haven't seen dentist in 7 years
I have not been to the dentist in about 7 years or so at least. The last time I was there I had gingivitis, my gums would bleed profusely whenever I brushed them. It was disgusting. So the doc said I had gingivitis, perhaps no pockets more than a 4 or so if I recall correctly at the time. So, the doc did this procedure where he scraped the plaque, etc out from under my gums. Then he issued me a rotadent, taught me how to floss and brush, and for a good while I was doing it, and returning to see him for check ups for the next year and a half. Then I stopped seeing him. Over the years I've long since given up the rotadent, but the flossing and brushing, and listerine (my idea), have more or less stuck with me ever since. In fact, I generally brush, floss, and listerine at least 2, but usually 3 or so times per day. I've occasionally had some bleeding when I flossed behind one particular tooth, but being extra diligent about flossing it for a couple of days typically made the bleeding go away. Other than that I've had absolutely ZERO bleeding anywhere, which I think I should feel good about no? I have had some degree of recession in my gum line though and there is a little gap in my 2 front teeth where the gum would normally fill in (I think you know what I mean if you're in the dental industry). This recession definitely does concern me on a number of levels, but hasn't scared me to the point of making an appointment. Well fast forward to last night. I was eating at a steakhouse with a friend and a piece of that same tooth that occasionally bleeds, say about 1/4 of that tooth, just broke right off as I was eating my salad. I suppose I swallowed it. Anyhow, now I'm making an appointment with my dentist again. What do you think I should expect with respect to the tooth and with respect to ginigivitis? To recap: -haven't seen dentist in 7 or so years -last time i'd seen him i was bleeding, but he did the scraping procedure under my gums -and got me to start brushing and flossing regularly which I now do 2-3 times per day minimum and even add listerine -one of my teeth has now broken although it was a tooth that has a significant number of fillings in it anyhow so there wasn't a lot of tooth to this particular tooth to begin with >I have not been to the dentist in about 7 years or so at least. The >last time I was there I had gingivitis, my gums would bleed profusely [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >To recap: >-haven't seen dentist in 7 or so years Lets hope your oral hygene was good enough to prevent any decay. >-last time i'd seen him i was bleeding, but he did the scraping >procedure under my gums >-and got me to start brushing and flossing regularly which I now do >2-3 times per day minimum and even add listerine That sounds good. >-one of my teeth has now broken although it was a tooth that has a >significant number of fillings in it anyhow so there wasn't a lot of >tooth to this particular tooth to begin with I am not a dentist, but it sounds to me like the tooth had a fracture in it, causing a pocket to form near that tooth (this caused the bleeding). Eventually that fracture kept on going until it caused the tooth to break apart. It sounds like, at the minimum, there will be a crown involved. If the fracture reached the pulp, you will probably need a root canal. If the fracture went too far, the tooth needs to be extracted. Adenosine >I have not been to the dentist in about 7 years or so............... You aren't alone. Most dentists in general practice see this *all the time*. Procrastination will only let things get worse!!! You will get some paperwork to fill out before you are seen. Simply note that you feel you should have been in long before this, you didn't, and now you are here. If you hear something that you don't unerstand and was not explained so you can understand - let us know. Make an appointment and let us hear from you!! There are some good dentists that post here with the best of intentions. You will get the best advice that the internet can provide. ( I practice ortho only, but know a little stuff too :) I repeat, you aren't alone. carabelli You know what, after posting here for some ten years it's nice to be able to post the above without reservation. You guys are the best. >>I have not been to the dentist in about 7 years or so............... > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > You guys are the best. Group blush >I have not been to the dentist in about 7 years or so at least. The >last time I was there I had gingivitis, my gums would bleed profusely >whenever I brushed them. Better home care is suggested, and regular cleanings at the dentist. > It was disgusting. So the doc said I had >gingivitis, perhaps no pockets more than a 4 or so if I recall [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >about 1/4 of that tooth, just broke right off as I was eating my >salad. OK so there was a cavity in there ,,,,,, possibly under a filling and eating away at the healthy tooth structure .... > I suppose I swallowed it. Anyhow, now I'm making an >appointment with my dentist again. What do you think I should expect >with respect to the tooth and with respect to ginigivitis? Crown,,,, inlay, onlay, or filling ..... Joel >To recap: >-haven't seen dentist in 7 or so years [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >significant number of fillings in it anyhow so there wasn't a lot of >tooth to this particular tooth to begin with > >I have not been to the dentist in about 7 years or so at least. The > >last time I was there I had gingivitis, my gums would bleed profusely [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Joel So I was able to get an appointment this morning in a slot that someone had cancelled. Everyone's thoughts were pretty much spot on. The doctor went to restore the tooth, but first ran an x-ray and found that there was an abcess on it and it'd need a root canal and crown, or an extraction. It was up to me, but he recommended the root canal, which I fortunately have just found myself in a position to be able to afford or I'd have been truly screwed. So he started the root canal today, will finish it next week and then make a 3rd appointment to apply the crown. $1600 total; not sure how much insurance will cover yet but it doesn't matter. I can't afford to lose a tooth when I'm still in my dating years, albeit in my 30's. Oh, and apparantly it was 9 years, not 7...ugggghhhhhh....the roots of this tooth even had some degree of calcification in them. After this is over, he said we'll get back on a routine to see if we can prevent any future root canals. It ain't over yet, but hopefully this tooth breaking turned out to be a blessing in disguise. >It ain't over yet, but hopefully this tooth breaking turned out to be >a blessing in disguise. I had that same thought when I went in after breaking one of my fillings after ~5 years without any recall visits. Better to take care of problems when they are small, because they only get bigger! Adenosine > > >I have not been to the dentist in about 7 years or so at least. The > > >last time I was there I had gingivitis, my gums would bleed profusely [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > It ain't over yet, but hopefully this tooth breaking turned out to be > a blessing in disguise. Hi all, Well on Saturday the tooth I'd had root canaled on Thursday started aching. So I started taking aspirin and called my dentist who promptly prescribed some penicillin for me. Is it normal for my tooth to be hurting the way that it was? The tooth feels best right when I wake up since it's been resting all night. However, if I go out to dinner with my girlfriend or friends it starts to kill me by the time I get home and I need to take more aspirin. There's also an ever so slight swelling on the side that had the root canal. It's not getting more swollen, but it's not getting less swollen either. My dentist said, when he wrote the rx on Saturday, that it may take a day or two for the penicillin to kick in. Is this normal? Right now I have a temporary filling and the second half of my root canal won't be till Friday. I might call him tomorrow touch base if it's still hurting or swollen. > Hi all, > Well on Saturday the tooth I'd had root canaled on Thursday started [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > canal won't be till Friday. I might call him tomorrow touch base if > it's still hurting or swollen. Your description is not typical of most RCT, but frequent enough to be occasionally expected. Most RCT is done in one appointment today, but perhaps your tooth was weeping pus from the inside and needed time to "dry-up", which would be more likely to act up afterwards like you describe. Antibiotics typically take 2-3 days to show a big change in infections. Don't forget to take the entire prescription, even if your tooth seems better before then. ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... Listen to to voice of experience. >> Hi all, >> Well on Saturday the tooth I'd had root canaled on Thursday started [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >your health. >...................... -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% You can go a long way with a smile. You can go a lot farther with a smile and a gun. -Al Capone (1899 - 1947) > > Hi all, > > Well on Saturday the tooth I'd had root canaled on Thursday started [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > your health. > ...................... Hi All; I just wanted to thank you for your good advice again and give you an update. I went back this morning to my DDS to finish up the root canal on the #19, and discuss why it had been having issues with the infection, and pain ever since the root canal. When he opened the temporary filling back up he went in and looked around and found that the root is fractured at the part where the 2 roots meet (begins with the letter "M", I forget how you say it), and it was fractured enough that blood was even coming out from it when he proded it with the file. So the new route is a referral to an oral surgeon next wednesday for extraction, and to start the process of getting an implant for #19. I guess this makes sense as I see a lot information about teeth often needing to be extracted when the root is fractured. In the meantime I'm still on penicillin and taking aspirin until the appointment (though I only need 2 aspirin per day now whereas I was taking 8-10 aspirin last weekend). I do have a pistil forming on the inner gum next to #19. He did an x-ray of the tooth immediately in front of #19 and apparently its abscessed also, though the decay isn't nearly severe as #19 was so he has higher hopes for it. I'll be having a root canal done on that tooth now :( The charge for the first root canal is being reversed since it wasn't successful which is good because apparently the implant is going to hit me up for $3600. I have a question though...apparently I'll be without a #19 tooth for a good 4 months! Is this true? Granted, #19 is far back and probably not visible during casual conversation, or even smiling and moderate laughing, but I'm concerned about how apparent the lack of a #19 might be during intimate moments. I have a gf of 3 months, and I'm not sure how to approach her with this, or if our relationship is ready for it. I guess it'll truly be a test of where we stand. Anyhow, regardless of how I handle this with her, is there any *reasonable* way to temporarily replace the missing #19 while I wait 4 months for the implant? The doctor showed me some temporary dentures that look like retainers and they look absolutely awful and intrusive. I guess if it was a front tooth that was to be missing I'd get one of those, but it's not. Is there anything else less intrusive for temporarily replacing a missing tooth aside from those retainer looking devices? Thanks so much. >>>Hi all, >>>Well on Saturday the tooth I'd had root canaled on Thursday started [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > I have a gf of 3 months, and I'm not sure how to approach her with > this, or if our relationship is ready for it. What's the issue--is she paying for it? Seriously, I can't imagine this being a relationship issue, even for a dentist! ;-) Steve (but my wife's teeth are good) I guess it'll truly be > a test of where we stand. Anyhow, regardless of how I handle this > with her, is there any *reasonable* way to temporarily replace the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Thanks so much. > > > Hi all, > > > Well on Saturday the tooth I'd had root canaled on Thursday started > > > aching. So I started taking aspirin and called my dentist who > > > promptly prescribed some penicillin for me. Is it normal for my tooth > > > to be hurting the way that it was? First question is : what kind of pain was it? these are the options: 1.pain is getting stronger on something cold(cold water) diagnose is pulpitis acuta therapy is very simple.open the tooth and put toxavit and close the tooth. result:pain stops in few hours,medicine stays in tooth for 14 days and then therapy goes on... 2.pain is getting stronger on hot (hot coffee for egzample) diagnose is pulpitis purulenta (you have a pus in a tooth) 3.pain is getting stronger when you bite something diagnose is periodontitis periapicalis acuta therapy for 2. and 3. is opening the tooth,penicilin ,and after that pain finishes for few hours also So as you see pain MUST stop after your visit at dentist and this what happend to you isnt normall! The tooth feels best right when I > > > wake up since it's been resting all night. However, if I go out to > > > dinner with my girlfriend or friends it starts to kill me by the time [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > said, when he wrote the rx on Saturday, that it may take a day or two > > > for the penicillin to kick in. Is this normal? this is true,but if he made a right procedure it would be less swollen sooner.Pus can go out through the root canal if it had been properly instrumented > > > Right now I have a temporary filling and the second half of my root > > > canal won't be till Friday.___ ----This I dont understand : what second half of root canal!?!When you do endodontic treatment you do all canals that egzists in that tooth! I might call him tomorrow touch base if > > > it's still hurting or swollen. > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > temporary filling back up he went in and looked around and found that > the root is fractured !!!!!This is the right issue.!!!! This is called a FAUSE ROUTE !!!!!!! And this is the bigest mistake that dentist can make in endodontics.Chance that this is a fracture is 1%.Fracture is when something is broken because of some force (like you say my arm is fractured by itself) If your tooth was not too much destroyed by caries than this was your dentists big mistake.and now hi wiil rob you for 3600$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you know what can you do in Croatia whith this money? I have patients whith what we call a graveyard in their mouth and I make them like a movie star whith this money.You can come to Croatia,make a BRIDGE (not implant,it is too expensive,but if you want it,it costs 800?) 3-parts ,(1 porcelan crown costs 200$) have a nice hollydays and go back and you will have still money to live 1 month with it.... Sorry but I think that same will happen with the other tooth and you will have to pay 7200$ Me,who knows dentistry, feel many times sorry for people.I feel sorry for them because many times they pay too high price of their lack of knowledge about the teeth. There are many dentists that dont care for people,just for money! at the part where the 2 roots meet (begins with > the letter "M", I forget how you say it), and it was fractured enough > that blood was even coming out from it when he proded it with the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Thanks so much. > > "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote in message > news:<CWTjd.17997$G6.17408@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>... [quoted text clipped - 132 lines] > > > > Thanks so much. Hi, Well I've been going to this dentist since I was 13 (I'm 34 now), although I haven't seen him for 9 years. My mom picked him at the time and she worked for the Dental Institute at NIH, so I trust her judgement. At this point, having not been to the dentist for 9 years, and knowing that the gum around the tooth would bleed if I wasn't absolutely adamant about flossing it, my inclination is to trust that the tooth and root was legitimately decayed beyond repair. I suppose I'll prolly seek out some other advice as a sanity check if I started needing still more implants, which might not be out of the realm of possibility since we haven't done a comprehensive examination of every single tooth in my mouth yet. BTW, he referred the implant itself out to an oral surgeon who, based on my googling, is or was at one time, on the board of the ADA. So I feel I can trust with some degree of confidence that I'm good hands with all of this. I also told my girlfriend of 3 months over the weekend that I'd be without a molar for the next 4 months and, though I'm not a mind reader, it seems to be going over okay. If there were anything less intrusive than those retainer looking devices as a temporary solution, I'd definitely be interested. They seem good for day to day conversation, but make me really uneasy when I think about getting intimate with one of them in. I've seen on some web sites that you can get a vanity tooth put on your post while you wait for it to bond. I'm not sure a vanity tooth would work for a molar though since molars such an active roll in the chewing process. >Hi, >Well I've been going to this dentist since I was 13 (I'm 34 now), >although I haven't seen him for 9 years. That's okay .. .you are still considered a regular patient, but do not let it get past ten years ...... that's the cut-off. > My mom picked him at the >time and she worked for the Dental Institute at NIH, so I trust her [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I'll prolly seek out some other advice as a sanity check if I started >needing still more implants, This is dental newsgroup, right? >which might not be out of the realm of >possibility since we haven't done a comprehensive examination of every >single tooth in my mouth yet. BTW, he referred the implant itself out >to an oral surgeon who, based on my googling, is or was at one time, >on the board of the ADA. So I feel I can trust with some degree of >confidence that I'm good hands with all of this. That's cool. Many decisions to get implants are based upon oogling ...... >I also told my girlfriend of 3 months over the weekend that I'd be >without a molar for the next 4 months and, though I'm not a mind >reader, it seems to be going over okay. Wait a minute .... dental implants ... I get it now. > If there were anything less >intrusive than those retainer looking devices as a temporary solution, >I'd definitely be interested. They seem good for day to day >conversation, but make me really uneasy when I think about getting >intimate with one of them in. Front toot' or back toot'? > I've seen on some web sites that you >can get a vanity tooth put on your post while you wait for it to bond. > I'm not sure a vanity tooth would work for a molar though since >molars such an active roll in the chewing process. > >Hi, > >Well I've been going to this dentist since I was 13 (I'm 34 now), [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > I'm not sure a vanity tooth would work for a molar though since > >molars such an active roll in the chewing process. I had #19 extracted an hour ago. Apparantly I actually won't get a crown for a good 11 months? Wow, I was thinking it would be 4 or 5 months, but that's just the implant....is there anything that I can get at the 4 month point while the osseointegration is taking place? I've read about "vanity crowns", but not sure how that would apply to a molar like #19. The discussion I've seen on vanity crowns has usually been with respect to front teeth. > >Hi, > >Well I've been going to this dentist since I was 13 (I'm 34 now), [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > I'm not sure a vanity tooth would work for a molar though since > >molars such an active roll in the chewing process. I guess I'm wondering if I really have to wait 11 months to actually have a crown on this tooth that was just extracted? I thought I could get an implant earlier and a crown in 4 months. Did I miss something, or is my oral surgeon just being very cautious? He wants the socket to heel for 5 months, then insert an implant and let that osseointegrate for another 4-5 months, then put the abutement on, let that heel for 4 weeks, then put the crown on. I can see this being a very good way of ensuring everything is heeled over every step of the way, but statistically speaking does a shorter turnaround time dramatically impair one's chances at success? What about immediate load implants on a molar? What about a cycle shorter than 11 months to actually get a viable implanted "tooth" in the #19 socket. If it has to be 11 months, it has to be 11 months, but I'm interested if there are any alternatives. Thanks in advance. Sure there are alternatives,,,,,,, do it sooner and complain and throw a fuss when it fails and you are out $3K.  Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> >Hi, [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Thanks in advance. So I will take that as meaning that it's best to stick with the 11 month program to get the best results. One of my concerns is not just asthetics, but also: -bone loss -the effect of a missing tooth on the other teeth in the bridge over the next 11 months -chewing ability For bone loss, perhaps insertion of the implant itself will help to stop that at the 5 month point? I see that almost all bone loss occurs in the first 18 months, so I feel pressed to do something to prevent it. Also, what about calcium and vitamin d supplementation to slow bone loss down? For chewing ability, and the effect of having a gap, what's the best way, if any, to fill that gap to make chewing easier and slow down bone loss? What about co-enzyme q10 and/or folic acid supplementation to help take care of the rest of my gums and therefore my other teeth? These articles seem to suggest a possible benefit, no?... Bioenergetics in clinical medicine. IX. Gingival and leucocytic deficiencies of coenzyme Q10 in patients with periodontal disease. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=959667 Study of CoQ10-Enzymes in Gingiva from Patients with Periodontal Disease and Evidence for a Deficiency of Coenzyme Q10 http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=4151519 Effect of topical application of coenzyme Q10 on adult periodontitis. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=7752836 Coenzyme Q10 and periodontal treatment: is there any beneficial effect? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=7718355"Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote in message news:<69Pmd.21381$Rf1.1879@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>... > Sure there are alternatives,,,,,,, do it sooner and complain and throw a > fuss when it fails and you are out $3K. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > > Thanks in advance. When I was going through pubmed for co-enzyme q10 info I came across this unrelated article which shocked the heck out of me... Detection of Mycoplasma pneumoniae-DNA within diseased gingiva by in situ hybridization using a biotin-labeled probe. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=3126286 I was diagnosed with Mycoplasma Pneumoniae last Feburary and it literally took 5-6 months, a referral to a pulmonary specialist, an ENT (i lost hearing in one ear temporarily), anti-biotics, steroids, etc to get over it. It was the most nightmarish period of illness that I've ever had in my life. My MD at the time had no clue where I would have gotten it from since I'm otherwise in good shape and do not have a job that regularly puts me around children (ie. school teacher, etc). I have to wonder now if perhaps, all along, it was caused by my infected #19, and failure to visit a dentist for 9 years? > Sure there are alternatives,,,,,,, do it sooner and complain and throw a > fuss when it fails and you are out $3K. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > > Thanks in advance. >When I was going through pubmed for co-enzyme q10 info I came across >this unrelated article which shocked the heck out of me... If you eat the CoQ how do you prevent your stomach from dissolving it into its componewnts? Joel >Detection of Mycoplasma pneumoniae-DNA within diseased gingiva by in >situ hybridization using a biotin-labeled probe. [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] >> > >> > Thanks in advance. >>When I was going through pubmed for co-enzyme q10 info I came across >>this unrelated article which shocked the heck out of me... > >If you eat the CoQ how do you prevent your stomach from dissolving it >into its componewnts? Similar to components ...... Not Al Compone either ...... >Joel > [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >>> > >>> > Thanks in advance. > >When I was going through pubmed for co-enzyme q10 info I came across > >this unrelated article which shocked the heck out of me... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Joel Well although I saw a couple studies showing that for one the capsules I bought today are softgels so one could theoretically break them open and spread the q10 across your gums. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=7752836 Effect of topical application of coenzyme Q10 on adult periodontitis. "...However, significant improvements in the modified gingival index, bleeding on probing and peptidase activity derived from periodontopathic bacteria were observed only at experimental sites. These results suggest that topical application of CoQ10 improves adult periodontitis not only as a sole treatment but also in combination with traditional nonsurgical periodontal therapy..." The way I read the abstract though is that the q10 was applied directly *into* the pockets by a professional as opposed to the patient spreading it across their own gums. Another thing is that the gel is a little yellowish in color so I don't know if it might stain teeth. Most of these articles are from 94-95. What's the current consensus on q10 and gingivitis? > >Detection of Mycoplasma pneumoniae-DNA within diseased gingiva by in > >situ hybridization using a biotin-labeled probe. [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > >> > > >> > Thanks in advance. >> >When I was going through pubmed for co-enzyme q10 info I came across >> >this unrelated article which shocked the heck out of me... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I bought today are softgels so one could theoretically break them open >and spread the q10 across your gums. OK cool. Now you got CoQ all over your gums. So how does that help with mitochondrial electron transport (where CoQ works)? Joel >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra ct&list_uids=7752836 > [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] >> >> > >> >> > Thanks in advance. >When I was going through pubmed for co-enzyme q10 info I came across >this unrelated article which shocked the heck out of me... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I have to wonder now if perhaps, all along, it was caused by my >infected #19, and failure to visit a dentist for 9 years? Nope......... many medical diagnoses are not definitive ..... "Looks like ...." ..... "Let's treat ....." Etc. Joel >> Sure there are alternatives,,,,,,, do it sooner and complain and throw a >> fuss when it fails and you are out $3K. [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >> > >> > Thanks in advance. > I also told my girlfriend of 3 months over the weekend that I'd be > without a molar for the next 4 months and, though I'm not a mind > reader, it seems to be going over okay. ... Is this here lady part of the solution or part of the problem??? Just a Question SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >> I also told my girlfriend of 3 months over the weekend that I'd be >> without a molar for the next 4 months and, though I'm not a mind [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Just a Question >SP Actually I am quite surprised. There was a recent study in the Journal for American Matrimonial Lawyers and 84.4% of the people seeking divorce did so because one of the parties had to endure a missing molar for four months or more. Joel > > I also told my girlfriend of 3 months over the weekend that I'd be > > without a molar for the next 4 months and, though I'm not a mind [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Just a Question > SP She is neither. I told her that if she couldn't handle it I'd be fine. I'd live, and eventually I'd have an implant in and things would move on. She said that I must think she's shallow if I would think that she'd break up with me over this. She said it's a part of living. I guess I project myself into her shoes and when I was 28 I'm not sure how I'd respond if a girlfriend lost a tooth. It's just that the area of the country we live in, Washington DC, can sometimes be overly superficial and looks oriented (well I guess that pretty much describes 95% of america), so I didn't know how it was going to go over. I suppose I also feel a little guilty for not having gone to the dentist for so long when the rest of the civilized world goes twice a year. So far so good though. I'm also scared sh*tless over what's to come in the next few weeks. I'm getting the tooth in front of #19 root canaled on the 29th. I hope to god that one can be salvaged, because if it turns out to be unsalvagable, then I'm screwed and this whole ordeal will be visibile to the public at large everytime I smile. According to the dentist there is less decay in that tooth than there was in #19, so he has higher hopes. > So far so good though. Wonderful. Looks aren't everything, and can't hold a relationship together, as y'all know from seein' what goes on in Holleywood. I, myself, don't want to brag, but I've have dated at least 1000 PlayBoy Bunneyz, but I'd always kick 'em out in the morning, sighting intolerable shallowness as the reason. The lady I'm married to now is nothing like them (Think: Cookie Monster in the Muppets or Sesame Street).... We make a good couple (think Animal from Sesame Street with Cookie Monster, walking hand in hand into the Kanada-ian sunset...). > I'm also scared sh*tless over what's to come in the next few weeks. > I'm getting the tooth in front of #19 root canaled on the 29th. There's a book for laypeople by Gordon Christiansen explaining in simple terms what various dental treatments entail. You might want to try to fight your fear with knowledge. I'd look up the book at the library, as opposed to buying it. Hope this helps, but if it doesn't, remember: You never hear about the untold thousands of airplane flights that go without a hitch in the air above the world. Ditto for what *we* do in your mouths.... The REAL horror in our little clinique is when *I* start SINGIN' along with the wireless, while I'm workin' on yer mug.... now THAT is the stuff of nicht-mares... Cheers ;-) SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet > I guess I project myself into her shoes and when I was 28 Like wearing high heels and dresses do you ? You have deeper issues than dental treatment... 8^]] -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >> I guess I project myself into her shoes and when I was 28 > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >8^]] I'm a lumberjack and that's OK ...... -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? >>> I guess I project myself into her shoes and when I was 28 >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I'm a lumberjack and that's OK ...... Coincidence! So is Jan Drew! >> > I also told my girlfriend of 3 months over the weekend that I'd be >> > without a molar for the next 4 months and, though I'm not a mind [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >the dentist for so long when the rest of the civilized world goes >twice a year. So far so good though. "The rest of the civilized world" is not as much as you think it is. Every statistic I see says that 50% or so of the population never sees a dentist unless something hurts. Whenever I go up to rural Ferry county to see my grandparents I'm suprised at how many people you see around are missing or have badly decayed teeth, even in very visible places. >I'm also scared sh*tless over what's to come in the next few weeks. >I'm getting the tooth in front of #19 root canaled on the 29th. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >there is less decay in that tooth than there was in #19, so he has >higher hopes. I wouldn't be too worried about #19 being visible. I'm getting #30 done with a 3/4 gold crown, and I'm missing a bicuspid on each side, and I still don't see it being too visible in day to day activity. Maybe if I was laughing, or yawning you coudl see it, but everybody needs some bling. -- Adenosine Semi-informed Dental Consumer ? Hello Ron: Speaking from the hygienist point of view here ... I have seen many, many patients like yourself. Often, even after many years, the gum health may be quite good, especially if you are following the oral care routine you mention. However, some people can have quite a drastic change in seven years. (Genetics and amounts of tartar buildup affect things.) You may need more than one session to clean the tartar off. Make sure someone measures your pockets again. I've been hanging around this newsgroup for a few years now, and this is a great group. You'll get excellent advice here from these dentists. Good luck. Linda (hygienist) > I have not been to the dentist in about 7 years or so at least. The > last time I was there I had gingivitis, my gums would bleed profusely [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > significant number of fillings in it anyhow so there wasn't a lot of > tooth to this particular tooth to begin with >To recap: >-haven't seen dentist in 7 or so years You need a professional cleaning >-last time i'd seen him i was bleeding, but he did the scraping >procedure under my gums Probably need that again, perhaps not so extensive. 7 years is a long time to go without a professional cleaning. >-and got me to start brushing and flossing regularly which I now do >2-3 times per day minimum and even add listerine That's good. >-one of my teeth has now broken although it was a tooth that has a >significant number of fillings in it anyhow so there wasn't a lot of >tooth to this particular tooth to begin with Most likely can be fixed. That's just a guess. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com George, In just over 90 minutes I start my part of the secret plan. Your turn is later tonight. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... " Networking at its best ..... > George, > > In just over 90 minutes I start my part of the secret plan. Your turn is > later tonight. Hmmmmm?? BTW, we saw Lance Burton's Show while in Vegas. It made me think of JB. I hope to see that show soon. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > Networking at its best ..... > >> George, >> >> In just over 90 minutes I start my part of the secret plan. Your turn is >> later tonight. :-) TW > Hmmmmm?? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >> In just over 90 minutes I start my part of the secret plan. Your turn is > >> later tonight. > George, > > In just over 90 minutes I start my part of the secret plan. Your turn is > later tonight. Dios Mio!!! Methinks somebody's gonna die tonite... SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >> George, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Dios Mio!!! Methinks somebody's gonna die tonite... >SP The secret plan was executed without a hitch. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>> George, >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >The secret plan was executed without a hitch. Yeah! but I almost got tripped up in the final steps. Thank goodness for speedy delivery .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. >>The secret plan was executed without a hitch. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Almost only counts in... [multiple guess] a) horseshoes b) hand-grenades c) atomic weapons d) all of the above Speedy delivery is just another variable in the equation. The fastest one to adapt never gets 'tripped up'. The Scouts Pledge always applies. "Be Prepared" Add to that, "shift gears when necessary" and you have a philosophy of life. Lesson over. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >Subject: Re: OT: Secret Plan >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net >Date: 11/8/2004 8:31 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <4qo0p0li1mp3ef26k53nerc0v328gbr1fk@4ax.com> > >>>The secret plan was executed without a hitch. It is no secret, Steve has lied over and over just tonight. When asked to post those lies, he couldn't, as usual. It is no secret he got caught in his own trap, now is angry. He has no one to blame except himself. >>>>The secret plan was executed without a hitch. > >It is no secret, Steve has lied over and over just tonight. It is too a secret! >When asked to post those lies, he couldn't, as usual. If Jan wants a response she needs to return to the Holistic dentist question >It is no secret he got caught in his own trap, now is angry. He has no one to >blame except himself. No anger form me, just from Jan who refuses to clarify a simple term because she thinks I would try to trap her with it. Sort of funny that she would think that. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. >Subject: Re: OT: Secret Plan >From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >It is too a secret! >>It is no secret, Steve has lied over and over just tonight. It is no secret, Steve has lied over and over just tonight. >>When asked to post those lies, he couldn't, as usual. >If Jan >>When asked to post those lies, he couldn't, as usual. "Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> I suggest you start with "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" carabelli "Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>The secret plan was executed without a hitch. >>>It is no secret, . >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It is no secret, Okay, then if it is no secret, what does the secret Plan refer to? It is no secret, Dr Steve has lied over and over just tonight. When asked to post those lies, he couldn't, as usual. She expects me to list every post for the past 5 years she has made on Usenet. It would take forever. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > It is no secret, Dr Steve has lied over and over just tonight. > > When asked to post those lies, he couldn't, as usual. >Subject: Re: OT: Secret Plan >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >She expects me to list every post for the past 5 years she has made on >Usenet. It would take forever. Reading comprehension problems??? >> It is no secret, Dr Steve has lied over and over just tonight. >> >> When asked to post those lies, he couldn't, as usual. >Reading comprehension problems??? Is Jan Drew insulting someone?? Poor Jan. She does not like it when she is insulted but apparently thinks it is fine to do it herself. Hypocrite. Aloha, Rich Majorly!! She's starting to lose it (not that she ever *had it* in the first place). :-) Fawks > Is Jan Drew insulting someone?? Poor Jan. She does not like it when > she is insulted but apparently thinks it is fine to do it herself. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Rich Someday, when Jan tires of her silly games and decides to participate in a mature discussion I would feel privledged to participate. >Someday, when Jan tires of her silly games and decides to participate in a >mature discussion I would feel privledged to participate. Care to make another wager ? -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >She expects me to list every post for the past 5 years she has made on >Usenet. It would take forever. Monty Python's Compleate Waste of Time ? -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE | "Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>The secret plan was | executed without a hitch. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | | Okay, then if it is no secret, what does the secret Plan refer to? That's a secret SignatureRoy DotSeaEh is .ca "Roy Brown" <roybrown@sympatico.DotSeaEh> wrote in message >>>>>>The secret plan was executed without a hitch. > | >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > That's a secret Exactly ! ! ! ! >>>The secret plan was executed without a hitch. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Lesson over. that plus thanks for saving my skin! .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. >that plus thanks for saving my skin! >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Glad to be of service. You are very welcomed. Note that there was a benefit for me. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I know what you are saying and would say the same benefit applied to me as well. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>that plus thanks for saving my skin! [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Agreed. >I know what you are saying and would say the same benefit applied to me as >well. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> W_B -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > I have not been to the dentist in about 7 years or so at least. The > last time I was there I had gingivitis, my gums would bleed profusely [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > significant number of fillings in it anyhow so there wasn't a lot of > tooth to this particular tooth to begin with By the way, would it be accurate to say my consumption of 10-12 diet sodas per day for the past 9 years of not having gone to the dentist has also been an issue (since it has so much acid in it)? My teeth actually *look* pretty good and I'm often told I have "such a nice smile", but I'm afraid to find out what lurks beneath when the doctor after this root canal episode is done and the doctor probes further. 10-12 diet sodas per day?????!!! only in america 8-10 a day !?!?!?!?!?!?! Ugh! The combination of acids in those sodas would eat through a car bumper with that much contact time. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... >> I have not been to the dentist in about 7 years or so at least. The >> last time I was there I had gingivitis, my gums would bleed profusely [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > smile", but I'm afraid to find out what lurks beneath when the doctor > after this root canal episode is done and the doctor probes further. >8-10 a day !?!?!?!?!?!?! > >Ugh! > >The combination of acids in those sodas would eat through a car bumper with >that much contact time. Probably not, and is not near as acidic as the normal stomach pH. It's just damned unhealthy. Drink water or something purer than soda. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% You can go a long way with a smile. You can go a lot farther with a smile and a gun. -Al Capone (1899 - 1947) >>8-10 a day !?!?!?!?!?!?! >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Drink water or something purer than soda. the combinations of 3-5 different acids make the soda pop much more destructive. Think Aqua Regia compared to Nitric acid or to hydrochloric acid. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. >>>8-10 a day !?!?!?!?!?!?! >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Sounds tasty, Not ! Have you sampled your proposed concoction ? Add some Sucrose and CO2 and you just may have something. Dr Mancuso doesn't quite have the ring of Dr Pepper. But that is a personal observation/opinion. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE Two separate studies came out this year. Both studies concluded it was the combination of acids working together (much like aqua regia) which dissolves teeth, rather than the pH level. Cola has (I believe) 5 different acids mixed together. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>8-10 a day !?!?!?!?!?!?! [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > You can go a lot farther with a smile and a gun. > -Al Capone (1899 - 1947) |
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