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Anyone want to join my new newsgroup club???? It is called the "I filter out Jan's ridiculous newsgroup trolling and spaming trashy posts" Club ??? If you have newsgroup problems,,,,,,,,,,,,,, FILTER OUT JAN DREW !!!!!! I did and I feel much better for it. Please sign below my name if you would like to be a charter member of this club. 1) Steve Mancuso 2) Carabelli 3) Tony Bad 4) ???? We can discuss by-laws and vote on them and elect our officers and board of directors at the first formal meeting. Instead of dues, we have to bring in an un-triturated capsule of amalgam. Perks will be discussed at the previous mentioned inaugural meeting. We could get discounts on filtering software. Free autographed pictures of Joel M. Eichen (my hero). I plan on having an interactive computer game written. It will be similar to playing darts. You get three shots each. Newsgroup networking so we can play against each other. The bull's-eye will have JD's picture on it. The twenty point spot will be Nadine, Keith Kilovolt, Parentof Teen, and some of the other thrilling cyber-personalities. The ten point spots will be various quack science links offered by our friends in the other spots. Various famous postings of theirs will fill in the radial point positions on the board. The darts will be in the shape of amalgam capsules, thermometers, syringes, endo files, ortho pliers, etc. Animated graphics for each point scored will simulate packing amalgam on the face of the personality you hit. Plus, we will give out discounts for attendance at the next SMD Study Club Meeting to card carrying members of this group. We need a few more members before we can incorporate as a non-profit entity, so come on folks,,,,,,, sign up !!!! As a qualified and licensed dentist, I can assure you that Jan Drew's advice and links can be safely ignored. She is retired daycare center owner with a personal, ill-founded agenda. None of the qualified and licensed dentists who frequent this group endorse her advice and the websites she provides links to. >Anyone want to join my new newsgroup club???? It is called the "I filter >out Jan's ridiculous newsgroup trolling and spaming trashy posts" Club ??? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >2) Carabelli >3) Tony Bad 4) W_B >We can discuss by-laws and vote on them and elect our officers and board of >directors at the first formal meeting. Instead of dues, we have to bring in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >could get discounts on filtering software. Free autographed pictures of >Joel M. Eichen (my hero). I gotta have one of those. > I plan on having an interactive computer game >written. It will be similar to playing darts. You get three shots each. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >ortho pliers, etc. Animated graphics for each point scored will simulate >packing amalgam on the face of the personality you hit. Can we have a firehose of amalgam ? >Plus, we will give out discounts for attendance at the next SMD Study Club >Meeting to card carrying members of this group. Those meetings are mighty expensive. >We need a few more members before we can incorporate as a non-profit entity, >so come on folks,,,,,,, sign up !!!! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > who frequent this group endorse her advice and the websites she provides > links to. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE > On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 01:48:52 GMT, "Dr. Steve" > <dr.steve.@.m.a.n.c.u.s.o.d.d.s.com> wrote: ... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >3) Tony Bad > 4) W_B 5) Jan Drew  Signature-History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation-: --- http://PMeiers.bei.t-online.de/index.htm --- ---------------------------------------------------- > Anyone want to join my new newsgroup club???? It is called the "I filter > out Jan's ridiculous newsgroup trolling and spaming trashy posts" Club ??? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 3) Tony Bad > 4) ???? I never did get my membership kit...but I have had Jan filtered since this point in time. My world is better because of it. With the recent jump in Jan related activity I have been tempted to not only filter out posts by Jan, but screen anything with Jan or J** in the body of the message. Nothing personal against Jan...it is just that our exchanges have been fruitless...that, and when she repeatedly calls me a liar I find myself wishing bad things upon her. Who needs it. T >Subject: Historical posting >From: "Dr. Steve" dr.steve.@.m.a.n.c.u.s.o.d.d.s.com [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Anyone want to join my new newsgroup club???? It is called the "I filter >out Jan's ridiculous newsgroup trolling and spaming trashy posts" Club ?? Uh huh. From: Dr Steve (nospam@home.net) Subject: Re: Mercury On The Mind Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Date: 2004-10-15 05:51:02 PST I'll read the long posting IF you promise to discuss it with any of us. Otherwise, it just gets deleted. === You'll read *IF*??? Just HOW interested, are YOU??? WHY are you placing deals on YOUR descision to delete it? YOUR role of using this mercury is YOUR choice. Do YOU feel comfortable with using this mercury??? Did you read the DEATHS from mercury vapors??? Do amalgams release mercury vapors?? Do YOU want to be responsible for installing this mercury inches from the brain??? Do YOU want to be responsible for this steady stream of gaseous mercury atoms??? Do You want to be responsible for Elemental mercury when released by a dental amalgam is inhaled and (80 percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body????? > Currently the two most important sources of mercury exposure for > Americans are dental amalgams and vaccinations. Helloooooooooooooooooooooo. >Mainstream medical journals, like Pediatrics and The New England >> Journal of Medicine, only publish studies that claim thimerosal is >> safe. And it turns out that these articles are written in large part >> by researchers in the pay of vaccine makers, YOU have WHAT to say about that??? >as the Coalition for Safe >> Minds (Sensible Action For Ending Mercury-Induced Neurological [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States" by >> Mark and David Geier, which documents a strong association between the amounts of mercury injected in vaccines and autism. Such articles can >> only find acceptance in alternative (i.e., "politically incorrect") >> journals like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, where >> this one was published. Do discuss this, please! >Brain cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three >> pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 × 10-10 molar) >> doses of mercury, an amount approximating that found in the brains of people who have a lot of amalgam fillings. > Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult's brain. An >> average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the >> hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury >> that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers >> of Alzheimer's disease. People with Alzheimer's disease have mercury >> levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people. Discuss away!!! >The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this disease. One >> investigator has found that people who received the flu vaccine each >> year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing >> Alzheimer's disease than people who had zero, 1, or 2 shots. Waiting for your response. >> Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which >> officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not >> consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when >> other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 >> rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury >> that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate >> if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum. Nice combination huh?? > Why do officials at the CDC, FDA, and leaders of the medical and >> dental establishment discount or ignore all these important facts? Uh hmmmmmmmmm. WHY indeed?? > Some of them being in the pay of vaccine makers is one reason $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. > Thespecter of litigation for having sanctioned thimerosal and amalgams >> and, in the case of the FDA, not doing appropriate safety studies on >> them is another. AS *I* have been saying. You think, I am wrong? If so why? >. But it is more complicated than that. The hypothesis >> that mercury causes autism and Alzheimer s disease is a new >> truth. And as Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each >> new truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. AMEN!!! Along with the messegner who has the guts to post it. Do you agree??? > Second, it is violently opposed. We see it HERE!!!!! >And third, it is accepted as self-evident. The mercury truth is now in the second stage. <snip more about vaccines for now> >> Today the medical establishment, led by the AAP, AAFP, AMA, CDC, and >> IOM, has gone to the other extreme. <snip> >> Avoiding flu shots that contain thimerosal, and having dentists stop >> implanting mercury amalgams in people's mouths would lower the >> incidence of Alzheimer's disease. If you have amalgam fillings, >> particularly if there is a family history of Alzheimer's disease, you >> might consider having them removed. Be sure to have a dentist do it who follows the protocol established by The International Academy of >> Oral Medicine & Toxicology for safely removing them. Discussion open. <snip> >> If your dentist parrots the American Dental Association stance on this >> subject and says that "silver" - i.e., mercury - amalgams are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> to for a number of years. When he chose to ignore it, I changed >> dentists - to a mercury-free one and had him remove all my amalgam fillings. Jan > >Subject: Historical posting >>From: "Dr. Steve" dr.steve.@.m.a.n.c.u.s.o.d.d.s.com [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>Anyone want to join my new newsgroup club???? It is called the "I filter >>out Jan's ridiculous newsgroup trolling and spaming trashy posts" Club ?? Hey! no fair snipping :-( >Anyone want to join my new newsgroup club???? It is called the "I filter >out Jan's ridiculous newsgroup trolling and spaming trashy posts" Club ??? > >If you have newsgroup problems,,,,,,,,,,,,,, FILTER OUT JAN DREW !!!!!! I >did and I feel much better for it. In article <418d76c9.178660126@News.Individual.NET>, hchickpea@hotmail.com says... > Learn to use your killfilters and kill the stupid threads by > "crosspost the world" trolls. You'll waste less time. As far as I know, the best anti-crosspost tool available to Windows users is nFilter http://www.nfilter.org/ It is free. You have to download it, and set it to pull your NewsGroup downloads and then send them to your regular newsreader. You can set it to filter out any posts that are cross-posted to certain groups. My favourite newsreader is Gravity, formerly from the now-defunct MicroPlanet, it is now open source and available free at http://www.microplanet.com/ It has the best filtering that I have seen on any newsreader. If anyone knows of similar tools, especially for Windows users, please suggest them, with URLs, if possible. SignatureGet Credit Where Credit Is Due http://www.cardreport.com/ Credit Tools, Reference, and Forum >Please sign below my name if you would like to be a charter member of this >club. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > who frequent this group endorse her advice and the websites she provides > links to. > Anyone want to join my new newsgroup club???? It is called the "I filter > out Jan's ridiculous newsgroup trolling and spaming trashy posts" Club ??? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 3) Tony Bad > 4) ???? 4.5) StovePipe > We can discuss by-laws and vote on them and elect our officers and board of > directors at the first formal meeting. Instead of dues, we have to bring in > an un-triturated capsule of amalgam. All members hafta open their capsuuuuulz, spread the Hg on a cracker, and eat it with homemade Mayo... Ifn' they throw up, they git ta do it agin'... > Perks will be discussed at the previous mentioned inaugural meeting. We > could get discounts on filtering software. .... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > We need a few more members before we can incorporate as a non-profit entity, > so come on folks,,,,,,, sign up !!!! ...'Been thinkin' 'bout this for awhile, haven't ya? Mebby we can get Dubbaya to open the first meeting SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Anyone want to join my new newsgroup club???? It is called the "I filter >> out Jan's ridiculous newsgroup trolling and spaming trashy posts" Club ??? Translation: Jan didn't let me get by with lying and I got caght in my own trap, now let's trash Jan. >If you have newsgroup problems,,,,,,,,,,,,,, FILTER OUT JAN DREW !!!!!! I >> did and I feel much better for it. Righto. Can't answer Jan's questons, refuse to discuss. Liars joining liars, 1-4.5 Still can't answer, still refuse to discuss. Let's see if the liars club can answer. WHY are you placing deals on YOUR descision to delete it? YOUR role of using this mercury is YOUR choice. Do YOU feel comfortable with using this mercury??? 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 Did you read the DEATHS from mercury vapors??? 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 Do amalgams release mercury vapors?? 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 Do YOU want to be responsible for installing this mercury inches from the brain??? 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 Do YOU want to be responsible for this steady stream of gaseous mercury atoms??? 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 Do You want to be responsible for Elemental mercury when released by a dental amalgam is inhaled and (80 percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body????? 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 > Currently the two most important sources of mercury exposure for > Americans are dental amalgams and vaccinations. Helloooooooooooooooooooooo. >Mainstream medical journals, like Pediatrics and The New England >> Journal of Medicine, only publish studies that claim thimerosal is >> safe. And it turns out that these articles are written in large part >> by researchers in the pay of vaccine makers, YOU have WHAT to say about that??? 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 >as the Coalition for Safe >> Minds (Sensible Action For Ending Mercury-Induced Neurological [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States" by >> Mark and David Geier, which documents a strong association between the amounts of mercury injected in vaccines and autism. Such articles can >> only find acceptance in alternative (i.e., "politically incorrect") >> journals like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, where >> this one was published. Do discuss this, please! 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 >Brain cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three >> pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 × 10-10 molar) >> doses of mercury, an amount approximating that found in the brains of people who have a lot of amalgam fillings. > Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult's brain. An >> average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the >> hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury >> that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers >> of Alzheimer's disease. People with Alzheimer's disease have mercury >> levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people. Discuss away!!! 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 >The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this disease. One >> investigator has found that people who received the flu vaccine each >> year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing >> Alzheimer's disease than people who had zero, 1, or 2 shots. Waiting for your response. 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 >> Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which >> officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not >> consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when >> other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 >> rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury >> that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate >> if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum. Nice combination huh?? 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 > Why do officials at the CDC, FDA, and leaders of the medical and >> dental establishment discount or ignore all these important facts? Uh hmmmmmmmmm. WHY indeed?? !. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 > Some of them being in the pay of vaccine makers is one reason $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. > Thespecter of litigation for having sanctioned thimerosal and amalgams >> and, in the case of the FDA, not doing appropriate safety studies on >> them is another. AS *I* have been saying. You think, I am wrong? If so why? 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 >. But it is more complicated than that. The hypothesis >> that mercury causes autism and Alzheimer s disease is a new >> truth. And as Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each >> new truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. AMEN!!! Along with the messegner who has the guts to post it. Do you agree??? !. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 > Second, it is violently opposed. We see it HERE!!!!! >And third, it is accepted as self-evident. The mercury truth is now in the second stage. <snip more about vaccines for now> >> Today the medical establishment, led by the AAP, AAFP, AMA, CDC, and >> IOM, has gone to the other extreme. <snip> >> Avoiding flu shots that contain thimerosal, and having dentists stop >> implanting mercury amalgams in people's mouths would lower the >> incidence of Alzheimer's disease. If you have amalgam fillings, >> particularly if there is a family history of Alzheimer's disease, you >> might consider having them removed. Be sure to have a dentist do it who follows the protocol established by The International Academy of >> Oral Medicine & Toxicology for safely removing them. Discussion open. 1. 2. 3. 4. 4.5 <snip> >> If your dentist parrots the American Dental Association stance on this >> subject and says that "silver" - i.e., mercury - amalgams are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> to for a number of years. When he chose to ignore it, I changed >> dentists - to a mercury-free one and had him remove all my amalgam fillings. Jan > Let's see if the liars club can answer. > > WHY are you placing deals on YOUR descision to delete it? YOUR role of using > this mercury is YOUR choice. Do YOU feel comfortable with using this >mercury??? 4.5 Non > Did you read the DEATHS from mercury vapors??? 4.5 Nicht: xaggerat-ed > Do amalgams release mercury vapors?? 4.5 Jawohl > Do YOU want to be responsible for installing this mercury inches from the > brain??? 4.5 No.... but: Sometimes no other choice;extracting for no other reason than to avoid Am filling material is just a bit insane, IMO. There must sometimes be compromise. > Do YOU want to be responsible for this steady stream of gaseous mercury > atoms??? 4.5 No No nO... but;Sometimes no better solution > Do You want to be responsible for Elemental mercury when released by a dental > amalgam is inhaled and (80 > percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body????? 4.5 Believe 80 per hundred is xagerated. Answer: Nein, I don't, but sometimes, not another option available. Hey! Lady!, go dump your load where it belongs: in my case, on the Quebec RAMQ, the local heath and welfare system admins, who don't permit us to use anything else from premolars back on kids and welfare cases. Look toots, I'm not gonna risk losing my licence, breaking the established rules, just to satisfy some obsessive .... quasi-human... who is not helping the situation in any way. If I could, I would NOT be placing Am's in kids' teeth, I'd be placing fun, colored compomers, w/o anesthesia. The parents, as well as MOST of the rest of the general population here, is too cheap or too poor to pay for anything else than gov't-insured Am. Go dump on the RAMQ. THEN: pick up my isntruments and try to put a composite in a hole half under an inflammed gingiva that is pissing blood, in a patient who will spend 1500$ on a stereo system but not 125$ for a simple gum surgery to promote healing and simplify my procedure. Hell, s/he won't even invest 1.25$ for some dental floss... If'n Y'all are any where NEAR as good with your psychomotor skills as Y'all are with bullshitting MOUTH here, we'd be seeing miracles, and I could finally put the Am pluggers and carriers in the bottom drawer. Go ahead, lady, y'all just try to place anything else BUT an Am in these situations. Kan't have it both ways, there, 'Missus'... YOU do what no one yet has been able to do: find an.... ALTERNATIVE... filling material that is as cheap, versatile, forgiving and as technique insensitive as Am is. Y'all like that word... alternative don't ya? Does it MEAN anything other than bullshit vague generalities to you? Can you clean up your own Usenet CRAP and replace it with something that any real person can USE? Maybe you can bring down the price of Au to the point where we can place that in peoples' teeth? Get off your a.s and DO something about all your hot air. Don't gimme no bullshit about 'what should be'... and 'what the government should do' and bullshit 'conspiracies'..... Find me a SOLUTION that can replace the Am, and get off yer a.s and go shove it down the throats of the various welfare systems until they accept it, and I'll DO it, and I'll gladly shake you by the hand in thanks. You never ask questions like THIS: Does StovePipe want to be responsible for destroying the occlusal stability of a mouth by extracting teeth that could be saved by RCT or large subgingival Am's? Even in the young patient? 4.5 Not even for Jesus Christ would I do that, and therefore, so very much less for YOU. Lady, come up out of the bullshit zone and get into the real world. Find me a solution, or Shut yer mug. So sayeth the Pipe SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > 4.5 Non of little or no consequence : unimportant : worthless Sorry you are so misinformed. I suggest you do some research. http://www.rmdentalcentre.com/article.cfm?artId=45&catid=5 Researchers Present Evidence of How Mercury Effects Brain Neurons University of Calgary, Faculty of Medicine http://www.holisticmed.com/dental/amalgam/child.html Amalgam Can Cause Brain Damage in Children Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult's brain. An average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury and releases around 10 micrograms a day. Researchers put radiolabelled mercury amalgams in the teeth of sheep and determined where escaped mercury went with a scanner. They showed that mercury atoms exhaled through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers of Alzheimer's disease. People with Alzheimer's disease have mercury levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people. >> Did you read the DEATHS from mercury vapors??? > > 4.5 Nicht: xaggerat-ed This heavy metal is highly poisonous. A Dartmouth professor studying the chemical characteristics of an organic form of mercury - dimethyl mercury - spilled two drops of it on her gloved hand. The first sign of mercury poisoning occurred four months later when her speech began to be slurred. This was followed by difficulty walking and loss of vision. She then fell into a coma and died. Another person, attempting to smelt the silver in dental amalgams he obtained (they are 35 percent silver, 50 percent mercury, and 15 percent tin, zinc, and other metals), heated them in a frying pan. The mercury vapor thus generated killed him quickly. The two other family members in the house at the time also died. > Do amalgams release mercury vapors?? > > 4.5 Jawohl .5-4 >> Do YOU want to be responsible for installing this mercury inches from the >> brain??? >4.5 No.... but: Sometimes no other choice There is always a choice. >extracting for no other >reason than to avoid Am filling material is just a bit insane, No need to exract unless it is a root canal. Composites can and should be used. >There must sometimes be compromise. Just say no to mercury. It is being eliminated in all forms. > Do YOU want to be responsible for this steady stream of gaseous mercury >> atoms??? > 4.5 No No nO... but;Sometimes no better solution There is a better solution. Don't use mercury. Mercury is one proton (neutron and electron) heavier than gold - the atomic number of gold is 79; mercury, 80. It is distributed throughout the earth's crust. Unlike other metals, mercury, in its elemental state, is liquid (molten) at room temperature. And it releases a steady stream of gaseous mercury atoms that linger in the atmosphere for months (eventually falling back to earth and its oceans in an inorganic form in rain drops). Even when in a solid state, combined with other metals as an alloy, mercury atoms continually escape into the atmosphere. Once added to latex paint, put in teething powder, used in making hats, as a fungicide on seeds, as an antiseptic (Merthiolate), and as a treatment for syphilis (the cure was worse than the disease), human exposure to mercury today comes principally from three sources: dental amalgams, vaccines, and fish. > Do You want to be responsible for Elemental mercury when released by a >dental >> amalgam is inhaled and (80 >> percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body????? >4..5 Believe 80 per hundred is xagerated You just made that up. Nothing about 80 per hundred. Read it again. > Do You want to be responsible for Elemental mercury when released by a >dental >> amalgam is inhaled and (80 >> percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body????? The mercury vapor is absorbed through the lungs directly into the arterial blood at a rate of 80 percent. http://www.idph.state.il.us/envhealth/factsheets/mercuryhlthprof.htm How is elemental mercury absorbed and metabolized? When inhaled, about 80 percent of elemental mercury is absorbed into the blood stream through the alveoli. Because it is fat soluble, mercury readily crosses the blood-brain barrier and placenta. When ingested, only a small amount (0.01%) is absorbed through the gastrointestinal tract, making toxicity from this route rare. Dermal absorption also is negligible. http://www.health.gov/environment/amalgam1/appendixIII.htm Fifty percent of the intraoral mercury vapor is the upper limit of the range used to estimate the amount inhaled (the rest is lost to exhalation). The lungs absorb about 80 percent of mercury vapor present in inhaled air (20,21). Most of this mercury vapor diffuses directly and rapidly across the alveolar membrane into the blood, and only a small fraction is deposited in pulmonary tissues. <Phew,,,,,,,,,,,snip hissy fit> Dentists reaaly get angry when asked pointed questions. No discussion, just insults and anger. Didn't answer all questions. Jan > Jan > Didn't answer all questions. I admit to selective editing of the above message. Dear Jan, If you want me to respond to your continual re-posting of the same questions over and over, you first have to prove that you will discuss the issues, not just stand on your pulpit and preach your view and tell us everyone else will go to Hell. Demonstrate your maturity by elaborating your view on the famous holistic question. >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >just stand on your pulpit and preach your view and tell us everyone else >will go to Hell. You just insist on lying, don't you. Do post where I ever told anyone to go to hell. >Demonstrate your maturity by elaborating your view on the famous holistic >question. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>Demonstrate your maturity by elaborating your view on the famous holistic >>question. You just insist on lying, don't you. Do post where I ever told anyone to go to hell. >>>Demonstrate your maturity by elaborating your view on the famous holistic >>>question. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. If you could understand anything, you would read that Dr. Steve said, "not just stand on your pulpit and preach your view and tell us everyone else will go to hell". He said "not just stand". He did not say "quit standing" or "quit telling us". Therefore he did not say that you had been telling everyone to "go to hell". This may insinuate that you had used those specific words, but it does not quote you as using those specific words. As far as your messages, you have warned people of going to hell based on your judgments and beliefs. You do call everyone who disagrees with you a liar and the rest of your pronouncements are the same as telling someone to "go to hell", "get a life", "buzz off", etc. So, you may not have used the actual phrase "go to hell", you have done everything else but. Your statements are usually untrue, bigoted, and hypocritical. Many a life would have been better off if they had never heard the name Jan Drew. Fawks > You just insist on lying, don't you. > > Do post where I ever told anyone to go to hell. Agreed. TW > If you could understand anything, you would read that Dr. Steve said, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > Do post where I ever told anyone to go to hell. >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: Steven Fawks tuthjockey@earthlink.net >Date: 11/9/2004 8:04 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <xU5kd.9595$O11.4845@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> > >If you could understand anything, you would read that Dr. Steve said, >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: Steven Fawks tuthjockey@earthlink.net >Date: 11/9/2004 8:04 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <xU5kd.9595$O11.4845@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> > >If you could understand anything, you would read that Dr. Steve said, Your insult and attempt to cover for Sr Steve is noted. >"not just stand on your pulpit and preach your view and tell us >everyone else will go to hell". >He said "not just stand". He did not say "quit standing" or "quit >telling us". Therefore he did not say that you had been telling >everyone to "go to hell". >As far as your messages, you have warned people of going to hell based >on your judgments and beliefs. Do post proof of this claim. <snip hissy fit> > You just insist on lying, don't you. >> >> Do post where I ever told anyone to go to hell. >>If you could understand anything, you would read that Dr. Steve said, > >Your insult and attempt to cover for Sr Steve is noted. > >>"not just stand on your pulpit and preach your view and tell us >>everyone else will go to hell". Sr. Steve ...... Senor Steve? Am I older than any of the other 5-6 Steves on this forum? Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>>If you could understand anything, you would read that Dr. Steve said, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sr. Steve ...... Senor Steve? 12/05/52 Fawks > Am I older than any of the other 5-6 Steves on this forum? Then, how can I be Sr. Steve? Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > 12/05/52 > Fawks > >> Am I older than any of the other 5-6 Steves on this forum? > Then, how can I be Sr. Steve? Jan thinks you're a nun. carabelli OH,,,, I see. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> Then, how can I be Sr. Steve? > > Jan thinks you're a nun. > > carabelli "Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message > < hissy fit> I confess to creatively editing the above message. >If you want me to respond to your continual re-posting of the same questions >>over and over, you first have to prove that you will discuss the issues, not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Do post where I ever told anyone to go to hell. Its almost impossible to find a Jan post where she is not accusing someone of lying ...... >Dear Jan, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Demonstrate your maturity by elaborating your view on the famous holistic >question. Oooh (raises hand), oooh (waves hand), Oooh (snaps fingers), call on me.... Got another $1K to wager DrSM ? -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE This was a posting from years ago. Poor Jan had nothing more interesting to do with her time, so she googled backwards until she found what she thought could be interpreted as something negative coming out of my keyboard,,,,, despite the fact that I admitted to being harsh in the past and promised to be only polite in all future discussions with her. Since she brought it up, I thought it was worth a re-post. After all, I think I remember Jan re-posting a cut-and-paste message once before. If it offends her, I will apologize. However, hopefully, she is mature enough to realize it was just a gag, a joke, a tease, a light punch on the shoulder. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> Anyone want to join my new newsgroup club???? It is called the "I filter [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > SP "Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote........................... However, hopefully, she is mature enough to > realize it was just a gag, a joke, a tease, a light punch on the shoulder. Another of life's dissapointments. I was ready to market the game. carabelli >"Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote........................... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >carabelli Maybe, John Charter would like to write the code to create the game for us. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. >>"Dr Steve" <nospam@home.net> wrote........................... >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. He has better, more profitable things to do than indulge lamerz. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >Another of life's dissapointments. I was ready to market the game. > >carabelli Am interested in the name of the game. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >This was a posting from years ago. Poor Jan had nothing more interesting to >do with her time, Insulting again? Demonstrate your maturity by elaborating your view on the famous holistic question. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. >Demonstrate your maturity by elaborating your view on the famous >holistic question. >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. You should rename the thread. My suggestion is: PING: [insert topic and name here] -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>.. >>Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Dr Steve's immaturity is showing. The original question was asked and answer, he did not move on. >Dr Steve's immaturity is showing. The original question was asked and answer, >he did not move on. Wrong: I asked for clarification and Jan refused. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting. >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >answer, >>he did not move on. Subject: Re: Discussion >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net >Date: 10/6/2004 3:19 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <SwQ8d.7229$Rf1.1148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> > >How about if you tell me what differentiates a holistic dentist from a >non-holistic one. We could move on from there. http://tinyurl.com/3rly6 Your reply: Jan, That is not a discussion, that is just you refusing to discuss a topic and insisting on giving your pre-written response regardless of the question asked. Whch is a lie. >Whch is a lie. >>>Peter Moran says: >>>You claim you were "near [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>>>about it. >>>>Jan When Jan decides to demonstrate a sufficient level of maturity required to hold a discussion on (at the minimum) a 6th grade level, I will respond to one of her messages directly. >When Jan decides to demonstrate a sufficient level of maturity required to >hold a discussion on (at the minimum) a 6th grade level, I will respond to >one of her messages directly. 2012 ...... >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >When Jan decides to demonstrate a sufficient level of maturity required to >hold a discussion Which part do you find immature??? From: Jan (jdrew63929@aol.com) Subject: Re: Mercury On The Mind View: Complete Thread (103 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Date: 2004-10-15 17:17:32 PST >Subject: Re: Mercury On The Mind >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I'll read the long posting IF you promise to discuss it with any of us. >Otherwise, it just gets deleted. You'll read *IF*??? Just HOW interested, are YOU??? WHY are you placing deals on YOUR descision to delete it? YOUR role of using this mercury is YOUR choice. Do YOU feel comfortable with using this mercury??? Did you read the DEATHS from mercury vapors??? Do amalgams release mercury vapors?? Do YOU want to be responsible for installing this mercury inches from the brain??? Do YOU want to be responsible for this steady stream of gaseous mercury atoms??? Do You want to be responsible for Elemental mercury when released by a dental amalgam is inhaled and (80 percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body????? > Currently the two most important sources of mercury exposure for > Americans are dental amalgams and vaccinations. Helloooooooooooooooooooooo. >Mainstream medical journals, like Pediatrics and The New England >> Journal of Medicine, only publish studies that claim thimerosal is >> safe. And it turns out that these articles are written in large part >> by researchers in the pay of vaccine makers, YOU have WHAT to say about that??? >as the Coalition for Safe >> Minds (Sensible Action For Ending Mercury-Induced Neurological [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States" by >> Mark and David Geier, which documents a strong association between the amounts of mercury injected in vaccines and autism. Such articles can >> only find acceptance in alternative (i.e., "politically incorrect") >> journals like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, where >> this one was published. Do discuss this, please! >Brain cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three >> pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 × 10-10 molar) >> doses of mercury, an amount approximating that found in the brains of people who have a lot of amalgam fillings. > Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult's brain. An >> average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the >> hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury >> that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers >> of Alzheimer's disease. People with Alzheimer's disease have mercury >> levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people. Discuss away!!! >The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this disease. One >> investigator has found that people who received the flu vaccine each >> year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing >> Alzheimer's disease than people who had zero, 1, or 2 shots. Waiting for your response. >> Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which >> officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not >> consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when >> other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 >> rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury >> that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate >> if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum. Nice combination huh?? > Why do officials at the CDC, FDA, and leaders of the medical and >> dental establishment discount or ignore all these important facts? Uh hmmmmmmmmm. WHY indeed?? > Some of them being in the pay of vaccine makers is one reason $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. > Thespecter of litigation for having sanctioned thimerosal and amalgams >> and, in the case of the FDA, not doing appropriate safety studies on >> them is another. AS *I* have been saying. You think, I am wrong? If so why? >. But it is more complicated than that. The hypothesis >> that mercury causes autism and Alzheimer s disease is a new >> truth. And as Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each >> new truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. AMEN!!! Along with the messegner who has the guts to post it. Do you agree??? > Second, it is violently opposed. We see it HERE!!!!! >And third, it is accepted as self-evident. The mercury truth is now in the second stage. <snip more about vaccines for now> >> Today the medical establishment, led by the AAP, AAFP, AMA, CDC, and >> IOM, has gone to the other extreme. <snip> >> Avoiding flu shots that contain thimerosal, and having dentists stop >> implanting mercury amalgams in people's mouths would lower the >> incidence of Alzheimer's disease. If you have amalgam fillings, >> particularly if there is a family history of Alzheimer's disease, you >> might consider having them removed. Be sure to have a dentist do it who follows the protocol established by The International Academy of >> Oral Medicine & Toxicology for safely removing them. Discussion open. <snip> >> If your dentist parrots the American Dental Association stance on this >> subject and says that "silver" - i.e., mercury - amalgams are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> to for a number of years. When he chose to ignore it, I changed >> dentists - to a mercury-free one and had him remove all my amalgam fillings. Jan "Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message >>When Jan decides to demonstrate a sufficient level of maturity required to >>hold a discussion > > Which part do you find immature??? The part where Jan never finishes a discussion, accuses anyone who tries to discuss something with her of lying, and then posts a huge string of someone else's writing (while not giving them credit for writing it) which might not even be related to the topic being discussed. When Jan decides to demonstrate a sufficient level of maturity required to hold a discussion maybe someone will view anything she says with other than disgusted amusement. >Subject: Re: Historical posting >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Which part do you find immature??? Which part, of what you snipped do you find immature?? You'll read *IF*??? Just HOW interested, are YOU??? WHY are you placing deals on YOUR descision to delete it? YOUR role of using this mercury is YOUR choice. Do YOU feel comfortable with using this mercury??? Did you read the DEATHS from mercury vapors??? Do amalgams release mercury vapors?? Do YOU want to be responsible for installing this mercury inches from the brain??? Do YOU want to be responsible for this steady stream of gaseous mercury atoms??? Do You want to be responsible for Elemental mercury when released by a dental amalgam is inhaled and (80 percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body????? > Currently the two most important sources of mercury exposure for > Americans are dental amalgams and vaccinations. Helloooooooooooooooooooooo. >Mainstream medical journals, like Pediatrics and The New England >> Journal of Medicine, only publish studies that claim thimerosal is >> safe. And it turns out that these articles are written in large part >> by researchers in the pay of vaccine makers, YOU have WHAT to say about that??? >as the Coalition for Safe >> Minds (Sensible Action For Ending Mercury-Induced Neurological [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States" by >> Mark and David Geier, which documents a strong association between the amounts of mercury injected in vaccines and autism. Such articles can >> only find acceptance in alternative (i.e., "politically incorrect") >> journals like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, where >> this one was published. Do discuss this, please! >Brain cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three >> pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 × 10-10 molar) >> doses of mercury, an amount approximating that found in the brains of people who have a lot of amalgam fillings. > Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult's brain. An >> average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the >> hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury >> that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers >> of Alzheimer's disease. People with Alzheimer's disease have mercury >> levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people. Discuss away!!! >The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this disease. One >> investigator has found that people who received the flu vaccine each >> year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing >> Alzheimer's disease than people who had zero, 1, or 2 shots. Waiting for your response. >> Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which >> officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not >> consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when >> other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 >> rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury >> that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate >> if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum. Nice combination huh?? > Why do officials at the CDC, FDA, and leaders of the medical and >> dental establishment discount or ignore all these important facts? Uh hmmmmmmmmm. WHY indeed?? > Some of them being in the pay of vaccine makers is one reason $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. > Thespecter of litigation for having sanctioned thimerosal and amalgams >> and, in the case of the FDA, not doing appropriate safety studies on >> them is another. AS *I* have been saying. You think, I am wrong? If so why? >. But it is more complicated than that. The hypothesis >> that mercury causes autism and Alzheimer s disease is a new >> truth. And as Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each >> new truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed. AMEN!!! Along with the messegner who has the guts to post it. Do you agree??? > Second, it is violently opposed. We see it HERE!!!!! >And third, it is accepted as self-evident. The mercury truth is now in the second stage. <snip more about vaccines for now> >> Today the medical establishment, led by the AAP, AAFP, AMA, CDC, and >> IOM, has gone to the other extreme. <snip> >> Avoiding flu shots that contain thimerosal, and having dentists stop >> implanting mercury amalgams in people's mouths would lower the >> incidence of Alzheimer's disease. If you have amalgam fillings, >> particularly if there is a family history of Alzheimer's disease, you >> might consider having them removed. Be sure to have a dentist do it who follows the protocol established by The International Academy of >> Oral Medicine & Toxicology for safely removing them. Discussion open. <snip> >> If your dentist parrots the American Dental Association stance on this >> subject and says that "silver" - i.e., mercury - amalgams are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> to for a number of years. When he chose to ignore it, I changed >> dentists - to a mercury-free one and had him remove all my amalgam fillings. Jan Jan is hilarious. She does not understand that no one (including me) is going to read the same cut-and-paste lies that pretend to address issues which she refuses to discuss. If she ever gets tired of pretending to be adolescent and wishes to return to the discussion and actually participate like an adult, she and I will have a nice conversation. Until then, well,,,, I never really thought she would be wiling to discuss any topic with me anyway. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... >Jan is hilarious. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >have a nice conversation. Until then, well,,,, I never really thought she >would be wiling to discuss any topic with me anyway. Yep, cost you a grand too. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >>Jan is hilarious. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Yep, cost you a grand too. Please don't rub it in ! ! ! ! Yes, please don't. Wouldn't help the butt on the grill. >>Yep, cost you a grand too. > > Please don't rub it in ! ! ! ! >Until then, well,,,, I never really thought >>>she [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Please don't rub it in ! ! ! ! OK, but you should see what you bought for me. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com "W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message >>Until then, well,,,, I never really thought >>>>she [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > OK, but you should see what you bought for me. You are rubbing it in again!!! :-(( >Subject: Re: Hysterical posting >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net >Date: 11/10/2004 5:31 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <RKokd.18183$Rf1.4847@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> > >W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message >Subject: Re: Hysterical posting >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net >Date: 11/10/2004 5:31 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <RKokd.18183$Rf1.4847@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> > >W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> wrote in message From: W_B (no_one@nowhere.net) Subject: Re: Where is Joel? View this article only Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Date: 2004-08-07 08:23:43 PST >"So where are you two going on your date" > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Gail Especially in Salt Lake City... Subject: Re: Abstracts>>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net >>Date: 8/28/2004 1:20 PM Pacific Standard Time >>>Message-id: <u652j01i7lu93ko6c32355u08opmli0khj@4ax.com> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >>Damned shame that she didn't. >Insulting again? >>It is also wrong to tell lies and belittle. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >>Jan |
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