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John Chewter - 20 Oct 2004 10:29 GMT From Usenet Faq.
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Joel M. Eichen - 20 Oct 2004 15:00 GMT >From Usenet Faq. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > discussions which center around NetNews itself; rec - recreational > activities; soc - social issues; talk - long-winded never-ending THANKS John,
By the way, anyone hear from Jan? I haven't seen her post at sci.med.dentistry for a while.
Joel
I am wondering why I just thought of that?????
Jan - 20 Oct 2004 20:46 GMT >From: "John Chewter"
>- Don't get involved in flame wars. John Chewter - 20 Oct 2004 22:40 GMT ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Harken unto that!
> >From: "John Chewter" > >>- Don't get involved in flame wars. Jan - 20 Oct 2004 21:01 GMT CHARTER:
The main objective of sci.med.dentistry is to allow internet users (dentists, dental students, researchers, and patients) the opportunity to discuss Dentistry and any dental related issues. Included in this forum would be the issues of dental research, patient/dentist interaction, new technology in dentistry, infection control discussion/answers, legislation issues in dentistry, question and answers, medico-legal issues, and any other related dentistry discussion.
carabelli - 20 Oct 2004 21:13 GMT > CHARTER: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and answers, medico-legal issues, and any other related dentistry > discussion. I note the word discuss was mentioned several times.
carabelli
W_B - 20 Oct 2004 21:21 GMT >> CHARTER: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >carabelli Yeah, all we get here is the 'discus' dental --
W_B
Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Jan - 20 Oct 2004 23:20 GMT >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >carabelli Good for you. Wonder is Dr Steve saw it???
Discussion is open, waiting Dr Steve
carabelli - 21 Oct 2004 00:39 GMT > >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >>From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Discussion is open, waiting Dr Steve Your act is wearing thin. Thanks for living up to our expectations.
carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 21 Oct 2004 00:52 GMT >Your act is wearing thin. Thanks for living up to our expectations. > >carabelli Funny part is Jan does not realize what she is doing. I think she has forgotten that she makes identical posts 10,000 times!
Joel
de-NILE
Jan - 21 Oct 2004 04:40 GMT >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >From: "carabelli" huerter@worldnet.att.net [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Your act is wearing thin. Well, no it isn't an act, It's the fact that Steve and others falsely accused me of not discussing, when clearly I did, now the tricks and lies have backfired.
And your big mouth got you in more trouble.
> Discussion is open, waiting Dr Steve Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 21 Oct 2004 12:12 GMT >>Subject: Re: To whom it may concern Mercury fillings? Well it concerns no one .......... we got a busy world out there!
John Chewter - 21 Oct 2004 13:16 GMT Its a fact that in some parts of the world, some folks can go through a whole day without mentioning mercury.
Apparently.
Joel M. Eichen - 21 Oct 2004 13:36 GMT >Its a fact that in some parts of the world, some folks can go through a >whole day without mentioning mercury. .... or Mars.
>Apparently. Jan - 21 Oct 2004 23:36 GMT >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Its a fact that in some parts of the world, some folks can go through a >whole day without mentioning mercury. Yeah, some can barely speak because of mercury.
Joel M. Eichen - 22 Oct 2004 01:08 GMT >Yeah, some can barely speak because of mercury. Interferes with Break Dancing ....
Dr. Steve - 21 Oct 2004 02:32 GMT >>Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >>From: "carabelli" redslaz3@att.net.not [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Discussion is open, waiting Dr Steve LOL! .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
W_B - 21 Oct 2004 02:38 GMT >>Good for you. Wonder is Dr Steve saw it??? >> >>Discussion is open, waiting Dr Steve >LOL! >.. >Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Does Dr. Stevie wonder ?
-- W_B
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE
Joel M. Eichen - 21 Oct 2004 12:13 GMT >>>Good for you. Wonder is Dr Steve saw it??? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Does Dr. Stevie wonder ? Catchy name .... .I know a blind singer .........
Jan - 21 Oct 2004 04:48 GMT >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>Discussion is open, waiting Dr Steve >LOL! LOL???????
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
HELLOOOOOOOOOO
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO
CALLING DR STEVE, YOUR TURN TO DISCUSS.
Why haven't you?
Questions to pointed????
Awww, you can't answer truthfully.
See what happens when you get caught in your own little dishonest games???
Still waiting.
>Subject: Re: Amalgams ruined my life >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net >Date: 10/19/2004 5:14 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <br8dd.10457$9e1.9474@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com> > >Another repeat posting. Another refusal to discuss!!!!!
WHY is that?????
What you are doing is dancing around, it is noted you haven't discuss or amswered my questions.
> Are you refusing to answer or discuss????
> WHY didn't you?
>I'll read the long posting IF you promise to discuss it with any of us. Otherwise, it just gets deleted.
You'll read *IF*???
Just HOW interested, are YOU???
WHY are you placing deals on YOUR descision to delete it? YOUR role of using this mercury is YOUR choice. Do YOU feel comfortable with using this mercury???
Did you read the DEATHS from mercury vapors???
Do amalgams release mercury vapors??
Do YOU want to be responsible for installing this mercury inches from the brain???
Do YOU want to be responsible for this steady stream of gaseous mercury atoms???
Do You want to be responsible for Elemental mercury when released by a dental amalgam is inhaled and (80 percent of it) absorbed by the lungs and retained in the body?????
Currently the two most important sources of mercury exposure for Americans are dental amalgams and vaccinations.
Helloooooooooooooooooooooo.
Mainstream medical journals, like Pediatrics and The New England Journal of Medicine, only publish studies that claim thimerosal is safe. And it turns out that these articles are written in large part by researchers in the pay of vaccine makers,
YOU have WHAT to say about that???
as the Coalition for Safe Minds (Sensible Action For Ending Mercury-Induced Neurological Disorders), a private nonprofit organization, has shown. Editors of these journals will not publish studies that show a link between thimerosal and autism like Thimerosal in Childhood Vaccines, Neurodevelopment Disorders, and Heart Disease in the United States" by Mark and David Geier, which documents a strong association between the amounts of mercury injected in vaccines and autism. Such articles can only find acceptance in alternative (i.e., "politically incorrect") journals like the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, where this one was published.
Do discuss this, please!
Brain cells grown in the laboratory develop the same three pathologic findings when exposed to nanomolar (3.6 × 10-10 molar) doses of mercury, an amount approximating that found in the brains of people who have a lot of amalgam fillings.
Dental amalgams are the main source of mercury in an adult's brain. An average-sized amalgam filling contains 750,000 micrograms of mercury and releases around 10 micrograms a day. Researchers put radiolabelled mercury amalgams in the teeth of sheep and determined where escaped mercury went with a scanner. They showed that mercury atoms exhaled through the nose travel up filaments of the olfactory nerve to the hippocampus, which controls memory, and to other critical areas in the brain. In another study, rats given the same concentration of mercury that people inhale from their amalgams develop the pathologic markers of Alzheimer's disease. People with Alzheimer's disease have mercury levels in their brains that are 2 to 3 times higher than that seen in normal people.
Discuss away!!!
The mercury in flu vaccines also plays a role in this disease. One investigator has found that people who received the flu vaccine each year for 3 to 5 years had a ten-fold greater chance of developing Alzheimer's disease than people who had zero, 1, or 2 shots.
Waiting for your response.
Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum.
Nice combination huh??
Why do officials at the CDC, FDA, and leaders of the medical and dental establishment discount or ignore all these important facts?
Uh hmmmmmmmmm.
WHY indeed??
Some of them being in the pay of vaccine makers is one reason
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Thespecter of litigation for having sanctioned thimerosal and amalgams and, in the case of the FDA, not doing appropriate safety studies on them is another.
AS *I* have been saying. You think, I am wrong? If so why?
. But it is more complicated than that. The hypothesis that mercury causes autism and Alzheimers disease is a new truth. And as Schopenhauer points out (see my article on him), each new truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed.
AMEN!!! Along with the messegner who has the guts to post it. Do you agree???
Second, it is violently opposed.
We see it HERE!!!!!
And third, it is accepted as self-evident. The mercury truth is now in the second stage.
<snip more about vaccines for now>
Today the medical establishment, led by the AAP, AAFP, AMA, CDC, and IOM, has gone to the other extreme.
<snip>
Avoiding flu shots that contain thimerosal, and having dentists stop implanting mercury amalgams in people's mouths would lower the incidence of Alzheimer's disease. If you have amalgam fillings, particularly if there is a family history of Alzheimer's disease, you might consider having them removed. Be sure to have a dentist do it who follows the protocol established by The International Academy of Oral Medicine & Toxicology for safely removing them.
Discussion open.
<snip>
If your dentist parrots the American Dental Association stance on this subject and says that "silver" - i.e., mercury - amalgams are perfectly safe, insist that he or she read Dr. Boyd Haley's response to the president of the ADA on his defense of dental amalgams. It is posted on this website. I sent it to my dentist who I had been going to for a number of years. When he chose to ignore it, I changed dentists - to a mercury-free one and had him remove all my amalgam fillings.
Jan
Dr. Steve - 21 Oct 2004 02:31 GMT >CHARTER: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >and answers, medico-legal issues, and any other related dentistry >discussion. YES!! It says Discussion. Not repeatedly re-posting the same angry and insulting message ten times. .. Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA
Writing on a tablet PC,so forgive me if the PC misreads my poor handwriting.
Jan - 21 Oct 2004 05:05 GMT >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >From: Dr. Steve drsteve@no-spam.com [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >YES!! It says Discussion. Not repeatedly re-posting the same angry and >insulting message ten times. WHEN are you going to START the latest discussing??????
Why do you keep bring up the old discussion which has been thoroughly covered????
Who is angry????
This story keeps growing.
You question was answered.
You have confused straight (not beating around the bush) shooter talking with anger and insulting.
Subject: Re: Discussion
>From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net >Date: 10/6/2004 3:19 AM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <SwQ8d.7229$Rf1.1148@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> > >How about if you tell me what differentiates a holistic dentist from a >non-holistic one. We could move on from there. I have done that over and over. If you don't know the difference, you haven't been reading, and/or are playing dumb.
However, the answer is simple.
Holistic dentists know the truth about the ADA and their misleading information.
They KNOW and are TRUTHFUL about the risks of amalgams and root canals.
They (unlike you) see the relevence to the number of amalgams to the hg released.
They do NOT use mercury amalgams.
The have the risks posted IN their office, waiting room for all to see.
They are aware and CARE about the fact that mercury is ruining the evnironment
They know and are TRUTHFUL that hg vapours FROM AMALGAMS goes to every organ of the body.
They KNOW this is harmful.
They KNOW amalgams release Hg from the minute they are installed.
They do NOT divert to the *other sources ploy*.
(for example)
It is possible that we have accepted a potentially dangerous material as being safe.
(and your answer?)
Is it *possible*. Well,,,,, we could say that about any product. So, I would say certainlly it is possible.
We aren't talking about *any* product, we are talking about millions of people who have amalgams, and those who istall them.
For starters.
Respectfully, you should already know this.
I believe you do.
However. it's just too much trouble to change and worry about EGO, which appears more important that SUFFERING people with *UNANSWERD* health problems.
I suggest you vusit http://www.toxicteeth.net
Then study the link Clinton posted.
http://www.toxicteeth.org/Berlinbilaga.doc
Jan
Dr Steve - 21 Oct 2004 20:19 GMT -- >>YES!! It says Discussion. Not repeatedly re-posting the same angry and
>>insulting message ten times. > > WHEN are you going to START the latest discussing?????? > > Why do you keep bring up the old discussion which has been thoroughly > covered???? Because I still have no idea what you mean by holistic dentist.
Jan - 21 Oct 2004 23:37 GMT >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Because I still have no idea what you mean by holistic dentist. Stop lying.
StovePipe - 23 Oct 2004 03:51 GMT > >Because I still have no idea what you mean by holistic dentist. > > Stop lying. .
 Signature Not a real Addy, yet
Jan - 23 Oct 2004 04:29 GMT >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >From: StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet (StovePipe) >Date: 10/22/2004 6:51 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <1gm2ts8.19ud7d51u2bh8nN%StovesNewAddy@sympatico.DOTnet> > >> >Because I still have no idea what you mean by holistic dentist. No, I didn't write that.
John Chewter - 23 Oct 2004 07:35 GMT Dr Steve wrote it.
>>> >Because I still have no idea what you mean by holistic dentist. > > No, I didn't write that. Joel M. Eichen - 23 Oct 2004 13:52 GMT >> >Because I still have no idea what you mean by holistic dentist. >> >> Stop lying. Wholeistic dentists want all of it.
> >. W_B - 23 Oct 2004 18:46 GMT >>> >Because I still have no idea what you mean by holistic dentist. >>> >>> Stop lying. > >Wholeistic dentists want all of it. Hole-istic 'dentists' make holes in the bank account, pocketbook. They are adept at relieving one of XS cash.
-- W_B
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE
Dr Steve - 25 Oct 2004 19:55 GMT Okay, humor me, and tell me (without re-peat posting the same cut-and-paste) how a holistic dentist differs from a conventional dentist if RCT and Hg were not considered.
 Signature ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA ....................................................
This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
> >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >>From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Stop lying. Jan - 25 Oct 2004 20:49 GMT >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >how a holistic dentist differs from a conventional dentist if RCT and Hg >were not considered. repeat.
Already did, and the the additional added is noted.
From: Dr Steve (nospam@home.net) Subject: Re: Discussion View this article only Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Date: 2004-10-06 04:20:02 PST
How about if you tell me what differentiates a holistic dentist from a non-holistic one. We could move on from there.
Dr Steve - 25 Oct 2004 21:29 GMT HUH ???
 Signature ~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA ....................................................
This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ......................
> >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >>From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > How about if you tell me what differentiates a holistic dentist from a > non-holistic one. We could move on from there. John Chewter - 25 Oct 2004 23:55 GMT So Jan, tell us the answer?
We are all waiting.. You could always repost it. You do everything else.
> >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >>From: "Dr Steve" nospam@home.net [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > How about if you tell me what differentiates a holistic dentist from a > non-holistic one. We could move on from there. Jan - 26 Oct 2004 00:05 GMT >Subject: Re: To whom it may concern >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk >Date: 10/25/2004 2:55 PM Pacific Standard Time >Message-id: <clk09m$t0b$1@titan.btinternet.com> > >So Jan, tell us the answer? Subject: Re: Joel Has NO proof of his Claims From: jdrew63929@aol.com (Jan) Date: 10/25/2004 1:37 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: <20041025173716.03602.00002794@mb-m04.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Joel Has NO proof of his Claims >From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >This is a correct answer. I am not wondering. That correct answer is???
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