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Infection in Tooth with Root Canal and Apicoectomy

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George M. - 19 Oct 2004 05:58 GMT
Hi,

I have a tooth which had root canal about twenty years ago and an
apicoectomy about five years afterwards. I now seem to have developed
a new infection in that tooth and my dentist says he can't do anything
further than prescribe anti-biotics. I am not sure if they are
helping.

Any other options?

Thanks.
jtblue33 - 19 Oct 2004 12:45 GMT
This is only my experience but I doubt anything can be done. Same
thing happened to me. I had a Root canal 20 years ago, apico followed
a few years later. Two years ago, after complaining to my dentist for
over a year that the tooth felt "funny" and nothing done, I got a
second opinion from an oral surgeon. He spotted the infection right
away and a few days later, I had no option but to have the tooth
pulled. It was cracked. I suspect it was the post in the canal that
did it as this was the root which was cracked (he showed it to me). I
did it with only a local anesthetic, I was nervous but it didn't hurt
at all and saved me $300 because I was awake as opposed to asleep.

Good luck.
Dr Steve - 19 Oct 2004 14:23 GMT
Sounds like a repeat of your situation.

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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
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This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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> This is only my experience but I doubt anything can be done. Same
> thing happened to me. I had a Root canal 20 years ago, apico followed
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>
> Good luck.
CWatters - 19 Oct 2004 15:45 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> further than prescribe anti-biotics. I am not sure if they are
> helping.

I have _exactly_ the same history. Only my dentist sent me to an expert to
ask for a second/repeat apicoectomy.

In my case the expert looks at the same x-ray and says he can't do it again
because the tooth is also split. Says tooth must now be removed. Back home
my dentist says he can't see the split on the x-ray but expert knows best.
After some thought I agree to let him extract it and it turns out the tooth
is indeed split. I'm currently waiting for it to heal so bridge can be
fitted.
Dr Steve - 19 Oct 2004 19:11 GMT
After a while, we learn to sniff those out and can tell they are fractured
even though the x-ray image does not reveal the fracture.

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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>
>> Hi,
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> is indeed split. I'm currently waiting for it to heal so bridge can be
> fitted.
ruby2sd@webtv.net - 23 Oct 2004 06:01 GMT
Pardon me folks...I'm not a dentist, just a reluctant patient... please
tell me what an "Apicoectomy" is?

Heard a guest on Letterman tonight refer to one she had... she said it
was terribly painful...

This will be my first Root Canal..it's a molar..and the filling fell
out... have seen 3 dentists for opinions.. the predictions and prices
get more dire, confusing and I'm getting MORE scared and reluctant.

The tooth doesn't hurt that much ...

I'd like to keep smiling...

ruby.
CWatters - 23 Oct 2004 08:50 GMT
> Pardon me folks...I'm not a dentist, just a reluctant patient... please
> tell me what an "Apicoectomy" is?

http://www.qualitydentistry.com/dental/endo/apicoectomy.html
CWatters - 23 Oct 2004 08:57 GMT
> The tooth doesn't hurt that much ...

The problems start when a tooth decays so much that it stops hurting. Best
get it done.

I've had both a root canal and an Apicoectomy. The root canal was painless.
I had the Apicoectomy under a general 20 years ago.
StovePipe - 23 Oct 2004 13:18 GMT
> The tooth doesn't hurt that much ...
>
> I'd like to keep smiling...
>
> ruby.

See an Endodontist (root canal specialist) and see what he/she thinks.
Apico is removing the sick root tip(s) and often necessiatates re-doing
the RCT as well, if one wants to be sure. Don't get all worked up: most
RCT don't need apicos, just as most Extreme Makovers don't last 2 years.
Remember: they usually work
Cheeahs
SP
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ruby2sd@webtv.net - 24 Oct 2004 07:43 GMT
Thank you for your help..

The photos you posted helped a lot, too...

Can anyone recommend an Endodentist in Suffolk Cty, LI with a
compassionate personality?  (I had horrible prior Othodentic eps. as a
child, and 1 Dentist I saw 15 yrs. ago pointed to the roots on my
x-rays, claimed they were cavities and wanted to pull ALL! Since the
samething had happened to my mother  at another Dentists..I said I'd go
for a 2nd opinion and ran like..H!

Does this explain my hesitation???  

ruby.
q@q.com - 24 Oct 2004 15:54 GMT
Shamul John W DDS
678 Deer Park Avenue
Babylon, NY  11702
631-587-8493

> Thank you for your help..
>
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>
> ruby.
Steven Bornfeld - 24 Oct 2004 16:21 GMT
> Shamul John W DDS
> 678 Deer Park Avenue
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>> Does this explain my hesitation???
>> ruby.

    I'd recommend Dr. Anthony Fragola--he's on Montauk Hwy. in W. Islip.

Steve
W_B - 24 Oct 2004 20:14 GMT
>    I'd recommend Dr. Anthony Fragola--he's on Montauk Hwy. in W. Islip.
>
>Steve

Been there !

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Steven Bornfeld - 24 Oct 2004 20:19 GMT
>>    I'd recommend Dr. Anthony Fragola--he's on Montauk Hwy. in W. Islip.
>>
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> --
> W_B

    He was president of our dental school class the first 2 years, and a
super guy.

Steve

> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
> Take out the G'RBAGE
W_B - 24 Oct 2004 20:22 GMT
>>>    I'd recommend Dr. Anthony Fragola--he's on Montauk Hwy. in W. Islip.
>>>
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>
>Steve

Have an aunt who used to live in Islip, L.I. moved to -->FLA
go figure.

Still have some relatives on L.I.

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Joel M. Eichen - 23 Oct 2004 13:49 GMT
>Pardon me folks...I'm not a dentist, just a reluctant patient... please
>tell me what an "Apicoectomy" is?

Apico- means apex or the tip of the root (or tip of the mountain).

APEX def. The highest point (of something)

-ecotomy means "to cut."

TOME .root . def. A (usually) large and scholarly book

Written material was formerly rolled into scrolls. After the
development of papyrus, the material was "cut" into sheets, thus the
relation of cut and "tome." (which means to cut).

Similary "TOMOGRAPHY" is a series of slices or cuts, done through
x-ray process.

Cuneiform was also "cut" by inserting the stylus into the wet clay.

Apico-ec-tomy.

Means cutting off the diseased tip of the root.

It can be done a little quicker than my description of the etymology
of the word!

Joel

>Heard a guest on Letterman tonight refer to one she had... she said it
>was terribly painful...
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>
>ruby.
Joel M. Eichen - 23 Oct 2004 13:49 GMT
>Heard a guest on Letterman tonight refer to one she had... she said it
>was terribly painful...

NAH,, unless she opted for no xylocaine!
W_B - 19 Oct 2004 16:21 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>
>Thanks.

See an endodontist for a consultation.

You may have a fractured root.
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W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
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anonymous - 23 Oct 2004 04:15 GMT
Thanks to all for the info. Will check with endodontist but most
likely scenario will be to get it pulled.

Quick follow-up question....at what point does such an infection pose
a health risk to other parts of the body (i.e. heart). Is it risky to
have infection ongoing for a week or so?  Thanks again.

George M.

>Hi,
>
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>
>Thanks.
Jan - 23 Oct 2004 04:38 GMT
>Subject: Re: Infection in Tooth with Root Canal and Apicoectomy
>From: anonymous anonymous@yahoo.com
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>George M

http://dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm#treatment

A: While mercury is toxic and can do terrible things to nerve tissue, it does
it slowly over decades. The treatment that can have the biggest and fastest
impact on the body is root canal therapy. The idea of keeping a dead, infected
organ in the body is only thought to be a good idea by dentists. A root
canal-treated tooth always negatively affects your immune system.
Joel M. Eichen - 23 Oct 2004 13:51 GMT
>>Subject: Re: Infection in Tooth with Root Canal and Apicoectomy
>>From: anonymous anonymous@yahoo.com
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>
>http://dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm#BOGUStreatment

WELCOME JAN

>A: While mercury is toxic and can do terrible things to nerve tissue, it does
>it slowly over decades. The treatment that can have the biggest and fastest
>impact on the body is root canal therapy. The idea of keeping a dead, infected
>organ in the body is only thought to be a good idea by dentists. A root
>canal-treated tooth always negatively affects your immune system.
Dr Steve - 26 Oct 2004 17:56 GMT
Okay,,,,,,,,,,,, everyone slide into the time machine for a trip back to
1918 and all the science that was known at that time.

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Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
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"Jan" <jdrew63929@aol.com> wrote in message >>

>>Thanks to all for the info. Will check with endodontist but most
>>likely scenario will be to get it pulled.
>>
>>Quick follow-up question....at what point does such an infection pose
>>a health risk to other parts of the body (i.e. heart). Is it risky to
>>have infection ongoing for a week or so?  Thanks again.

> A: While mercury is toxic and can do terrible things to nerve tissue, it
> does
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> organ in the body is only thought to be a good idea by dentists. A root
> canal-treated tooth always negatively affects your immune system.
Joel M. Eichen - 23 Oct 2004 13:51 GMT
>Thanks to all for the info. Will check with endodontist but most
>likely scenario will be to get it pulled.
>
>Quick follow-up question....at what point does such an infection pose
>a health risk to other parts of the body (i.e. heart). Is it risky to
>have infection ongoing for a week or so?  Thanks again.

Rarely does this happen as infections are encapsulated.

Hygieinists will disagree, but that's why we are the doctors not them!

Joel

>George M.
>
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>>
>>Thanks.
W_B - 23 Oct 2004 18:37 GMT
>>Quick follow-up question....at what point does such an infection pose
>>a health risk to other parts of the body (i.e. heart).

The risk is when an infection becomes *chronic*
Untreated infection is a risk to the entire body.

> Is it risky to
>>have infection ongoing for a week or so?  Thanks again.

One week ? No problem. Nt chronic. Months ? Yes that is a problem.

>Rarely does this happen as infections are encapsulated.

True for dental infections, mostly; however, once fistulation occurs
the infection is deemed *chronic*.

>Hygieinists will disagree, but that's why we are the doctors not them!

Never have employed a hygienist.
In my practice the doctor cleans your teeth.
It is appreciated by all of my patients.

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wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
Joel M. Eichen - 23 Oct 2004 19:33 GMT
>>>Quick follow-up question....at what point does such an infection pose
>>>a health risk to other parts of the body (i.e. heart).
>
>The risk is when an infection becomes *chronic*
>Untreated infection is a risk to the entire body.

How so?

Take a periapical abscess .....

>> Is it risky to
>>>have infection ongoing for a week or so?  Thanks again.
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>In my practice the doctor cleans your teeth.
>It is appreciated by all of my patients.
 
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