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Joel M. Eichen - 14 Oct 2004 15:22 GMT
I want it implanted so I can REALLY tell when heREALLY  had his last
full mouth x-rays!

It was two weeks ago but the patient says,

Oh x-rays? It Was Six Years Ago."

LIAR, LIAR, pants on fire.

Joel

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Posted on Thu, Oct. 14, 2004


 
I M A G E S  

AP photo  
A computer chip stores a code that gives patient-specific data when a
scanner passes over it, like a UPC code at a store.




Medical data chip approved by FDA

The implanted device offers doctors vital information. But its
possible use in tracking people raises privacy concerns.

By Barnaby J. Feder and Tom Zeller Jr.

New York Times News Service

The Food and Drug Administration has cleared the way for a Florida
company to market implantable microchips that would provide easy
access to individual medical records.

The approval, which the company announced yesterday, is expected to
take the lid off a simmering debate over a technology that has evoked
Orwellian overtones for privacy advocates and fueled fears of
widespread tracking of people with implanted radio frequency tags,
even though that capability does not yet exist.

Applied Digital Solutions, based in Delray Beach, Fla., said that its
devices, which it calls VeriChips, could save lives and limit injuries
from errors in medical treatment. And it hopes such medical uses will
accelerate acceptance of under-the-skin ID chips as security and
access-control devices.

Scott R. Silverman, chairman and chief executive of Applied Digital,
said that the FDA approval should help the company overcome "the
creepy factor" of implanted tags that has stirred widespread suspicion
in recent years.

"We believe there are far fewer people resisting this today,"
Silverman said. But whether implanted identification tags can overcome
opposition from those who fear new levels of personal surveillance and
fundamentalist religious groups who believe the tags may be the "mark
of the beast" referred to in the Book of Revelation is far from clear.

In Applied Digital's vision, patients implanted with the chips could
receive more effective care because doctors, emergency-room personnel,
and even ambulance crews equipped with Applied's handheld radio
scanners would be able to read a unique 16-digit number on the chip.

The chip does not contain any records, but with the number, the care
provider would be able to retrieve medical information about blood
type, drug histories, and other critical data stored on computers. The
medical records could be easily updated on the computers.

Animals 'chipped'

Tiny radio frequency identification, or RFID tags similar to VeriChip
have been embedded in livestock and pets by the millions in recent
years as a more secure form of identification than external tags.

Animals, of course, have no say in whether they "get chipped," as the
promoters of the technology call the simple insertion process. But no
device-maker has yet been able to create a market for human
implantable tags like VeriChip, which are the size of a grain of rice
and are inserted just under the skin of the arm or hand with a
syringe.

Applied Digital's distributors overseas have achieved some highly
publicized, if limited, successes. This summer, Gen. Rafael Macedo de
la Concha, Mexico's attorney general, announced that he and scores of
his subordinates received implanted chips that control access to a
secure room and documents considered vital in Mexico's war with drug
cartels.

Privacy concerns

Conspiracy theorists often attach capabilities to the technology that
do not exist. Even so, real privacy concerns have emerged.

"At the point you place the chip beneath the skin, you're saying you
will not have the ability to remove the ID tracking device," said Marc
Rotenberg, the executive director of the Electronic Privacy
Information Center, a public-interest advocacy group in Washington.

Applied Digital has tried to counter concerns about the privacy
implications of the technology by arguing that the implantation of
chips is voluntary and that the only records linked to a VeriChip will
be those authorized by the person with the chip.

Critics say that if the technology gains a foothold, employers,
government authorities, and others with power over individuals could
dictate how the technology is used. For instance, if chips were to
replace dog tags as military identification, the decision would not be
up to the discretion of individual soldiers.


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Vaughn - 14 Oct 2004 23:11 GMT
> I want it implanted so I can REALLY tell when heREALLY  had his last
> full mouth x-rays!
>
> It was two weeks ago but the patient says,
>
>  Oh x-rays? It Was Six Years Ago."

    Actually not.  That chip is not programmable and contains no information
except for a number.  To be useful, it must somehow be indexed to externally
stored medical/dental files.  Your pet may already have one (my cat does,  her
"real" name is 01110110000101).  Just think of it as a permanent medical ID
bracelet.

Vaughn
Joel M. Eichen - 15 Oct 2004 13:32 GMT
>> I want it implanted so I can REALLY tell when heREALLY  had his last
>> full mouth x-rays!
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Vaughn

Thanks. So we could link it to a number that when looked up on the
internet says, "This guy is such a huge loser and never pays his
bills. STAY AWAY from treating him."

STILL USEFUL INFORMATION!

PS- I saw this on TV. We have the local SPCA advocating them. How
costly is it? Perhaps it could be used for people with Alzheimer's or
something ...... or bad dental patients ....

Joel
Vaughn - 16 Oct 2004 00:23 GMT
> Thanks. So we could link it to a number that when looked up on the
> internet says, "This guy is such a huge loser and never pays his
> bills. STAY AWAY from treating him."
>
> STILL USEFUL INFORMATION!

    True!  But you can do that now by paying the credit agencies.

> PS- I saw this on TV. We have the local SPCA advocating them. How
> costly is it? Perhaps it could be used for people with Alzheimer's or
> something ...... or bad dental patients ....

    Can't be too expensive.  If you adopt a pound animal here, it will already
have the chip.  The racket is that you are supposed to pay an annual fee to the
chip people for "registration" or the computer gets amnesia and forgets who owns
Fido.

Vaughn
Adenosine - 16 Oct 2004 00:29 GMT
>> Thanks. So we could link it to a number that when looked up on the
>> internet says, "This guy is such a huge loser and never pays his
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>     True!  But you can do that now by paying the credit agencies.

Some of us are very credit worthy, yet have low credit scores because
they factor in length of credit history.

Even worse off are those people who like to pay for things in full.
Having a crap credit history seems to be BETTER than having no credit
history.

As if it was bad enough to have to use a currency based on debt, you
have to get personal debt to own a home or a car, or pay for you teeth
fixed if you don't have thousands of dollars lying around.

Adenosine

>> PS- I saw this on TV. We have the local SPCA advocating them. How
>> costly is it? Perhaps it could be used for people with Alzheimer's or
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Vaughn
Vaughn - 16 Oct 2004 00:49 GMT
> Some of us are very credit worthy, yet have low credit scores because
> they factor in length of credit history.

    True, but it really does not take all that long.  The other side of that
coin is that the credit card companies lure college students into unnecessary
credit card debt with that "credit building" talk.  Until just a few years ago,
I was a part-time student.  Every time I used one of the public study areas, I
would collect all of the credit applications that those leaches kept displayed
on every desk and toss them in the trash.  It was like using a spoon to empty
the Atlantic, but it felt good.

Vaughn
Adenosine - 16 Oct 2004 01:16 GMT
>> Some of us are very credit worthy, yet have low credit scores because
>> they factor in length of credit history.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Vaughn

I've not been to college, but I think the number of ads I get in the
mail is bad enough. I've gotten two ads for the same company for the
same card on the same day. And it doesn't suprise me if I see the same
ad a couple dozen times. On the plus side, the terms of the offers
have helped me get a rough guestimate of how good my credit is!

Adenosine
Dr. Steve - 17 Oct 2004 00:52 GMT
I would suggest you write "No THANKS" on the form, & put it in the
pre-paid postage return envelope.At least force the sender to pay more
for the privilege of forcing you Ad open their SPAM.

>>> Some of us are very credit worthy, yet have low credit scores because
>>> they factor in length of credit history.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Adenosine
Adenosine - 17 Oct 2004 01:00 GMT
>I would suggest you write "No THANKS" on the form, & put it in the
>pre-paid postage return envelope.At least force the sender to pay more
>for the privilege of forcing you Ad open their SPAM.

I never thought of that. Good plan!

Adenosine

>>>> Some of us are very credit worthy, yet have low credit scores because
>>>> they factor in length of credit history.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>>
>>Adenosine
Roy Brown - 17 Oct 2004 01:49 GMT
Agreed!

| >I would suggest you write "No THANKS" on the form, & put it in the
| >pre-paid postage return envelope.At least force the sender to pay more
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
| >>
| >>Adenosine
Bammers5 - 17 Oct 2004 02:30 GMT
What's even more fun is take several, take the inserts and swap them in the
different reply envelopes and mail the info to the different companies.

keith

>I would suggest you write "No THANKS" on the form, & put it in the
>>pre-paid postage return envelope.At least force the sender to pay more
>>for the privilege of forcing you Ad open their SPAM.
W_B - 17 Oct 2004 06:05 GMT
Interesting twist. Leave your identity stuff out of the mix though.

>What's even more fun is take several, take the inserts and swap them in the
>different reply envelopes and mail the info to the different companies.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>>pre-paid postage return envelope.At least force the sender to pay more
>>>for the privilege of forcing you Ad open their SPAM.

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
Dr Steve - 18 Oct 2004 12:52 GMT
I write (in red) NO THANKS over the identity stuff.  I figure, they might
decide to take me off their mailing list that way.  They already know it is
a valid mailing address, or the letter would have come back undeliverable.

Signature

~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>
> Interesting twist. Leave your identity stuff out of the mix though.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
> Take out the G'RBAGE
W_B - 17 Oct 2004 06:04 GMT
>>I would suggest you write "No THANKS" on the form, & put it in the
>>pre-paid postage return envelope.At least force the sender to pay more
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Adenosine

Hell just send the empty envelope.
Include just the part with the addy if it's a 'window' type.

Tape it if needed, leave no clue to who you are.
You may want to wear gloves... Too much CSI, I know.

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
Dr Steve - 18 Oct 2004 12:53 GMT
I will usually fold up their outer envelope and send that back too.  Why
should I have to throw it away?

Signature

~+--~+--~+--~+--~+--
Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S.
Troy, Michigan, USA
....................................................

This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only.
Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on
the advice or opinion expressed here.  Only a dentist who has examined you
in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect
your health.
......................

>
>>>I would suggest you write "No THANKS" on the form, & put it in the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
> Take out the G'RBAGE
W_B - 18 Oct 2004 16:50 GMT
>I will usually fold up their outer envelope and send that back too.  Why
>should I have to throw it away?

Nice touch.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
W_B - 17 Oct 2004 06:05 GMT
>I would suggest you write "No THANKS" on the form, & put it in the
>pre-paid postage return envelope.At least force the sender to pay more
>for the privilege of forcing you Ad open their SPAM.

Sometimes it's real fun to take all of the subscription forms from the
office magazines (have counted up to 17 in one mag) and drop
them in the mailbox.  Blank of course.

--
W_B

wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Take out the G'RBAGE
 
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