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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / October 2004General Prices of Teeth Repair
OK, I am in brutal pain right now courtesy of at least 2 wisdom teeth that probably half to come out, including one that cracked terribly and the gum has now grown through it, a swollen gum around said tooth that is probably an abcess that needs antibiotics, and what appears to be one cavity that may need some good work. The catch? My dental plan doesn't kick in until Nov 30th. I have an appointment for Dec 1st, but I am not going to make it. I am going to call tomorrow and try and get the least amount of work done right now for the least amount of money. IN other words, just have the dentist do whatever the hell he can at this moment without crushing my wallet. Generally speaking - and I know it varies, but let's give a rough estimate - what would I face in costs for having the two wisdom teeth removed, probably having to do something crazy to the one I mentioned, any shots/gas because I hate dentist pain (sorry guys), and whatever aftercare there is. Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. > Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. Sounds like you are well on your way to being prepared. If it helps, most dental plans truly suck and you are probably not losing much by starting early. Good Luck; Vaughn > > Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Good Luck; > Vaughn Oi, I simply don't have the scratch. Anything more than $500 would crush me. Oh well. >> > Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Oi, I simply don't have the scratch. Anything more than $500 would crush >me. Oh well. At least get diagnosed and some medications if infection is present. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > > Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. > > Sounds like you are well on your way to being prepared. > > If it helps, most dental plans truly suck and you are probably not losing > much by starting early. Let me ask you this... are there any halfway-decent dental plans that I can get on right now that will at least alleviate the damage of the costs? > Good Luck; > Vaughn >> > Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > can > get on right now that will at least alleviate the damage of the costs? No, it's like trying to buy collision insurance for your car after you drove through the garage door. It may look good when you read the handout, but you'll be taken. Call the office, explain your finances and ask for financing options or suggestions. carabelli > >> > Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Call the office, explain your finances and ask for financing options or > suggestions. Well, the issue is, I just found average prices for my work. I am figuring (obviously a layman's estimate, but I think I can tell what is serious and what is not). Just 1 root canal and two extractions will costme over $1,000. This just sucks. > carabelli >> >> > Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >> carabelli tomorrow morning- Call the office, explain your finances and ask for financing options or suggestions. What does this person do when his car suddenly needs $1K of service which is not covered under warranty?  Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >>> >> > Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Call the office, explain your finances and ask for financing options or > suggestions. >What does this person do when his car suddenly needs $1K of service which is >not covered under warranty? ANSWER: Bus or subway ........... of course in Missouri and Kansas they do not have good busses so they MUST reply on the subway. Joel >What does this person do when his car suddenly needs $1K of service which is >not covered under warranty? Takes the bus, rides a bicycle, or walks. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com In my experience, those who cannot afford to fix a tooth, suddenly come up with the money when it means the loss of their "wheels" or when they want to visit Disneyworld. >>What does this person do when his car suddenly needs $1K of service which is >>not covered under warranty? >> >Takes the bus, rides a bicycle, or walks. >In my experience, those who cannot afford to fix a tooth, suddenly >come up with the money when it means the loss of their "wheels" or >when they want to visit Disneyworld. How would fixing a tooth get them their wheels back or a trip to Disney World, come to think of it ...? Do not answer .. this is humor. >>>What does this person do when his car suddenly needs $1K of service which is >>>not covered under warranty? >>> >>Takes the bus, rides a bicycle, or walks. >How would fixing a tooth get them their wheels back or a trip to >Disney World, come to think of it ...? > >Do not answer .. this is humor. Well, *you* may think it is. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >>How would fixing a tooth get them their wheels back or a trip to >>Disney World, come to think of it ...? >> >>Do not answer .. this is humor. >> >Well, *you* may think it is. Good one! You are right .... > In my experience, those who cannot afford to fix a tooth, suddenly > come up with the money when it means the loss of their "wheels" or > when they want to visit Disneyworld. I agree, but, how does one put that concept to the patient delicately? If I told the blunt truth to my patients like that, they'd be getting out of the chair but fast. I usually say a variant of: 'Well, it depends where one decides to spend one's money.... However, Mme Patient, if you decide to just patch this up, I cannot guarantee it for any length of time. If you decide to do it like I feel it should be done, I can stand behind it alot more...' Thanks SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >In my experience, those who cannot afford to fix a tooth, suddenly >come up with the money when it means the loss of their "wheels" or >when they want to visit Disneyworld. Or if the TV goes on the fritz the day before the 'big game'. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >tomorrow morning- >Call the office, explain your finances and ask for financing options or >suggestions. REPLY Yes, financing is kind of standard fare these days but this is one reason why George Bush and John Kerry are both in big trouble. FINANCING always needs to be eventuially paid for, providing one does not file for bankruptcy. In the case of Bush/Kerry, your kids WILL pay, big time. Look at the social security problem. FINANCING works for projects that will appreciate, however for capital expenditures, its a pay-as-you-go proposition. I think pay-as-you-go is also needed in dentistry. Drug prices? Its laughable what the pharmaceutical industry has done to our economy. Joel >Well, the issue is, I just found average prices for my work. I am figuring >(obviously a layman's estimate, but I think I can tell what is serious and >what is not). Just 1 root canal and two extractions will costme over >$1,000. > >This just sucks. REPLY This is my impression also. I believe we dentists need to do something to address thge increasing numbers of people who are in this circumstance. Joel There is plenty of fat in the system ... starting with insurance companies ..... but also including US! >>> > Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >through the garage door. It may look good when you read the handout, but >you'll be taken. Mostly correct. However, I would go to DentalPlans or AmeriPlan and call one dentist and ask first, what the damage will be. The biggest issue for dental care around here is bait-and-switch and there are 616 dentists signed up for plans where the procedures and fees are listed. That means this is very competitive .... .still if you come in fresh off the street, you are going to pay and pay and pay .... Joel >Call the office, explain your finances and ask for financing options or >suggestions. > >carabelli >Mostly correct. However, I would go to DentalPlans or AmeriPlan and >call one dentist and ask first, what the damage will be. > >The biggest issue for dental care around here is bait-and-switch and >there are 616 dentists signed up for plans where the procedures and >fees are listed. Every time I check the list on those plans,,,,, the 616 listed names are repeats of the same name with different addresses and multiple names at the same clinic. The actual number of individual offices which participate is usually closer to 20. >>Mostly correct. However, I would go to DentalPlans or AmeriPlan and >>call one dentist and ask first, what the damage will be. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >are repeats of the same name with different addresses and multiple >names at the same clinic. Exactly correct. I began to think it was really only four dentists ....... >The actual number of individual offices >which participate is usually closer to 20. >OK, I am in brutal pain right now courtesy of at least 2 wisdom teeth that >probably half to come out, including one that cracked terribly and the gum [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >least amount of money. IN other words, just have the dentist do whatever >the hell he can at this moment without crushing my wallet. >Generally speaking - and I know it varies, but let's give a rough estimate - >what would I face in costs for having the two wisdom teeth removed, probably >having to do something crazy to the one I mentioned, any shots/gas because I >hate dentist pain (sorry guys), and whatever aftercare there is. Get temporary care and wait. Otherwise you are in to pay hundreds, maybe more ..... Joel >Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. Go to an emergency room and have the oral surgeon on call extract them. If you have no insurance and no money go to a Community Hospital. These are just your ordinary hospitals(it doesnt say Community Hospital) that the gov't lent money to with the condition that they treat patients with no money either free or for little cost. And make sure the quack pulling the teeth gives you some Dilaudid first for the pain. > OK, I am in brutal pain right now courtesy of at least 2 wisdom teeth that > probably half to come out, including one that cracked terribly and the gum [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. > Go to an emergency room and have the oral surgeon on call extract them. If > you have no insurance and no money go to a Community Hospital. These are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And make sure the quack pulling the teeth gives you some Dilaudid first for > the pain. You are misinformed. Hospitals are supposed to render emergency care regardless of a patient's ability to pay. This does not mean they treat for free or low cost. Quite the contrary, hospitals will generally charge more than in an outpatient situation. They WILL attempt to collect, and this WILL screw up your credit rating if they cannot collect. Many hospitals have no department of dentistry, and will discharge you with a prescription for pain medication and perhaps an antibiotic. Those with active dental departments may be able to treat patients, but the majority are not equipped to treat toothaches efficiently. Dilaudid??? What year is this? Steve >>OK, I am in brutal pain right now courtesy of at least 2 wisdom teeth that >>probably half to come out, including one that cracked terribly and the gum [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >>Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 >> Go to an emergency room and have the oral surgeon on call extract them. If >> you have no insurance and no money go to a Community Hospital. These are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You are misinformed. Hospitals are supposed to render emergency care >regardless of a patient's ability to pay. YUP, a prescription and a bill for $204! Joel >This does not mean they treat >for free or low cost. Quite the contrary, hospitals will generally [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>> >>>Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an oral surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a community hospital. If you have no money you will not receive a bill. If your income is below a certain amount you will receive a reduced bill. BTW, the morphia is for post operative pain. > > Go to an emergency room and have the oral surgeon on call extract them. If > > you have no insurance and no money go to a Community Hospital. These are [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > if they cannot collect. > Many hospitals have no department of dentistry, But most have a surgeon on call for accidents etc. etc. and will discharge you > with a prescription for pain medication and perhaps an antibiotic. > Those with active dental departments may be able to treat patients, but > the majority are not equipped to treat toothaches efficiently. > Dilaudid??? What year is this? You know something better boy wonder? Just get out of school and think you know everything? Or perhaps the drug salesmen have been to your office pushing the latest useless wonder drug for pain and have given you a free vacation to Wally World if you help them push it to patients. > Steve > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >> > >>Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. >I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an oral >surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a community >hospital. STILL doofus advice ... sorry buddy! >If you have no money you will not receive a bill. If your income >is below a certain amount you will receive a reduced bill. BTW, the morphia >is for post operative pain. UnAmerican too! If you do not like this country well then ...... >> > Go to an emergency room and have the oral surgeon on call extract them. >If [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >> >> >> >>Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. > I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an oral > surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a community > hospital. If you have no money you will not receive a bill. If your income > is below a certain amount you will receive a reduced bill. BTW, the morphia > is for post operative pain. I invite anyone believing this clown to call their local hospital and ask what their policy is. Steve >> I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an oral >> surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a community [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I invite anyone believing this clown to call their local hospital and >ask what their policy is. Well, he doesn't say 'call the hospital', he says 'Have an oral surgeon on call..' Depends on the gov't funding of the place, right? AND. Here, the original poster could go to a county clinic and at least get antibiotics for infection and pain meds. These are either free or very low cost walk in clinics. If no dentist there, they can refer him where to go. He could look in his Yellow Pages under "medical clinics" or white pages - county medical clinic - something like that. depends whats available in his location. >Steve >>> I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an oral >>> surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a community [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >least get antibiotics for infection and pain meds. These >are either free or very low cost walk in clinics. WHAT country? Joel >If no dentist there, they can refer him where to go. >He could look in his Yellow Pages under "medical clinics" or >white pages - county medical clinic - something like that. >depends whats available in his location. > >>Steve >> I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an oral >> surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a community [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Steve that would never happen in central maine. I know of no hospitals that have oral surgeons doing that on the other hand, if you have no money, why worry about wizzies unless they are painful and then only extract the involved tooth. Charlie Ruff, DMD Specialist in Orthodontics Diplomate American Board of Orthodontics << I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an oral surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a community hospital. If you have no money you will not receive a bill. If your income is below a certain amount you will receive a reduced bill. BTW, the morphia is for post operative pain. >> This is bullshit. I have no income and the time I went to the emergency room for severe pain from dental problems they sent my a bill for several hundred dollars even though all they did was look in my mouth, write me prescriptions for Penicilin (which I'm allergic to and it said so on my chart, I had to point that out to them), extra strength Ibuprofen, and Tylenol 3s, and referred me to their dental clinic which I was lucky to get into as fast as I did because new patients aren't allowed to make appointments. You have to call the day you want to go and if someone cancels you might get squeezed in. Every time in my life that I have ever gone to the emergency room I've always gotten a bill. I won't go any more. I can't afford expensive emergency room bills. I have an Aunt that is permanently disabled from getting hit by a car and lives on SSI. She has no insurance and even though she has some medical problems she will not go to the emergency room because they charge too much and she won't get Medicaid because when she tried the spend down was more than she was willing/able to pay (I think it was around $70 a month, I would have thought that if it was that high they woud just deny you.). ><< I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an >oral surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a >community hospital. If you have no money you will not receive a bill. This is true. Many dentists get up at 4am just to help out people who have been a little negligent in their dental care. "BILL?" No bill! Today is my birthday and therefore this procedure IS ON ME! Have some cake. > If >your income is below a certain amount you will receive a reduced bill. YUP, its pegged at $200,000. If you are below that you get the eight hundred dollar bill. The others pay more. >BTW, the morphia is for post operative pain. >> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >around $70 a month, I would have thought that if it was that high they >woud just deny you.). >><< I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an >>oral surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a >>community hospital. If you have no money you will not receive a bill. > > This is true. Many dentists get up at 4am just to help out people who > have been a little negligent in their dental care. Oh, Joel, don't blame Xena for this--it's da Shyster. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > << I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an > oral surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > This is bullshit. I have no income and the time I went to the emergency I said a Community Hospital. It may actually be the hospital you're going to. The Federal Gov't lent funds for hospital construction with the condition that these hospitals treat poor patients free or low income persons for a small fee. Look up the law and locations of these hospitals if you're interested. > room for severe pain from dental problems they sent my a bill for > several hundred dollars even though all they did was look in my mouth, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > allowed to make appointments. You have to call the day you want to go > and if someone cancels you might get squeezed in. So do it! Or find another place. > Every time in my life that I have ever gone to the emergency room I've > always gotten a bill. I won't go any more. I can't afford expensive > emergency room bills. Hey listen! I can't take you by the hand like a child, there are some things you have to do for yourself. Like making enquiries. > I have an Aunt that is permanently disabled from getting hit by a car > and lives on SSI. She has no insurance Your aunt is eligible for Medicaid. What Medicaid will cover depends on the State she's living in. If you're living in a very socialistic State it covers just about anything. Including implants! Yes under some conditions implants will be covered. Of course the fees paid to the dentists are low so it would be difficult to find anyone but there's always someone who will do it for the State fee. and even though she has some > medical problems she will not go to the emergency room because they > charge too much and she won't get Medicaid because when she tried the > spend down was more than she was willing/able to pay (I think it was > around $70 a month, I would have thought that if it was that high they > woud just deny you.). >> << I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an >> oral surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > persons for a small fee. Look up the law and locations of these hospitals > if you're interested. Right, then see if there is an oral surgeon taking call rotation. It ain't happening here much anymore. I wouldn't either if I practiced OS. carabelli >Right, then see if there is an oral surgeon taking call rotation. It ain't >happening here much anymore. I wouldn't either if I practiced OS. > >carabelli Only for major facial trauma do they show up. Not for a toothache that has been hurting for a year. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >> << I'll repeat this again since most dentists are a bit thick. Have an >> oral surgeon on call extract the teeth at the emergency room of a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I said a Community Hospital. COMMUNITY HOSPITAL CHIEF: "We have much too much money in our account so let's not charge people this month ....." >It may actually be the hospital you're going >to. The Federal Gov't lent funds for hospital construction with the [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> around $70 a month, I would have thought that if it was that high they >> woud just deny you.). > > Dilaudid??? What year is this? > > You know something better boy wonder? Just get out of school and think you > know everything? Or perhaps the drug salesmen have been to your office > pushing the latest useless wonder drug for pain and have given you a free > vacation to Wally World if you help them push it to patients. Jezzuz, I hope those guys/gals come up to Kannnaaadaa... I wanna take the kids back to Wally World... SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >Go to an emergency room and have the oral surgeon on call extract them. If >you have no insurance and no money go to a Community Hospital. These are >just your ordinary hospitals(it doesnt say Community Hospital) that the >gov't lent money to with the condition that they treat patients with no >money either free or for little cost. HAH! No wonder health care expenses are up 34%! BAD ADVICE. Joel Actually its SHYSTER-ADVICE. >And make sure the quack pulling the teeth gives you some Dilaudid first for >the pain. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Thanks for the vagueness, I just need to prepare. |
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