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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / October 2004Crown question
Is part of the reason crown prices are so high that a crown is expected to last several decades? Thanks! > Is part of the reason crown prices are so high that a crown is expected to last > several decades? > Thanks! No. It's greedy dentists. >> Is part of the reason crown prices are so high that a crown is expected to >last >> several decades? >> Thanks! > >No. It's greedy dentists. I glad you said that. You are losing lots of credibility with dentists ... Joel > Is part of the reason crown prices are so high that a crown is expected to last > several decades? > Thanks! Generally, dentists try and set fees based on not only general overhead, but also on specific expense associated with a procedure and especially time involved. A crown takes me in the neighborhood of 2 hours of chair time for me. Unlike in medicine, where you are likely to get a bill from your internist and a separate bill from the clinical lab for tests, the lab bills the dentist, and this must be figured into the bill. I understand that this is not the case in Canada. Oh, and then there are the greedy dentists....;-) Steve  SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > A crown takes me in the neighborhood of 2 >hours of chair time for me. Man, you be slow. 45 min prep, impr. , temp. 15 min to seat and cement. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> A crown takes me in the neighborhood of 2 >>hours of chair time for me. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >45 min prep, impr. , temp. >15 min to seat and cement. You should hear all the braggarts on DentalTown ... FIVE MINUTES! They claim. FIVE. Joel >>> A crown takes me in the neighborhood of 2 >>>hours of chair time for me. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Joel Anesthesia takes five min. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Only if you take the time to be gentle and safe. ;-) Fawks > Anesthesia takes five min. > -- > > W_B >>A crown takes me in the neighborhood of 2 >>hours of chair time for me. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > W_B I talk a lot. Steve > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 Plus two weeks of sitting around waiting for the crown to come from the lab. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> A crown takes me in the neighborhood of 2 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Take out the G'RBAGE > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Plus two weeks of sitting around waiting for the crown to come from the lab. I have a one week turn around. I'm sitting around, you know, posting here. Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 I post here while I wait the 12-16 minutes for the crown to mill. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> Plus two weeks of sitting around waiting for the crown to come from the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve > I post here while I wait the 12-16 minutes for the crown to mill. My patient just blew off her appointment. What's yer Cerec gonna do about that problem, huh? Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 Happens to all of us. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... >> I post here while I wait the 12-16 minutes for the crown to mill. > > My patient just blew off her appointment. What's yer Cerec gonna do about > that problem, huh? > > Steve This is the case in Canada, the lab bills the dentist who subsequently bills the patient. SignatureRoy DotSeaEh is .ca the lab | bills the dentist, and this must be figured into the bill. I understand | that this is not the case in Canada. > This is the case in Canada, the lab bills the dentist who subsequently bills > the patient. Thanks for the correction--I thought I had heard otherwise. Is the lab bill broken out as a part of the total fee? Steve SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 I wish they would allow that here. The labs would probably get paid faster from the insurance carrier than from the dental offices, the patient would stop wondering what secret portion of the bill goes to the lab, and the incentive to use Indonesian labs would end. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > >> This is the case in Canada, the lab bills the dentist who subsequently [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve It is usually listed separately as part of the total fee. Copies of invoices go with the insurance. Makes it difficult to bump up the off shore lab bills. SignatureRoy DotSeaEh is .ca | > This is the case in Canada, the lab bills the dentist who subsequently bills | > the patient. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | | Steve > It is usually listed separately as part of the total fee. Copies of invoices > go with the insurance. Makes it difficult to bump up the off shore lab > bills. ;-)!! Steve When I bill for a crown, part of the fee is to cover costs that I will incur on *some* of the crowns for remakes. If a crown that I make fails early in it's service, I remake the crown without further charge to the patient. Usually, it isn't directly 'my fault', but try and explain that to a patient. I cut the prep. I took the impression. I chose the lab. I cemented the crown. If each patient were taking all of the risks, there would be many that would not take a chance on the crown in the first place. JMO, Fawks >> Is part of the reason crown prices are so high that a crown is >> expected to last [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Steve > Unlike in medicine, where you are likely to get a bill from your > internist and a separate bill from the clinical lab for tests, the lab > bills the dentist, and this must be figured into the bill. I understand > that this is not the case in Canada. No, the lab bills the patient in beaver and fox pelts... ;-) Yes, SB, it's the same here as there... at least in Quebec it is... SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet Well, I never got paid with Beaver - when I worked in the lab. No wonder the owner always wore a silly grin. SignatureRoy DotSeaEh is .ca | No, the lab bills the patient in beaver and fox pelts... ;-) Yes, SB, | it's the same here as there... at least in Quebec it is... | SP > Well, I never got paid with Beaver - when I worked in the lab. No wonder > the > owner always wore a silly grin. I thought this was a PG newsgroup. carabelli | > Well, I never got paid with Beaver - when I worked in the lab. No wonder | > the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | | carabelli I don't recall Procter & Gamble having anything to do with this newsgroup, or any other manufacturers for that sake. SignatureRoy DotSeaEh is .ca >| > Well, I never got paid with Beaver - when I worked in the lab. No wonder >| > the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I don't recall Procter & Gamble having anything to do with this newsgroup, >or any other manufacturers for that sake. Good one ! -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> Well, I never got paid with Beaver - when I worked in the lab. No wonder >> the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >carabelli It is a Pretty Good newsgroup ! -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Well, I never got paid with Beaver - when I worked in the lab. No wonder the > owner always wore a silly grin. Snappy come-back: 8.5/10 cheeahs SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet I guess you got stuck with the fox pelts. >Well, I never got paid with Beaver - when I worked in the lab. No wonder the >owner always wore a silly grin. > >| No, the lab bills the patient in beaver and fox pelts... ;-) Yes, SB, >| it's the same here as there... at least in Quebec it is... >| SP -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >> Unlike in medicine, where you are likely to get a bill from your >> internist and a separate bill from the clinical lab for tests, the lab [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >it's the same here as there... at least in Quebec it is... >SP As Dr. Steve might say, "What's a fox pelt?" Who gets pelted too ...? > >> Unlike in medicine, where you are likely to get a bill from your > >> internist and a separate bill from the clinical lab for tests, the lab [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Who gets pelted too ...? I'm takin' REAL animal pelts here, like the ones Kanuks are supposed to be famous for.... The Hudson's Bay Company became one of the largest in NA dealing in fur pelts with the 'Indians' and later setting up their own operations. This all happened way back when the colonies were young (like last year, ya know?....) SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >> >> Unlike in medicine, where you are likely to get a bill from your >> >> internist and a separate bill from the clinical lab for tests, the lab [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >NA dealing in fur pelts with the 'Indians' and later setting up their >own operations. I been up there and most of the Indians are now running 7-Eleven shops ,,,,,,,, Now the Canadians, they are doing most of their hunting at Tim Horton's place .... for honey-glazed ones like that. >This all happened way back when the colonies were young (like last year, >ya know?....) >SP > >I'm takin' REAL animal pelts here, like the ones Kanuks are supposed to > >be famous for.... The Hudson's Bay Company became one of the largest in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Now the Canadians, they are doing most of their hunting at Tim > Horton's place .... for honey-glazed ones like that. Yeah.... We're an obese nation. It's shameful. Maybe we should be more like those.... um..... _healthy but STOUT_ US of Aians that I saw all over DisneyWorld this past summer.... ;-) You know.... they're sittin' in those 'lectric carts steerin' with one hand and eatin' those HUGE turkey drumsticks with the other one... Cheeahs SP SignatureNot a real Addy, yet >No, the lab bills the patient in beaver and fox pelts... So which do you prefer ? Some beaver, or fox pelts ? -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com |
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