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Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place

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Jan - 29 Sep 2004 06:25 GMT
Why We Use No Mercury
in the Fillings We Place:

Composite resin fillings contain no mercury. They are bonded to the tooth
and therefore help prevent fractures of teeth. Amalgam (silver) fillings
expand and contract differently than tooth structure, and crack and break
the teeth they're in.

Composite fillings can be contoured to the exact bite, are readily
repairable, and look absolutely fantastic! On the downside, they are much
more time consuming to place, and so are more expensive, and some insurance
companies do not pay well for them.

Did you know that the silver fillings in your teeth contains more than 50%
of the toxic element, Mercury? The argument rages as to whether that mercury
is bound, and therefore inert, or actively liberated as mercury vapor which
can then be absorbed into body tissues throughout the life of the filling.
Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many modern
alternatives that can be considered.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

The known effects of mercury toxicity include deterioration of the immune
system, the neurologic system, and the reproductive system. While I do not
profess to be an expert on the scientific evidence which I have become
familiar with, I made a choice many years ago, after having read a
scientific article which indicated there was suppression in the immune
system of monkeys in the experimental group (which had recently undergone
amalgam filling placement), while the control group remained normal. The
American Dental Association's response was to state that "this research was
done on monkeys not humans, and therefore has no relevance." At that point,
I asked myself what the American Dental Associations was trying to cover-up?

Many dentists who have read this page have asked me why I suspected a
cover-up? It is incongruous to me that the American Dental Association tells
us that mercury-amalgam is safe in our patient's mouths, that once the
silver and mercury have hardened, there is no significant mercury vapor
liberated from the filling. In the same breath, they ask us to store all
unused amalgam in a sealed glass jar, with the scrap metals underwater. So
that makes two places amalgam is safe, in your mouth, and
underwater...sealed jar! Is it any wonder that Scandinavia and Germany, and
most recently Canada have curtailed or banned the use of amalgam? They
provide no scientific research to verify this, other than the Public Health
Service study done earlier in this decade. They fail to state that this
study on the safety of mercury indicated that further research was necessary
before any conclusions could be reached.

In July 2000, a Maryland judge opened the door for all dentists to be able
to fairly discuss the fact that silver fillings are really mercury fillings
(50% by make up) by blocking the Maryland Dental Board from gagging dentists
who discuss the risks of mercury. Dentists around the nation have been
blocked and sanctioned by their state boards, and the ADA from explaining
the risks of mercury fillings. (read more = click here) Several years ago,
in an advertisement, I wrote "we do not use the toxic substance mercury in
any of the fillings we place." The NJ State Board of Dentistry fined me
$500 for false and misleading advertising. When I provided them with a copy
of the NJ Environmental Protection Agency's treatise on the subject of
mercury toxicity, they backed down.

What is the ADA trying to cover up? I can only guess that they have been
endorsing the safety of mercury amalgam for so long, that a reversal of
position would create widespread fear in the public eye, and reversal of
trust with the profession. The inexorable fact remains that many foreign
governments' regulatory agencies have banned the use of amalgam all
together, or in pregnant women and children under the age of 18.

How we contain the environmental risks
With that evidence present, I have chosen to be extremely careful, not just
in placing amalgam in patients mouths, but in the removal of old amalgam
fillings I am proud to announce that our new office is now equipped with
special filters that remove mercury waste from our drain lines, before it
can get into the sewer system (and the environment). We are one of only two
offices in NJ that are taking this extra step to protect the environment,
and to put our money where our mouth is. It costs us substantially extra
each month to do this, and therefore other practices will be slow to jump on
this bandwagon, and, surprisingly, there are no regulations requiring
dentists in the US to trap mercury from waste water. There are, however,
over 50,000 such installations in Europe (many of which were mandated by
governments).
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Links to Internet Sites which will help explain
why we use no Mercury-Amalgam in our Practice
The Australian perspective. Restrictions on the use of Mercury Amalgam in
Canada - the Health Canada Report
The British perspective Deleted
Mercury / Amalgam FAQ's Mercury Amalgam Safety
Bioprobe - links for people with Multiple Sclerosis and link between heart
disease and mercury. American Dental Association Please pay special
attention to the extensive list of references on their web site!
U. of NH researcher dies of mercury exposure Recently, the Journal of the
New Jersey Dental Association reported that they had proof that amalgam is
safe.
JWN DDS - 29 Sep 2004 08:51 GMT
> Why We Use No Mercury
> in the Fillings We Place:

Hygienists are placing fillings now?  What is this world coming to?
John Chewter - 29 Sep 2004 11:44 GMT
>Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many modern
alternatives that can be considered.

Water is more than 400 Billion Years old - what alternative should we
consider?

>> Why We Use No Mercury
>> in the Fillings We Place:
>
> Hygienists are placing fillings now?  What is this world coming to?
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 13:46 GMT
>>Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many modern
>alternatives that can be considered.
>
>Water is more than 400 Billion Years old - what alternative should we
>consider?

Ahahhhh, that explains the taste!

Thanks,

Joel

>>> Why We Use No Mercury
>>> in the Fillings We Place:
>>
>> Hygienists are placing fillings now?  What is this world coming to?
Steven Bornfeld - 29 Sep 2004 13:51 GMT
>>Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many modern
>
> alternatives that can be considered.
>
> Water is more than 400 Billion Years old - what alternative should we
> consider?

Gatorade?

Steve

>>>Why We Use No Mercury
>>>in the Fillings We Place:
>>
>>Hygienists are placing fillings now?  What is this world coming to?
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 15:52 GMT
>>>Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many modern
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Gatorade?

Gators are 400 Billion years old too ,, ,wait, that's dinosaurs
.......

>Steve
>
>>>>Why We Use No Mercury
>>>>in the Fillings We Place:
>>>
>>>Hygienists are placing fillings now?  What is this world coming to?
Happy Oyster - 29 Sep 2004 17:57 GMT
>>> Water is more than 400 Billion Years old - what alternative should we
>>> consider?
>>
>>Gatorade?
>
>Gators are 400 Billion years old too ,, ,wait, that's dinosaurs

No. That is at least 8 universes.

Reminds me of the old story about the physics professor, who was
feared by his students because of his very tough questions. But it was
said, that he would not ask many questions - perhaps only two :

   Explain the universe. Give two examples.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
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Jan - 29 Sep 2004 16:21 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>From: Steven Bornfeld dentaltwinnospam@earthlink.net
>Date: 9/29/2004 7:51 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <415AAFB5.60307@earthlink.net>

>>Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many modern
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>>
>>>Hygienists are placing fillings now?  What is this world coming to?

All jokes are noted.

It is not a joking matter.

Jan

Why We Use No Mercury
in the Fillings We Place:

Composite resin fillings contain no mercury. They are bonded to the tooth
and therefore help prevent fractures of teeth. Amalgam (silver) fillings
expand and contract differently than tooth structure, and crack and break
the teeth they're in.

Composite fillings can be contoured to the exact bite, are readily
repairable, and look absolutely fantastic! On the downside, they are much
more time consuming to place, and so are more expensive, and some insurance
companies do not pay well for them.

Did you know that the silver fillings in your teeth contains more than 50%
of the toxic element, Mercury? The argument rages as to whether that mercury
is bound, and therefore inert, or actively liberated as mercury vapor which
can then be absorbed into body tissues throughout the life of the filling.
Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many modern
alternatives that can be considered.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

The known effects of mercury toxicity include deterioration of the immune
system, the neurologic system, and the reproductive system. While I do not
profess to be an expert on the scientific evidence which I have become
familiar with, I made a choice many years ago, after having read a
scientific article which indicated there was suppression in the immune
system of monkeys in the experimental group (which had recently undergone
amalgam filling placement), while the control group remained normal. The
American Dental Association's response was to state that "this research was
done on monkeys not humans, and therefore has no relevance." At that point,
I asked myself what the American Dental Associations was trying to cover-up?

Many dentists who have read this page have asked me why I suspected a
cover-up? It is incongruous to me that the American Dental Association tells
us that mercury-amalgam is safe in our patient's mouths, that once the
silver and mercury have hardened, there is no significant mercury vapor
liberated from the filling. In the same breath, they ask us to store all
unused amalgam in a sealed glass jar, with the scrap metals underwater. So
that makes two places amalgam is safe, in your mouth, and
underwater...sealed jar! Is it any wonder that Scandinavia and Germany, and
most recently Canada have curtailed or banned the use of amalgam? They
provide no scientific research to verify this, other than the Public Health
Service study done earlier in this decade. They fail to state that this
study on the safety of mercury indicated that further research was necessary
before any conclusions could be reached.

In July 2000, a Maryland judge opened the door for all dentists to be able
to fairly discuss the fact that silver fillings are really mercury fillings
(50% by make up) by blocking the Maryland Dental Board from gagging dentists
who discuss the risks of mercury. Dentists around the nation have been
blocked and sanctioned by their state boards, and the ADA from explaining
the risks of mercury fillings. (read more = click here) Several years ago,
in an advertisement, I wrote "we do not use the toxic substance mercury in
any of the fillings we place." The NJ State Board of Dentistry fined me
$500 for false and misleading advertising. When I provided them with a copy
of the NJ Environmental Protection Agency's treatise on the subject of
mercury toxicity, they backed down.

What is the ADA trying to cover up? I can only guess that they have been
endorsing the safety of mercury amalgam for so long, that a reversal of
position would create widespread fear in the public eye, and reversal of
trust with the profession. The inexorable fact remains that many foreign
governments' regulatory agencies have banned the use of amalgam all
together, or in pregnant women and children under the age of 18.

How we contain the environmental risks
With that evidence present, I have chosen to be extremely careful, not just
in placing amalgam in patients mouths, but in the removal of old amalgam
fillings I am proud to announce that our new office is now equipped with
special filters that remove mercury waste from our drain lines, before it
can get into the sewer system (and the environment). We are one of only two
offices in NJ that are taking this extra step to protect the environment,
and to put our money where our mouth is. It costs us substantially extra
each month to do this, and therefore other practices will be slow to jump on
this bandwagon, and, surprisingly, there are no regulations requiring
dentists in the US to trap mercury from waste water. There are, however,
over 50,000 such installations in Europe (many of which were mandated by
governments).
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----

Links to Internet Sites which will help explain
why we use no Mercury-Amalgam in our Practice
The Australian perspective. Restrictions on the use of Mercury Amalgam in
Canada - the Health Canada Report
The British perspective Deleted
Mercury / Amalgam FAQ's Mercury Amalgam Safety
Bioprobe - links for people with Multiple Sclerosis and link between heart
disease and mercury. American Dental Association Please pay special
attention to the extensive list of references on their web site!
U. of NH researcher dies of mercury exposure Recently, the Journal of the
New Jersey Dental Association reported that they had proof that amalgam is
safe.
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 17:55 GMT
>All jokes are noted.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Why We Use No Mercury
>in the Fillings We Place:

NOTED AND DELETED!

Joel
Jan - 29 Sep 2004 16:18 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Water

Is not the subject.
John Chewter - 29 Sep 2004 17:38 GMT
And because its 150 years old is no reason to change it.

> >Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Is not the subject.
Jan - 30 Sep 2004 02:12 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk
>Date: 9/29/2004 11:38 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <cjeof1$ql2$1@hercules.btinternet.com>
>
>And because its 150 years old is no reason to change it.

http://www.yourhealthbase.com/amalgams.html

eer of the Realm questions use of amalgam fillings
LONDON, ENGLAND. Lord Baldwin, joint chairman of the British Parliamentary
Group for Alternative and Complementary Medicine, is questioning the safety of
amalgam dental fillings. In a letter published in the British Medical Journal
Lord Baldwin asserts that it is up to the dental profession to prove that
amalgam fillings are safe and, in Lord Baldwin's opinion, this they have not
done. To point to the fact that amalgam fillings have been used for a hundred
years is not a proof of safety anymore than it is to claim that tobacco smoking
must be safe because people have been doing it for a long time, says Lord
Baldwin.
Baldwin, E.A.A. Controlled trials of dental amalgam are needed. British Medical
Journal, Vol. 309, October 29, 1994, p. 1161
Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 11:09 GMT
>Lord Baldwin asserts that it is up to the dental profession to prove that
>amalgam fillings are safe and, in Lord Baldwin's opinion, this they have not
>done.

JanHumor above .......
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 17:55 GMT
>>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Is not the subject.

About as harmful as mercury in fillings ......
Happy Oyster - 29 Sep 2004 18:00 GMT
>>Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many modern
>alternatives that can be considered.
>
>Water is more than 400 Billion Years old - what alternative should we
>consider?

Dear Mr. Chewter,

I disagree.

a) The whole universe exists for about 13.5 billion years since the
  big bang.

b) Water is an essential ingredient of the human body. Mercury is
  NOWHERE part of a living body or its metabolism.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
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John Chewter - 29 Sep 2004 17:39 GMT
It is a natural part of Tuna fish's body.

>>>Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many
>>>modern
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Aribert Deckers
Jan - 30 Sep 2004 02:25 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk
>Date: 9/29/2004 11:39 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <cjeogq$4nd$1@sparta.btinternet.com>
>
>It is a natural part of Tuna fish's body.

The warnings are clear.

Get updated.
Happy Oyster - 03 Oct 2004 23:25 GMT
>It is a natural part of Tuna fish's body.

Part : yes. Natural : no.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers
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John Chewter - 04 Oct 2004 14:06 GMT
Not what I read.

>>It is a natural part of Tuna fish's body.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Aribert Deckers
John Chewter - 29 Sep 2004 17:52 GMT
Ok I was wrong about age of (this) universe

"In a study published today in the journal Science, a team of researchers
says the universe is between 11.2 billion and 20 billion years old." January
2003

Another source gave it as 4004 BCE (if the word of God is anything to go by)

Anyway I estimate that based on reasonable assumptions,  it has it may have
been around for at least 151 years.

Because its has been around does for a while does not infer that anything
newer is better.

My house is made of brick - a technology millennia old - it still works.

I tried replacing the water in my blood plasma with ethylene alcohol. Well
at least I didn't freeze at 0 deg C

>>>Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many
>>>modern
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Aribert Deckers
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 18:13 GMT
>Ok I was wrong about age of (this) universe
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Another source gave it as 4004 BCE (if the word of God is anything to go by)

*******************************************************

BISHOP USSHER DATES THE WORLD: 4004 BC
James Ussher (1581-1656), Archbishop of Armagh, Primate of All
Ireland, and Vice-Chancellor of Trinity College in Dublin was highly
regarded in his day as a churchman and as a scholar. Of his many
works, his treatise on chronology has proved the most durable. Based
on an intricate correlation of Middle Eastern and Mediterranean
histories and Holy writ, it was incorporated into an authorized
version of the Bible printed in 1701, and thus came to be regarded
with almost as much unquestioning reverence as the Bible itself.
Having established the first day of creation as Sunday 23 October 4004
BC, by the arguments set forth in the passage below, Ussher calculated
the dates of other biblical events, concluding, for example, that Adam
and Eve were driven from Paradise on Monday 10 November 4004 BC, and
that the ark touched down on Mt Ararat on 5 May 2348 BC `on a
Wednesday'.

— Craig, G. Y. and E. J. Jones. A Geological Miscellany. Princeton
University Press, 1982.
Ussher's spellings have been faithfully kept in the following excerpt.
AE is a ligature.
For as much as our Christian epoch falls many ages after the beginning
of the world, and the number of years before that backward is not only
more troublesome, but (unless greater care be taken) more lyable to
errour; also it hath pleased our modern chronologers, to adde to that
generally received hypothesis (which asserted the Julian years, with
their three cycles by a certain mathematical prolepsis, to have run
down to the very beginning of the world) an artificial epoch, framed
out of three cycles multiplied in themselves; for the Solar Cicle
being multiplied by the Lunar, or the number of 28 by 19, produces the
great Paschal Cycle of 532 years, and that again multiplied by
fifteen, the number of the indiction, there arises the period of 7980
years, which was first (if I mistake not) observed by Robert
Lotharing, Bishop of Hereford, in our island of Britain, and 500 years
after by Joseph Scaliger fitted for chronological uses, and called by
the name of the Julian Period, because it conteined a cycle of so many
Julian years. Now if the series of the three minor cicles be from this
present year extended backward unto precedent times, the 4713 years
before the beginning of our Christian account will be found to be that
year into which the first year of the indiction, the first of the
Lunar Cicle, and the first of the Solar will fall. Having placed there
fore the heads of this period in the kalends of January in that
proleptick year, the first of our Christian vulgar account must be
reckoned the 4714 of the Julian Period, which, being divided by 15.
19. 28. will present us with the 4 Roman indiction, the 2 Lunar Cycle,
and the 10 Solar, which are the principal characters of that year.

We find moreover that the year of our fore-fathers, and the years of
the ancient Egyptians and Hebrews were of the same quantity with the
Julian, consisting of twelve equal moneths, every of them conteining
30 days, (for it cannot be proved that the Hebrews did use lunary
moneths before the Babylonian Captivity) adjoying to the end of the
twelfth moneth, the addition of five dayes, and every four year six.
And I have observed by the continued succession of these years, as
they are delivered in holy writ, that the end of the great
Nebuchadnezars and the beginning of Evilmerodachs (his sons) reign,
fell out in the 3442 year of the world, but by collation of Chaldean
history and the astronomical cannon, it fell out in the 186 year c
Nabonasar, and, as by certain connexion, it must follow in the 562
year before the Christian account, and of the Julian Period, the 4152.
and from thence I gathered the creation of the world did fall out upon
the 710 year of the Julian Period, by placing its beginning in autumn:
but for as much as the first day of the world began with the evening
of the first day of the week, I have observed that the Sunday, which
in the year 710 aforesaid came nearest the Autumnal AEquinox, by
astronomical tables (notwithstanding the stay of the sun in the dayes
of Joshua, and the going back of it in the dayes c Ezekiah) happened
upon the 23 day of the Julian October; from thence concluded that from
the evening preceding that first day of the Julian year, both the
first day of the creation and the first motion of time are to be
deduced.

— J. Ussher, The Annals of the World iv (1658)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The above excerpt makes no mention of the time of day at which
creation occurred. In popular references one often finds it given as 9
A.M., and this is wrongly attributed to Ussher. The following excerpt
from Andrew D. White's book A History of the Warfare of Science with
Theology in Christendom (D. Appleton and Co., 1897, p. 9) identifies
the culprit as Sir John Lightfoot:

...the general conclusion arrived at by an overwhelming majority of
the most competent students of the biblical accounts was that the date
of creation was, in round numbers, four thousand years before our era;
and in the seventeenth century, in his great work, Dr. John Lightfoot,
Vice-Chancellor of the University of Cambridge, and one of the most
eminent Hebrew scholars of his time, declared, as the result of his
most profound and exhaustive study of the Scriptures, that "heaven and
earth, centre and circumference, were created all together, in the
same instant, and clouds full of water," and that "this work took
place and man was created by the Trinity on October 23, 4004 B.C., at
nine o'clock in the morning."
John Lightfoot (1602-1675), Vice-Chancellor of Cambridge University
was a contemporary of Ussher. Lightfoot published his calculations in
1644, before Ussher's were completed.
For a more complete account, and a picture of Bishop Ussher, see: From
Ussher to Slusher, from Archbish to Gish: or not in a million
years..." by Colin Groves. This chapter is from his Archaeology in
Oceania 31 (1996) 145-151.

Return to Donald Simanek's page.
Advocate147 - 30 Sep 2004 13:02 GMT
The age of the universe is between ll.2 billion and 20 billion years old.
Another source gave it as 4004 BCE (if the word of G-d is anything to go by)

A good one to ponder on forever.
Dinosaurs predated the bible, did they not.
And there is proof they existed?They are in the Field Museum here.   And their
eras of existence is completely nonunderstandable.    and what about the
pictures of man holding a big stick and looking like an animal.   When was he
and was he ever?
Absolute proof is as evasive as crohns illness and just as mysterious.
But crohns is a more urgent matter.

Gail

Gail
Advocate147 - 30 Sep 2004 13:10 GMT
To go a little further, the universe.   Science vs. the bible and miracles
therein.
So science cannot always explain everything.   Therefore this does not rule out
my theory on crohns as unscientific.   Miracles, good and bad do happen, if one
can believe the bible.
The crohns dilemna does not belong here, and it belongs everywhere.  
(Everywhere I write).

Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 16:19 GMT
>To go a little further, the universe.   Science vs. the bible and miracles
>therein.

Surprisingly, I am awestruck by the conceptual basis of creation as
described in Genesis ....... compared with the latest Big Bang theory
........

Sure there are errors, but conceptually, no one could have simply
guessed and got it so correct.

Joel

>So science cannot always explain everything.   Therefore this does not rule out
>my theory on crohns as unscientific.   Miracles, good and bad do happen, if one
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 16:16 GMT
>The age of the universe is between ll.2 billion and 20 billion years old.
>Another source gave it as 4004 BCE (if the word of G-d is anything to go by)

Around 16.8 billion if PBS was correct last evening .......

GREAT show on cosmology .........

(not cosmetology .. that is what we dentists do).

Joel

>A good one to ponder on forever.
>Dinosaurs predated the bible, did they not.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 16:18 GMT
>The age of the universe is between ll.2 billion and 20 billion years old.
>Another source gave it as 4004 BCE (if the word of G-d is anything to go by)
>
>A good one to ponder on forever.
>Dinosaurs predated the bible, did they not.

By 20 to thirty years .......

>And there is proof they existed?They are in the Field Museum here.

Nah, its God foolin' witchya.

So I am told .......

He plants dinosaur bones to trick you.

>  And their
>eras of existence is completely nonunderstandable.    and what about the
>pictures of man holding a big stick and looking like an animal.   When was he
>and was he ever?
>Absolute proof is as evasive as crohns illness and just as mysterious.
>But crohns is a more urgent matter.

What does God say about Crohn's ......?

Joel

>Gail
>
>Gail
Advocate147 - 01 Oct 2004 01:41 GMT
G-d is pretty silent on the subject of crohns.    HE planted it mysteriously,
if he  did and said, no one shall figure this one out, and it is a good
mechanism to curtail the population without anyone being the wiser.
I am a little deaf, but this I heard loud and clear.   It is the stimulants
that do the damage and everyone loves stimulants so what better choice could be
had.
And gail is the chosen one to know this, and what better choice could he have
to have the theory ignored.
Well if there is an answer to this, it will remain a secret until the science
talk is given up.   Like in the bible, it has to be taken on faith.     Any
believers.  still waiting.

Gail
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 18:13 GMT
So amalgam came out in year 1 ???

> it has it may have
>been around for at least 151 years.
carabelli - 29 Sep 2004 19:05 GMT
> Ok I was wrong about age of (this) universe
>
> "In a study published today in the journal Science, a team of researchers
> says the universe is between 11.2 billion and 20 billion years old."
.............

Ask Joel, he was in high school then.

carabelli
John Chewter - 29 Sep 2004 19:26 GMT
It was spooky that Jesus was born on Xmas day wasn't it?

>> Ok I was wrong about age of (this) universe
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> carabelli
Dr Steve - 29 Sep 2004 19:42 GMT
I thought some scholars argued the event actually occurred in June?

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John Chewter - 29 Sep 2004 20:57 GMT
Wow - its so cool to Not be born on your birthday! Heh!

>I thought some scholars argued the event actually occurred in June?
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Dr Steve - 30 Sep 2004 12:01 GMT
Many scholars say December was chosen early on as a marketing effort.
[Chanukah]

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> Wow - its so cool to Not be born on your birthday! Heh!
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John Chewter - 30 Sep 2004 14:04 GMT
I am surprised because the shops are so busy in December.........

> Many scholars say December was chosen early on as a marketing effort.
> [Chanukah]
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Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 16:22 GMT
>I am surprised because the shops are so busy in December.........

Has to do with Christmas .... I believe ......

>> Many scholars say December was chosen early on as a marketing effort.
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Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 16:22 GMT
>Many scholars say December was chosen early on as a marketing effort.
>[Chanukah]

I agree with the former but what is the (Chanukah) at the end?

People of the Jewish faith do not exchange presents or anything like
that ,,,,,,,,,,
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 30 Sep 2004 17:14 GMT
>>Many scholars say December was chosen early on as a marketing effort.
>>[Chanukah]
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> People of the Jewish faith do not exchange presents or anything like
> that ,,,,,,,,,,

    Is that what you told your sons when they were little?

Steve

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Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 17:29 GMT
>>>Many scholars say December was chosen early on as a marketing effort.
>>>[Chanukah]
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>Steve

NO I did exchange presents, eight of them, but Chanukah is a very
minor Holy Day ......

Very much so ......

In fact, the entire idea of slaying someone for their religious
precepts as Mattathias did goes against everything I stand for .....
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 30 Sep 2004 19:03 GMT
>>>>Many scholars say December was chosen early on as a marketing effort.
>>>>[Chanukah]
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> In fact, the entire idea of slaying someone for their religious
> precepts as Mattathias did goes against everything I stand for .....

    What about that high-efficiency oil lamp?  Couldn't we use some of that
stuff today?

Steve

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Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 19:49 GMT
>>>>>Many scholars say December was chosen early on as a marketing effort.
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>Steve

Good one!

I envision a modern day parable would include "we thought the parking
meter would expire after one hour, but lo! and behold! It lasted EIGHT
hours ...... until we got done with our shopping!"

Joel
W_B - 01 Oct 2004 21:02 GMT
>Many scholars say December was chosen early on as a marketing effort.
>[Chanukah]

Didn't think that you were that jaded.

News to me.

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Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 22:06 GMT
>I thought some scholars argued the event actually occurred in June?

I think it did.

PS- I was not in high school then.

Joel
W_B - 29 Sep 2004 21:42 GMT
>> Ok I was wrong about age of (this) universe
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>carabelli

No, it was element-ary school.
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Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 22:05 GMT
>> Ok I was wrong about age of (this) universe
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>carabelli

Do not laugh. I was in high school when they launched Sputnik!
Jan - 30 Sep 2004 02:29 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk
>Date: 9/29/2004 11:52 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <cjep8n$d4v$1@titan.btinternet.com>

>Anyway I estimate that based on reasonable assumptions,  it has it may have
>been around for at least 151 years.
>
>Because its has been around does for a while does not infer that anything
>newer is better.

It never should have been used period.

http://www.wholisticresearch.com/info/artshow.php3?artid=20

The Mercury Papers
by Stephen Macallan, MBAcC, MAMH

(The Most Expensive Medical Mistake in The History of The World)

The History of Mercury Amalgam

In the early 1800s French dentists successfully (sic) mixed mercury with other
metals and plugged the mixture into cavities in teeth. These early mixtures
contained relatively small amounts of mercury and required heat to enable the
metals to bind together. In 1819 Benjamin Bell in England developed an amalgam
mix with much
more mercury in it that enabled the metals to bind at room temperature. Back in
France in 1826 Taveau produced a similar formulation and then in the 1830's the
amalgam concept was introduced in America. Many American dentists denounced
amalgam use on account of the toxic nature of mercury and when the American
Society of Dental Surgeons was formed in 1840 its' members were required to
sign a pledge never to use mercury amalgam on account of its great toxicity.
The pledge
was abandoned within five years! (Curious historical note No1. Quick silver is
a common name for mercury, both here and in Germany, and the 'quick' in German
is pronounced quack, thus amalgam-using dentists became known as quacks - a
term
which has come to mean an inept and fraudulent medic - perhaps amalgam-using
dentists should still be called quacks).

In 1848 the Society found 11 of its' members guilty of "..malpractice...for
using amalgam.." and suspended them. The arguments raged on, then, as now,
until finally the god won - money that is, and the A.S.D.S. dissolved in chaos
in 1856. There was a lot of profit in amalgam fillings, cheap to make and easy
to use, compared with gold, expensive and technically more difficult. The
American Dental Association took its' place and cunningly, did not take a stand
on the amalgam issue, allowing market forces to prevail until about 1895. The
Encyclopaedia Britannica reports "that amalgams were not altogether in good
repute until after 1895", by which time the A.D.A. was supporting the use of
amalgam.
Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 11:10 GMT
>It never should have been used period.

There you have it ,,, Lord Baldwin, Dr. Schimmelweiss, and Jan all
agree .......
ChuckMSRD - 30 Sep 2004 10:41 GMT
>Water is more than 400 Billion Years old - what alternative should we
>consider?

H2O is an essemtial nutrient. Amalgam, I dont think so!

Chuck
John Chewter - 30 Sep 2004 12:27 GMT
I see irony is still lost on Americans ;)

> >Water is more than 400 Billion Years old - what alternative should we
>>consider?
>
> H2O is an essemtial nutrient. Amalgam, I dont think so!
>
> Chuck
Jan - 01 Oct 2004 06:41 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk
>Date: 9/30/2004 6:27 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <cjgqim$914$1@hercules.btinternet.com>
>
>I see irony is still lost on Americans ;)

Always an excuse, comlete stupid diversion, so you don't have to face facts.
John Chewter - 01 Oct 2004 11:16 GMT
You just did it again :D

> >Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk
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> Always an excuse, comlete stupid diversion, so you don't have to face
> facts.
Joel M. Eichen - 01 Oct 2004 13:20 GMT
>>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Always an excuse, comlete stupid diversion, so you don't have to face facts.

Jan, stop taking Vioxx. The warning came out yesterday.

The REAL warning that is, not the fake amalgam warning that you guys
put out in 1997.

Joel
W_B - 01 Oct 2004 21:16 GMT
>I see irony is still lost on Americans ;)

Not all of us.

How dare you group me within the masses !?!?

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W_B - 01 Oct 2004 16:54 GMT
>>Water is more than 400 Billion Years old - what alternative should we
>>consider?
>
>H2O is an essemtial nutrient. Amalgam, I dont think so!
>
>Chuck

What does "essemtial" mean ?

Is that in your new "Hatfield & McCoy's Redneck Dictionary" ?
"Words you need to git-'er-done."

Chuck(msrp) you truly are a world-class fool.
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Jan - 01 Oct 2004 21:07 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net

<snip>

>Chuck(msrp) you truly are a world-class fool.

Personal attacking of people who have had mercury poisoning.
John Chewter - 01 Oct 2004 22:22 GMT
Do you ever read the posts before replying?

> >Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net
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>
> Personal attacking of people who have had mercury poisoning.
Joel M. Eichen - 01 Oct 2004 23:11 GMT
>>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>>From: W_B no_one@nowhere.net
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>
>Personal attacking of people who have had mercury poisoning.

The warning is out for Vioxx. The Break Dancing crowd in Florida uses
tons of Vioxx. It is 25 mg or 25,000 micrograms per pill.

Mercury fillings are 27 micrograms ..... per tooth.
ChuckMSRD - 02 Oct 2004 13:06 GMT
>Chuck(msrp) you truly are a world-class fool.
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>
>W_B

Who RU the spelling police? f.ck You WB!
W_B - 02 Oct 2004 19:16 GMT
>>Chuck(msrp) you truly are a world-class fool.
>>--
>>
>>W_B
>
>Who RU the spelling police? f.ck You WB!

The last SOB that said that to my face is now in an unmarked grave.

I don't think you have the stones to take me on, BIATCH !!!

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John Chewter - 02 Oct 2004 21:19 GMT
Tell me W_B - have you any amalgam fillings that would explain this
irrational aggression?

cc Jan Drew
cc Flat Earth Society

<fuse lit>

>>>Chuck(msrp) you truly are a world-class fool.
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W_B - 02 Oct 2004 21:37 GMT
Ummm, well... maybe

Agrresive is normal for me.

Irrational ? well that's only occasional.

Do you have anymore questions ?

cc Is the Earth a Sphere ? groupers.
cc Oceans Among Us.

>Tell me W_B - have you any amalgam fillings that would explain this
>irrational aggression?
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>> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
>> Take out the G'RBAGE

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John Chewter - 03 Oct 2004 06:26 GMT
Yes, How big is God?

> Ummm, well... maybe
>
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> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
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W_B - 03 Oct 2004 14:23 GMT
My mind is to small to contemplate the question.

>Yes, How big is God?
>
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>> wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
>> Take out the G'RBAGE

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Joel M. Eichen - 03 Oct 2004 15:37 GMT
>My mind is to small to contemplate the question.

I would think seven possibly eight feet tall .....

>>Yes, How big is God?
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>>> Take out the G'RBAGE
ChuckMSRD - 02 Oct 2004 22:07 GMT
>The last SOB that said that to my face is now in an unmarked grave.
>WB

Probably from your breath. I bet you sleep real well at night knowing that you
have implanted mercury into hundreds, if not thousands of mouths. Depending on
their genetic susceptibility, medical conditions, exacerbating factors, that
minute, yet chronic exposure will effect each to some extent at the cellular
level. Great job "Doc".

Chuck
W_B - 02 Oct 2004 22:16 GMT
>>The last SOB that said that to my face is now in an unmarked grave.
>>WB
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>
>Chuck

Well Charlie, you should go back to w.nking since you are so inept at
critical scientific thinking.

Your lack of experimental evidence is so obvious to all who read your
bloviating posts makes you a very entertaining clown.

Thanks for the laughs, Charles...(msrp).

AdHominem attacks noted.
Reply when you have a real argument.

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Clinton C Zimmerman - 03 Oct 2004 06:44 GMT
> >their genetic susceptibility, medical conditions, exacerbating factors, that
> >minute, yet chronic exposure will effect each to some extent at the cellular
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Reply when you have a real argument.

WB,
Ever heard of Lowell Y ?
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 13:44 GMT
>Why We Use No Mercury
>in the Fillings We Place:

We do not.

Mercury is a relic from the past.

Jan, what are you talking about?

Joel

>Composite resin fillings contain no mercury. They are bonded to the tooth
>and therefore help prevent fractures of teeth. Amalgam (silver) fillings
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>New Jersey Dental Association reported that they had proof that amalgam is
>safe.
Happy Oyster - 29 Sep 2004 17:57 GMT
>>Why We Use No Mercury
>>in the Fillings We Place:
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>
>Jan, what are you talking about?

Well, Joel, THIS sounds great. When did you give up using dental
amalgam ?

Regards,

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Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 17:56 GMT
>>>Why We Use No Mercury
>>>in the Fillings We Place:
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>Well, Joel, THIS sounds great. When did you give up using dental
>amalgam ?

Because I am retired!

Joel

>Regards,
>
>Aribert
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 13:45 GMT
>Why We Use No Mercury
>in the Fillings We Place:

Jan, perhaps we can recommend a better dentist for you .....

Joel

>Composite resin fillings contain no mercury. They are bonded to the tooth
>and therefore help prevent fractures of teeth. Amalgam (silver) fillings
[quoted text clipped - 88 lines]
>New Jersey Dental Association reported that they had proof that amalgam is
>safe.
Happy Oyster - 29 Sep 2004 17:57 GMT
>>Why We Use No Mercury
>>in the Fillings We Place:
>
>Jan, perhaps we can recommend a better dentist for you .....

I'm afraid, that won't cure malbrainia gravis...

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John Chewter - 29 Sep 2004 17:40 GMT
It might get her better advice tho'

>>>Why We Use No Mercury
>>>in the Fillings We Place:
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>
> Aribert Deckers
Jan - 30 Sep 2004 02:23 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>From: "John Chewter" john@LESS_SPAMchewter.f9.co.uk
>Date: 9/29/2004 11:40 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <cjeoil$bpq$1@titan.btinternet.com>
>
>It might get her better advice tho'

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2001_Nov/ai_79757257

The Evils of Dentistry - Tooth Truth - Review
Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients,  Nov, 2001  by Roy B. Kupsinel Save a
personal copy of this article and quickly find it again with Furl.net.
Get started now. (It's free.)Tooth Truth

by Frank J. Jerome, DDS

[C]1995 and 2000. Available from Tooth Truth, 639 Washington Street, Columbus,
Indiana 47201 USA; 812-376-8525

As I glance to my right I see in the bookcase Nutrition and Physical
Degeneration by Weston Price, DDS. This classic health book is one that I read
several years ago. Along with others, I have gone on record as stating that it
should be read by all medical and dental students, physicians and dentists. I
have just recently completed reading Tooth Truth by Frank Jerome, DDS. I wish
to add this masterpiece to my recommendation as a most practical book and
extend the reading invitation also to the truth-seeking lay person -- the
potential patient.

In 1992 I wrote and published in Health Consciousness magazine, "Tooth Truths,"
the story from my teenage years of my root canal tooth and its effect on my
health and life. If I only knew then what Frank is teaching now in his Tooth
Truth! There would have been no root canal. My experience is only a drop in the
fountain of knowledge presented in Tooth Truth. I have learned through my 72
years that people function at different levels of health consciousness. Those
seeking a higher level of awareness educate themselves. The next step is often
difficult for many to take. Procrastination and resistance may interfere with
growth. This step is to weigh information about a specific issue, then make an
intelligent choice and take positive action.

Dr. Jerome's writings are like a one-on-one personal talk with you. He writes
clearly and comprehensively and tells it like it is. With his revelations and
criticisms of conventional dentistry, I did not feel any hostility towards the
dental profession. He is to be commended for speaking out about dentistry,
including secrets that your dentist does not want you to know. He is a brave
man to put his professional life on the line with the dental establishment as
he speaks out against much of organized dentistry.

Dentistry is controlled by the American Dental Association, just like my
profession of medicine is by the American Medical Association. When a dentist
follows the rules and regulations of the ADA he is unlikely to get into any
trouble. Amalgam fillings, crowns and root canals are the bread and butter for
the dentist. Many dentists are driven first by economics and not by serving the
best interests of the patient. Also, the level of competence varies among
dentists. Some are truly incompetent! They create problems by damaging the
patient's teeth and cover it up with subsequent dental work that generates more
income for the dentist and more expense for the patient. Organized dentistry is
unlikely to voluntarily change its ways. It is up to us, the patients, to bring
pressure on the dental profession to raise their consciousness to make changes.

When I had my root canal at age sixteen, I had been taught and had ingrained in
my belief system that any tooth is worth saving. Dr. Jerome questions if saving
any tooth is worth damaging your immune system. Dogma is powerful Dr. Jerome
has covered all the bases -- all the phases of dentistry, including the
economics, insurance, toxicology, procedures and prevention.

I have been involved as a student of the alternatives in dentistry for about 20
years and incorporate my knowledge in my own health care as well as my
patients. Dr. Jerome has expanded my consciousness -- awareness, understanding
and knowledge -- and he will do the same for you as you read Tooth Truth.

1. It is most important for the individual to take responsibility for his
health.

2. It is okay to ask the dentist "why" and if you don't get satisfactory
answers or incur anger, find another dentist. Or, you may even be dismissed by
the dentist.

3. Currently there are some new types of dental business models aside from the
traditional fee for service ones. These control the dentist and the services
you receive -- just like similar ones in medicine. The skills, judgments and
clinical decisions of the dentist are being controlled and modified by these
third party organizations.

4. Mercury-amalgam fillings are extremely toxic and are to be avoided. They may
contribute to birth defects, Alzheimer's disease and a host of other physical,
mental and emotional diseases.

5. Did you know the life of an amalgam filling is only 10-15 years? A crown,
15-20 years? My dentists have never told me that. What is one to do in the
future when this time runs out?

6. Dr. Jerome writes about physicians being "dentally-blind." I agree. In
medical school (over 40 years ago) we probably had one day on dentistry (like
the one day on nutrition). It is time for the physician and the dentist both,
to treat the entire person and not just their respective parts with the
conventionally-approved practices.

7. Proper extractions involve the removal of the tooth plus the cementum, the
periodontal ligaments and the periosteum. Failure to do so often results in a
subsequent major problem called a cavitation. Few dentists do this complete
procedure and thus create illness that may never or rarely be diagnosed and
treated. For example, the wisdom teeth that are removed in most of us are
related via the energy circuits called acupuncture meridians, to the heart. If
cavitations form, there is a short-circuit on the meridian. Bacteria and toxins
gather in the extraction area and this oral pathology may often contribute to
cardiac problems. But how many dentists or physicians are thinking of this
connection when their patient has a heart attack and even dies?

8. As I learned in medicine in the l970s, the solution that Dr. Jerome gives is
the same and it may be called prevention or, better yet, primary prevention.
The latter means to prevent the problem before it even gets started. The key
word here is nutrition. It starts with the parents before conception and
continues during the pregnancy and thereafter in the child. Sugar is the worst
offender.

9. Here is a brief run-down of the contents: What is the problem? How to find
the truth. The role of organized dentistry. How the practice of dentistry
works. Mercury in your mouth. Electricity in your mouth. What are the risks?
How are teeth damaged? What to do? What materials to use? Crowning teeth. Root
canals! Pulling teeth can cause problems. Replacing missing teeth. Braces
(Orthodontics) What's the truth about fluoridation? Other dangers. What you can
do. The spectre of HIV/AIDS. The future of dentistry. Here are some quotes from
Tooth Truth:

"For every year the toxins (mercury-amalgam fillings) have been implanted, it
may take your body a month to detoxify itself. If the metals have been in 20 or
30 years, expect it to take 20 or 30 months to get the majority of the mercury
out of the body's tissues."

"The true value of dentistry is to prevent problems, not repair them after they
occur."

"Depression is a common side effect of mercury exposure."

"Change must come from the people... it is a political battle up to the people
to fight."

"Mercury is poisonous and should not be used in the human body."

"A healthy tooth does not decay."

"There are contaminants in all dental materials."

"All gold used (in dentistry) contains sine nickel."

"No dental treatment is permanent but damage done to tooth structure is
forever."

"Crowns should be avoided. A living tooth should be left alone."

"The potential for root canaled teeth to damage your health cannot be
emphasized enough."

"Dentists do root canals on their mistakes. (20% of crowned teeth die.)"
Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 17:56 GMT
GOOD ONE!

>>Jan, perhaps we can recommend a better dentist for you .....
>
>I'm afraid, that won't cure malbrainia gravis...
>
>Regards,
Jan - 30 Sep 2004 02:16 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>From: Happy Oyster happy.oyster@ariplex.com
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>>
>>Jan, perhaps we can recommend a better dentist for you .....

I already hae one of the best.

Dr. Frank Jerome

Author of Tooth Truth.

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The author makes the point that once a person dies, their teeth may last
thousands of years. Yet, while alive and part of an nutritional/immune system,
most people are hard-pressed to keep them from rotting out of their mouth
within a few years -- and think this is normal.

He lays out the chronology of most people's progressive dental deterioration;
the first fillings at 8-12, progressing to crowns in 20's-30's, root canals and
bridges in 30's-50's with subsequent extraction and dentures in old age. There
is nothing left, after having marched arm-in-arm with the state-of-the-art
dental care ... and thinking this is normal, despite folks in other parts of
the world living life with a set of choppers the likes of which most dentists
never even see.

The author lays out the realities and falsehoods behind each common dental
procedure, as well as a dental care profession that has managed to isolate
itself from the rest of medicine. This permits denial that the procedures and
materials used in dentistry usually result in chronic infections and toxicity
that have far-ranging, degenerative health consequences all over the body.

The latest thing is radioactive composite fillings "that show up better on
x-rays". Banned from glowing wrist-watches, but OK for implantation in your
mouth (the levels are "safe").

The good news is you don't have to wait the generation or two it will take for
the policy-making ADA dental leadership (whose egos and prestige are at risk if
the last century of treatment methods are recognized as being erroneous and
harmful) to die off and reform to set in.

Tooth and gum rot can be arrested and dental health improved by changes in
behavior and diet. It's your choice: have the Mountain Dew for breakfast every
day, gradually destroy your dental health while setting yourself up for a
lifetime of futile, painful dental work that will only establish a range of
other chronic infections and diseases ... or don't.

The book lays out the information you need to manage your own dental health and
find a dentist more concerned about your health than toeing the party line.

It's remarkable how advances in medicine are thought of as a major benefit of
modernity. Yet, considering what's going on with cancer, dentistry, AIDS, in
which politics, ego and perpetuating institutions are more important than
solutions, perhaps this time will be looked upon even less favorably than when
"leeching" was common. At least back then, it was lack of knowledge. Nowadays,
the errors are due to perversity; the knowledge exists but is disregarded to
perpetuate human power and dodge responsibility for error. Who is living in the
Dark Ages?
carabelli - 30 Sep 2004 03:19 GMT
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> Tooth Truth by Frank J. Jerome
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carabelli
Jan - 30 Sep 2004 07:18 GMT
>Mercury In The Fillings We Place
>From: "carabelli"

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A call for reform worth reading if you have any teeth left.

Reviewer: archimedes_tritium from Pasadena, CA USA

The author makes the point that once a person dies, their teeth may last
thousands of years. Yet, while alive and part of an nutritional/immune system,
most people are hard-pressed to keep them from rotting out of their mouth
within a few years -- and think this is normal.

He lays out the chronology of most people's progressive dental deterioration;
the first fillings at 8-12, progressing to crowns in 20's-30's, root canals and
bridges in 30's-50's with subsequent extraction and dentures in old age. There
is nothing left, after having marched arm-in-arm with the state-of-the-art
dental care ... and thinking this is normal, despite folks in other parts of
the world living life with a set of choppers the likes of which most dentists
never even see.

The author lays out the realities and falsehoods behind each common dental
procedure, as well as a dental care profession that has managed to isolate
itself from the rest of medicine. This permits denial that the procedures and
materials used in dentistry usually result in chronic infections and toxicity
that have far-ranging, degenerative health consequences all over the body.

The latest thing is radioactive composite fillings "that show up better on
x-rays". Banned from glowing wrist-watches, but OK for implantation in your
mouth (the levels are "safe").

The good news is you don't have to wait the generation or two it will take for
the policy-making ADA dental leadership (whose egos and prestige are at risk if
the last century of treatment methods are recognized as being erroneous and
harmful) to die off and reform to set in.

Tooth and gum rot can be arrested and dental health improved by changes in
behavior and diet. It's your choice: have the Mountain Dew for breakfast every
day, gradually destroy your dental health while setting yourself up for a
lifetime of futile, painful dental work that will only establish a range of
other chronic infections and diseases ... or don't.

The book lays out the information you need to manage your own dental health and
find a dentist more concerned about your health than toeing the party line.

It's remarkable how advances in medicine are thought of as a major benefit of
modernity. Yet, considering what's going on with cancer, dentistry, AIDS, in
which politics, ego and perpetuating institutions are more important than
solutions, perhaps this time will be looked upon even less favorably than when
"leeching" was common. At least back then, it was lack of knowledge. Nowadays,
the errors are due to perversity; the knowledge exists but is disregarded to
perpetuate human power and dodge responsibility for error. Who is living in the
Dark Ages?
Steven Fawks - 30 Sep 2004 17:22 GMT
This is an excellent time of year to visit a local orchard
(or in my case the back yard) and get some fresh apples.

'Easy as pie' is certainly an old cliche, yet a lot of
people buy pies instead of make their own.

6 cups of pared, sliced apples
1 cup of sugar (or Splenda™ for you diabetics or dieters)
1 tsp of cinnamin
3 tbl. of flour

The real trick to pie making is in the crust.  I don't care for
'store bought' varieties.  Get out your Better Homes & Gardens
cook book and follow the directions for pie crust to the letter.
A little practice and you will make crust like your grandmother!

This crust will taste great, remain flaky, and not burn before the
pie is done. (400º for 50-55 minutes)

Fawks
Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 17:30 GMT
>This is an excellent time of year to visit a local orchard
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>The real trick to pie making is in the crust.  I don't care for
>'store bought' varieties.

I gues you woundn't like the ones at Shop-Rite for a buck and a half
then either ........

ALL BAKED and all ......

> Get out your Better Homes & Gardens
>cook book and follow the directions for pie crust to the letter.
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>Fawks
Joel M. Eichen - 30 Sep 2004 11:11 GMT
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Good one ,,,, and very special!

Joel

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Tony Bad - 30 Sep 2004 20:26 GMT
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Jan - 01 Oct 2004 06:47 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
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Typical.

*I-don't-want-to-be-imformed-attitude.

http://www.minimum.com/b.asp?a=tooth-truth-jerome

Much more than just mercury toxicity, this book includes things you should know
about crowns, braces, root canals, fluoridation, replacement of missing teeth,
electricity in your mouth and more. Besides the author's wife, it is dedicated
to Dr. Hulda Clark, Dr. Hal Huggins and all the patients who have suffered
dentistry's toxic materials and treatments.

NO TOOTH IS WORTH DAMAGING YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM
The dental profession, through its leadership, has generally ignored or denied
the truth about the risks of using mercury and other metals in fillings.
Therefore, this book has been written directly to the consumers, their
patients. It is hoped that consumers will decide with their dollars what type
of materials and procedures they really want once they are better informed. It
is time to reexamine what dentists do and for better choices to be made.

This book is your call to action. Tell your friends about the problems with
current dental practices. Spread the word to anyone who will listen.... This is
your opportunity to directly contribute to the health of all Americans.

Jan
John Chewter - 01 Oct 2004 11:19 GMT
OK Jan.

What exactly is the answer to perfect dentistry?

It seems its not amalgam (for you)

Would you be happy if amalgam didn't exist?

What would you use in its place - that is guaranteed not to have any toxic
problems when viewed from 150 years from now? (We have 150 years of history
of amalgam)

> >Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
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> Jan
Jan - 01 Oct 2004 20:58 GMT
>Subject: Re: Why We Use No Mercury In The Fillings We Place
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>What exactly is the answer to perfect dentistry?

Nothing is perfect.

>It seems its not amalgam (for you)

And many other people.

>Would you be happy if amalgam didn't exist?

Mercury is being eliminated in all forms. Fact is, it should never have been
used. Hg vapors can ad do cuase mercury poisoning and many other conditions.It
is also ruining the environment.

>What would you use in its place - that is guaranteed

There are no guarantees, there are many many *unanswered* health problems. With
the LIES of the ADA and AMA, no one thinks to check the teeth.

>(We have 150 years of history
>of amalgam)

That history does NOT include the problems, as they are DENIED.

Jan

>> Much more than just mercury toxicity, this book includes things you should
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>> Jan
Joel M. Eichen - 01 Oct 2004 13:21 GMT
Warn your Break Dancing friends to give up the Vioxx too.

Joel

**

>Much more than just mercury toxicity, this book includes things you should know
>about crowns, braces, root canals, fluoridation, replacement of missing teeth,
>electricity in your mouth and more. Besides the author's wife, it is dedicated
>to Dr. Hulda Clark, Dr. Hal Huggins and all the patients who have suffered
>dentistry's toxic materials and treatments.
Jan - 03 Oct 2004 06:53 GMT
>Why We Use No Mercury
>in the Fillings We Place:
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>of the toxic element, Mercury? The argument rages as to whether that mercury
>is bound, and therefore inert, or actively liberated as

****mercury vapor which
>can then be absorbed into body tissues throughout the life of the
filling.*****

>Amalgam is a material that is over 150 years old, and there are many modern
>alternatives that can be considered.
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>****The known effects of mercury toxicity include deterioration of the immune
system, the neurologic system, and the reproductive system.***

While I do not profess to be an expert on the scientific evidence which I have
become familiar with, I made a choice many years ago, after having read a
>scientific article which indicated there was suppression in the immune
>system of monkeys in the experimental group (which had recently undergone
>amalgam filling placement), while the control group remained normal. The
>American Dental Association's response was to state that "this research was
>done on monkeys not humans, and therefore has no relevance."

****At that point, I asked myself what the American Dental Associations was
trying to cover-up?

>Many dentists who have read this page have asked me why I suspected a
>cover-up?

***It is incongruous to me that the American Dental Association tells
>us that mercury-amalgam is safe in our patient's mouths, that once the
>silver and mercury have hardened, there is no significant mercury vapor
>liberated from the filling. In the same breath, they ask us to store all
>unused amalgam in a sealed gla