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Permanent cement not needed for a Gold crown?

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Melvin S. Schwartz - 21 Sep 2004 15:19 GMT
A molar that had a root canal was given a gold crown some months ago. My
dentist says a permanent filling isn't needed and suggests we leave it as
is in case any problem develops. He insists there is no risk by leaving it
with just the temporary cement because it fits well and there are no
spaces.

Do you think this it's okay to leave the gold crown this way?
Joel M. Eichen - 21 Sep 2004 15:26 GMT
>A molar that had a root canal was given a gold crown some months ago. My
>dentist says a permanent filling isn't needed and suggests we leave it as
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>Do you think this it's okay to leave the gold crown this way?

YES, but be aware that the temporary can wash out. You can check it if
its a lower tooth .... uppers involve two mirrors ....

JOEL
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 21 Sep 2004 16:48 GMT
> A molar that had a root canal was given a gold crown some months ago. My
> dentist says a permanent filling isn't needed and suggests we leave it as
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> Do you think this it's okay to leave the gold crown this way?

    Depends upon the temporary cement.  But why not use a more permanent
material in the access hole?  Amalgam or resin won't leak as much, won't
wear as much, and is almost as easy to remove if necessary.
    Another question is why he thinks a problem may develop.

Steve

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Krzysztof Polanowski - 21 Sep 2004 18:37 GMT
> A molar that had a root canal was given a gold crown some months ago. My
> dentist says a permanent filling isn't needed and suggests we leave it as
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> Do you think this it's okay to leave the gold crown this way?

nope! the temporary cement is only for short period .The retension depends
on preparetion cements shoudnt be the main poit of retension.You must
exchange the temporary cement into permanent becouse of
mickro-leak(percolate)

regards
Melvin S. Schwartz - 23 Sep 2004 01:29 GMT
My dentist said permanent cement is not needed because the gold crown fits
so well there are no spaces with the kind of temporary cement used. I don't
know any other reason. I could go back and ask for permanent cement but
what do I say? Dr. X the dentists on the internet say you should use
permanent cement :-) I mean, is my dentist really wrong about this? If he
is, then please give me some particular reason that I could give to him.

Thanks! I think :-)
Steven Bornfeld - 23 Sep 2004 03:22 GMT
> My dentist said permanent cement is not needed because the gold crown fits
> so well there are no spaces with the kind of temporary cement used. I don't
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> Thanks! I think :-)

    There is no polite way to say this--there is ALWAYS a space, even if
microscopic.  If the cement is soluble, it will sooner or later wash
out.  He is wrong, or may have some reason to suspect he may have to
remove the crown to check it for some reason.
    Under the circumstances, he may simply refuse, and this is his right.
It is also your right to check with another dentist.

Steve
The Real Paul - 23 Sep 2004 14:12 GMT
His dentist is right on...the tooth had a root canal and THEN a crown. No
access hole in the new crown. He put it on with temp glue. I've done this
many times and just schedule the patient in 4-6 weeks to bump it off and
permanent cement if it has calmed down. I wouldn't leave it on for much
longer due to leakage as the others here have stated..

> > My dentist said permanent cement is not needed because the gold crown fits
> > so well there are no spaces with the kind of temporary cement used. I don't
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> Steve
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS - 23 Sep 2004 15:15 GMT
> His dentist is right on...the tooth had a root canal and THEN a crown. No
> access hole in the new crown. He put it on with temp glue. I've done this
> many times and just schedule the patient in 4-6 weeks to bump it off and
> permanent cement if it has calmed down. I wouldn't leave it on for much
> longer due to leakage as the others here have stated..

    My presumption is that the dentist intended to leave it in temp. cement
indefinitely.  If it is to be used temporarily for a reasonable length
of time that is something altogether different.

Steve

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W_B - 23 Sep 2004 16:41 GMT
What do you use to 'bump' the crown off ?

>His dentist is right on...the tooth had a root canal and THEN a crown. No
>access hole in the new crown. He put it on with temp glue. I've done this
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>> Steve

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Joel M. Eichen - 23 Sep 2004 17:52 GMT
>What do you use to 'bump' the crown off ?

CROWN BUMPER ... why do you ask?

>>His dentist is right on...the tooth had a root canal and THEN a crown. No
>>access hole in the new crown. He put it on with temp glue. I've done this
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>>> Steve
Yoakum - 26 Sep 2004 20:32 GMT
>>What do you use to 'bump' the crown off ?
>
>CROWN BUMPER ... why do you ask?

Thought you said *CHROME* Bumper ;0)

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Joel M. Eichen - 27 Sep 2004 00:10 GMT
>>>What do you use to 'bump' the crown off ?
>>
>>CROWN BUMPER ... why do you ask?
>
>Thought you said *CHROME* Bumper ;0)

Only for chrome crowns .......

Joel
Melvin S. Schwartz - 23 Sep 2004 22:45 GMT
Yes, the gold crown was put on before my endodontist did the root canal. No
access hole as you stated. I was scheduled to have permanent cement applied
to the gold crown but when I came in, my dentist said there was no reason
to take off the crown and use permanent cement. He said at each 6 month
visit it would be checked and if needed, the permanent cement would be put
on at that time.

I had no problems with the tooth after the root canal. There is no reason I
know of that would imply any possible problem developing. I called my
endodontist and he suggested I tell my dentist to use permanent cement. I
did call my dentist today and set up an appointment to have permanent
cement applied next week. I am completely dumbfounded as to why my dentist
has acted this way. He always used permanent cement in the past on crowns.
The only reason he gave for not using permanent cement is there are no
spaces and no need to worry.

I am strongly considering changing to another dentist for the future.

> His dentist is right on...the tooth had a root canal and THEN a crown. No
> access hole in the new crown. He put it on with temp glue. I've done this
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>> Steve
 
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