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Melvin S. Schwartz - 21 Sep 2004 15:28 GMT At my cleaning yesterday, the hygienist recommended a flouride treatment and I was surprised as I thought it was mainly beneficial to "young" people - I am over 50 :)
I don't use toothpaste with flouride or have drinking water with flouride. I am not concerned about cavities because I just don't get them anymore. However, she said the flouride helps strengthen the enamel and re-mineralizes or something and recommended it because of scratches caused by the cleaning.
What do you think? Should adults have a flouride treatment at every 6 month cleaning?
Joel M. Eichen - 21 Sep 2004 16:12 GMT >At my cleaning yesterday, the hygienist recommended a flouride treatment >and I was surprised as I thought it was mainly beneficial to "young" people >- I am over 50 :) YUP she has fallen for the standard pitch!
JOEL
>I don't use toothpaste with flouride or have drinking water with flouride. >I am not concerned about cavities because I just don't get them anymore. STANDARD PITCH, next month she will be applying it for a fee for you ......
>However, she said the flouride helps strengthen the enamel and >re-mineralizes or something and recommended it because of scratches caused >by the cleaning. BAH HUMBUG!
>What do you think? Should adults have a flouride treatment at every 6 month >cleaning? HAH! I knew it!
ITS A PROCEDURE!
I thought she was suggesting fluoride toothpaste!
Oh boy am I naive!
JOEL
Krzysztof Polanowski - 21 Sep 2004 18:46 GMT the fluoride is working the most efficient in young people .Of course Its possible to take special tablets during pregnancy(depends on country) and next during evolution. After years the absorption of flouride is getting less and less... THE MOST IMPORTANT IS A LEANING and HYGIENE
> At my cleaning yesterday, the hygienist recommended a flouride treatment > and I was surprised as I thought it was mainly beneficial to "young" people [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > What do you think? Should adults have a flouride treatment at every 6 month > cleaning? Joel M. Eichen - 21 Sep 2004 19:10 GMT >the fluoride is working the most efficient in young people .Of course Its >possible to take special tablets during pregnancy(depends on country) and >next during evolution. >After years the absorption of flouride is getting less and less... >THE MOST IMPORTANT IS A LEANING and HYGIENE YUP, tough when people do not have indoor plumbing .....
>> At my cleaning yesterday, the hygienist recommended a flouride treatment >> and I was surprised as I thought it was mainly beneficial to "young" [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >month >> cleaning? Joel M. Eichen - 21 Sep 2004 19:10 GMT FORGOT TO ASK ... who does the LEANING?
JOEL
>the fluoride is working the most efficient in young people .Of course Its >possible to take special tablets during pregnancy(depends on country) and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >month >> cleaning? Joel M. Eichen - 21 Sep 2004 19:10 GMT What kind of leaning ... we have sexual harrassment laws here ......
JOEL
>the fluoride is working the most efficient in young people .Of course Its >possible to take special tablets during pregnancy(depends on country) and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >month >> cleaning? Krzysztof Polanowski - 22 Sep 2004 08:34 GMT oops cleaning ,C L E A N I N G JOEL !!!!!!! SORRY<SORRY
> What kind of leaning ... we have sexual harrassment laws here ...... > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >month > >> cleaning? Shirley Gutkowski RDH - 21 Sep 2004 19:36 GMT >the fluoride is working the most efficient in young people .Of course Its >possible to take special tablets during pregnancy(depends on country) and >next during evolution I have to disagree most heartily. Fluroide is not as effective as initially thought when taken internally. It is most effective in small doses over time, to remineralize the tooth as it breaks down during daily acid challanges.
The question about adult fluorides - Fluroide is helpful. It's better to skip the polishing. Polishing removes the fluoride rich outter layer of the enamel. It has no benefits whatsoever.
You will likely enter into a time of increased caries activity again at some point. If you take any medications that will decrease your saliva, you're at risk for new decay. Ask your hygienist to read her journals and she'll see that what she's doing is contrary to the way fluoride and decay works. Or not and avoid making her look/feel bad.
Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes." - P. J. O'Rourke ~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp
Peter Meiers - 21 Sep 2004 19:42 GMT > ... Polishing removes the > fluoride rich outter layer of the enamel. It has no benefits whatsoever. Therefore the polishing is good, Shirley. It removes the fluoride-rich outer layer of the enamel which has no benefits whatsoever!
Best, Peter
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Shirley Gutkowski RDH - 21 Sep 2004 21:35 GMT Shirley says trying to fix a split end:
Polishing is no good, it removes the fluoride rich layer of enamel.
Whew.
Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes." - P. J. O'Rourke ~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp
Dr Steve - 21 Sep 2004 21:57 GMT But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, not polishing means more plaque sticks to the tooth........... what to do?
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> Shirley says trying to fix a split end: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp carabelli - 21 Sep 2004 22:12 GMT > But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, not polishing means more plaque sticks to the > tooth........... what to do? cut bait.
carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 22 Sep 2004 00:25 GMT >> But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, not polishing means more plaque sticks to the >> tooth........... what to do? > >cut bait. BAIT or cut fish ......
>carabelli W_B - 22 Sep 2004 19:25 GMT >> But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, not polishing means more plaque sticks to the >> tooth........... what to do? > >cut bait. > >carabelli fish. --
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carabelli - 23 Sep 2004 03:59 GMT > >> But,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, not polishing means more plaque sticks to the > >> tooth........... what to do? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > W_B Don't cross me again - cut bait.
carabelli
W_B - 23 Sep 2004 16:10 GMT >> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:12:33 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >carabelli I have the knife mister. --
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carabelli - 24 Sep 2004 00:42 GMT ----- Original Message ----- From: "W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:10 AM Subject: Re: Flouride for adults?
> >> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:12:33 GMT, "carabelli" <redslaz3@att.net.not> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > I have the knife mister. OK, you do the work, and I'll have the fun.
"You know you're a redneck if you're too drunk to fish"
carabelli
Advocate147 - 24 Sep 2004 01:06 GMT There are some very ignorant people on this newsgroup (meaning myself only) What does "cut bait" mean. Does it refer to dentistry or fishing. and what does the "fish" mean" The rest gets more confusing yet.
STOP IT !!!!!!!!!
Steven Fawks - 24 Sep 2004 17:39 GMT When a quandry presents itself, an old saying about the confused: "He doesn't know whether to fish or cut bait".
One could infer that Carabelli's 'cut bait' response to Dr. Steve means that you prepare for more meaningful, definite research before making any decisions. W_B's response of 'fish' could mean to act upon the evidence as presented.
I thinks they was jist a argying for the hellavit.
<G> Fawks
> There are some very ignorant people on this newsgroup (meaning myself only) > What does "cut bait" mean. Does it refer to dentistry or fishing. > and what does the "fish" mean" > The rest gets more confusing yet. > > STOP IT !!!!!!!!! Advocate147 - 24 Sep 2004 21:00 GMT Steven Fawks,
Thanks so much for the explanation. Still learning. What was upsetting was it appeared to be an argumentive tone. And I love your "I think they was jist a argying for the hellavit." Maybe I was too picky. There are so many strange expressions that have more than one meaning, a person is apt to misunderstand. Thanks again
Gail
Steven Fawks DDS - 25 Sep 2004 06:28 GMT Dang girl. I cain't figger out yer lak of unnerstannin' Looks perty plane and simple ter me.
<G> Fawks
Since you probably live in a 'city', I'll try and be nice.
> And I love your "I think they was jist a argying for the hellavit." StovePipe - 02 Oct 2004 06:58 GMT > Dang girl. I cain't figger out yer lak of unnerstannin' Looks perty > plane and simple ter me. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Since you probably live in a 'city', I'll try and be nice. You know... when I was in high school, I was in Europe (my Father's job meant we had to be in boarding schools, and his company paid for it...) and we could always pick out the Americans and Canadians on the ski hills.
The Americans were easy: they talk like SF writes, and they did it while NEVER moving their arms OR opening their mouths. So, even if they were out of earshot, it was still easy to spot 'em.
The Canadians were even easier: they always looked like they shouldn't have been there because it all was just too much and too expensive... IOW, completely lost.... I have to say that when I took the family down to Disney World this past summer, I was still afflicted with that same Canadian Disease... Sadly, some people will never get over it.
IOW Ya kin bring th' Bloke outta Kaannnaadaa, butt yuh cain't rip the Kaannnaada outta th' Bloke... Just my Observations SP
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W_B - 02 Oct 2004 19:07 GMT >You know... when I was in high school, I was in Europe You actually went to "high-school" ?
Amazing.
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StovePipe - 02 Oct 2004 21:03 GMT > >You know... when I was in high school, I was in Europe > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > W_B Yup, I done grajjiat-ed th' sixth grade an' then, straiiit tuh a schul in Europ ov'r thar... Thas' wher Ah larn-ed tuh right English. Es yuh kin see, they did ah good job o' larnin' us... Good thang too,,, seein' as how it all kost muh Daid's companny all them reel Americun dollar$$$ SP
PS: it is interesting to note that those schools are populated these days by a lot of music stars' kids.... They are like any other school: you get out what you put in, and the huge advantage is that you get to see that there is more to this world than North America, and that the world does NOT hang on every word or action that the USofA sees fit to realize. Only when you get out of NA for a couple of years can you really appreciate what this means. I think that Dubbaya is learning a bit of that now: the Bible doesn't have all the answers and the world is not just good and evil. I remember the look on his face when the Germans told him flat out that they did not plan to follow him into Iraq. You'd think that he'd seen JC getting down of the cross....
This is why I think it is a crime that neither your leadership or ours really has an internationally based education.... That hurts both your country and mine.
PPS: If y'all can afford to send your kids to international schools somewere else in the world, DO IT! You will not be disappointed... ---------- Jes' muh chickin scratchin's SP
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W_B - 02 Oct 2004 21:29 GMT >es' muh chickin scratchin's >SP Sorry mate, didn't learn how to read just yet.
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StovePipe - 03 Oct 2004 04:43 GMT > >es' muh chickin scratchin's > >SP [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > Take out the G'RBAGE Aaah weall, 's not a purrfect wurld, now iz it? Y'all du whut ya can, an' ah'll du th' self same... Jes' more skratchin's SP
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Steven Fawks - 24 Sep 2004 17:28 GMT Quit dragging me into your argument!
Fawks
>>>Don't cross me again - cut bait. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > carabelli Yoakum - 27 Sep 2004 01:05 GMT >----- Original Message ----- >From: "W_B" <no_one@nowhere.net> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >carabelli Hatfield and McCoy's Redneck Dictionary "Words you need to git-'er-done"
Mayonaise (nv.etymology unknown)
"Mayonaise there a buch of people here tonight"
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Advocate147 - 27 Sep 2004 03:20 GMT "Hatfield and McCoy's Redneck Dictionary "Words you need to git-er-done"
Mayonaise (nvetymology unknown)
"Mayonaise there a buch of people here tonight"
Is this looking for conversation or looking for trouble.
Gail
Melvin S. Schwartz - 23 Sep 2004 01:40 GMT I don't take any medications and haven't had a cavity in years. There is no flouride in my drinking water (well water) and I don't use a toothpaste with flouride. So, am I correct that basically everyone here says a flouride treatment for adults is not of any value? Just a scam by evil dentists or hygienists? Maybe evil is the wrong adjective and I should use unscrupulous ;-)
>>the fluoride is working the most efficient in young people .Of course Its >>possible to take special tablets during pregnancy(depends on country) and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp carabelli - 23 Sep 2004 03:38 GMT > I don't take any medications and haven't had a cavity in years. There is no > flouride in my drinking water (well water) and I don't use a toothpaste > with flouride. So, am I correct that basically everyone here says a > flouride treatment for adults is not of any value? Just a scam by evil > dentists or hygienists? Maybe evil is the wrong adjective and I should use > unscrupulous ;-) Nope, you are blessed with exceptional dental hydroxyapatite (unless the well water came from runoff from the Rockies). FWIW, topical Fl applications is worth the money. JMHO. It doesn't apply to everyone, sometimes it's worth throwing a little into the pot instead of folding.
carabelli
Joel M. Eichen - 23 Sep 2004 12:45 GMT >> I don't take any medications and haven't had a cavity in years. There is >no [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Nope, you are blessed with exceptional dental hydroxyapatite (unless the REPLY
hydroxy-appetite makes my mouth water for those delicious cookies ....
>well water came from runoff from the Rockies). FWIW, topical Fl >applications is worth the money. JMHO. It doesn't apply to everyone, >sometimes it's worth throwing a little into the pot instead of folding. > >carabelli W_B - 23 Sep 2004 15:33 GMT >I don't take any medications and haven't had a cavity in years. There is no >flouride in my drinking water (well water) Well water often has a very high fluoride concentration.
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Nancy - 25 Sep 2004 17:46 GMT >I don't take any medications and haven't had a cavity in years. There is no >flouride in my drinking water (well water) and I don't use a toothpaste >with flouride. So, am I correct that basically everyone here says a >flouride treatment for adults is not of any value? Just a scam by evil >dentists or hygienists? Maybe evil is the wrong adjective and I should use >unscrupulous ;-) Evil is fine.. or the other one.. unscrupulous.. either one or the other.. or both, fine.
>>>the fluoride is working the most efficient in young people .Of course Its >>>possible to take special tablets during pregnancy(depends on country) and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Krzysztof Polanowski - 23 Sep 2004 08:32 GMT perhaps but as far as I know the absorption of flour .When the caries is without any deep penetration It could be helpful but after years this method isnt efficient(IMHO) of course It could be helpfull but even in big hipersensitivity the result could be poor
> >the fluoride is working the most efficient in young people .Of course Its > >possible to take special tablets during pregnancy(depends on country) and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Melvin S. Schwartz - 23 Sep 2004 22:48 GMT Is the bottom line a flouride treatment at the dentist of no particular value to me?
>perhaps but as far as I know the absorption of flour .When the caries is > without any deep penetration It could be helpful but after years this method [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Krzysztof Polanowski - 24 Sep 2004 06:20 GMT Its mostly only prevention but Its better to prevent as to treat :))
> Is the bottom line a flouride treatment at the dentist of no particular > value to me? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >> ~~~~~~~~~ > >> http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Melvin S. Schwartz - 25 Sep 2004 01:33 GMT Not really preventing anything as I don't get cavities, unless you are referring to something else?
> Its mostly only prevention but Its better to prevent as to treat :)) >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >>>> ~~~~~~~~~ >>>> http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Krzysztof Polanowski - 25 Sep 2004 13:01 GMT This is long topic I think fluor is the most imortant in prevention and the most effective in young age(IMHO) but there is some cases when flour (medicine including also fluor) are using in dental treatment for exemple first step of caries or hipersensitivity etc. Of course the proffesional flour medicine is different from home use--mostly regarding concentration so in result the application ought to be under control.
the medicine including fluor its next topic --Its a lot of this stuff in clinic We have couple (usually) and Its difficoult to say witch is the best shortly-- this one is the best when in a case makes effect of treatment
> Not really preventing anything as I don't get cavities, unless you are > referring to something else? [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > >>>> ~~~~~~~~~ > >>>> http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Peter Meiers - 26 Sep 2004 20:12 GMT > Of course the proffesional flour medicine is different from home use--mostly > regarding concentration so in result the application ought to be under > control. You are spreading flour on your patients´ teeth?
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Joel M. Eichen - 27 Sep 2004 00:11 GMT >> Of course the proffesional flour medicine is different from home use--mostly >> regarding concentration so in result the application ought to be under >> control. > >You are spreading flour on your patients´ teeth? Should be lightly dipped in egg first ... for the flour to stick.
JOEL
StovePipe - 27 Sep 2004 00:21 GMT > > Of course the proffesional flour medicine is different from home use--mostly > > regarding concentration so in result the application ought to be under > > control. > > You are spreading flour on your patients´ teeth? He means flouride... you spread flour over your hair... ;-) SP
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Peter Meiers - 27 Sep 2004 11:51 GMT > > > Of course the proffesional flour medicine is different from home use--mostly > > > regarding concentration so in result the application ought to be under [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > He means flouride... flour-ide = similar to flour I´d guess the difference is not very great ;-)
> you spread flour over your hair... ;-) Rather flour than fluor
Peter
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Krzysztof Polanowski - 25 Sep 2004 13:53 GMT This is long topic I think fluor is the most imortant in prevention and the most effective in young age(IMHO) but there is some cases when flour (medicine including also fluor) are using in dental treatment for exemple first step of caries or hipersensitivity etc. Of course the proffesional flour medicine is different from home use--mostly regarding concentration so in result the application ought to be under control.
the medicine including fluor its next topic --Its a lot of this stuff in clinic We have couple (usually) and Its difficoult to say witch is the best shortly-- this one is the best when in a case makes effect of treatment
> Not really preventing anything as I don't get cavities, unless you are > referring to something else? [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > >>>> ~~~~~~~~~ > >>>> http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Shirley Gutkowski RDH - 26 Sep 2004 16:34 GMT >Is the bottom line a flouride treatment at the dentist of no particular >value to me? Considering the short history you gave us the other day I suggest that for YOU it is not beneficial. If the only argument that your dental hygienist has to give you a fluoride treatment is that SHE is removing the fluoride rich layer of enamel by polishing, ask her to skip the polish.
Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes." - P. J. O'Rourke ~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp
Joel M. Eichen - 26 Sep 2004 17:14 GMT ... and let's recall that the decision to apply fluoride or not apply fluoride is the dentist's who has the sole responsibility and the sole discretion in this matter.
JOEL
>>Is the bottom line a flouride treatment at the dentist of no particular >>value to me? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >~~~~~~~~~ >http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Peter Meiers - 26 Sep 2004 20:10 GMT > ... and let's recall that the decision to apply fluoride or not apply > fluoride is the dentist's who has the sole responsibility and the sole > discretion in this matter. ERROR! If a dentist or hygienist applies fluoride to MY teeth is MY personal decision (at least as far as my NO is concerned). He/She will never touch my teeth (or mouth) with that stuff. Likewise, it is a matter of everybody else´s own personal decision if he/she will allow a dentist or hygienist to apply fluoride to one´s teeth.
You may be right if you referred to what a hygienist has or has not to decide in a dental practice.
Peter
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Joel M. Eichen - 27 Sep 2004 00:12 GMT >> ... and let's recall that the decision to apply fluoride or not apply >> fluoride is the dentist's who has the sole responsibility and the sole >> discretion in this matter. > >ERROR! If a dentist or hygienist applies fluoride to MY teeth is MY >personal decision (at least as far as my NO is concerned). Nope. The Rx suggests the doc prescribes it. If you chose not to take it (or accept it) so be it!
Joel
>He/She will >never touch my teeth (or mouth) with that stuff. Likewise, it is a >matter of everybody else´s own personal decision if he/she will allow a >dentist or hygienist to apply fluoride to one´s teeth. PS- I agree. Adults NEVER neeed it. Its bogus.
>You may be right if you referred to what a hygienist has or has not to >decide in a dental practice. > >Peter Melvin S. Schwartz - 26 Sep 2004 23:38 GMT Short history? I am over 45, no cavities in years, not taking any medication, don't use fluoride in toothpaste, no fluoride in my well water as far as I know, and what else would you need to know?
The only reason the hygienist suggested fluoride was because after cleaning my teeth, she said the fluoride helps with the scratches and re-mineralizes the teeth.
Now, is a fluoride treatment something I need? Are you saying the cleaning (removing stains) of teeth or polishing is bad?
Thanks!
>>Is the bottom line a flouride treatment at the dentist of no particular >>value to me? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Steven Bornfeld - 27 Sep 2004 00:06 GMT > Short history? I am over 45, no cavities in years, not taking any > medication, don't use fluoride in toothpaste, no fluoride in my well water [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thanks! If you get your teeth polished maybe twice a year, the amount of abrasion from this is minimal, esp. compared to daily brushing, normal attrition and wear and tear (not to mention any parafunctional habits). The polishing should tend to remove any scratches caused by scaling, but I can't remember seeing any scanning electron micrographs indicating that a normal polishing actually does this. In any case, if you haven't had a cavity in years, I believe fluoride treatments are a very low priority.
Steve
>>>Is the bottom line a flouride treatment at the dentist of no particular >>>value to me? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>~~~~~~~~~ >>http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Shirley Gutkowski RDH - 27 Sep 2004 19:47 GMT >The polishing should tend to remove any scratches caused by scaling, >but I can't remember seeing any scanning electron micrographs indicating Scaling does not remove or scratch enamel, polishing does. A few years ago I did an enormous reasearch paper published in RDH (www.rdhmag.com). I saw tons of micrographs of the damage polish does to enamel. The point of this discussion was wheather this person needed a fluoride treatment. If the only reason the practitioner gave was to replace the fluoride rich outter enamel that was removed during polishing, the teeth should not be polished, and skip the fluoride. Save the arguement for people who NEED topical office fluroide treatments. Goto to your journals and read Featherstone for lessons in topical fluoride and how enamel heals, yes heals.
Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes." - P. J. O'Rourke ~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp
Melvin S. Schwartz - 28 Sep 2004 00:04 GMT Shirley, the hygienist didn't polish my teeth. She did the "cleaning" with an ultrasonic drill or whatever you call it, which was really just for removing tarter and plaque. She didn't "polish" my teeth. Interesting because the previous hygienists did polish my teeth during a cleaning. Anyway, the only reason she gave for recommending a fluoride treatment was scratches caused by the cleaning/scaling and said it was good for re-mineralizing the teeth.
>>The polishing should tend to remove any scratches caused by scaling, >>but I can't remember seeing any scanning electron micrographs indicating [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Joel M. Eichen - 27 Sep 2004 00:14 GMT >Short history? I am over 45, no cavities in years, not taking any >medication, don't use fluoride in toothpaste, no fluoride in my well water >as far as I know, and what else would you need to know? Not much ....... Where are the pics?
>The only reason the hygienist suggested fluoride was because after cleaning >my teeth, she said the fluoride helps with the scratches and re-mineralizes >the teeth. Bleeeccchhh.
>Now, is a fluoride treatment something I need? Are you saying the cleaning >(removing stains) of teeth or polishing is bad? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> ~~~~~~~~~ >> http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Dr Steve - 27 Sep 2004 12:56 GMT > Short history? I am over 45, no cavities in years, not taking any > medication, don't use fluoride in toothpaste, no fluoride in my well water [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > re-mineralizes > the teeth. If you can afford the extra money easily, then go ahead and do it. You cost to benfit ratio is on the low side, so,,,,,,,,,,, if the cost is big concern skip the fluoride treatment and go being happy.
> Now, is a fluoride treatment something I need? Are you saying the cleaning > (removing stains) of teeth or polishing is bad? That claim only appears in the magazines sent to dental hygienists and is backed up by their own peers. I suppose, they use this to defend themselves when the dentist complains that they did not polish the teeth very well. Any dentist is going to insist on a smooth clean surface free of anything that is not "tooth".
Shirley Gutkowski RDH - 27 Sep 2004 19:43 GMT Polishing is not theraputic. Stain is not harmful, and can be removed with an ultrasonic scaler. A hygiensit or dentist or dental assistant can polish your teeth with toothpaste. I have a distaste for removing or harming enamel. My distaste comes from years of research.
>The only reason the hygienist suggested fluoride was because after cleaning >my teeth, she said the fluoride helps with the scratches and re-mineralizes [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Thanks!
Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes." - P. J. O'Rourke ~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp
W_B - 29 Sep 2004 19:20 GMT >My distaste comes from years >of research. But some of the dental polishes taste good ;0) --
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Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 21:59 GMT >>My distaste comes from years >>of research. > >But some of the dental polishes taste good ;0) Do you lick the inside or just the container?
Joel
W_B - 29 Sep 2004 22:26 GMT >>>My distaste comes from years >>>of research. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Joel Splatter --
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Advocate147 - 26 Sep 2004 02:00 GMT Dr Fawks,
Does it take a lot of thought for the spelling of the special dialect in your message. Find it very entertaining. Guess one has to learn to play for these special talents.
Gail
Steven Fawks - 27 Sep 2004 17:58 GMT Wunce u dew it a wile, it kyna kum nacherrul.
Folks seem ta spect we-uns out har to talk funny an not be vary smart.
I's jest trian to keep em happy.
;-) Fawks
> Dr Fawks, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Gail Chris - 28 Sep 2004 16:37 GMT Using flouride on your teeth will help re-mineralize them. Some dentists do polish teeth while others dont. I wouldnt worry about it to much as long as your teeth got cleaned and look good.
> Wunce u dew it a wile, it kyna kum nacherrul. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > Gail Joel M. Eichen - 28 Sep 2004 17:28 GMT >Using flouride on your teeth will help re-mineralize them. How would flour possibly help?
Joel
>Some >dentists do polish teeth while others dont. I wouldnt worry about it [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> > >> > Gail Peter Meiers - 28 Sep 2004 20:26 GMT > >Using flouride on your teeth will help re-mineralize them. > > How would flour possibly help? Perhaps some dentists use the flour with the somewhat higher mineral (ash) content?
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Joel M. Eichen - 28 Sep 2004 21:45 GMT >> >Using flouride on your teeth will help re-mineralize them. >> >> How would flour possibly help? > >Perhaps some dentists use the flour with the somewhat higher mineral >(ash) content? How do you keep the grittiness at bay?
Joel
W_B - 29 Sep 2004 21:19 GMT >> >Using flouride on your teeth will help re-mineralize them. >> >> How would flour possibly help? > >Perhaps some dentists use the flour with the somewhat higher mineral >(ash) content? And some just have a higher 'a.s' content. 8^]] --
W_B
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Joel M. Eichen - 29 Sep 2004 21:59 GMT >>> >Using flouride on your teeth will help re-mineralize them. >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >And some just have a higher 'a.s' content. 8^]] I think there is a website for that .....
Peter Meiers - 28 Sep 2004 20:31 GMT
> Using flouride on your teeth will help re-mineralize them. Some > dentists do polish teeth while others dont. I wouldnt worry about it > to much as long as your teeth got cleaned and look good. ... no matter in what condition the rest of the body is.
You are free to not worry about anything. Many people are likewise indifferent. There are others who have a definite personal opinion and who would like to have their choice.
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Joel M. Eichen - 28 Sep 2004 21:52 GMT >> Using flouride on your teeth will help re-mineralize them. Some >> dentists do polish teeth while others dont. I wouldnt worry about it >> to much as long as your teeth got cleaned and look good. > >... no matter in what condition the rest of the body is. This is not sci.med.body ........
>You are free to not worry about anything. Many people are likewise >indifferent. >There are others who have a definite personal opinion and who would like >to have their choice. Peter Meiers - 28 Sep 2004 22:45 GMT > >> dentists do polish teeth while others dont. I wouldnt worry about it > >> to much as long as your teeth got cleaned and look good. > > > >... no matter in what condition the rest of the body is. > > This is not sci.med.body ........ This is almost exactly the what Trendley Dean once realized after one of his reports to the Surgeon General:
"Is mottled enamel merely an oral manifestation of a general toxicity or something similar? The hair of some of these mottled enamel cases is unusually coarse, almost like horse hair. Finger nails are apparently not normal. Two of the three local physicians state that there is apparently an unusually large account of skin disorders among those using the city water supply. Future surveys will attempt to obtain this additional dermatological data in order to determine whether it correlates with the mottled enamel."
Instead of a follow up he somehow realized "This is not sci.med.body". Dentistry is not medicine. Too long was the fight to separate the two, to revive the old problem and now allow an intervention by medicine.
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