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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / March 2005Are Implants Guaranteed?
http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm Looks like this place does. *Providing the patient is compliant with the recommended maintainence "cleaning" schedule. It is spelled 'maintenance' but close enough. A guarantee is only as good as the person making it. Implants should be guaranteed for a long time but then again so should the life of my car seeing as how it cost alot more. jwn dds > http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm > > Looks like this place does. > *Providing the patient is compliant with the recommended maintainence > "cleaning" schedule. > > It is spelled 'maintenance' but close enough. A guarantee is only as good > as the person making it. Implants should be guaranteed for a long time but > then again so should the life of my car seeing as how it cost alot more. Implants are probably worth more than your car. > jwn dds > > > http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm > > > > Looks like this place does. >Implants are probably worth more than your car. BUT LESS useful for getting around town ...... Find me a brand new car that sells for $850 with a lifetime guarantee. Or are you referring to good oral health vs. a car. I can tell you that most people do not agree with you on an implant being worth more than a car. Sorry. jwn dds > > *Providing the patient is compliant with the recommended maintainence > > "cleaning" schedule. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > > > Looks like this place does. >Find me a brand new car that sells for $850 with a lifetime guarantee. Or >are you referring to good oral health vs. a car. I can tell you that most >people do not agree with you on an implant being worth more than a car. >Sorry. > >jwn dds FUNNY! Find me a car that can be manufactured (installed) in 30 minutes! >> > *Providing the patient is compliant with the recommended maintainence >> > "cleaning" schedule. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > > >> > > Looks like this place does. >>Find me a brand new car that sells for $850 with a lifetime guarantee. Or >>are you referring to good oral health vs. a car. I can tell you that most [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Find me a car that can be manufactured (installed) in 30 minutes! About the warranty ...... where does the patient have to go for the "lube job" to keep the warranty in effect? JOEL Yeah funny thing about the website warranty is that they can claim at any time the patient didn't keep it clean... it is always the bacterias fault isn't it? > >>Find me a brand new car that sells for $850 with a lifetime guarantee. Or > >>are you referring to good oral health vs. a car. I can tell you that most [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > JOEL >Yeah funny thing about the website warranty is that they can claim at any >time the patient didn't keep it clean... it is always the bacterias fault >isn't it? Correct. Joel > >Yeah funny thing about the website warranty is that they can claim at any > >time the patient didn't keep it clean... it is always the bacterias fault > >isn't it? No not correct. If you have them cleaned 2x a year by a qualified practitioner it's covered. I read somewhere that upper implants are 90% successful and lower 95%. Besides most people getting implants are probably over 50 so how long do they really have to last? Avg male=72,female=80 with a certain% dying long before these ages. So how much is it really costing them to redo an implant occasionally? > Correct. > > Joel They are making a good bet. No question there. Implants are very reliable. jwn dds > > >Yeah funny thing about the website warranty is that they can claim at any > > >time the patient didn't keep it clean... it is always the bacterias fault [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > Joel >They are making a good bet. No question there. Implants are very reliable. > >jwn dds Yeah, but I am hearing abour more and more failures ...... kinda like eveything else I guess. As more people get into it, things change. Possibly case selection is becoming broader ,,, who knows. I doubt it is the FAILURE of the patient to see a dental hygienist that causes the failure. In some cases, it appears that the entire implant is de-osseointegrating ... anyone see that? JOEL >> > >Yeah funny thing about the website warranty is that they can claim at >any [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> > >> > Joel Find me a handful of patients who would take an implant over a brand new car. Maybe I'm just presenting it poorly to them. I need the brochures showing the wonderful sunroof options. jwn dds > >Find me a brand new car that sells for $850 with a lifetime guarantee. Or > >are you referring to good oral health vs. a car. I can tell you that most [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >> > > > >> > > Looks like this place does. >Find me a handful of patients who would take an implant over a brand new >car. Maybe I'm just presenting it poorly to them. I need the brochures >showing the wonderful sunroof options. How many bus tokens do you include with the implant? JOEL >jwn dds > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >> > > >> >> > > Looks like this place does. lol > >Find me a handful of patients who would take an implant over a brand new > >car. Maybe I'm just presenting it poorly to them. I need the brochures [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Looks like this place does. > http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm > > Looks like this place does. And they're $850 each when you more than 7 done. http://loose-dentures.com/costs_of_dental_implants.htm PRICE IS RIGHT ....... I saw this ad before so they do lots of marketing ...... Joel >> http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://loose-dentures.com/costs_of_dental_implants.htm > PRICE IS RIGHT ....... I saw this ad before so they do lots of > marketing ...... No they don't, I was just reposting it to show that competent and efficient surgeons can do multiple implants at a reasonable price. > Joel > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > >http://loose-dentures.com/costs_of_dental_implants.htm >> PRICE IS RIGHT ....... I saw this ad before so they do lots of >> marketing ...... > >No they don't, I was just reposting it to show that competent and efficient >surgeons can do multiple implants at a reasonable price. OK thanks. That's why it looks familiar! Joel > > PRICE IS RIGHT ....... I saw this ad before so they do lots of > > marketing ...... > > No they don't, I was just reposting it to show that competent and efficient > surgeons can do multiple implants at a reasonable price. And a Will for $100.00 - found it in the Yellow Pages. Why pay more? carabelli >> > PRICE IS RIGHT ....... I saw this ad before so they do lots of >> > marketing ...... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >carabelli Good one ... but you can do a will yourself and save the $100. IMPLANTS ... harder by yourself. > > > PRICE IS RIGHT ....... I saw this ad before so they do lots of > > > marketing ...... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And a Will for $100.00 - found it in the Yellow Pages. Why pay more? Correct. You can do a Will for nothing. > carabelli >> And a Will for $100.00 - found it in the Yellow Pages. Why pay more? > >Correct. You can do a Will for nothing. And it may be worth nothing, depending on your state. WITNESSES, etc. >> carabelli > >> And a Will for $100.00 - found it in the Yellow Pages. Why pay more? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > WITNESSES, etc. Joel, you really have to lay off the gas. Either that or you're so bored you have to reply to every post. I assumed people would understand things like witnesses, notarized etc without having to spell everything out in detail. > >> carabelli > > >> And a Will for $100.00 - found it in the Yellow Pages. Why pay more? > > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > have to reply to every post. I assumed people would understand things like > witnesses, notarized etc without having to spell everything out in detail. You over estimate the intelligence of the American public - with respect to both dentistry and the law. I re-learn every day that you cannot explain things simply enough And, WAHB (with a humble bow), I'm more than pretty good at explaining without using dentalese with my patients. Do you practice law now? carabelli Dentist says, "I placed resorbable sutures" Patient asks, "When do I come back to get the stitches out?" Dentist says, "I will restore the tooth with a bonded composite restoration" Patient asks, "Can I have a white filling?" Dentist says, "I can crown the abutment teeth and cement a fixed bridge" Patient asks, "Does that go in and out?" Ad infinitum, Fawks >>>>>And a Will for $100.00 - found it in the Yellow Pages. Why pay more? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > carabelli I agree. I am always amazed that something that appears simple (because I have been talking about it and doing it for 40 years) is mysterious to someone else! JOEL >You over estimate the intelligence of the American public - with respect to >both dentistry and the law. I re-learn every day that you cannot explain [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >carabelli > I agree. I am always amazed that something that appears simple > (because I have been talking about it and doing it for 40 years) is > mysterious to someone else! > > JOEL Thin ice Joel - someone is going to call you a suck up. carabelli >> >> And a Will for $100.00 - found it in the Yellow Pages. Why pay more? >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >have to reply to every post. I assumed people would understand things like >witnesses, notarized etc without having to spell everything out in detail. THE POINT is that the reason you pay a lawyer is not for supplying the pen and the paper. You pay the lawyer to supply the knowledge of the state law. You may possess that knowledge, but not every layman does! JOEL AD HOMINEM gas phraseology is weak! Biut I can still smell it from here ....... NOT REALLY ........ From the page ....... **The above fees do not include the cost of any bone grafting, sinus augmentations, extractions, or crowns. Any prosthetic treatment ( crowns or denture fabrication will need to be completed by a restorative dentist). * Upon approval Our office will work with your existing dentist or if you don't have one we will help you find one. ********************************************** DEWEY, CHEATUM, and HOWE Jewelers 6-carat diamond ring ........ flawless ...... $5,000. **The above fees do not include the cost of any sunglasses, necessary to prevent eye damage from the sparkle from the gem. Eyeglasses must be purchased at time of diamond purchase. Eyeglasses start at $85,000. **************************************** >> http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://loose-dentures.com/costs_of_dental_implants.htm > NOT REALLY ........ > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > to prevent eye damage from the sparkle from the gem. Eyeglasses must > be purchased at time of diamond purchase. Eyeglasses start at $85,000. Joel really has to stop sniffing that gas LOL > **************************************** > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > >http://loose-dentures.com/costs_of_dental_implants.htm >Joel really has to stop sniffing that gas LOL Its the same concept! One lovely New Jersey dentist around here charges $550 for a beautiful crown. But the day you show up, there is an additional $200 tooth preparation charge, there is an analgesia charge ...... etc. JOEL >>NOT REALLY ........ >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>> >>>http://loose-dentures.com/costs_of_dental_implants.htm no >http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm > >Looks like this place does. GIMMICK. Sure they can warranty their product .. they can replace them "at cost." This is unethical by the way .... Joel > >http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Because of our proven track record of clinical success, our doctors and the dental implant manufactures we use are proud to lead the dental industry by offering a Lifetime Warranty on our dental implants. This program is designed to give our patients the added security of knowing that only the best treatments and products are being used. If the implant does not osseointegrate and causes prosthetic failure, the implant will be replaced at no additional charge. *Providing the patient is compliant with the recommended maintainence "cleaning" schedule. >>Because of our proven track record of clinical success, our doctors and the >dental implant manufactures we use are proud to lead the dental industry by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >osseointegrate and causes prosthetic failure, the implant will be replaced >at no additional charge. REPLY This has nothing to do with why implants fail ....... As for low cost, they are aggregating high end services, hind of like Lasik Eye jobs and Botox ..... No mystery there at all. It is unethical to ADVERTISE in this manner ... it is also misleading ....... >This program is >designed to give our patients the added security of knowing that only the >best treatments and products are being used. This says nothing. It in no way provides "added security." Its GIMMICKY. It accentuates the gullibility of the American public and the GUILE of the profession. Far better to get a referral from the restoring doctor. The $850 per tooth does not include the "CROWN" so where are you with a hunk of titianium sitting under your gum? JOEL Joel > >>Because of our proven track record of clinical success, our doctors and the > >dental implant manufactures we use are proud to lead the dental industry by [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > The $850 per tooth does not include the "CROWN" so where are you with > a hunk of titianium sitting under your gum? I think I pointed out that this price was only for 7 or more implants, the price for 1 is $1750. The abutment, post and restoration is of course additional as is any other treatment,x-rays,CAT scan or drugs etc. a patient may require. It is the price of the implant only. > JOEL > > Joel > ....... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > My dentist charges 1500.00 for an implant and abutment. The crown is another 900.00. Florida. What type of warranty do the restorative dentist on this board offer in the case of failures? Particularly, full restorative cases involving $15,000 or more. >> My dentist charges 1500.00 for an implant and abutment. The crown is another 900.00. Florida. > > What type of warranty do the restorative dentist on this board offer in the > case of failures? Particularly, full restorative cases involving $15,000 or more. In many states it is illegal to 'warranty' and medical treatment including dental treatment. Wouldn't it be nice if you could get a 'warranty' on bypass surgery failure ? If the patient dies s/he gets reincarnated as the surgeon, and the doc forfeits their life. We ain't talking auto parts here. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE > >> My dentist charges 1500.00 for an implant and abutment. The crown is another 900.00. Florida. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Wouldn't it be nice if you could get a 'warranty' on > bypass surgery failure ? > We ain't talking auto parts here. ======================================= Wouldn't it be nice if you could get a 'warranty' on > bypass surgery failure ? A close friend of mine had bypass 3 months ago. Total bill $149,000 for 6 days in the hospital. Bypass only, was 55,000.00. His portion after insurance was 8600.00. While they definetly didn't "guarantee" the results, the bulk of potential financial loss was absorbed by his insurance. $8600.00 out of pocket,which he will die if he doesn't have.. No money back if it fails. $23,000-$30,000 out of pocket, for implants, grafts, etc. for a full upper restoration. No money back, if they fail. $8600.00 to hopefully extend life, is worth the financial risk to most with no regrets. $30,000.00 in potential financial loss is more than the majority can afford to lose to try to regain the ability to eat normally again. So, they suffer with what they have. > $30,000.00 in potential financial loss is more than the majority can afford > to lose to try to regain the ability to eat normally again. > So, they suffer with what they have. Cry me a river. BTW it's an *investment* in quality of life. For perspective $30K will buy you *one* decent automobile. -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE >> $30,000.00 in potential financial loss is more than the majority can afford >> to lose to try to regain the ability to eat normally again. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >For perspective $30K will buy you *one* decent automobile. Or a very cool customized Harley! Joel >>> $30,000.00 in potential financial loss is more than the majority can afford >>> to lose to try to regain the ability to eat normally again. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Joel Oooh yessss -- W_B wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Take out the G'RBAGE Catchy lifetime guarantee with 2 distinct components. Free replacement for failure to osseointgrate. Free replacement *Providing the patient is compliant with the recommended maintenance "cleaning" schedule. Little risk for the practitioner.  SignatureRoy DotSeaEh is .ca | > >http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm | > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] | *Providing the patient is compliant with the recommended maintainence | "cleaning" schedule. NICE DRAWINGS for right-clickers like me! Joel *** (The only time I was glad I did not right-click so fast was the case of the THREE MONKEYS (not to be confused with the Twelve Monkeys) http://loose-dentures.com/costs_of_dental_implants.htm http://loose-dentures.com/costs_of_dental_implants.htm >http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm > >Looks like this place does. Nope, no guarantees with health care treatments ....... EXCEPT JAN and her root-canal-is-poison theory. That is GUARANTEED lunacy. Joel This phrase is of course IGNORANT: Dental Implant Treatment Options and Fee's ************************************* >http://loose-dentures.com/our_warrany.htm > >Looks like this place does. |
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