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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / September 2006Cariogenicity of DIET Mountain Dew
Anyone have any info/ideas/speculations regarding heavy use (2 liters /day) of said soft drink? Can the acid potentially cause caries in an otherwise sugar-free diet? As an aside, what do you think about the caffeine content vis ? vis coffee in similar amounts? >Anyone have any info/ideas/speculations regarding heavy use (2 liters /day) >of said soft drink? Can the acid potentially cause caries in an otherwise >sugar-free diet? I say no, others will say yes ...... JOEL > As an aside, what do you think about the caffeine content >vis à vis coffee in similar amounts? More caffeine. You will keep your dentist very busy for a long time.  Signature`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~ Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan USA =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= . > Anyone have any info/ideas/speculations regarding heavy use (2 liters /day) > of said soft drink? Can the acid potentially cause caries in an otherwise > sugar-free diet? As an aside, what do you think about the caffeine content > vis à vis coffee in similar amounts? In dentistry up here in WI we have an unofficial term we use - Mountain Dew Mouth. Characterized by dental decay on the facial surfaces of the teeth, usually near the gum line and works it way to towards the cutting surface of the front teeth. As that decay slowly progresses we also see poppyseed decay appear between the front teeth. (looks like a poppyseed is really a hole) Other parts of the country call it Pepsi Mouth, or Cola Mouth. It's devistating, and to repair can easily cost as much as a good used car. If you MUST drink it: Drink it all in one sitting, drink it fast, use a straw Brush 3x/day until all the stuff that looks or feels like paste is off your teeth Use topical fluoride at home Don't rinse the toothpaste off your teeth when your done brushing See your dental team four times a year set aside a fund to pay for dental repairs Get a power toothbrush Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes." - P. J. O'Rourke ~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp Mounting Drew? > In dentistry up here in WI we have an unofficial term we use - Mountain Dew > Mouth. Characterized by dental decay on the facial surfaces of the teeth, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > ~~~~~~~~~ > http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp >Mounting Drew? Certainly a disease causing process. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com Caffeine-wise, Mountain Dew contains 37 mg per 8 oz, whereas coffee contains 40-180 mg per 8 oz. Apparently, the average for brewed/drip method is 85 mg, while the average for brewed/percolator is 80 mg. Instant coffee is about 75 mg. In other words, 2 liters of mountain dew equals approximately 1 liter of coffee. I think Shirley might be referring to ordinary Mountain Dew in her post, rather than the Diet variety? It's more likely to cause erosion rather than decay, as far as I'm aware. >I think Shirley might be referring to ordinary Mountain Dew in her >post, rather than the Diet variety? It's more likely to cause erosion >rather than decay, as far as I'm aware. NOPE, both regular and diet. Here's the chain: Soda low pH (diet or regular) Cariogenic bacteria thrive in low pH Thriving bacteria produce more acids Acids distroy enamel It ain't about the sugar. A tooth in a bag of sugar will remain in tact. A tooth in a bath of any low pH liquid will disappear. Shirley Gutkowski, RDH, BSDH "Everbody wants to save the earth - nobody wants to help Mom to do the dishes." - P. J. O'Rourke ~~~~~~~~~ http://www.dentistry.com/poralhealth_02.asp >It ain't about the sugar. A tooth in a bag of sugar will remain in tact. >A tooth in a bath of any low pH liquid will disappear. Haven't seen 'Mythbusters' ? They did this one using cola. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com > It ain't about the sugar. A tooth in a bag of sugar will remain in tact. As long as it remains dry. Add water and you will see what happens. Acid formed in the saliva might cause erosion. Bacterial plaque on the teeth, nourished by sugar, will cause cavities -> dental caries. Signature-History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation-: --- http://PMeiers.bei.t-online.de/index.htm --- ------------------------------------------------- I do not think wet or dy, it matters .......... after all, its sugar! JOEL Wet sugar and/or dry sugar will follow the Second Law of Thermodynamics with regards combining with other compounds. Entropy of the closed system should not increase or decrease. >> It ain't about the sugar. A tooth in a bag of sugar will remain in tact. > >As long as it remains dry. Add water and you will see what happens. >Acid formed in the saliva might cause erosion. Bacterial plaque on the >teeth, nourished by sugar, will cause cavities -> dental caries. > I do not think wet or dy, it matters .......... after all, its sugar! Sometimes I DO think :-) Peter Signature-History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation-: --- http://PMeiers.bei.t-online.de/index.htm --- ------------------------------------------------- >> I do not think wet or dy, it matters .......... after all, its sugar! > >Sometimes I DO think :-) > >Peter ...therefore ... .you are. >>> I do not think wet or dy, it matters .......... after all, its sugar! >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >...therefore ... .you are. But only sometimes. -- W_B Take out the G'RBAGE wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com >>>> I do not think wet or dy, it matters .......... after all, its sugar! >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >But only sometimes. Cogito Ergo Pepsi. > >>> I do not think wet or dy, it matters .......... after all, its sugar! > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > W_B Only if you're online. carabelli I think I can settle the question about diet vs. sugared colas. When my son was in 7th grade, he did a science fair project on the effects of chemicals on teeth. I drove to two oral surgeon's offices where my son collected twelve teeth. The teeth all looked like molars to my untrained eye, and were approximately the same size. At home my son filled one glass half full of water, one with Coke, one with Diet Coke, and one with Real Lemon brand lemon juice. He then dropped three teeth into each of the glasses. Lemon juice completely dissolved the teeth in about three days. No surprise. In about ten days the teeth in Coke and Diet Coke got soft an mushy, although they did not completely disolve. My son (and I) expected the teeth in Coke to fall apart faster than the ones in Diet Coke, but that was not the case. Coke and Diet Coke are equally bad for teeth. Dentists could set up this experiment in their waiting rooms, (or photos of it), to educate patients. > It ain't about the sugar. A tooth in a bag of sugar will remain in tact. Sure. In tact, up and down, singing "toothie in the bag - oobie-doobie-doo baby - toothie in the bag ...." Signature-History of fluorine, fluoride and fluoridation-: --- http://PMeiers.bei.t-online.de/index.htm --- ------------------------------------------------- Then the group would seem to concur that DIET soft drinks are as cariogenic as regular soft drinks. I thought that the bacteria needed a substrate i.e. sugar and then generated their own low pH. Any cariologists out there? The cariologists are all at a heart convention .......... they misread the flyer and sent their money in too quickly. JOEL PS- I agree with you. Without bacteria, no problem! >Then the group would seem to concur that DIET soft drinks are as cariogenic >as regular soft drinks. I thought that the bacteria needed a substrate i.e. >sugar and then generated their own low pH. Any cariologists out there? If you have a perfectly clean mouth,,,,, no, soda pop will not rot your teeth. But, if you have a bit of dental plaque stuck to your teeth which is not being removed daily, then soda pop will greatly accelerate the decay process. Many soda pops have a pH almost identical to vinegar. Ever do the lab experiment where you soak a raw egg in vinegar overnight, then push it through the neck of a pop bottle with out breaking it? Bacterial plaque create decay by metabolizing carbohydrates, such as glucose, into various compounds and excreting an acid. The acid eats a hole in the tooth. Soak the plaque in lots of strong acid, and there is just much more acid there to do the work. Signature~+--~+--~+--~+--~+-- Stephen Mancuso, D.D.S. Troy, Michigan, USA .................................................... This posting is intended for informational or conversational purposes only. Always seek the opinion of a licensed dental professional before acting on the advice or opinion expressed here. Only a dentist who has examined you in person can diagnose your problems and make decisions which will affect your health. ...................... > The cariologists are all at a heart convention .......... they misread > the flyer and sent their money in too quickly. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >as regular soft drinks. I thought that the bacteria needed a substrate i.e. > >sugar and then generated their own low pH. Any cariologists out there? >If you have a perfectly clean mouth,,,,, no, soda pop will not rot your >teeth. But, if you have a bit of dental plaque stuck to your teeth which is >not being removed daily, then soda pop will greatly accelerate the decay >process. Many soda pops have a pH almost identical to vinegar. Ever do the >lab experiment where you soak a raw egg in vinegar overnight, then push it >through the neck of a pop bottle with out breaking it? Wow. Is that how they do that? Someone told me they had the chicken sitting on top of the soda bottle when she hatched the egg. JOEL > Bacterial plaque >create decay by metabolizing carbohydrates, such as glucose, into various >compounds and excreting an acid. The acid eats a hole in the tooth. Soak >the plaque in lots of strong acid, and there is just much more acid there to >do the work. No. 'Course I may not be in the group<G>. Fawks > Then the group would seem to concur that DIET soft drinks are as cariogenic > as regular soft drinks. |
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