About 4 weeks ago the gum area below a lower front (actually two to
the left of the left front tooth) tooth became sore and inflamed.
This continued without subsiding for over 10 days, with the pain
constantly present but ebbing and flowing a bit. I saw a dentist in
Eastern Europe (whwre I have been living) and was told a root canal
and then apiectomy would be required.
I had the root canal (which was done without anaestesia and without
pain, apparently because the root was no longer vital). I went to a
second dentist for another opinion, and she suggested that I wait a
bit for the antibitics (Augmentin) to work, and either then have the
apiectomy, or see if it might no longer be needed. Things seemed to
improve, and five days later she temporarily closed the tooth. Pain
and severe swelling ensued again, and I was given another course of
antibiotics. Things improved significantly, but 10 days later, as I
was traveling in Italy, the severe pain and swelling started again,
and I could see and actually "pop' a small pustule in the gum beneath
the tooth.
Back in Eastern Europe, I was referred to an endodontist who said she
could do a procedure not generally performed, but which she
specialized in, to remove the infection through the tooth, rather than
having an apiectomy done. She did so, seemingly doing a very deep
root canal procedure using the thin root canal "threaded needles".
The procedure was largely painless. It is now the day after, and I'm
experiencing pain and deep sensitivity and "tightness". I have now
been told to take amoxycillan or cefalexin.
I would value any perspective anyone might have on this
odyssey,specifically whether a.)what the procedure I just had (in lieu
of the apiectomy) might have been, b.) is there harm in taking more
antibiotics and is cephalexin or amoxycillan appropriate and c.) is
substantial pain and sensitivity after this procedure to be expected?
I apologize for the length of this post, and I would very very much
appreciate any thoughts that members of this group might have. Thanks
so much.
StovePipe - 28 Mar 2004 16:25 GMT
> I would value any perspective anyone might have on this
> odyssey,specifically whether a.)what the procedure I just had (in lieu
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> appreciate any thoughts that members of this group might have. Thanks
> so much.
I would tell you to give the antibiotics a couple of days to work, and
take some antiinflamatory medication in the meantime. A bit of cold
compress on the cheek over the area is also not a bad idea. Check back
with your practitioner Monday or Tuesday by phone and decide from there.
Hope this helps
SP

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mfy - 29 Mar 2004 20:11 GMT
Thank you very much to StovePipe for the helpful information. It
seems a bit difficult to sustain a discussion in the group that
doesn't devolve to a matter of polemics, rather than substance or
assistance. In any case, thanks again.
StovePipe - 31 Mar 2004 01:29 GMT
> Thank you very much to StovePipe for the helpful information. It
> seems a bit difficult to sustain a discussion in the group that
> doesn't devolve to a matter of polemics, rather than substance or
> assistance. In any case, thanks again.
You're quite welcome. Glad to help out when I can. En Passant, how did
it go?
Cheers!
SP

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>Subject: Complex Post Root Canal Issue / Alternative to Apiectomy
>From: newexplorer99@hotmail.com (mfy)
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>appreciate any thoughts that members of this group might have. Thanks
>so much.
It's a bit late for you, but others can take a lesson from your misfortune.
Read and don't let this happen to you.
Also ignore Happy Oyster.
http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm
http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm
http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html
http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html
http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm
http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm
http://www.cfsn.com/maz/
http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html
http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm
http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm
http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html
http://www.toothwisdom.net/
http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html
http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html
http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm
http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html
Root Canals. A tooth has miles of tiny canals running through the root. A dead
or root filled tooth will have bacteria in these canals. There is no way of
removing the bacteria once they are in there.
http://www.toothwisdom.net/
Toxicity from Root Canals
The next subject to be discussed are root canals and their possible source of
toxicity. Approximately twenty five million Americans undergo root canal
therapy every year in an effort to prevent the loss of teeth that have
abscessed. The root canal is the left portion of the tooth which houses the
vital organs such as the nerve and blood vessels. The dentist endeavors to
clean and sterilize this canal and fill it with a sterile, non toxic inert
material. This usually renders this tooth serviceable and non painful; however,
the entire inner hard core of the tooth is made of dentin which has several
million dentinal tubules. These tubules allow the circulation of lymphatic type
fluid to circulate from the vital organs of the root canal to the outside of
the tooth. This is a viable circulatory phenomenon which has a purpose. It
services the periodontal ligament as well as the sensory aspect of the nerve
and blood centers in the root canal. If the body chemistry is healthy, the flow
of lymphatic fluid is from the root canal to the outside of the tooth. This
creates an irrigation for the tooth and usually prevents the accumulation of
plaque to form. When the body chemistry is not healthy, then the circulation is
from the outside of the tooth to the inner root canal. This allows for no
irrigation, but rather an accumulation of plaque to form. There are many more
reasons for maintaining the integrity of the circulation in the dentinal
tubules. Root canal therapy completely destroys this integrity, and what
happens to the non-circulating fluid in these tubules? This fluid as it ages
becomes stagnant and becomes a toxic substance. This porous structure now
becomes a septic mass emanating poisons into the body. Is this what you want?
Mercury amalgams are said to be the caskets of the body. Root canals are said
to be the cadavers of the body.
I do not recommend root canals for anyone. Each individual has a right to their
decisions. Many people simply do not wish to lose a member of their body. I
respect this, and I always discuss the consequences.
The next area of discussion is whether the root canal filling actually
sterilizes the apical end of the tooth. There are so many lateral canals at the
root end of the tooth where bacteria can harbor that it is unlikely that a
complete aseptic condition exists. This, however, is a debateable subject.
Again, the complete acceptance of root canal therapy as a viable substitution
for extraction is completely and whole heartedly supported by organized
dentistry. You are in violation of the code of ethics if you speak out against
root canal therapy. When I was a practicing dentist, I always let the patient
make that decision after explaining all pros and cons.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
>California Judge Approves Landmark Warning on Mercury Use in Dentistry.
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Jan
Happy Oyster - 29 Mar 2004 00:43 GMT
>Also ignore Happy Oyster.
Why so ? Because I maintain the FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for
quackery :
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
This is, what the quacks and charlatans can't stand : that people can
learn about the crimes of the naturopath mafia.
Did I say, that this is only the beginning ? Well, it is... ;O)
Tough times ahead for the mobsters in medicine...
Regards,
Aribert Deckers

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>Subject: Re: Complex Post Root Canal Issue / Alternative to Apiectomy
>From: Happy Oyster happy.oyster@ariplex.com
>Date: 3/28/2004 3:43 PM Pacific Standard Time
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>>Also ignore Happy Oyster.
He is a wacko who lies and can't tell a woman from a man.
He needs help.
Jan
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 29 Mar 2004 12:34 GMT
He is allowing for all the cross-dressers on the internet .....
>>Subject: Re: Complex Post Root Canal Issue / Alternative to Apiectomy
>>From: Happy Oyster happy.oyster@ariplex.com
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>Jan
Happy Oyster - 30 Mar 2004 16:47 GMT
>>Subject: Re: Complex Post Root Canal Issue / Alternative to Apiectomy
>>From: Happy Oyster happy.oyster@ariplex.com
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>Jan
I can prove, what I say. And I can prove, that Jan Drew is an insane
liar. Just in a few days I collected lots of pieces of proof and put
them in a" FAQ about Jan Drew's advertzing for quackery" :
http://www.geocities.com/naturopathicmafia/Quackery.html
So the readers can see, how with his very own words Jan Drew confesses
his lies.
Regards,
Aribert Deckers

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Krzysztof Polanowski - 29 Mar 2004 17:36 GMT
Yes,yes !!!!!!! I am living in East Europe HURAAAAAAAAA!!!! seriously
Everything depends on what kind of treatmenbt was done.First of all I
preffer to treat endo during one visit --it takes some time of course .The
most important things is mechanical preparation -- for exemple VDW,K3 or
,Profile systems with lubricants and chemical washing-- 5% Naohcl (I dont
like chemistry) ,40% citronium acid,98% izopropanol .Some folks are using
EDTA or Chlorchexidinium 2% becouse of fusobacterium,,,,, after that if you
make your job properly Its time to fill up the root--- more thechics etc for
exemple guttapecha and Grossman--- ITs favourite stuff of Joel or others
Ah-plus etc
next rtg for confirmation (during treatment Its safe to use
microscope,enometers or digital X ray or common x-ray)
and JOB IS DONE ___SIMPLY THE BEST OF TINA TURNER
regards K.polanowski DDS
> About 4 weeks ago the gum area below a lower front (actually two to
> the left of the left front tooth) tooth became sore and inflamed.
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> appreciate any thoughts that members of this group might have. Thanks
> so much.