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Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 14 Mar 2004 18:15 GMT
Try out this site!

http://dentalfearcentral.tripod.com/
Lets Connect - 19 Mar 2004 03:52 GMT
I've revised the website since, it's still far from complete, but I'd
be grateful for any feedback and constructive, as well as destructive,
criticism. I'd be especially interested in finding out if dentists
feel that the content of the site comes across as patronizing or
blatantly obvious to anyone who has studied dentistry. It can be hard
to know; I've received conflicting information. It would be great if
you could read all the completed and under development sections, and
then leave your comments, here or by private e-mail.
Cheers!
Roy Brown - 19 Mar 2004 05:35 GMT
Thanks, but no thanks. tripod is just too annoying to even consider checking
out your site.

--
Roy
DotSeaEh is .ca

| I've revised the website since, it's still far from complete, but I'd
| be grateful for any feedback and constructive, as well as destructive,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
| then leave your comments, here or by private e-mail.
| Cheers!
W_B - 19 Mar 2004 06:00 GMT
>Thanks, but no thanks. tripod is just too annoying to even consider checking
>out your site.

At least it wasn't geo-shitties
;-]]

--

W_B

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wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
W_B - 19 Mar 2004 05:50 GMT
>I've revised the website since, it's still far from complete, but I'd
>be grateful for any feedback and constructive, as well as destructive,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>then leave your comments, here or by private e-mail.
>Cheers!

Greetings 'Lets Connect',

You make fun of dentists and portray them as buffoons.
There are unfortunately some in the dental profession
who fit into that category,  and think it funny and entertaining.

I, for one, do not appreciate your attempted humor at the expense of
the dental profession. In fact, I condemn your use of buffoonery
to further your supposed 'career'.

There are no 'cheers' from me for your misguided attempt at making
"the dentist" a fearful character, a buffoon, or any other comical character.
You are implored to cease and desist from portraying practitioners of the
dental arts as such.

The modern treatment of dental practice and esthetics has gone far beyond the old
perceptions as you have portrayed the profession.

If you have a DDS/DMD degree, and are a licensed dentist;
I condemn your actions, website, and your feeble attempt at
demeaning the entire dental profession.

Your blatant lack of professionalism in your current dental web endeavor
speaks volumes about your lack of character, respect, and honor
for for the history of the dental profession.

Am sure that my above statements shall ring as true, and perfectly
clear as per your request.

If you wish further analysis please feel free to contact me privately.

No Regards,

--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE for e-mail
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Lets Connect - 19 Mar 2004 12:40 GMT
Thanks W_B,
I wouldn't mind some further analysis. As I have no intention of
giving up on the site's basic concept, is there anything, in your
opinion, that would make it more attractive to readers like yourself?
Bear in mind it's only a draft at this stage.
I'd be grateful if you could e-mail me at
dentalfearcentral@yahoo.co.uk.
Many thanks!
W_B - 19 Mar 2004 14:55 GMT
>Thanks W_B,
>I wouldn't mind some further analysis. As I have no intention of
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>dentalfearcentral@yahoo.co.uk.
>Many thanks!

OK

Further analysis:
Use of copyrighted materials on a website, without express written permission,
is an actionable cause of copyright infringement and may carry significant
monetary and other penalties.

My e-mail contact info is contained in many of my postings,
including this one.
You may contact me.

Class dismissed,

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W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE for e-mail
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Lets Connect - 19 Mar 2004 19:52 GMT
Will be removed first thing tomorrow! I didn't realize that usenet
discussion was copyrighted material. Apologies! If you're referring to
the cartoons, I tried to contact the cartoonists concerned, but none
of them responded.
Cheers!

> OK
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Class dismissed,
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 19 Mar 2004 22:23 GMT
Before one gets carried away, the Copyright Law of 1979 has plenty of
Fair Trade usage exceptions.

Besides, what counts with copyright is who makes money from it.

!. I can tape and show a group of friends a movie.
2. I cannot charge money and/or popcorn for same.

JOEL

>Will be removed first thing tomorrow! I didn't realize that usenet
>discussion was copyrighted material. Apologies! If you're referring to
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>>
>> Class dismissed,
Lets Connect - 20 Mar 2004 01:49 GMT
Is usenet discussion copyrighted material? Just wondering. I might leave it in.
W_B - 20 Mar 2004 02:16 GMT
>Is usenet discussion copyrighted material? Just wondering. I might leave it in.

Sometimes, but not usually.
I was referring to the cartoons.
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE for e-mail
wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com
Lets Connect - 20 Mar 2004 09:51 GMT
The problem with the cartoons is that I tried to contact the
cartoonists concerned (whenever I could figure out who the cartoonist
was), asking if I could use their work on my site (I have no
commercial interests, BTW). Unfortunately, none of them responded. I'd
hate to remove them, because they appear to be a big hit with the most
vulnerable group (i. e. dental phobics) at whom the site is targeted
(helps them to relax a little and renders the subject less
frightening, or so I've been told).

> >Is usenet discussion copyrighted material? Just wondering. I might leave it in.
>
> Sometimes, but not usually.
> I was referring to the cartoons.
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 20 Mar 2004 12:22 GMT
You are one in a million, literally! There are millions of web pages
with other people's cartoons. If the owner says, "remove," then we
might suggest you do that.

The others .... no one cares .....

JOEL

>The problem with the cartoons is that I tried to contact the
>cartoonists concerned (whenever I could figure out who the cartoonist
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> Sometimes, but not usually.
>> I was referring to the cartoons.
Lets Connect - 22 Mar 2004 00:28 GMT
Thanks to both Joel and W_B,
your comments have helped me clarify potential problems with the site.
I've decided to contact the cartoonists involved again, and had some
great responses - some of them really going out of their way to help
me (colouring cartoons, providing them in the right size, etc., all
free of charge)! And this is only the weekend... didn't expect anyone
to be at work...
Cheers again, you guys are great =),
LC

> You are one in a million, literally! There are millions of web pages
> with other people's cartoons. If the owner says, "remove," then we
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> >> Sometimes, but not usually.
> >> I was referring to the cartoons.
W_B - 22 Mar 2004 00:43 GMT
>Thanks to both Joel and W_B,
>your comments have helped me clarify potential problems with the site.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Cheers again, you guys are great =),
>LC

Be sure to include the "used by permission of -------" line to
give credit where it is due.

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W_B

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Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 20 Mar 2004 03:48 GMT
Of course! Leave it in!

>Is usenet discussion copyrighted material? Just wondering. I might leave it in.
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 19 Mar 2004 13:02 GMT
Could anyone who takes issue give a specific reference? I am just
curious and of course would also like to add feedback to the author.

JOEL

>>I've revised the website since, it's still far from complete, but I'd
>>be grateful for any feedback and constructive, as well as destructive,
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
>No Regards,
Roy Brown - 20 Mar 2004 02:28 GMT
W_B,

Your description reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer accuses
Jerry of being an anti-dentite.

I thought the phrase was fictional, perhaps if this is true it is time to
invoke investigation with respect to the  various "hate crime" laws.
--
Roy
DotSeaEh is .ca

| You make fun of dentists and portray them as buffoons.
| There are unfortunately some in the dental profession
| who fit into that category,  and think it funny and entertaining.
Lets Connect - 23 Mar 2004 03:49 GMT
Dear W_B,

> You make fun of dentists and portray them as buffoons.

Wasn't my intention. Rather, I'm trying to portray dentists as human
beings.

> I, for one, do not appreciate your attempted humor at the expense of
> the dental profession. In fact, I condemn your use of buffoonery
> to further your supposed 'career'.

Which career? Is there something in the stars =) ? (I'm a Taurus,
BTW!)

> There are no 'cheers' from me for your misguided attempt at making
> "the dentist" a fearful character, a buffoon, or any other comical character.
> You are implored to cease and desist from portraying practitioners of the
> dental arts as such.

I tried not to, although I have to admit that I've met some
practioners of the noble art of dentistry in the past who would fit
the description of a "fearful character". And that's putting it VERY
mildly. Fortunately, I've had some extremely positive encounters with
dentists since. Otherwise I wouldn't have been in a position to author
the website.

> The modern treatment of dental practice and esthetics has gone far beyond the old
> perceptions as you have portrayed the profession.

Which is great for those who are fortunate enough to meet the noble
practioners who adhere to best practice. Not all of them do - you may
not believe me, but that's the way it is. Even today.

> If you have a DDS/DMD degree, and are a licensed dentist;
> I condemn your actions, website, and your feeble attempt at
> demeaning the entire dental profession.

I don't have either of those degrees, but neither do I attempt to
demean the entire dental profession. In fact, the opposite is the case
- there are a lot of dentists that I have an awful lot of respect and
admiration for!

> Your blatant lack of professionalism in your current dental web endeavor
> speaks volumes about your lack of character, respect, and honor
> for for the history of the dental profession.

There might be a reason for my "lack of honor and respect".

> Am sure that my above statements shall ring as true, and perfectly
> clear as per your request.

They've certainly been interesting. And some of them have been
helpful. I think you may have misinterpreted where I'm coming from,
though.

> If you wish further analysis please feel free to contact me privately.
> No Regards,
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S. - 23 Mar 2004 13:30 GMT
I totally missed all this and I went back to check again. Personally,
I like the website!

JOEL

>Dear W_B,
>
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>> If you wish further analysis please feel free to contact me privately.
>> No Regards,
Lets Connect - 30 Mar 2004 02:25 GMT
"I'm not sure about the valium either. i only took 5 mg but i didnt
feel one bit less scared.My biggest concern i think was the
doctor...she was very impatient when i was crying..telling me to stop
crying blah blah. I asked how people with panic disorders/phobias get
through it and she was like they just do."

I come across messages such as this one on an almost daily basis. It
upsets me a lot, that's why I decided to build Dental Fear Central.

I don't know yet how to balance the site so that it will work for both
those who suffer from dental fear or phobia and dental
students/dentists at the same time, but I'm pretty determined to find
a way. Again, constructive criticism is always welcome. But I also
realize that I can't please everyone.

> The modern treatment of dental practice and esthetics has gone far beyond the old
> perceptions as you have portrayed the profession.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> No Regards,
W_B - 30 Mar 2004 04:02 GMT
For sedations routinely use 40mg oral valium, sometimes more.
The tablets are crushed and mixed with phenergan
to reduce GI upset. Some times add a narcotic to the mix.
Have also used Ativan and Halcion.

Increased emotional response is very common with valium
and is more pronounced in young females.

It appears that your doctor has limited experience dealing
with fearful patients. At the very least, poor chairside manner.

Know that my previous posts were harsh but, seemed to be
the best way to get your attention.

No hard feelings, eh ?

>"I'm not sure about the valium either. i only took 5 mg but i didnt
>feel one bit less scared.My biggest concern i think was the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>a way. Again, constructive criticism is always welcome. But I also
>realize that I can't please everyone.

--

W_B

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Lets Connect - 30 Mar 2004 16:43 GMT
It wasn't "my doctor", but someone else's, as I mentioned above.

> Increased emotional response is very common with valium
> and is more pronounced in young females.

Maybe that's what it says in the textbooks, I don't know.

> It appears that your doctor has limited experience dealing
> with fearful patients. At the very least, poor chairside manner.

Which is one of the reasons why dentists are occasionally portrayed as
"fearful characters".

> Know that my previous posts were harsh but, seemed to be
> the best way to get your attention.

No problem, the only thing I can't figure out is why you wanted to get
my attention - or are you just referring to the cartoons? I'm curious.
This is a bit messy - the site does work for fearful/phobic people
(very positive feedback), but I'm not too sure if I'm wasting my time
on the other target group (it doesn't reach those dental
professionals/students who might benefit the most - you can lead the
horse to the water but you cannot force it to drink).

And no, no hard feelings =)
 
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