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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / January 2006Supplies and Equipment for doing own dental work
This is not a joke. Need serious answers. Looking for a disributor that will sell amalgam, compostite, portable wet drill, carbide burrs and drills of various size, root canal instruments, excavators, rongeurs, 670nm curing gun. Obvously, do not have any sort of license; perhaps out of USA firms would be good. I have over 5 years of ametuer practice; What is the current laws regarding performing dental procedures and surgery on oneself? Chucky, > This is not a joke. Need serious answers. Looking for a disributor > that will sell amalgam, compostite, portable wet drill, carbide burrs [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Chucky, I've known a couple of dentists who HAD licenses (and therefore one might think they'd know what they're doing) who attempted dentistry on themselves. One was a naval officer during WWII who claimed to have done a root canal on himself. Considering how difficult visibility of the canals can be with direct vision, doing it without direct vision seems prohibitively difficult--for a trained dentist. The other was a classmate of mine with serious emotional problems who attempted to extract one of his own teeth. I had to get him out of that mess, and believe me it wasn't easy. Legally the penalties vary from state to state. In NY State, practicing dentistry without a licence is a class E felony. Steve -- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 http://www.dentaltwins.com >> This is not a joke. Need serious answers. Looking for a disributor >> that will sell amalgam, compostite, portable wet drill, carbide burrs [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >718-258-5001 >http://www.dentaltwins.com Steve, Let me ad that one of the best dentists I knew, the late Dr. Al Charney who taught oral dx at Tufts when I was there, claims to have done #18 occlusal on himself with local anesthetic again on himself. If he said it, it is true. Great guy. I miss him. Are you finished with Invisalign? I love that class E felony talk. Reminds me of my favorite show -- Law and Order. But as I remember a class E felony is usually a walk for first offenders. Charlie Ruff, DMD Specialist in Orthodontics Diplomate American Board of Orthodontics > Steve, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Are you finished with Invisalign? Yes I am. I'm wearing the retainer, pretty much full time still. If it is out of my mouth for a few hours I can still feel some pressure when I reinsert it. OTOH, I probably need some finishing work, or at least some equilibration. I definitely have some occlusal prematurities when I first take the aligners out. The results are pretty good, but that's probably largely because we didn't try to do too much--eliminate some crowding and rotation. No attempt to correct my Cl II molar relationship. The big thing I learned is that the program as it was applied is not 100% accurate. Mark never did all the interproximal reduction called for, because we were nearing the end, and when I took my aligners out I could see diastemas opening. Obviously, with fixed appliances the orthodontist can make adjustments as needed, and if the aligners are off you can pretty much wipe your a.s with it. Overall, I have a greater appreciation for the limitations of the system. > I love that class E felony talk. Reminds me of my favorite show -- Law and > Order. But as I remember a class E felony is usually a walk for first > offenders. I remember several years ago when dentistry without a licence was upgraded from a class A misdemeanor to a class E felony. It kinda reminded me of Arlo Guthrie sitting on the group "W" bench with the "mother rapers" and "father stabbers". "What'ja do, kid?" "I got arrested for taking a shade...and creatin' a nuisance!" There was a guy who worked in my wife's real estate office until recently, who was also an actor. He played a murderer last year one episode of "Law and Order". Super nice guy. I wonder if Jerry Orbach was always bursting into song. Steve > Charlie Ruff, DMD > Specialist in Orthodontics > Diplomate American Board of Orthodontics -- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 http://www.dentaltwins.com >> Steve, >> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >718-258-5001 >http://www.dentaltwins.com our retiring DA here in Kennebec County, Maine used to work (20+ yrs ago) in NY on the Major Crimes Task Force or some such thing. Then he moved to Maine, ran for DA and took the easy way out. when his friends from Major Crimes came up to visit they used to laugh late into the night when he told them about his major crimes -- jacking deer out of season or in season at night. that's an E Felony in maine Warm regards for the Holidays guys Charlie Ruff, DMD Specialist in Orthodontics Diplomate American Board of Orthodontics > our retiring DA here in Kennebec County, Maine used to work (20+ yrs ago) in NY > on the Major Crimes Task Force or some such thing. Then he moved to Maine, ran [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Charlie Ruff, DMD Same to you, Charlie! Steve > Specialist in Orthodontics > Diplomate American Board of Orthodontics >> This is not a joke. Need serious answers. Looking for a disributor >> that will sell amalgam, compostite, portable wet drill, carbide burrs [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Steve I'll bet it's not illegal to do it on one's self, unless you charge for the service. I guess that would only be more evidence of insanity, though. Strider > I'll bet it's not illegal to do it on one's self, Well, unless one turns one's self in. Steve unless you charge > for the service. I guess that would only be more evidence of > insanity, though. > > Strider > I'll bet it's not illegal to do it on one's self, unless you charge > for the service. I guess that would only be more evidence of > insanity, though. > > Strider What to do when the check bounces? carabelli >> I'll bet it's not illegal to do it on one's self, unless you charge >> for the service. I guess that would only be more evidence of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >carabelli I guess he'd take himself to court? Could he be his own lawyer or would that cause a conflict of interest? Collecting on the check would be painful but I'd pay for a ticket to watch. Strider Even worse if you charge yourself and if you do not pay yourself, you may be forced to bring yourself into small claims court to adjudicate the matter. Oh boy, this could be a great Seinfeld skit! Joel >>> This is not a joke. Need serious answers. Looking for a disributor >>> that will sell amalgam, compostite, portable wet drill, carbide burrs [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Strider  SignatureJoel M. Eichen, . Philadelphia PA DISCLAIMER FOLLOWS: ********* Dental health-related material is provided for information purposes only and does not necessarily represent endorsement by or an official position of the SciMedDentistry gang or any other official agency either actual or fictitious or Steve Mancuso. Advice on the treatment or care of an individual patient should be obtained through consultation with a dentist who has examined that patient or is familiar with that patient's dental history. STANDARD DISCLAIMER > Even worse if you charge yourself and if you do not pay yourself, you > may be forced to bring yourself into small claims court to adjudicate > the matter. Or after suing yourself when the dental work goes wrong, you could have yourself thrown in jail. And then sue yourself for false imprisonment of the half of you that brought the original case. >> Even worse if you charge yourself and if you do not pay yourself, you >> may be forced to bring yourself into small claims court to adjudicate [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >yourself thrown in jail. And then sue yourself for false imprisonment of >the half of you that brought the original case. Schizophrenia would be helpful in this case. -- Take out the G'RBAGE to reply wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com So the lawyers would win ,,,,,, just like now! >> Even worse if you charge yourself and if you do not pay yourself, you >> may be forced to bring yourself into small claims court to adjudicate [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >yourself thrown in jail. And then sue yourself for false imprisonment of >the half of you that brought the original case. SignatureJoel M. Eichen, . Philadelphia PA DISCLAIMER FOLLOWS: ********* Dental health-related material is provided for information purposes only and does not necessarily represent endorsement by or an official position of the SciMedDentistry gang or any other official agency either actual or fictitious or Steve Mancuso. Advice on the treatment or care of an individual patient should be obtained through consultation with a dentist who has examined that patient or is familiar with that patient's dental history. STANDARD DISCLAIMER What if you filed suit againt your dentist/self insurance company, got a judgement, and got some settlement money for your pt? -- Christopher A. Young Jesus: The Reason for the Season www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <joeleichen@yahoo.com> wrote > Even worse if you charge yourself and if you do not pay yourself, you > may be forced to bring yourself into small claims court to adjudicate > the matter. Or after suing yourself when the dental work goes wrong, you could have yourself thrown in jail. And then sue yourself for false imprisonment of the half of you that brought the original case. >What if you filed suit againt your dentist/self insurance company, got a >judgement, and got some settlement money for your pt? Your insurance rates would rise? Strider Joel, its too bad they did not call you before they decided to end the show. I could see it now Kramer wants to do his own Dentistry, Gets caught by Neuman who squeels to the dental board for some postal privledges that could have been worked out. Everyone ends up in court and Jackie Chives defends Kramer. Alexander Vasserman DDS., BS. www.smilesbyalex.com > Even worse if you charge yourself and if you do not pay yourself, you > may be forced to bring yourself into small claims court to adjudicate [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > >Strider "Chuck Biscuits" <biscuits@optonline.net> wrote......... I have over 5 years of ametuer > practice............. care to elaborate? carabelli > "Chuck Biscuits" <biscuits@optonline.net> wrote......... > I have over 5 years of ametuer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > carabelli I was wondering the same thing. I never particularly thought dentistry cut it as a hobby. Steve -- Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 http://www.dentaltwins.com > I was wondering the same thing. I never particularly thought >dentistry cut it as a hobby. > >Steve It is a lucrative hobby for me 8-]] -- Take out the G'RBAGE to reply wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com As long as you do not pay yourself to do the work you should be ok. I do not know where you can buy the supplies though you may have to make some stuff up. You can always go to Germany and do it there. I was once told by an old classmate of mine that "in Germany you do not need a licence." That 640nm light sounds pretty kinky. > > I was wondering the same thing. I never particularly thought > >dentistry cut it as a hobby. > > > >Steve > > It is a lucrative hobby for me 8-]] >> I was wondering the same thing. I never particularly thought >>dentistry cut it as a hobby. >> >>Steve My hobbies all COST me money. Steve > It is a lucrative hobby for me 8-]] > -- > > Take out the G'RBAGE to reply > wubbabubbazG@RBAGEyahoo.com I have had occassion to do minor dental repairs on myself. A few years back one of my gold caps popped off. I used a bit of regular household cement to re-attach it. You know, Duco. The next time I visited the dentist, about six months later, I told him about it. He asked me if it had come off since and I told him no. He basically said, if it's not loose there's no problem. Then I got hit in the mouth with a drill chuck key. It was attached to the drill cord by a rubber strap. I pulled on the cord and the key got caught on the leg of my work bench. I moved it the other way and it snapped free and hit me in the upper lip just hard enough to take a chip out of the lateral corner of my left maxillary inciser (hows that for dental speak?). The point at which the tooth was chipped was sharp, so I took a fine whetstone and ground it smooth. It never bothered me since. As to dental supplies, I should think you would have no trouble ordering them. Drugs of course are a different matter. Jim Koch, Cleveland >I have had occassion to do minor dental repairs on myself. A few >years back one of my gold caps popped off. I used a bit of regular [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >lateral corner of my left maxillary inciser (hows that for dental >speak?). REPLY: Excellent dental speak. Poor dental spell. Incisor. Joel > The point at which the tooth was chipped was sharp, so I >took a fine whetstone and ground it smooth. It never bothered me [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >Jim Koch, Cleveland SignatureJoel M. Eichen, . Philadelphia PA DISCLAIMER FOLLOWS: ********* Dental health-related material is provided for information purposes only and does not necessarily represent endorsement by or an official position of the SciMedDentistry gang or any other official agency either actual or fictitious or Steve Mancuso. Advice on the treatment or care of an individual patient should be obtained through consultation with a dentist who has examined that patient or is familiar with that patient's dental history. STANDARD DISCLAIMER Buy the book called "Where There Is No Dentist" which is avil about fifteen bucks off Amazon. They ahve a conact list, and also a foundation which goes hand in hand with the book. And let us know what you find. -- Christopher A. Young Jesus: The Reason for the Season www.lds.org www.mormons.com This is not a joke. Need serious answers. Looking for a disributor that will sell amalgam, compostite, portable wet drill, carbide burrs and drills of various size, root canal instruments, excavators, rongeurs, 670nm curing gun. Obvously, do not have any sort of license; perhaps out of USA firms would be good. I have over 5 years of ametuer practice; What is the current laws regarding performing dental procedures and surgery on oneself? Chucky, > 670nm curing gun. What cures at 670 nm? That is a deep red, almost into the IR range. > > 670nm curing gun. > > What cures at 670 nm? That is a deep red, almost into the IR range. That would be 635nm UV for curing fillings. | > > 670nm curing gun. | > | > What cures at 670 nm? That is a deep red, almost into the IR range. | That would be 635nm UV for curing fillings. Guess I'm confused, I show 635 nm as reddish orange, nowhere near UV. Perhaps you're thinking of 335nm deep in the UV, or 435nm purple-blue light? TK -- Cogito ergo bibo That was a joke I think. > | > > 670nm curing gun. > | > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > TK hi chucky, we can supply what you are looking for ..pls go to our website www.lxtools.en.alibaba.com to get an idea of our products. Alfie Cheung Email:alfie@dmdtools.com |
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