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Jim - 28 Mar 2009 21:32 GMT My sister asked me this and I told her I'd post it here for your feedback. It's a bit long but I am not going to edit her words. F.Y.I.: She's 30 y.o..She said this is about the "very last tooth on the bottom right" so I assume she means #32 unless she has had that extracted already but I don't think so. In any case, it's now her last tooth on the bottom right. Thanks in advance for reading and replying:
"Over a year ago on one of my dental checkups, they noticed that the gum on one of my teeth is way worse than all the rest of my gums. Mine all run anywhere from 2mm to 4mm, sometimes 5 or 6 if I have a flareup. But this one tooth, they measured as a 9 mm pocket! And it happens to be the tooth that i had my first root canal on, about ten years ago now. The dentist wanted me to go back to the root canal guy, to see if perhaps the root filling had become damaged/cracked etc. Apparently that could somehow cause your gum to be bad on that tooth?
But I hate having my teeth worked on. So I put off making the appointment through 3 more dentists checkups. I FINALLY made the appointment and went on Wednesday...
Apparently, I have carried a SLIGHT infection in that tooth ever since the root canal! Ten years ago!! As in, the root was badly infected which was what caused me to need the root canal in the first place. And it just never completely healed up. So not only has the constant infection caused me to have a minor amount of bone loss in my jaw in that immediate area, but it has caused the gum to stay flared up and the pocket to grow continually larger, since it's working as a "release" for the mucus etc to come out.
So I was told that I have 2 choices: 1) get the tooth pulled. My first question to that was, is it going to change my bite down the road if I get it pulled? He said no, MOST likely not, because the tooth in question is the VERY LAST tooth on the bottom right. He said that the other teeth should not drift back, and that if anything it would feel weird only because the top tooth would no longer have anything to hit against. He said if it bothered me a lot, I could get an implant. My second question was, if the tooth is pulled, is there a guarantee the infection would go away? He said absolutely yes. He said once the root is gone, after a round or two of antibiotics it would go away because the root is the cause of all evil. (haha ;-)
Or 2) Try another root canal. They would remove the top filling, and then go down into the root and remove all of the root filler. Then load me up on antibiotics and see if the infection went away. It might go away, and it might not. He said if it didn't, then I would have to have teh tooth pulled anyway. And that they wouldn't charge for the full root canal, only $250 for the first part of it. He also said that first time root canals have about a 90% chance of success. Second time ones drop down to about 60%. Not to mention that this root is particularly difficult anyway, one of them is like a perfectly shaped backwards "c"...which is why my dentist sent me to this specialist to begin with.
AND, there's more! The tooth right in front of this tooth in question has a very large filling, and this dentist found a hairline crack in it. He said it HAS to be crowned, or else I am going to eventually need a root canal in it too! :(
The way I read my insurance.... they will pay 50% of whatever I have done AFTER I meet my $1000 deductible! Which just sounds insane, and I need to look into it before I make my final decision.
But at this point, I just really don't know what to do. Either way is going to be time consuming and painful, and expensive. Obviously my first inclination is to save the tooth. But if I still have an infection after THIS long, I kind of think the odds of it going away now are pretty slim.
So I'm open to any advice you have..."
So she wanted my feedback. I told her I'd probably pull the tooth since it is way back in the back. When I got implants my dentists told me I didn't really "need" a tooth way back there.
But as I told her, I am not a dentist. ;-) So I will refer the question to my friendly dental usenet group. Thanks for all opinions. Disclaimer: We fully realize you cannot accurately diagnose via internet, so your "best guess" is okay and any further comments or questions are welcome.
tenthmed - 28 Mar 2009 22:23 GMT > My sister asked me this and I told her I'd post it here for your > feedback. It's a bit long but I am not going to edit her words. [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > internet, so your "best guess" is okay and any further comments or > questions are welcome. Well we still don't know if it is indeed #32. Seems unlikely that anyone would try root canal treatment on a wisdom tooth. A 10mm probing depth, in only one part of a root canal tooth, is usually indicative of a non-treatable root fracture. In any event, this is an endo/perio lesion. If the root is not fractured, then if it has been contaminated for a long period of time due to a failing root canal treatment, even if the endo treatment is re-done, it is extremely unlikely that the 10mm probing depth will heal even with heroic periodontal treatment. If it were my tooth, I'd invest in an implant rather than chasing butterflies.
JuanAdams - 28 Mar 2009 23:03 GMT > > My sister asked me this and I told her I'd post it here for your > > feedback. It's a bit long but I am not going to edit her words. [quoted text clipped - 90 lines] > periodontal treatment. If it were my tooth, I'd invest in an implant > rather than chasing butterflies. Hi, thanks for the response. Here's a follow up question:
Let's assume it's #31 for now. (I have sent the question to my sister and will confirm but I do think it's #31 now that I think about it.) Being that it is the last tooth on the bottom, is an implant NECESSARY? (She doesn't really have the money to afford one.) Can she just get it pulled and NOT replace it? If not getting an implant is very bad, then I'm sure she can borrow the money, but she'd surely rather not get one unless it's really really important.
tenthmed - 29 Mar 2009 14:57 GMT > > > My sister asked me this and I told her I'd post it here for your > > > feedback. It's a bit long but I am not going to edit her words. [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > very bad, then I'm sure she can borrow the money, but she'd surely > rather not get one unless it's really really important. To be honest, in a dental "triage" situation, when #30 is present and #31 needs root canal treatment, the patient has finance constraints, and there are other dental issues that need to be addressed on teeth other than second molars, many times, in looking at the "whole" patient and the prognosis of the remaining teeth, the second molar has to be sacrificed and not replaced. As far as implants are concerned, I always urge the patient to have a first molar, like #30 replaced, but only will recommend a second molar implant if the patient absolutely feels a need to have the second molar replaced. In most situations, we want to salvage a 1st molar occlusion. Having a second molar occlusion is, of course, ideal, however in the real world there usually has to be a compromise. So if this tooth is #31 and #30 is missing, I would place an implant in the #30 area and remove #31. If this tooth is #32, then extract it and, if #30 and #31 are missing, place an implant in #30 position.
Amatus Cremona - 29 Mar 2009 17:08 GMT She most likely will need one extraction, one crown (or onlay) and and TI --- ASAP.
On Mar 28, 6:03 pm, JuanAdams <jimso...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 1:23 pm, tenthmed <tenth...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > very bad, then I'm sure she can borrow the money, but she'd surely > rather not get one unless it's really really important. To be honest, in a dental "triage" situation, when #30 is present and #31 needs root canal treatment, the patient has finance constraints, and there are other dental issues that need to be addressed on teeth other than second molars, many times, in looking at the "whole" patient and the prognosis of the remaining teeth, the second molar has to be sacrificed and not replaced. As far as implants are concerned, I always urge the patient to have a first molar, like #30 replaced, but only will recommend a second molar implant if the patient absolutely feels a need to have the second molar replaced. In most situations, we want to salvage a 1st molar occlusion. Having a second molar occlusion is, of course, ideal, however in the real world there usually has to be a compromise. So if this tooth is #31 and #30 is missing, I would place an implant in the #30 area and remove #31. If this tooth is #32, then extract it and, if #30 and #31 are missing, place an implant in #30 position.
JuanAdams - 30 Mar 2009 00:02 GMT > She most likely will need one extraction, one crown (or onlay) and and > TI --- ASAP. [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > If this tooth is #32, then extract it and, if #30 and #31 are > missing, place an implant in #30 position. Thanks for this, tenthmed. Yes, it is #31, not #32 that needs pulling or fixing, And 30 is in fine shape. I checked that with my sister.
So, then, in this triage mindset, with financial restraints, you would probably recommend that she go ahead and have #31 pulled and not replace it with an implant, just leave it missing. Right?
Thanks for your - and all others' - replies!
tenthmed - 30 Mar 2009 01:05 GMT > > She most likely will need one extraction, one crown (or onlay) and and > > TI --- ASAP. [quoted text clipped - 139 lines] > > Thanks for your - and all others' - replies! Genau.
JuanAdams - 30 Mar 2009 06:09 GMT > Genau. Eh? What is Genau?
JuanAdams - 30 Mar 2009 09:16 GMT > > Genau. > > Eh? What is Genau? Means "Right!"? WDYJSS!?
JuanAdams - 30 Mar 2009 00:03 GMT > She most likely will need one extraction, one crown (or onlay) and and > TI --- ASAP. Amatus, what does TI mean? Tooth implant?
So do you think it is absolutely necessary to replace #31 with an implant, or can she do fine with no tooth in that space?
Amatus Cremona - 30 Mar 2009 00:52 GMT Typo
Should have been "NTI"
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On Mar 29, 8:08 am, "Amatus Cremona" <Mic...@sottovoce.net> wrote:
> She most likely will need one extraction, one crown (or onlay) and and > TI --- ASAP. Amatus, what does TI mean? Tooth implant?
So do you think it is absolutely necessary to replace #31 with an implant, or can she do fine with no tooth in that space?
Tin@ - 29 Mar 2009 00:51 GMT > My sister asked me this and I told her I'd post it here for your > feedback. It's a bit long but I am not going to edit her words. [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > internet, so your "best guess" is okay and any further comments or > questions are welcome. $1000 deductible doesn't sound right. A lot of plans have a $1000 max, but I have never, in my 14 years in the field seen a $1000 deductible.
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