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HgbA1C?  (long)

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Mortimer Schnerd, RN - 19 Feb 2009 02:11 GMT
I have a past history of diabetes that was originally treated with oral
hypoglycemics, then later with a gastric bypass.  At this point in time I am on
no meds.  My last HgbA1C was in the 6.5 range IIRC but it was done about three
years ago.

I recently visited the surgeon who did the gastric bypass and he had many labs
drawn.... but not a HgbA1C.  My only abnormal lab was a low Vitamin D level.
The experience cost me $200 out of my pocket.

I have a few molars that had broken and had a crown installed last year on one,
which effectively spent my annual dental insurance allotment.  This left me with
two broken molars on my lower left side.... the most aft and the one next to it.
I was going to have them worked on early this year but in the meanwhile, I
developed a painful abscess where my wisdom teeth were erupting.  It became the
priority.

I put the wisdom teeth off until the new year began with my dental plan, then
had them removed by an oral surgeon about three weeks ago.  So far, so good.  I
appear to have healed without complication.

Then last week I'm chewing on a pork chop and I spit out a little bit of tooth
with a big hunk of filling.  No pain; no sensitivity to cold or heat.  I went
back to the dentist and he said that while the most aft lower molar was probably
beyond saving, the next one inboard still was.  We made a plan to have the one
removed and the other crowned for next Monday.

He asked about who my MD was.  Well, I haven't seen my primary physician in
three years 1) because I had no issues and 2) I've been dissatisfied with his
services.  (As an example, not once did he ever show his face in my room during
one of my four surgeries at my hospital... although he was up on my unit every
day.  I worked with him as a floor nurse and I don't think it would have hurt to
pop in for a 1 minute social call... particularly since every surgery began with
him giving a consult as a condition of the HMO.  More to the point, I've seen
him on the floor in action.  He has the reputation of ordering unnecessary tests
to pump up the bill.)

Anyway, I told the dentist I hadn't seen him in three years but I had seen my
gastric surgeon about a month ago.  I thought everything was set.

Apparently not.  Today his office called up demanding that I go back to my PCP
and get another HgbA1C.  I refused.  The surgeon said he was just my surgeon and
not my doctor.  My insurance isn't going to pay for any of this... and my PCP is
likely to order a bunch of unnecessary labs while he's got me there.  He charged
me $35 for a finger stick the last time I was there. (I could have done it for
free if he'd just said he needed one).

The dentist's office person said that he wouldn't be able to treat me in that
case.  I asked if my records were mine.  I'll be picking them up tomorrow.
Since I've got to pick up the total cost of the crown and extraction, I don't
think I have to constrain myself to the dentists on the plan's list.... I can go
to anyone.  I mentioned all this and asked her to convey to the dentist the
reason he wouldn't be seeing me after all.  I'm not convinced he will be told.

There is a difference between "need to know" and "nice to know".  My HgbA1C
would be nice to know but I question what he would do if it were high?  Refuse
to see me?  Frankly, I think I've demonstrated normal healing ability with the
removal of my wisdom teeth three weeks ago.

I've already been in contact with the dentist I used to see before I had that
dental plan.  They insist upon a cleaning/exam for about $89.  The crown will be
$1100.  I don't know what she'll charge me for the extraction.

So what's the deal with the HgbA1C?  Would you agree this is "nice to know"
rather than "need to know"?  What is reasonable for me to do in my situation?  I
was pretty pissed this afternoon but I've cooled off since.  Now it's time to
decide what I should do.  Input?

Jay Hanig, RN
New B. - 19 Feb 2009 16:51 GMT
>I've already been in contact with the dentist I used to see before I had that
>dental plan.  They insist upon a cleaning/exam for about $89.  The crown will be
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>
>Jay Hanig, RN

Multiple questions indeed.

Did the surgeon who removed your WTs require this test ?

Why not let the surgeon take out the non-restorable molar ?

Then you can shop around for a crown...
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 19 Feb 2009 17:58 GMT
> I have a past history of diabetes that was originally treated with oral
> hypoglycemics, then later with a gastric bypass.  At this point in time I am on
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>
> Jay Hanig, RN

    While the dentist is within his/her rights, I would not routinely make
this a condition for treatment--I take a complete medical history, but
do not demand a full panel of tests before I will touch a patient.
    There would be some conditions that I would demand clinical tests for
before treatment.  You're a nurse, you likely know what the obvious ones
are.
    I agree with Newbie.  Get the extraction done, and then look for  a
dentist for the crown.
    Oh, and find a physician and get a routine checkup--why wouldn't a
nurse get checked out regularly?

Steve

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Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001

Mortimer Schnerd, RN - 19 Feb 2009 19:36 GMT
> While the dentist is within his/her rights, I would not routinely make this a
> condition for treatment--I take a complete medical history, but do not demand
> a full panel of tests before I will touch a patient.
> There would be some conditions that I would demand clinical tests for before
> treatment.  You're a nurse, you likely know what the obvious ones are.

I have been asymptomatic for quite some time.  The only reason I can see for him
demanding a HgbA1C is because he has concerns regarding my ability to heal.  I
would say I have just demonstrated better than any test could show exactly how
well I heal after oral surgery.

The oral surgeon did not require the test.  All the more reason for me to doubt
the need for it.

After I cooled down, I decided to make a peace offering: four pages of lab
results from my visit to my gastric surgeon from back in November.  There was a
CBC, CMP, lipids, triglycerides, folic acid, Vitamin B-12, Vitamin D, iron, TSH.
I am slightly anemic (12.9/37.9), my glucose was 148.  All other labs were
normal.  That was a hell of a lot of information.  They cost me $200 out of my
pocket to get.

The man wasn't there.  He's on vacation until Tuesday, I was told.  "Wait a
second... I was scheduled for the extraction on Monday... who was going to do
the procedure?", I asked.  They said he was... they were getting ready to call
around and reschedule all his Monday obligations.  Hmmmm.....

Can I believe anything that comes out of these people's mouths?  I got along
really well with the dentist the one time I met him.  I have wondered if his
office staff is engaged in a power game and maybe he'd never even hear any of my
concerns?  He doesn't know it yet, but I'll be there Tuesday waiting to speak to
him directly.  I intend to leave either with satisfaction or my records.  A
script for some Vicodin would be nice at this point.  The last time I spoke with
him I told him my teeth weren't temperature sensitive.  That is no longer the
case.  While I can handle hot just fine, cold sets me right on edge and it then
throbs for a while.... no doubt contributing to my pleasant affect these days.
And now no matter what I'll have to put up with it for an unknown length of time
beyond next Monday.

> I agree with Newbie.  Get the extraction done, and then look for  a dentist
> for the crown.

The dentist told me he'd probably charge me 1/4 what the oral surgeon would for
the same procedure.  If that isn't true, I could surely go back to him (the
surgeon).  That's one office where I haven't worn out my welcome.

> Oh, and find a physician and get a routine checkup--why wouldn't a nurse get
> checked out regularly?

There are a number of factors.  The main one is that I'm asymptomatic.  Beyond
my two broken molars, I have no health complaints.  I feel like my visit back to
the gastric surgeon for the extensive set of labs should cover me for a while
otherwise.  The other thing is the primary physician I used to see has a
reputation for ordering unnecessary procedures to run up the bill.  When I
wanted a Viagra script, he told me I needed a heart workup first.... despite the
fact that I'd had a complete workup three years earlier getting ready for the
gastric bypass.  That included a positive EKG, followed by a positive stress
test followed by a heart cath where I was told the other tests were all false
positives and that I was completely open.  There's nothing wrong with my heart.
I ended up just going directly to a urologist and getting the script.  The only
lab the urologist drew was a prostate antigen... which was negative, BTW.

I've already mentioned the $35 finger sticks when they could have been done for
free by me.... right in front of him if he doubted my veracity.  Well, screw
him.  I don't want to see his mercenary a.s again except if I have to while
performing my duties at work.

I will find a primary the next time I need one.  I work with a bunch of them.
I'm sure *somebody* would take care of me if I needed it.  In the meanwhile, I
date another nurse.... the hospital bedside type (like me).  I'm sure she'd say
something if she observed a problem.  I've never known her to be silent on any
other subject.  <G>

In the meanwhile, my old dentist is ready to take me back.  The only reason I
left her was I used to be self paying; then signed up for dental insurance at
work.  She didn't accept my insurance plan.  If I go back to her, I'll be self
paying again.  I've used up the coverage for the year already with my wisdom
teeth, so why not?  It would seem the dental plan no longer has any say in my
choices.

Folks, I thank the two of you who did me the courtesy of answering my query.

Jay Hanig, RN
New B. - 19 Feb 2009 20:53 GMT
>Folks, I thank the two of you who did me the courtesy of answering my query.
>
>Jay Hanig, RN

Yer welcomed.

Must add that your arguments were well reasoned and thoughtful.

Voting with your pocketbook is usually the most effective course
of treatment !  ;-)
 
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