> I had a dental cleaning today. The hygenist had on my chart to apply
> "Antibacterial Irrigation-FM" Code D4997 for a fee of $46.25 which
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> for all I know. Was I ripped off? If it was really beneficial, I would
> expect insurance to cover at least half of the fee. Thanks.
Now, do you understand how a dental office can possibly afford to stay in
business and provide your "covered" services at less than the overhead cost
to perform these servives??
AC
> I had a dental cleaning today. The hygenist had on my chart to apply
> "Antibacterial Irrigation-FM" Code D4997 for a fee of $46.25 which
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> for all I know. Was I ripped off? If it was really beneficial, I would
> expect insurance to cover at least half of the fee. Thanks.
Thanks for all the replies. Yes, my employer started a Dental HMO
option for dental benefits, and I am "participating". There aren't
many D-HMO dentists from which to choose in my area, and I chose the
dentist closest to the office. Seems I need to select the
conventional dental coverage as soon as possible. I wish a method
existed to find a quality dentist with reasonable fees.
Newbie@bix.nex - 21 Nov 2008 22:09 GMT
>Now, do you understand how a dental office can possibly afford to stay in
>business and provide your "covered" services at less than the overhead cost
>to perform these servives??
>
>AC
Think you coined a new word there sister.
Services + Survives...
Freudian, no doubt.
Amatus Cremona - 24 Nov 2008 03:13 GMT
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>>Now, do you understand how a dental office can possibly afford to stay in
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> Freudian, no doubt.
>> I had a dental cleaning today. The hygenist had on my chart to apply
>> "Antibacterial Irrigation-FM" Code D4997 for a fee of $46.25 which
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>Thanks for all the replies.
Yer welcomed.
>Yes, my employer started a Dental HMO
>option for dental benefits, and I am "participating".
Not uncommon.
> There aren't
>many D-HMO dentists from which to choose in my area,
No surprise there.
> and I chose the
>dentist closest to the office.
Reasonable.
>Seems I need to select the
>conventional dental coverage as soon as possible.
Are you sure ?
>I wish a method
>existed to find a quality dentist with reasonable fees.
The 'method' actually already exists.
Forget dental 'insurance' and find a nice friendly, toasty,
homestyle dental office.
If it looks like a cattle shop, keep looking.
Recommendations from older acquaintances, friends, mothers,
grandpa's, even your girlfriend's aunt's cousin, can be helpful.
Find a dentist without the largest ad in the phonebook,
not signed up on your "employers plan", and has a good
local rep, with many years in practice. 10+ is a good starting
point.
Then expect to pay for services competently rendered.
Focus on quality not cost.
If you balance the cost of so called dental 'insurance' versus
what it actually costs to fix dental pathology; you would be surprised
to find that in the long run "Dental Insurance" only benefits the
insurance company.
Not the patient, and not the doctor.
This is what scares me when the government says they want
to "FIX" healthcare.
There are so very few POLITICIANS that are actually practitioners in
any medical field, and yet they want to dictate your treatment.
They don't have a frakkin' clue. Most employers don't either.
>a quality dentist with reasonable fees.
What kind of "Quality" ? Good, Fair, Excellent, Crappy... ?
How does a patient determine quality ?
"Reasonable" How do we determine that ?
What you deem reasonable, or what the dentist
needs to continue in business?
Reasonable is: "What are you willing to pay for a service?"
Reality is:
"What does it cost to produce this service, and make a pay the
overhead and make a profit ?"
Consider for a moment automobile tires.
Do you buy the best longest lasting ?
Or do you sometimes buy what will get you through for now ?
There is some guy that has to do the work of removing the old
mounting the new, balancing, and testing.
Should he work for free ?
Overhead costs are: electric, water, phone, other bills, salaries,
buys the equipment, materials,
and... oh yeah... my family needs to eat, get clothes, and buy
gasoline once in a while too.
OK went a little overboard, but unless you have ever run
a small business you don't really understand the costs.
>quality dentist with reasonable fees.
Hmmm....what's reasonable?
rent/mortgage
utilities
salaries
lab
supplies (bonding resin is $100/5ml e.g.)
computers
software
equipment (lasers are $50K and up, X-ray machines $100K+, chairs
$5K+, autoclaves, handpieces, delivery systems, curing lights,
cabinets,etc., etc.)
malpractice insurance
health insurance
continuing education
The dental office can cost $200/*hour* just sitting there without even
counting paying for the equipment and supplies.
Fifty dollar fillings and 500 dollar crowns aren't realistic unless
someone wants to foot some of the overhead costs.
JMO,
Steve
Newbie@bix.nex - 23 Nov 2008 03:19 GMT
Yeah, that "reasonable" comment always punches my button too !
Funny they don't ask for 'reasonable' fees for heart surgery, knee
replacement, or parachutes.
What does a Maybach cost ? <look it up>
Is that "reasonable" ?
Funny, you didn't even mention salaries and taxes.
>>quality dentist with reasonable fees.
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>JMO,
>Steve
Newbie@bix.nex - 23 Nov 2008 03:21 GMT
Whoops, you did mention salaries, my bad.
>Yeah, that "reasonable" comment always punches my button too !
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>>JMO,
>>Steve