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Medical Forum / General / Dentistry / November 2008What is the best dental school in North America? Worldwide?
CA-DDS has been ranting about worldwide dental education. One of the repliers stated that he/she had gone to the best dental school in the US. IIRC, Temple and NYU were had their accreditation "on probation" in the late 1970's. PENN and Harvard are overrated - in my hands-on, boots on the ground, direct experience. So which is it. Seems that North Carolina had the "best" rating in the '70's. How about today? I say that the US/Canada schools are all the same, each with various strengths and weaknesses i.e academics, research, clinical experience, and that ratings are always going to be very subjective. IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same - it's the individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and how good he will be. Discuss amongst yourselves. > IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same - it's the > individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and > how good he will be. I agree, not exactly the same, but I am sure you can find good dentists even in developing countries. I went to school in Western Europe, , soon after I moved to the US , the NDBE 1 and 2 were a piece of cake, quite similar with what I studied back home, and knowing that some students fail them WHILE in dental school ( when everything is fresh in your head) makes me believe that US schools are NOT better than European schools But there are jerks like newbie@bix.net who will always look down on an European dentists , for example. By the way, am I the only one with a real email address here? ca_dds@yahoo.com > CA-DDS has been ranting about worldwide dental education. One of the > repliers stated that he/she had gone to the best dental school in the US. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Discuss amongst yourselves. > But there are jerks like newbie@bix.net who will always look down on an > European dentists , for example. Noone, including newbie has said there is anything wrong with European dental schools or those dentists. You aren't reading for content, and he has a little less patience with someone on a rant. > By the way, am I the only one with a real email address here? guess so. Steve >> But there are jerks like newbie@bix.net who will always look down on an >> European dentists , for example. > >Noone, including newbie has said there is anything wrong with European >dental schools or those dentists. You aren't reading for content, and >he has a little less patience with someone on a rant. Yep, my usenet temperament is a bit quick to ignite. >> By the way, am I the only one with a real email address here? > >guess so. > >Steve Prolly, cuz of that ole hag spammer from yesteryear. I am still getting 250+ spam messages a day on my main email address from having posted it on UseNet a few years back. I am thinking of dropping the address and the domain name because of it.  Signature/ Amatus / > >>> But there are jerks like newbie@bix.net who will always look down on an [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Prolly, cuz of that ole hag spammer from yesteryear. > I am still getting 250+ spam messages a day on my main email address from > having posted it on UseNet a few years back. I am thinking of dropping the > address and the domain name because of it. Wow! I'm glad I'm not that special. ;-) Steve >I am still getting 250+ spam messages a day on my main email address from >having posted it on UseNet a few years back. I am thinking of dropping the >address and the domain name because of it. Recommend a throwaway account from yahoo, gmail, etc... If you post a real email address in Usenet, you will get bombarded with hundreds of spam messages every day. Signature/ Amatus / > >>> But there are jerks like newbie@bix.net who will always look down on an [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Prolly, cuz of that ole hag spammer from yesteryear. Oops responded to a very old thread. I had to re-set my newsgroup server this morning and everything back to September was displayed. Signature/ Amatus / > If you post a real email address in Usenet, you will get bombarded with > hundreds of spam messages every day. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Prolly, cuz of that ole hag spammer from yesteryear. Yes, I asked if he thinks foreign schools are crap , newbie says yes, read his postings. >> But there are jerks like newbie@bix.net who will always look down on an >> European dentists , for example. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Steve > Yes, I asked if he thinks foreign schools are crap , newbie says yes, > read his postings. I don't think you really read them. Just heard what you wanted. JMO, Steve Besides that, you can be book smart and have 4 legs instead of 2 hands and two legs. When you work with 2 legs, you are a bad dentist (even with a 4.0 GPA from the best school in the world) Good dentistry requires patience, ethics and skills. That is one huge difference between DDS and MD, as DDS , you need manual dexterity- see those "dentists" with no clue about molar endo > CA-DDS has been ranting about worldwide dental education. One of the > repliers stated that he/she had gone to the best dental school in the US. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Discuss amongst yourselves. >CA-DDS has been ranting about worldwide dental education. One of the >repliers stated that he/she had gone to the best dental school in the >US. IIRC, Temple and NYU were had their accreditation "on probation" in >the late 1970's. PENN and Harvard are overrated - in my hands-on, boots >on the ground, direct experience. Suspect that an 'accreditation committee' makes this determination. Actually doubt it means much, prolly a donation thingy. There a student that transferred from Harvard, said the focus was on 'research' and clinical training was lacking there. Hence the move. >So which is it. Seems that North Carolina had the "best" rating in the >'70's. How about today? >I say that the US/Canada schools are all the >same, Nah, that can't be true. >each with various strengths and weaknesses i.e academics, >research, clinical experience, and that ratings are always going to be >very subjective. Agree on that. >IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same That can't be true, just by definition. > - it's the >individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and >how good he will be. This is true of any field of study, and any individual. However, you cannot decide to have 'talent' , 'good eyesight' nor 'good hand-eye co-ordination'. For example, there are a plethora of wannabe guitar players. There are few 'stars' and even fewer 'true masters'. Same is true of any musical instrument. Why would dentistry be any different ? >Discuss amongst yourselves. What ?!? you are gonna drop out of the conversation ? >>IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same > > That can't be true, just by definition. I agree, but the "best" school, it the one that sends you an acceptance letter! ;-) Steve >>>IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >;-) >Steve Got one rejection, and two acceptances. Gladly the second acceptance was from my first choice. Make no mistake, accepted the first offer, and gave that slot to another after first choice came to fruition. Kept the rejection letter for some years, should have had it framed. Having been included on the very edge of the most recent periodic review for accreditation at my alma mater, I will say it is a very elaborate and involved process. The accreditation committee insists on the creation of certain committees and boards within the university and dictates what type of professional has to sit on them. That is the part I was involved with most directly. It is a long process that takes about a year to complete. Signature/ Amatus / > >>CA-DDS has been ranting about worldwide dental education. One of the [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > What ?!? you are gonna drop out of the conversation ? >> IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same - it's the > individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and > how good he will be. Good point...I completely agree with it. I think that upon graduation, depending on the strengths of the school, you maybe more skilled in certain aspects of dentistry, but after 3 months of clinical practice, we are all the same. After that, we each develop our skills/interests that make each of us a little different from one another. JMO John >>> IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same - it's the >> individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and >> how good he will be. > >Good point...I completely agree with it. Think that the above analysis is very simplistic. >I think that upon graduation, depending on the strengths of the school, you >maybe more skilled in certain aspects of dentistry, >but after 3 months of >clinical practice, we are all the same. Couldn't disagree more. You iterated that after 3 months the talented lose their talent, and the un-talented suddenly gain talent that they never had ? >After that, we each develop our >skills/interests that make each of us a little different from one another. Believe that *all* are unique from conception. Nature and Nurture shape us in different ways, but all individual creatures are 'one offs'. Even roaches. >JMO > >John >>>> IMO, in the final analysis, the schools are all the same - it's the >>> individual dentist who decides what he does with his basic education and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You iterated that after 3 months the talented lose their talent, > and the un-talented suddenly gain talent that they never had ? No, I'm talking about experience. I meant that those with less than average clinical skills in dental school are exposed to more and more clinical cases in general practice, so their technical abilities can only improve. It is after working a while that you gain more confidence, and hopefully realized your limitations. We begin to differentiate from each other after a bit of work in the real world, and then "talent" as you call it is what really separates us after that point. I draw this comparison as I went to two dental schools, one for my general DDS and another for graduate training. My office in grad school was in the senior dental student clinic and was involved in a fair amount of dental student teaching, so I saw what that second school's dental students were exposed to. I can honestly state that my training was better in fixed prosthodontics in that I had at least done a few bridges during my dental school. At this second school, I watched some students graduate without doing a fixed bridge on a live patient. I couldn't believe it, but it happened. At the same time, I only did a handful of cases, which is probably the average of dental students in Canada, and I admit its not a whole lot of cases. However, once that kid graduates, I'm sure he'll do a couple of fixed cases and we'll be pretty much on the same page for fixed prosthodontics after a few months in terms of fixed prosthodontic experience. John >>After that, we each develop our >>skills/interests that make each of us a little different from one another. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >>John > CA-DDS has been ranting about worldwide dental education. One of the > repliers stated that he/she had gone to the best dental school in the > US. IIRC, Temple and NYU were had their accreditation "on probation" in > the late 1970's. PENN and Harvard are overrated - in my hands-on, boots > on the ground, direct experience. True for NYU. The real reasons are clouded in secrecy, but it wasn't really much of a secret. NYU went from a 4-year to a 3-year curriculum the year before I entered. The academic year was lengthened from 9 months to 11 months. The graduation requirements remained the same. This still left a 3-month reduction in actual classroom and clinic time, and a large number of students found themselves unable to graduate on time. There was also a transition year where students entered in the middle of the year for a 3 1/2 year curriculum. The clinic quite predictably was overcrowded. This apparently was a brazen attempt to take advantage of federal "capitation" grants that funded the schools for every student enrolled. There was a shortage of patients to fulfill requirements of the bloated enrollment. Added to this was the fact that the University had promised funding for a new building for years, but was in no hurry to come up with the money. The AADS lowered NYU's accreditation status from "full" to "provisional", which was one step removed from pulling their accredidation altogether. This was a not so subtle shove for NYU to come up with the money--which they finally did--but not in time to benefit me. BTW, there was once a brochure hanging in the locker room stating that U. of Michigan had the #1 dental school in the country. There were no other rankings, and the ranking criteria were not given. Steve > So which is it. Seems that North Carolina had the "best" rating in the > '70's. How about today? I say that the US/Canada schools are all the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Discuss amongst yourselves. SignatureMark & Steven Bornfeld DDS http://www.dentaltwins.com Brooklyn, NY 718-258-5001 > True for NYU. The real reasons are clouded in secrecy, but it wasn't >really much of a secret. NYU went from a 4-year to a 3-year curriculum [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Steve What year was that? When I was in the Army from 1972-1974, my CO would not accept anyone being assigned under him who went to NYU. That was the only school he had that policy for. >> True for NYU. The real reasons are clouded in secrecy, but it wasn't >> really much of a secret. NYU went from a 4-year to a 3-year curriculum [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > being assigned under him who went to NYU. That was the only school he > had that policy for. I was at NYU from 1973-76. I think they may have lowered the accreditation status during my first year. It was restored after I left. Hey, you don't think.... Steve >> When I was in the Army from 1972-1974, my CO would not accept anyone >> being assigned under him who went to NYU. That was the only school he [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Steve The plot thickens... > I was at NYU from 1973-76. I think they may have lowered the >accreditation status during my first year. It was restored after I left. > Hey, you don't think.... > >Steve Hmmm <G> > BTW, there was once a brochure hanging in the locker room stating that > U. of Michigan had the #1 dental school in the country. There were no > other rankings, and the ranking criteria were not given. #1 in research and getting prepared for specialty training maybe. |
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