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Centre Parting - 25 Sep 2008 14:16 GMT
My RHS upper pre-molar (I think previously crowned) has broken off at the
gum line, leaving the full root in situ.

I think it must have been route-canalled too - as there's no pain, just a
gap.

I'll be going to my dentist just as soon as I've saved the bucksheesh.

In the meantime, I was wondering what options he's likely to offer me.
And wondering how the hell he's gunna get the root out - if that's what he's
likely to do.

The tooth had been filled many times and was now undersized due to loss of
tooth-wall.
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 25 Sep 2008 16:46 GMT
> My RHS upper pre-molar (I think previously crowned) has broken off at the
> gum line, leaving the full root in situ.
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> The tooth had been filled many times and was now undersized due to loss of
> tooth-wall.

    Getting it out is generally not a problem.  Saving it depends on the
condition and bulk of the remaining root.
    Sometimes if the tooth is to be saved it is necessary to do what we
call a "crown lengthening" procedure--removing some gum and occasionally
some bone surrounding the root to expose enough root structure to
replace a crown without burying the edge of the crown too far under the
gumline.
    OTOH, these days we are more likely to remove questionable teeth if
implant placement is an option.

Steve

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718-258-5001

nhsu.bssnet.com@gmail.com - 25 Sep 2008 20:21 GMT
On Sep 25, 8:46 am, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com> wrote:
> > My RHS upper pre-molar (I think previously crowned) has broken off at the
> > gum line, leaving the full root in situ.
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> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001
Centre Parting - 25 Sep 2008 23:59 GMT
>> My RHS upper pre-molar (I think previously crowned) has broken off at the
>> gum line, leaving the full root in situ.
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> OTOH, these days we are more likely to remove questionable teeth if
> implant placement is an option.

Thanks for that, Steve.

If it's removed and the hole left empty, does it create problems for the
adjacent (or even opposite) teeth ?

Is leaving a hole even an option ?
And if so, is it filled with anything ?
And if not, does bone and stuff grow into it ?
And if so, is inserting a peg replacement tooth possible at a later (more
affluent) point ?

> Steve
Newbie@bix.nex - 26 Sep 2008 01:33 GMT
>>> My RHS upper pre-molar (I think previously crowned) has broken off at the
>>> gum line, leaving the full root in situ.
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>If it's removed and the hole left empty, does it create problems for the
>adjacent (or even opposite) teeth ?
Most times but not always.

>Is leaving a hole even an option ?
Sure.

>And if so, is it filled with anything ?
Do you mean a space where the tooth was ?

>And if not, does bone and stuff grow into it ?
Bone fills in where the root used to be.
Gingiva grows over bone.

>And if so, is inserting a peg replacement tooth possible at a later (more
>affluent) point ?

Implant later ?  Possible if teeth haven't shifted too far.

>> Steve
Centre Parting - 26 Sep 2008 11:08 GMT
>>>> My RHS upper pre-molar (I think previously crowned) has broken off at
>>>> the
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>>
>>> Steve
Centre Parting - 26 Sep 2008 11:11 GMT
>>>> My RHS upper pre-molar (I think previously crowned) has broken off at
>>>> the
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>>adjacent (or even opposite) teeth ?
> Most times but not always.

So if I'm gunna get a pegtooth fitted, I really need to do it when the
root's removed.

Would leaving just the unrecrowned root in situ be likely to create any
problems for later pegtoothing - either WRT to creating problems for
adjacent teeth or the tooth itself ?

>>Is leaving a hole even an option ?
> Sure.
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>>
>>> Steve
Steven Bornfeld - 26 Sep 2008 14:33 GMT
>>>>> My RHS upper pre-molar (I think previously crowned) has broken off at
>>>>> the
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> So if I'm gunna get a pegtooth fitted, I really need to do it when the
> root's removed.

    I generally agree with what newbie's said.  The teeth don't always
drift, but do frequently.  What will happen definitely is that the bone
in which the root sits will resorb, possibly requiring a bone graft at
the time you decide to place the implant.

> Would leaving just the unrecrowned root in situ be likely to create any
> problems for later pegtoothing - either WRT to creating problems for
> adjacent teeth or the tooth itself ?

    If the root canal in the root is intact, the opening can be sealed and
the root retained.  This will minimize loss of bone, but may not prevent
movement of the adjacent teeth.

Steve

>>> Is leaving a hole even an option ?
>> Sure.
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>> Implant later ?  Possible if teeth haven't shifted too far.
>>>> Steve
Centre Parting - 26 Sep 2008 18:48 GMT
>>>>>> My RHS upper pre-molar (I think previously crowned) has broken off at
>>>>>> the
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> root retained.  This will minimize loss of bone, but may not prevent
> movement of the adjacent teeth.

As I feared.
Although, it should at least, only be the tops that cause the teeth to
angle.
Would chewing have a tendency to limit the degree of movement ?
Or is chewing likely to be destablising the adjacent teeth as we speak ?

> Steve
>
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>>> Implant later ?  Possible if teeth haven't shifted too far.
>>>>> Steve
Steven Bornfeld - 26 Sep 2008 23:15 GMT
> As I feared.
> Although, it should at least, only be the tops that cause the teeth to
> angle.
> Would chewing have a tendency to limit the degree of movement ?
> Or is chewing likely to be destablising the adjacent teeth as we speak ?

    If the teeth adjacent to the space are in a stable biting relationship
with their opposing teeth it generally would tend to limit movement.

Steve
Centre Parting - 27 Sep 2008 12:25 GMT
This all began about a month ago, when I noticed I could rock the tooth
in-situ.
There was mild, dull pain.
Three weeks later, it was decapitated by a piece of nougat - but the pain
had subsided altogether.

At the time the tooth first became 'rockable', I also noticed I had mild
problems with unclearable Eustachian tubes.
In the week that's passed since the decapitation, I've had ear pain like an
ear infection.
And since I first noticed the unclearable Eustachian issue, I've felt kind
of rough - like a non-fullblown cold with fatigue in the evenings, bloating
and atypical food appetite.

Could it be that the tooth has an infection that's somehow spread up the
Eustachian tubes ?

If so, would my dentist be able to detect such an infection - by X-ray or
other means ?

I'd like to find out if the tooth is in some way causal, as I'm getting well
hacked off with feeling sub-par ATM.

>> As I feared.
>> Although, it should at least, only be the tops that cause the teeth to
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>
> Steve
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 27 Sep 2008 16:05 GMT
> This all began about a month ago, when I noticed I could rock the tooth
> in-situ.
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> Could it be that the tooth has an infection that's somehow spread up the
> Eustachian tubes ?

    The chances of any relation are very remote, except to the extent that
an infected tooth may lower your body's general resistance to other (eg:
upper respiratory) infection.
    In the dark days of ancient dentistry when I was in school, we were
taught that a "bad bite" could cause "occlusion of the eustachian tubes.
 You may wish to google "Costen's syndrome".
    Unless the breaking of this tooth caused your bite to collapse, I see
the chances of this being very unlikely.

Steve

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718-258-5001

Centre Parting - 28 Sep 2008 10:44 GMT
>> This all began about a month ago, when I noticed I could rock the tooth
>> in-situ.
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> infected tooth may lower your body's general resistance to other (eg:
> upper respiratory) infection.

OK.
I guess a dental infection = an abscess, which I understand I would most
definitely be aware of.

Just coincidental timing then.

> In the dark days of ancient dentistry when I was in school, we were taught
> that a "bad bite" could cause "occlusion of the eustachian tubes. You may
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>
> Steve
 
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