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Do I Need An Implant?

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GovtLawyer@aol.com - 20 Aug 2008 03:28 GMT
I'm 58 years old, and until this afternoon I still had one of my baby
teeth.  On the lower jaw, third tooth from the back, sat this baby
tooth, snuggled between two larger, taller adult teeth.  And there it
sat, for most of my life.  A few months ago it started to come loose,
and I saw a dentist.  He told me to leave it alone, as it could be
awhile until it came out completely, and, an x-ray showed that it was
just hanging on by thread.  The last few weeks it got looser, and
although I tried to pull it out, and push it out with my tongue, I
couldn't.  Food got trapped underneath.  It seemed it was time to go.

Today, the dentist pulled it out, in a very short quick painless tug.

Now, here's the big question.  He thinks I'll need an implant or a
bridge.  He says that eventually the teeth on either side will shift.
I'm not sure of this, and I do not wish to take on the big expense,
needlessly.  The small gap poses no cosmetic problem, as it can't be
seen when I smile.  There was always a gap, as the teeth on either
side towered over the smaller one.

Do I need an implant or bridge?  If so, how long could I go without
the procedure?  Which would be preferred, and why.

Thanks for your help.
kris-polanowski - 20 Aug 2008 10:08 GMT
> I'm 58 years old, and until this afternoon I still had one of my baby
> teeth.  On the lower jaw, third tooth from the back, sat this baby
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>
> Thanks for your help.

All the gaps should be filled up becouse of occlusion and TMJ
prevention.
There is hard to say what would be better for you: implant or bridge.
It dpends on personnal examination.
The samll gab is hidden :)) To fill gaps is not going only becouse of
esthetic
but most important coz health condition.
best regards kris Polanowski DDS
sherifelleithy@yahoo.com - 20 Aug 2008 10:24 GMT
Hello
This is Dr.Sherif El-leithy , well you would certainly have to close
the gap , this is because in case you don't teeth behind the gap will
migrate forward and teeth on the upper jaw ( opposing teeth ) will
supra-erupt causing a problem of mal-occlussion , you won't be able to
chew food , talk , swallow like before ,
The idea is , implants are mostly preferred and they are the treatment
of choice because they are biocompatible ( tissue-friendly ) and the
most conservative treatment , but unfortuantely the would cost more
than a simple bridge , the success rate of implants is now said to be
more than 15 - 20 years , while the success rate of bridges won't last
that period without problems I gurantee you that , In order for you to
have a bridge you have to reduce the tooth behind and the tooth
infront of the gap so u can make a 3 unit bridge containing the tooth
you lost in the middle , this is a less conservative treatment as you
have to cut into sound and normal tooth structure , do u get what I
mean !???
If you can afford implants , go for it with no hesitation
Take care
Best regards
bye
GovtLawyer - 21 Aug 2008 02:44 GMT
Thanks to all for your help.  It seems to me that the implant is a
better choice than a bridge; and, I may be able to wait a bit (not
urgent).  One thing that I'm confused about is the thought that the
teeth (tooth?) above may shift.  This makes no sense to me as there
has been a space below that tooth my whole life.  The only difference
now is that the space is a bit longer than before.  Why would any of
the teeth above shift?

As far as the urgency to get an implant, I'd like to wait.  Some have
expressed the thought that I may not need one at all.  So, suppose I
do wait; what signs would I look for to tell me I better get one?
Would it be too late, once signs appear?  The teeth on wither side of
the gap are seemingly solid and have other stable teeth on the other
side of them. The one in the back is short and squat and the front
one
longer.  I guess the back one is a molar and the other an incisor;
but
what do I know?

Thanks for your help, again.
kris-polanowski - 21 Aug 2008 09:00 GMT
> Thanks to all for your help.  It seems to me that the implant is a
> better choice than a bridge; and, I may be able to wait a bit (not
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>
> Thanks for your help, again.

Heh:)) Everything depends on close examination. The gabs -after
extraction should be filled up its clear from years. to understand
some problems take into consideration " gold rule": The posterior
teeth bite support makes your front teeth healthy. The bite forces /
occlusion is one of the most important factors for teeth, gum, health
conditions.
regards krzysztof(kris) Polanowski DDS
oralhealth@comcast.net - 23 Aug 2008 23:16 GMT
On Aug 21, 4:00 am, kris-polanowski <hsm.a.polanow...@neostrada.pl>
wrote:

> The posterior
> teeth bite support makes your front teeth healthy. The bite forces /
> occlusion is one of the most important factors for teeth, gum, health
> conditions.
> regards krzysztof(kris) Polanowski DDS

ditto.
Vaughn Simon - 20 Aug 2008 13:49 GMT
> He says that eventually the teeth on either side will shift.
> I'm not sure of this, and I do not wish to take on the big expense,
> needlessly.  The small gap poses no cosmetic problem, as it can't be
> seen when I smile.  There was always a gap, as the teeth on either
> side towered over the smaller one.

  I have huge gaps between my teeth.  (3 or 4 of them are big enough for me to
jam my tongue through.)  They have been like that since my childhood.  I have
never had any dentist point them out as a problem.  On the contrary, they say
that the large spaces help prevent decay.

  Why would a natural gap be a problem for one patient and not another?

  If this really is a problem for you, why not some sort of a gap filler rather
than resorting to an implant?

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tenthmed - 20 Aug 2008 14:45 GMT
Part of the treatment option presentation should always include the
risks/benefits/alternatives and possible consequence of each option, to
include the NO TREATMENT option. If you make an informed decision to
leave the premolar space open, then you must bear the possible negative
consequences of drifting and resultant malocclusion. That being said,
your upper tooth may super-erupt and the adjacent lower teeth may
collapse/drift, in from 6 months to possibly never. No treatment is a
chance you take. I don't recall any study that prospectively evaluated
bite collapse after a tooth was extracted and not replaced, therefore
there is no time frame in which we can say collapse will occur, or if it
will occur at all. So dentists tend to go by what they actually see on a
daily basis and the consequences of what they see. My wife lost a lower
2nd molar and by the time we got around to replacing it with an implant,
only 6 months later, the upper 2nd molar had drifted downward a good
3mm, requiring me to also have to do gum surgery and a crown on that
upper tooth in order to have room to place and restore the lower implant.

For the scenario that you present, a single implant is the treatment of
choice that most dentists would want for themselves or their loved ones,
because it actually is a more tooth-conservative procedure than a
bridge, which irreversibly affects space adjacent tooth structure. Up
until the early '90s, a 3 unit bridge would have been the treatment of
choice/standard of care. Today, implant therapy has to be part of the
treatment recommendation.

Since the baby tooth had no roots, you are probably ready to have the
implant placed right now. Go for it.
tenthmed - 20 Aug 2008 21:31 GMT
Oh, forgot to mention if you are a federal government lawyer, i.e.
"GovtLawyer" as your handle purports, then you are SOL as far as dental
benefits go since the BC/BS Federal Employee Plan (FEP) is a real dental
hoax perpetrated by Uncle S. to its employees as a "dental benefit". If
you want to fix the problem it will have to be out-of-pocket. Sort of
like working in what (lol) Howie Carr calls the "dreaded private sector".
Mark & Steven Bornfeld - 20 Aug 2008 22:20 GMT
>> He says that eventually the teeth on either side will shift.
>> I'm not sure of this, and I do not wish to take on the big expense,
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>
>    Why would a natural gap be a problem for one patient and not another?

    Very good question.  It's quite likely your teeth adjacent to your
spaces are in stable occlusion.  As you say, it's been that way for years.
    When a tooth that has previously been in occlusion is lost, the
surrounding teeth may drift.  This is not a uniform phenomenon though--I
have seen teeth drift quickly, I've seen them drift not a bit.  And my
predictive abilities here are very limited--unless the tooth (teeth)
being lost are already surrounded by gaps, which decreases the chances
that teeth will move.  But even then...

Steve

>    If this really is a problem for you, why not some sort of a gap filler rather
> than resorting to an implant?

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718-258-5001

Simplicio - 24 Aug 2008 22:21 GMT
> <GovtLaw...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
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> never had any dentist point them out as a problem.  On the contrary, they say
> that the large spaces help prevent decay.

Exactly, does the ADA openly advertize that keeping your teeth close
together actually promotes tooth decay?

>    Why would a natural gap be a problem for one patient and not another?
>
>    If this really is a problem for you, why not some sort of a gap filler rather
> than resorting to an implant?

I agree, where is the science showing that all heck will break lose if
you don't get an implant. I had 4 teeth removed
7 years ago due to jaw infection, caused by that leaky filling, no
implant, no bridge, and no "drifting" or "tmj" spasms.
As an engineer I could understand the potential for teeth to drift and
bite pressures to change, but what surprises
me is the chorous of dentist voices that popped up in this thread,
warning, no-implant and your teeth will slide all over
the place! Where is one scientifc study supporting this?
Steven Bornfeld - 24 Aug 2008 22:36 GMT
>> <GovtLaw...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
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> Exactly, does the ADA openly advertize that keeping your teeth close
> together actually promotes tooth decay?

    Actually Clinton--the problem usually is open contacts.  If there are
large spaces food and debris gets in and gets out.  It contacts are
tight food doesn't get in (at least not vertically).  The problem with
food impaction is where the spaces are small but present--food tends to
get impacted and stay.  This is both a caries risk and a periodontal risk.
    As I said, tooth migration often happens, but not always, and I have
found no predictable way to tell in most patients whose teeth will drift
and whose won't after an extraction.

Steve

>>    Why would a natural gap be a problem for one patient and not another?
>>
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> warning, no-implant and your teeth will slide all over
> the place! Where is one scientifc study supporting this?
Steven Fawks - 26 Aug 2008 00:02 GMT
And after it does happen, the patient doesn't want to have
orthodontics to move them back (sometimes not even possible).

Safest approach is to replace the tooth/teeth, but everyone
is welcome to take their chances.

Steve

>     As I said, tooth migration often happens, but not always, and I have
> found no predictable way to tell in most patients whose teeth will drift
> and whose won't after an extraction.
>
> Steve
erach27@gmail.com - 26 Aug 2008 08:35 GMT
i heard of a person whose implant surgery failed because the gums were
not hard enough to support the screws (now he eats soft food).   He
did not get his money back and had to pay the dentist.

What about urine therapy ?  does it strengthen the gums.

That said, i prefer to keep my teeth and may go for an implant or
something cheap.

but please note ---- do dentists tell you do not drink cocal-cola or
aerated drinks --- they soften the teeth with their acids.  do they
tell you drink urine.  do they tell you apply ghee to your teeth and
you probably won't need a cavity drilling.

erach
tenthmed - 24 Aug 2008 23:55 GMT
I did say that there is no prospective study. Only what we see on a
daily basis. No treatment is a valid informed decision.
Dartos - 20 Aug 2008 15:37 GMT
Well, 'need' is one of those words that is relative.

The gap in and of itself is of little consequence.

The teeth on either side of the gap *may* drift with the baby
tooth missing.  They might not.

If the teeth drift, the occlusion on that side will change as
well.  This may or may not be a problem for you.  If you develop
a problem, then you will probably need to have some orthodontic
treatment in addition to an implant at that time.

There are also risks with performing treatment to replace the
tooth (even though they are small).

An implant is a great choice in most cases to make sure the teeth
remain in a stable position.

If it were me, I would probably opt for the implant soon.  I would
also *recommend* that treatment to one of my patients.  However,
I wouldn't tell them that they 'need' an implant.  Doing nothing
is not *likely* to be life changing.

To me, it is the dentist's job to inform the patient of dental
conditions and treatment options (including the option of doing
nothing).  Just remember to be careful what you ask for, you might
just get it.

JMO,
D

> I'm 58 years old, and until this afternoon I still had one of my baby
> teeth.  On the lower jaw, third tooth from the back, sat this baby
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>
> Thanks for your help.
 
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