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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / March 2008Anything new for chloresterol out there ?
Im a 33 year old male thats had high chloresterol for about 10 years now. I dont smoke and have normal blood pressure. My general averaged out readings HDL 35 LDL 215 Chloresterol 275 I excersize vigourously 2 times a week.. mostly weight lifting and some cardio. I worry about the chloresterol sometimes, but also feel if I excersize enough it shouldnt be an issue. I know a few people personally that were on lipitor and had that symptom (which the drug companies say is *very rare*) in which their muscles weakened and had to be taken off the drug. They say its so rare for that to happen, but its not rare. Anybody thats been on it for 5 years or longer has a decent chance of getting it...that or liver cancer in my opinion. anyway, im just wondering if theres anything new out there that I might wanna try ? I was thinking of Zetia, then I googled it and it looks more contraversial then Lipitor. And want about all this talk of plant sterols ? do they really work or just more junk ? I appreciate any advice. john > Im a 33 year old male thats had high chloresterol for about 10 years now. I > dont smoke and have normal blood pressure. My general averaged out readings > > HDL 35 Not optimal. > LDL 215 Not optimal. > Chloresterol 275 Not optimal. > I excersize vigourously 2 times a week.. mostly weight lifting and some > cardio. There is only one exercise that gets rid of the black fat (VAT) that lowers HDL and raises LDL.. This would be the exercise that your stomach does when it is sings and laughs out loud for all to hear: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnesFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren > Im a 33 year old male thats had high chloresterol for about 10 years > now. I dont smoke and have normal blood pressure. My general averaged [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > john Standard Niacin (B3) will raise HDL a lot, lower LDL some, and improve particle size. Therapeutic doses start at round 1000-1500 mg/day. Have you had a VAP test? Removing high glycemic carbs like flour/wheat/Corn, sugar, processed foods generally, and trans-fats will improve your cholesterol significantly.  SignaturePramesh Rutaji p297tongue6221@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply > Standard Niacin (B3) will raise HDL a lot, lower LDL some, and improve > particle size. Therapeutic doses start at round 1000-1500 mg/day. Have > you had a VAP test? > > Removing high glycemic carbs like flour/wheat/Corn, sugar, processed foods > generally, and trans-fats will improve your cholesterol significantly. thanks Pramesh, i'll try the niacin. Never heard about the VAP test until now. I'll ask doc to give me one of those next time. oh yeah, and Chung... your not optimal. Post something useful when you have significant evidence that high chloresterol is solely to blame for clogging arteries. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/niacin/CL00036 > oh yeah, and Chung... your not optimal. Actually, since losing all the VAT (black fat) by eating less, down to the right amount, the lipid profile is optimal. > Post something useful when you have significant evidence that high > chloresterol is solely to blame for clogging arteries. It is the inflammation fueled by the pro-inflammatory adipocytokines coming from black fat that is largely responsible for "clogging arteries." Therefore, it remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren On Mar 13, 5:43 pm, Tweedle-Dummy > Actually, since losing all the VAT (black fat) If giving adjectives to the color of fat like "black" which signifies, bad, then the REAL color of fat which more YELLOW and so yellow is the worst color - aren't people of Asian descent called the Yellow race - lets see, what descent is Chung - yup, seems right at least in this one example. So lets call VAT which is far more yellow than black, as Chung fat and agree we are all much better off without "Chung fat." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Losersatan On Mar 13, 6:17 pm, YellowFat > http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChungFat/Yellow/Bad The 2PD OMER Regurgitation Approach helps get rid of the horrible Yellow Chung Fat http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF On Mar 13, 6:22 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF http://HeartMDPhD.com/Oats http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable On Mar 14, 8:32 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable ;-) http://HeartMDPhD.com/Same Repetitive Nonsense what about these plant sterols ? Do they work or just junk ? > what about these plant sterols ? Do they work or just junk ? In our collective clinical experience hereabouts, they work in folks who are not overeating. Overeating does overwhelm the efficacy of many medications especially the plant sterols. Therefore, it remains much smarter to eat less, down to the right amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart A simple parable to help promote understanding if you are wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <e8298cf2-30db-4f17-8c83-2299c4ce45ac@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >> what about these plant sterols ? Do they work or just junk ? >In our collective clinical experience hereabouts, they work in folks >who are not overeating. Overeating does overwhelm the efficacy of >many medications especially the plant sterols. In real researchers' experience, though, that may not be true. [Begin] Plant Sterols May Help Lower Cholesterol Heart-Healthy Benefits Seen in Diabetic Patients By Miranda Hitti WebMD Medical News June 17, 2005 -- Looking to lower your "bad" LDL cholesterol? Plant chemicals called sterols might help, say Canadian researchers in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Plant sterols resemble cholesterol but have been shown to block cholesterol's absorption and lower blood cholesterol beyond diet. They are minimally absorbed by the intestines, write McGill University's Peter J.H. Jones and colleagues. Jones added a plant sterol mixture to margarine for the study. The sterol mix came from Forbes Medi-Tech Inc. Jones is a consultant for that company, says the journal. [. . .] Cholesterol is a waxy, fat-like substance found in the body. The body makes and uses it, and cholesterol is also found in many animal-based foods. Excess cholesterol settles in the walls of blood vessels, including those of the heart, which can reduce blood flow and lead to heart disease. [. . .] Sterol Study Jones' study was small, with 29 participants. All had high cholesterol, and 14 also had type 2 diabetes and were slightly overweight. Participants were 40-80 years old, averaging in their mid-50s. None exercised. At the study's start blood cholesterol levels were measured. Next, the group was put on a low-fat diet. Everyone had to eat breakfast at the lab; lunches and dinners were taken home. The lab-based breakfasts were important. They included toast with margarine containing a secret ingredient. The researchers added a plant sterol or a placebo powder (cornstarch) to the margarine. For 21 days, participants got one or the other spread on their morning toast. Doable in the Real World? The plan didn't totally mirror real life. For one thing, the participants didn't have to cook or select their meals. They also didn't have to worry about portion size, since the food was provided for them. [End] http://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/news/20050617/plant-sterols-may-help -lower-cholesterol An anabolic response for the wise. SignatureDon Kirkman > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > In real researchers' experience, though, that may not be true. That would depend on whether your "real researchers" also see patients. > [Begin] > Plant Sterols May Help Lower Cholesterol [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > group was put on a low-fat diet. Everyone had to eat breakfast at the > lab; lunches and dinners were taken home. This did ensure that there was no overeating. Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling you to unwittingly provide support for what HE has guided me to write. Laus Deo ! ! ! http://HeartMDPhD.com/LausDeo May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for your perishing soul else your death would be immediate: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDon Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren I dont know if Chung is a wackjob or not. But he has been posting on here for years and he has one thing right about me. I ALWAYS over eat to the point where im completely full. and I always eat processed foods. 99% of my intake is processed food. Im sure others could eat processed foods all the time and never have choloresterol problems. Who has time these days to cook healthy for themselves ? > I dont know if Chung is a wackjob or not. Not. > But he has been posting on here for years... Correct. > ... and he has one thing right about me. I ALWAYS over eat to the > point where im completely full. You are by no means alone. We have all been wounded in the hearts of our souls by the lie that hunger is bad and means we are starving in need of food rather than simply just wanting it. While wounded in this way, we suffer from that terrible delusion which causes the irrational compulsion to overeat. > and I always eat processed foods. 99% of my intake is processed food. The problem is in the amount we are overeating rather than what we are eating. > Im sure others could eat processed foods all > the time and never have choloresterol problems. The bread from heaven that the Jews called manna is processed food. What causes the cholesterol problems is not the processed foods but rather the black fat: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BlackFat http://HeartMDPhD.com/OffalFat > Who has time these days to cook healthy for themselves ? Simply look at the chefs that are cooking healthy foods and note their enlarging girths. It remains smarter to simply eat less, down to the right amount: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart Here is a parable that should help you understand: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren On Mar 15, 12:52 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > I dont know if Chung is a wackjob or not. Yes, and Yes. It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <0b6edfa2-0d09-4079-9878-1437e6341bb9@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>: >> I dont know if Chung is a wackjob or not. >Not. >> But he has been posting on here for years... >Correct. >> ... and he has one thing right about me. I ALWAYS over eat to the >> point where im completely full. Fortunately, John, you are not a cow. Be not afraid of the fearsome Parable. >You are by no means alone. We have all been wounded in the hearts of >our souls by the lie that hunger is bad You know, Chung, I had never heard that lie that hunger is bad until you started harping on it here, and I've lived in several states and another country over the years, so I believe I have more experience with what is going on in the larger society than you have. Your parable of the sick cow (ripped right out of the headlines) also shows you don't know much about cows. I grew up on a dairy farm, and I can assure you that healthy cows will eat until they're full, and they sometimes overeat to the point that they bloat so badly they can die. You apparently are blissfully unaware that cows, like all ruminants, have four-chambered stomachs. Cows eat as much as they can as fast as they can to fill the first chamber, which is basically a storage space. Later, they regurgitate and chew the stored food, and eventually it arrives in the third chamber, which is the true digestive part of the stomach. If your imaginary cow stopped eating, it was sick, just like those in the news. I'll leave it up to other readers to quiz you about the content and thought process of an imaginary cow's mind. It always helps if the topic and content of a parable are somewhat true to life. Glad I could be of assistance. SignatureDon Kirkman > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Fortunately, John, you are not a cow. Be not afraid of the fearsome > Parable. Eating until full would be of greater concern for people. > >You are by no means alone. We have all been wounded in the hearts of > >our souls by the lie that hunger is bad [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > country over the years, so I believe I have more experience with what is > going on in the larger society than you have. Synonymous to the lie that "hunger is bad" are the following: "Stop world hunger." "End world hunger." "I am so hungry that I am starving." "I am about to collapse from hunger." "Come hungry... leave happy." "We guarantee that you will not leave our restaurant hungry." "Hungry? Eat a Snickers bar and be satisfied." "My stomach is growling telling me to feed it now." "I am too hungry to do any chores. I need to eat first." "I am so hungry that I am eating a hole through my stomach." "Let's go get something to eat first because I am starving." "I am about to collapse from hunger." "Don't drive hungry." "Don't go to bed hungry." "It is punishment to send a child to bed hungry." "I am weak with hunger." Instead of being bad, hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Bottom line: You remain pathologically untruthful. This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts May we, who have stopped sinning though we remain sinners, continue to pray for your perishing soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/PrayForDon Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren as nutty as Chung seems...has anyone actually tried his protocol over a long period of NOT always eating until your completely full and see how your chloresterol levels are ? Its something I may actually try... And how do we identify and avoid the "Black Fat" ? It seems to me I heard somewhere that john wrote in article <PZSdnZe7cbtM80DanZ2dnUVZ_rGhnZ2d@ptd.net>: >as nutty as Chung seems...has anyone actually tried his protocol over a long >period of NOT always eating until your completely full and see how your >chloresterol levels are ? Its something I may actually try... >And how do we identify and avoid the "Black Fat" ? Do a search on some of the reliable medical sites for "Black Fat" - the results may surprise you. SignatureDon Kirkman > It seems to me I heard somewhere that john wrote in article > <PZSdnZe7cbtM80DanZ2dnUVZ_rGhnZ2d@ptd.net>: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Do a search on some of the reliable medical sites for "Black Fat" - the > results may surprise you. Better pack a lunch, too. Or several hundred. -- cry > as nutty as Chung seems... This would be how those who are not longer of this world (being sanctified or set apart from the world) will seem to those who remain of this world. > has anyone actually tried his protocol over a long > period of NOT always eating until your completely full and see how your > chloresterol levels are ? Director Morgan Spurlock would be a well-documented example of someone who did the exact opposite driving his normal cholesterol levels to more than 350 mg/dL. > Its something I may actually try... You would be smart: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart > And how do we identify and avoid the "Black Fat" ? Detection of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) occurs by simply consulting with your doctor and asking him/her whether s/he detects visceral adipose tissue in his/her physical examination of you. As for avoiding the VAT (black fat), folks who have been eating the optimal amount of food (omer) should continue to do this: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Truth is simple. Truth is absolute. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren > > as nutty as Chung seems... > > This would be how those who are not longer of this world (being > sanctified or set apart from the world) will seem to those who remain > of this world. It's also how someone lurching down the street, smelling strongly and muttering about the government filling the cows with methane seem to who remain of this world. > > has anyone actually tried his protocol over a long > > period of NOT always eating until your completely full and see how your [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > with your doctor and asking him/her whether s/he detects visceral > adipose tissue in his/her physical examination of you. No, John should explicitly ask his doctor if John has "black fat". And then John should report his doctor's reply back ere. -- cary > As for avoiding the VAT (black fat), folks who have been eating the > optimal amount of food (omer) should continue to do this: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary A soul would be a terrible thing to waste. <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary > > A soul would be a terrible thing to waste. And asking your doctor to check you for "black fat" would be a terrible waste of your credibility in his eyes. -- cary > <>< > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren Your soul is perishing and that would be such a waste. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren Chung, you seem obsessively religious. you need to chill, bro. ever smoke a little green sometimes ? > Chung, you seem obsessively religious. Actually, it remains my choice to refrain from being religious. Christianity is not a religion but rather a relationship with the risen LORD Jesus Christ. > you need to chill, bro. ever smoke a little green sometimes ? Just the thought of inhaling smoke makes me less hungry so I know it is wrong (not what GOD desires) for me: http://TruthRUS.org/BeRight May you also wisely choose to repent by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:" http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren On Mar 17, 9:13 pm, Tweedle-Dummy is his usual babblings > Just the thought of inhaling smoke makes me less hungry so I know it > is wrong (not what GOD desires) for me: Just the thought of Andrew B Chung makes me less hungry, so I know Chung is not good and not what God wants. satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Just the thought of Andrew B Chung makes me less hungry... Indeed, being that you are eternally condemned from unwisely blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, you are eternally forsaken and accursed rather than blessed so that nothing tastes right for you. You are not hungry because you are not being blessed by GOD. Instead, you are doomed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Doomedsatan <>< May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful 2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of Man ... ... by being hungrier: http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD Hunger is wonderful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Hunger It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good. Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve paid for with their and our immortal lives. Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! ) forever ... http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob ... gone: http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed "Blessed are you who hunger NOW... ... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21) Amen. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Luke6_21 A simple parable for the wise and discerning: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren , so I know > Chung is not good and not what God wants. The 3 million dollar guaranteed diet: Think Chung .... Become Less Hungry Put a picture of Chung on your refrigerator door and where you store food and in restaurants put a picture on the table where you sit. > On Mar 17, 9:13 pm, Tweedle-Dummy is his usual babblings > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Just the thought of Andrew B Chung makes me less hungry, so I know > Chung is not good and not what God wants. http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan On Mar 18, 2:34 am, "Andrew B. Chung, > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Idioticsatan Just seeing what Chung wrote and I am less hungry and will eat less. Think Chung .... Lose Weight Andrew Chung ... Brethren of Chef Boyardee On Mar 17, 7:47 pm, "john" <john111111_2654spammen...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Chung, you seem obsessively religious. > > you need to chill, bro. ever smoke a little green sometimes ? Chung keeps a shred of his wits about him. He knows from his medical training that hyper religiosity is symptomatic of a mental disorder. So, he remains in denial of his religious mania. Chung is so far gone into his narcissism that he can never admit to any fault in himself. Instead, anyone who disagrees with him is "stupid", an 'idiot" or a demon. Hi I'm new to the group and interested in healthy eating. I try to grow as much food as I can with as much variety as possible. On Mar 15, 1:52 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > 99% of my intake is processed food. > > The problem is in the amount we are overeating rather than what we are > eating. I think it's both but mainly the type of food that is the problem as it is hard to overeat lettuce, figs and carrots. I don't ever see it happening.. The fatty/sugary "foods" have galanin and casomorphin, which are addictive so trying to tell someone to just eat a lower amount is a bit like telling a drug addict to just decrease the amount of that type of drug. > > Im sure others could eat processed foods all > > the time and never have choloresterol problems. > > The bread from heaven that the Jews called manna is processed food. > What causes the cholesterol problems is not the processed foods but > rather the black fat: Black fat is processed "food" isn't it? > > Who has time these days to cook healthy for themselves ? > > Simply look at the chefs that are cooking healthy foods and note their > enlarging girths. I worked in an upscale restaurant and never met a chef who cooked healthy food even semi-regularly for him/herself or customers. I talked to an experienced chef who said, "I hate cooking for myself, it's a social thing." I know one who only lost weight after chemotherapy and is still resistant to improving diet. The emphasis was fois gras, butter, etc. "You need fat and sugar" to quote one pastry chef.. And they all had bodies to match their choice and amount of food. One reason I grow food is to save "time" in the long run. Organically, Chris > I think it's both but mainly the type of food that is the problem as > it is hard to overeat lettuce, figs and carrots. I don't ever see it > happening.. The Volumetric eating plan has that idea. > Black fat is processed "food" isn't it? Visceral fat can come from any source. For some reason it is higher in saturated fats than subcutaneous fat. > I worked in an upscale restaurant and never met a chef who cooked > healthy food even semi-regularly for him/herself or customers. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pastry chef.. And they all had bodies to match their choice and amount > of food. One reason I grow food is to save "time" in the long run. Restaurants that have a healthy menu never seem to make it. -- Ron > > I think it's both but mainly the type of food that is the problem as > > it is hard to overeat lettuce, figs and carrots. I don't ever see it [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Restaurants that have a healthy menu never seem to make it. The latter will remain the rule rather than the exception until more people have overcome their delusion that hunger is bad because by becoming healthier we invariably become hungrier, which will not be tolerated by those who remain delusional about hunger being the same as starvation. It remains smarter to eat less, down to the right amount, to become hungrier: http://HeartMDPhD.com/BeSmart A simple parable for the wise and discerning to promote the truth about hunger: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Parable Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be healthier: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/BeHealthy Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Brethren of the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://HeartMDPhD.com/ChristianBrethren When it comes to diet, there is much in the medical/scientific journals and in the public press, that it takes some thinking and evaluating what is said. Remember if it sounds too good to be true, it is probably not true. Remember it should pass the "smell test." Most important is to use your brain to think and base any decision on medical/scientific facts http://HeartMDPhD.com/Quacksatan THINK http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF Evaluate and think On Mar 18, 6:20 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > http://HeartMDPhD.com/OAF http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Stupidsatan Wheat Bran is the portion of the grain immediately under the husk of the wheat kernel; it covers the entire kernel, often used for animal feed. It also makes a nutritious addition to baked goods, because it is a good source of dietary fiber ,dietary minerals and is high in B vitamins, protein and iron, Wheat Bran is often used to enrich breads (notably muffins) and breakfast cereals, especially for the benefit of those wishing to increase their intake of dietary fiber. Bran may also be used for pickling, as in the tsukemono of Japan, Wheat bran is extensively used as feed for farm animals. Bran is used as food for humans (in cereals or mixed with flour in bread) to add roughage (i.e., cellulosehtt) to the diet. It is also used in dyeing and calico printing, For more details please visit http://www.mehranbiz.com On Mar 9, 1:12 pm, "john" <john111111_2654spammen...@yahoo.com> wrote:theres anything new out there that I might wanna try ? << Not .. really .. new .. Unleavened bread .. "12-17% reduction in cholesterol" USE OF COMPOSITE FLOURS FOR CHAPATI PREPARATION IN RELATION TO SERUM PROFILE Shahzadi, Naureen (2004) USE OF COMPOSITE FLOURS FOR CHAPATI PREPARATION IN RELATION TO SERUM PROFILE. PhD thesis, University of Agriculture, Faisalabad. Abstract Composite flour samples were tested for chapatti making by blending commercial wheat flour (atta) with legumes like lentil, chickpea and guar gum in diverse magnitude to explore their hypocholesterolemic and hypoglycemic worth. Mean squares for proximate analysis of composite flours showed momentous differences in moisture, protein and fat while fiber, ash and NFE differed non significantly due to two month storage period. Means for acidity, peroxide value and phytic acid varied from 0.193 to 0.320%, 0.537 to 0.999 mEq/Kg and 0.677 to 0.597%, respectively. The amount of dietary fiber differed consistently in composite flours and increases with the progressive increase in these legumes especially guar gum. The total chapatti scores were found to be highest 45.27 in T10 (guar gum 3%) followed by 42.87 & 40.27 for T9 (guar gum 2%) and T1 (commercial wheat flour), respectively. It was also observed that T14 (chickpea 5% + guar gum 1%) acquired 39.87 scores showing non significant differences with control. It is noteworthy to point out that guar gum gave whiter look and puffiness to the end product. Significant boost in dietary fiber content was observed in the resultant chapaties due to the adding up of legumes. Maximum dietary fiber 8.16% was observed in chapaties prepared from T10 followed by 7.48% in T9. Moreover T14 also exhibited a dietary fiber content of 7.28% with non significant differences with T16. Percent increase in dietary fiber was 35.32% in T10 followed by 24.05% in T9 and 20.73% in T14 as compared to control. Three best composite flour samples T10, T9 and T14 along with T1 were chosen for efficacy studies in male Sprague Dawley rats. Feed intake and gain in body weight showed a declining tendency by addition of guar gum. There is a progressive mounting trend in water consumption by increasing guar gum in the diet. It is concluded from the current exploration that guar gum 3% followed by guar gum 2% by amalgamation in chapatti is supportive for weight loss program. It was further observed that T10 showed a significant decline (17.19%) in serum cholesterol followed by T14 (13.23%) and T9 (12.33%) as contrast to control. It is advisable that adding up of guar gum 3% followed by chickpea 5% + guar gum 1% and guar gum 2% in the chapaties are helpful to reduce the blood cholesterol level. Drop in LDL and triglycerides were significant while non significant differences were observed for HDL level. Percent diminish of serum glucose in different groups of rats with reference to control explicated that T14 showed utmost (14.57%) followed by T10 and T9 i.e. 11.64% and 9.60% reduction in glucose, respectively. I twas notable that addition of chickpea 5% + guar gum 1% followed by guar gum 3% and guar gum 2% in the chapaties are helpful to reduce the blood glycemic index. It is concluded that there is 12-17% reduction in cholesterol and 10-14% decline in glucose by applying the selected treatments. Canonical analysis also revealed existence of high correlation between dependent and independent variables. It is suggested that ingestion of 5 chapaties weighing 100g each per day prepared from selected composite flours provides an additional 5-8g of dietary fiber that would be supportive for hypercholesterolemic and hyperglycemic individuals. Item Type: Thesis (PhD) Uncontrolled Keywords: flour, chapati, serum profile, wheat flour, atta, lentil, chickpea, guar gum, composite flours, dietary fiber, dough Subjects: Arts & Humanities (b) ID Code: 770 Deposited By: Mr. Muhammad Asif Deposited On: 19 October 2006 Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > Im a 33 year old male thats had high chloresterol for about 10 years now. I > dont smoke and have normal blood pressure. My general averaged out readings [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > john |
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