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Distortions in schizophrenia concerning body size and weight

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truth@is-best.com - 14 Feb 2008 14:28 GMT
Accuracy of body image perception and preferred weight loss
         strategies in schizophrenia: a controlled pilot study.

         Objective: Obesity in severely mentally ill (SMI) populations
         is an increasing problem, but there is no controlled data
         regarding the relationship between SMI and weight perception.
         Method: Fifty patients with schizophrenia and 50
         demographically matched control participants were recruited.
         Weight, height, and body image accuracy were assessed for all
         participants, and assessments of mood, psychotic symptom
         severity and anxiety, and preferred modes of weight loss were
         assessed for the schizophrenia sample. Results: Patients with
         schizophrenia were significantly more likely to be obese than
         controls (46% vs. 18%, P < 0.005), and most patients expressed
         an interest in losing weight. Obese participants with
         schizophrenia underestimated their body size (11.0%) more than
         controls (4.9%) (P < 0.05). Conclusion: Patients with
         schizophrenia are more likely to underestimate their body size,
         independent of the effects of obesity. However, they also
         express concern about weight issues and willingness to
         participate in psychoeducational groups targeted at weight
         loss.
Zen Cohen - 15 Feb 2008 02:01 GMT
I showed some of Chung's 'greatest hits' to my wife, a clinical
psychologist. She found them fascinating (as I do) but cautioned that he
might not necessarily be properly diagnosed as schizophrenic.  She thinks
he's delusional and likely has a personality disorder, though.

FWIW, I've met a number of people dx'd as schizophrenic who have trouble
even giving themselves basic self-care so they are usually far less
functional than Chung appears to be.  Chung's definitely a nut in the
popular sense of the word, but whether or not he's a true schizophrenic, I
dunno. But that makes him all the more responsible for his bad behavior,
doesn't it?

>          Accuracy of body image perception and preferred weight loss
>          strategies in schizophrenia: a controlled pilot study.
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>          participate in psychoeducational groups targeted at weight
>          loss.
truth@is-best.com - 15 Feb 2008 13:57 GMT
>I showed some of Chung's 'greatest hits' to my wife, a clinical
>psychologist. She found them fascinating (as I do) but cautioned that he
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>dunno. But that makes him all the more responsible for his bad behavior,
>doesn't it?

His disorder does not excuse his behavior, it might give insight into it
but not excuse it.  As to level of functioning it depends on the
particular diagnosis.  Some are on the individual daily activity level
very functional.  Consider this:

http://healthresources.caremark.com/topic/topic100587438  

There are five subtypes of schizophrenia:
  Paranoid

  The key feature of this subtype of schizophrenia is the combination
of
  false beliefs (delusions) and hearing voices (auditory
  hallucinations), with more nearly normal emotions and cognitive
  functioning (cognitive functions include reasoning, judgment, and
  memory). The delusions of paranoid schizophrenics usually involve
  thoughts of being persecuted or harmed by others or exaggerated
  opinions of their own importance, but may also reflect feelings of
  jealousy or excessive religiosity. The delusions are typically
  organized into a coherent framework. Paranoid schizophrenics function
  at a higher level than other subtypes, but are at risk for suicidal
or
  violent behavior under the influence of their delusions.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 15 Feb 2008 15:44 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazySockPuppet
Zen Cohen - 15 Feb 2008 16:58 GMT
>>I showed some of Chung's 'greatest hits' to my wife, a clinical
>>psychologist. She found them fascinating (as I do) but cautioned that he
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> His disorder does not excuse his behavior, it might give insight into it
> but not excuse it.

I agree (actually, I meant that if his dx is not as severe then he would be
all the more responsible for his misbehavior).

As to level of functioning it depends on the
> particular diagnosis.  Some are on the individual daily activity level
> very functional.  Consider this:
>
> http://healthresources.caremark.com/topic/topic100587438
[snip]

I don't think my wife was ruling this out, but we can only see his behavior
via his written words on usenet. Many people behave much better in person
than they do on this hobbesian forum that usenet provides. I suspect Chung
presents himself better in person -- well enough to get a job in FL (but
poorly enough to get fired so quickly). Then again, I suppose one could
argue that his real self is the one we see on usenet.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Feb 2008 02:38 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazySockPuppets
percy - 22 Feb 2008 00:00 GMT
> I showed some of Chung's 'greatest hits' to my wife, a clinical
> psychologist. She found them fascinating (as I do) but cautioned that he
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> dunno. But that makes him all the more responsible for his bad behavior,
> doesn't it?

Temporal Lobe Epilepsy
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 22 Feb 2008 04:14 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/CrazySockPuppets
 
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