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" Rod Eastman's " cowardly threats

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Ken W - 13 Feb 2008 00:15 GMT
I am assuming the person posting as "Rod" is actually Rod Eastman
(Emporia KS) as he has claimed - this isn't proven and "Rod" may be
trying to set somebody else up for problems.

From a previous thread..

On Feb 11, 7:49 pm, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:

J666 wrote:
> >>>>>>> Rod is another slang term for a "prick" which seems very appropriate
> >>>>>>> here

Rod wrote:
> >>>>>>    Except this prick will lay you low in person, wussy...

J666 wrote:
> >>>>> Why don't you take your rod and put it where you usually put it where
> >>>>> the moon don't shine.

Rod wrote:
> >>>>   I knew you were to yellow to post an address, wussy.....what's it
> >>>>   like to be the biggest wuss on the block, having all the tougher
> >>>>   men make a fagot of you ??
> >>>>    Crawl back under your rock, like a good little girl.....

Ken W:
> >>> Occaisionally, a creep like this shows up on Usenet.  He threatens
> >>> people and wants to know where others live but is too cowardly to show
> >>> his own identity and address. If he wanted a fight he wouldn't be
> >>> online saying this sort of thing. He would be in a bar on the wrong
> >>> side of the tracks.

Rod:
> >>    Rod Eastman
> >>    2740 Regency Drive,
> >>    Emporia Kansas...
>>>
> >>    Now Ken, you little fag...do more than talk about it...

Ken W
> > Like the coward he is he likes calling names that probably apply well
> > to himself.
> >
> > The address this creep gave is a vacant lot. LOL how chicken.

>    Yea, a nice, wide open area, and the police have a clear view
>    of it from my place, perfect for the kind of atheist that thinks
>    christians should be killed.
>    Hope you show up, we had a party planned just for him.

You're an hysterical coward and a liar.

Your place is over a mile away from the phony location you gave with a
lot of intervening streets.

I wonder how the police will like you involving them in your cowardly
threats.

Atheist? Christians should be killed? I go to church myself.

You are an embarrasment to any Christian, except Chung.

In another post to Chung, you state that somebody sent an email to you
threatening your life.

Then you conjured up a story about how you were trying to lure this
person so he would show himself, presumably at this empty lot, (a mile
from your house and 2 miles from the police station).

Were you going to sit in Hardees with a binoculars watching 24/7 for
days on end?

I think you're lying about getting threatening emails.

But anybody can do a Google groups search on you and see the numbers
of abusive posts you send to people, accussing them of all sorts of
things, so it's possible someone might have sent you an angry email.

IN REPLY TO THIS POST, POST THAT LIFE THREATENING EMAIL INCLUDING ALL
HEADERS AND PATHS.

Anything sent over the internet is tracable and there should be
internet savvy people who can look at this thing and see if its real,
and who or where it's from.

Let's see that email, "Rod".

If you can't do that, then slink off and quit pestering decent people.

> > Anybody can prove that to himself by two methods.
Ken W - 13 Feb 2008 00:22 GMT
I missed making a clarification:

> >>> Occaisionally, a creep like this shows up on Usenet.  He threatens
> >>> people and wants to know where others live but is too cowardly to show
> >>> his own identity and address. If he wanted a fight he wouldn't be
> >>> online saying this sort of thing. He would be in a bar on the wrong
> >>> side of the tracks.

Rod wrote:

> >>    Rod Eastman
> >>    2740 Regency Drive,
> >>    Emporia Kansas...

> >>    Now Ken, you little fag...do more than talk about it...

> > Like the coward he is he likes calling names that probably apply well
> > to himself.

> > The address this creep gave is a vacant lot. LOL how chicken.

Rod wrote:

>    Yea, a nice, wide open area, and the police have a clear view
>    of it from my place, perfect for the kind of atheist that thinks
>    christians should be killed.
>    Hope you show up, we had a party planned just for him.

You're an hysterical coward and a liar.

Your place is over a mile away from the phony location you gave with
a
lot of intervening streets.

I wonder how the police will like you involving them in your cowardly
threats.

Atheist? Christians should be killed? I go to church myself.

You are an embarrasment to any Christian, except Chung.

In another post to Chung, you state that somebody sent an email to
you
threatening your life.

Then you conjured up a story about how you were trying to lure this
person so he would show himself, presumably at this empty lot, (a
mile
from your house and 2 miles from the police station).

Were you going to sit in Hardees with a binoculars watching 24/7 for
days on end?

I think you're lying about getting threatening emails.

But anybody can do a Google groups search on you and see the numbers
of abusive posts you send to people, accussing them of all sorts of
things, so it's possible someone might have sent you an angry email.

IN REPLY TO THIS POST, POST THAT LIFE THREATENING EMAIL INCLUDING ALL
HEADERS AND PATHS.

Anything sent over the internet is tracable and there should be
internet savvy people who can look at this thing and see if its real,
and who or where it's from.

Let's see that email, "Rod".

If you can't do that, then slink off and quit pestering decent
people.
::: good news runner ::: - 13 Feb 2008 00:23 GMT
In
news:06da65fd-5739-4394-ac82-59137ae56c1b@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
Ken W <ken_wood56@yahoo.com> typed:

Would you please stop posting personal data?

I am also sure it is illegal to do so. So best you all delete these
posts again, okay?

Thanks.
::: good news runner ::: - 13 Feb 2008 00:31 GMT
In
news:06da65fd-5739-4394-ac82-59137ae56c1b@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
Ken W <ken_wood56@yahoo.com> typed:

Would you please stop posting personal data?

I am also sure it is illegal to do so. So best you all delete these
posts again, okay?

Thanks.
J A - 13 Feb 2008 00:49 GMT
On Feb 12, 5:31 pm, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:
> Innews:06da65fd-5739-4394-ac82-59137ae56c1b@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
> Ken W <ken_woo...@yahoo.com> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Thanks.

"Rod" posted the data, as is made clear.

And who are you to be telling people what to post?
Ken W - 13 Feb 2008 02:41 GMT
Well?????

I am assuming the person posting as "Rod" is actually Rod Eastman
(Emporia KS) as he has claimed - this isn't proven and "Rod" may be
trying to set somebody else up for problems.

From a previous thread..

On Feb 11, 7:49 pm, Rod <icom...@att.net> wrote:

J666 wrote:
> >>>>>>> Rod is another slang term for a "prick" which seems very appropriate
> >>>>>>> here
Rod wrote:
> >>>>>>    Except this prick will lay you low in person, wussy...
J666 wrote:
> >>>>> Why don't you take your rod and put it where you usually put it where
> >>>>> the moon don't shine.
Rod wrote:
> >>>>   I knew you were to yellow to post an address, wussy.....what's it
> >>>>   like to be the biggest wuss on the block, having all the tougher
> >>>>   men make a fagot of you ??
> >>>>    Crawl back under your rock, like a good little girl.....

Ken W:

> >>> Occaisionally, a creep like this shows up on Usenet.  He threatens
> >>> people and wants to know where others live but is too cowardly to show
> >>> his own identity and address. If he wanted a fight he wouldn't be
> >>> online saying this sort of thing. He would be in a bar on the wrong
> >>> side of the tracks.

Rod:

> >>    Rod Eastman
> >>    2740 Regency Drive,
> >>    Emporia Kansas...

> >>    Now Ken, you little fag...do more than talk about it...

Ken W

> > Like the coward he is he likes calling names that probably apply well
> > to himself.

> > The address this creep gave is a vacant lot. LOL how chicken.

Rod wrote:

>    Yea, a nice, wide open area, and the police have a clear view
>    of it from my place, perfect for the kind of atheist that thinks
>    christians should be killed.
>    Hope you show up, we had a party planned just for him.

You're an hysterical coward and a liar.

Your place is over a mile away from the phony location you gave with
a
lot of intervening streets.

I wonder how the police will like you involving them in your cowardly
threats.

Atheist? Christians should be killed? I go to church myself.

You are an embarrasment to any Christian, except Chung.

In another post to Chung, you state that somebody sent an email to
you
threatening your life.

Then you conjured up a story about how you were trying to lure this
person so he would show himself, presumably at this empty lot, (a
mile
from your house and 2 miles from the police station).

Were you going to sit in Hardees with a binoculars watching 24/7 for
days on end?

I think you're lying about getting threatening emails.

But anybody can do a Google groups search on you and see the numbers
of abusive posts you send to people, accussing them of all sorts of
things, so it's possible someone might have sent you an angry email.

IN REPLY TO THIS POST, POST THAT LIFE THREATENING EMAIL INCLUDING ALL
HEADERS AND PATHS.

Anything sent over the internet is tracable and there should be
internet savvy people who can look at this thing and see if its real,
and who or where it's from.

Let's see that email, "Rod".

If you can't do that, then slink off and quit pestering decent
people.
::: good news runner ::: - 13 Feb 2008 02:49 GMT
> On Feb 12, 5:31 pm, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> And who are you to be telling people what to post?

I have not told anyone anything - I have asked kindly, and informed
about the possible consequences. If you want to risk being prosecuted
for a newgroup post... your problem, not mine. I did not make the laws.
belmewser@gmail.com - 13 Feb 2008 08:23 GMT
On Feb 13, 2:49 am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:
> Innews:1c21e1fe-398b-4040-ad91-79d4e6473206@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com,
> J A <jantero...@hotmail.com> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> about the possible consequences. If you want to risk being prosecuted
> for a newgroup post... your problem, not mine. I did not make the laws.

I think you have missed the point.  The problem is not Ken's as he did
not put the information into usenet in the first place.  He is simply
repeating it.  What is  more he has responsibly added a caution that
the person posting as "Rod" may not be Mr. Eastman at all but a nasty
troublemaker attempting to cause problems for Mr. Eastman.

Whoever is posting as "Rod" is a nasty person who subtly misuses
language to mislead.  For example he in one thread he claimed to have
obtained sufficient information from aioe.org to resolve an argument
he was having.  Check with aioe.org and you will find they never
release info unless under an _Italian_ court order.  Secondly, he said
to another poster "And I don't want to be the one that is sent to
arrest you.", which would be a pretty good trick for a truck driver in
his late fifties.

The person posting as "Rod" has sometimes signed himself with "kc0oeb"
which apparently is some kind of ham radio operators license or
something like,  which when you google the license site gives some
identification.  Again it could be just some sick nut trying to cause
problems for Mr. Eastman.

Why this person supports the satan driven lies of Dr. Chung is
anyone's guess.  Dr. Chung has misread the Bible and mistaken the use
of the omer.  He has also supported a scam by Mr. Ron Wyatt regarding
the crossing of the Red Sea.  "Rod's" and Dr. Chungs efforts detract
from genuine believer's attempts to help others recognize God's Glory.

God Bless You,

Anne
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 13 Feb 2008 08:37 GMT
satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> > >> convicted neighbor  Ken W <ken_woo...@yahoo.com> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> I think you have missed the point.

What you, who are eternally condemned for blaspheming against the Holy
Spirit, thinks is inconsequential.

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to rebuke you at each GOD-
given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful :-)

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword
Rod - 14 Feb 2008 04:02 GMT
> On Feb 13, 2:49 am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> the person posting as "Rod" may not be Mr. Eastman at all but a nasty
> troublemaker attempting to cause problems for Mr. Eastman.

  Oh brother ! What a scenario to detract from the facts of what has
  really happened. Save your phony respect for your church pastor

> Whoever is posting as "Rod" is a nasty person who subtly misuses
> language to mislead.

  Ever hear of a brain surgeon operating with a chain saw ? I'm
  not so subtly using the english language to speak with you know,
  but oh my heavens, because I've used the language to communicate at
  all I must have an ulterior motive !

  WOW !!  Kelly Anne Siebecke, IS this YOU ???????

>  For example he in one thread he claimed to have
> obtained sufficient information from aioe.org to resolve an argument
> he was having.  Check with aioe.org and you will find they never
> release info unless under an _Italian_ court order.

  And that is one reason why it's always a wise idea to cultivate
  friendships with many types of people. You do KNOW what friends are
  don't you Anne ? Andrew is a brother in the Lord and a friend, unless
  you believe me to be lying about that in which case you should address
  Andrew. You see Anne, I am anti-gay and anti-atheist, particularly
when they send me emails telling me I can't mention the name of God in
 a particualar group or I will be killed along with a few other
christians causing them problems. I have a family to protect Anne,
  so I turned the email over to the police. The rest of this mess has
been myself and a police detective attempting to provoke this guy into
 exposing himself and reward a possibly dangerous person with a cage,
 unless of course you are of the same mind as Ken and don't want him to
be caught ??

>  Secondly, he said
> to another poster "And I don't want to be the one that is sent to
> arrest you.", which would be a pretty good trick for a truck driver in
> his late fifties.

  Yes it would be. I achieved the desired result nonetheless. You're
kind of like the poor losers that cast away fortunes playing poker,
knowing the risk but doing it anyway, and then crying like a whiny
baby that didn't get it's way when someone pulls a bluff and takes
the table and your cash.

  If you don't like the game, don't play the game ! That is easy enough
for even a dummy like you to understand.

> The person posting as "Rod" has sometimes signed himself with "kc0oeb"
> which apparently is some kind of ham radio operators license or
> something like,  which when you google the license site gives some
> identification.  Again it could be just some sick nut trying to cause
> problems for Mr. Eastman.

  Kelly Anne Siebecke, is that you ??

> Why this person supports the satan driven lies of Dr. Chung is
> anyone's guess.

  And what is satan driven that makes them lies ? Care to explain
  at length and prove your accusations ?

> Dr. Chung has misread the Bible and mistaken the use
> of the omer.

  Perhaps it's you that has misread it, ever think of that ? I would
  at least consider it before calling someone a liar, being a christian,
  which you ev

> He has also supported a scam by Mr. Ron Wyatt regarding
> the crossing of the Red Sea.  "Rod's" and Dr. Chungs efforts detract
> from genuine believer's attempts to help others recognize God's Glory.

  As I said, you have zero idea what has been happening, but you feel
the liberty to spout your babble anyway. What does your pastor say about
 meddling in other peoples affairs and spreading gossip, eh Anne ?

 Oh yes, I understand that you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Care to
 explain that one before I kill file you ?
belmewser@gmail.com - 14 Feb 2008 09:15 GMT
belmew...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2:49 am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> wrote:
>> Innews:1c21e1fe-398b-4040-ad91-79d4e6473206@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com,
>> J A <jantero...@hotmail.com> typed:

snip

> Whoever is posting as "Rod" is a nasty person who subtly misuses
> language to mislead.

Subtly misusing language to mislead is not called bluffing.  It is
called lying.
Such actions are those of one who has slipped from The Path of God.

May God Bless You and return you to His True Path,

Anne.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 14 Feb 2008 09:55 GMT
satan via a sockpuppert (corporeal demon) hissed to himself:

> > Whoever is posting as "Rod" is a nasty person who subtly misuses
> > language to mislead.
>
> Subtly misusing language to mislead is not called bluffing.  It is
> called lying.

Incorrect.

Your bearing false witness however is lying.

This simply shows that you are the liar who is the source of all lies
as described in Scripture.

May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to rebuke you at each GOD
given opportunity as GOD desires:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Rebukesatan

<><

May dear neighbors, friends, and brethren have a blessedly wonderful
2008th year since the birth of our LORD Jesus Christ as the Son of
Man ...

... by being hungrier:

http://TruthRUS.org/KnowingGOD

Hunger is wonderful :-)

It's how we know what GOD wants, which is what is good.

Yes, hunger is our knowledge of good versus evil that Adam and Eve
paid for with their and our immortal lives.

Those who suffer from the powerful delusion predicted by the prophecy
of 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 would deny this and perish ( gone !!! )
forever ...

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyOne

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyTwo

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyThree

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazyFour

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob

... gone:

http://YouTube.com/watch?v=Qb6d_z5C35E

Such will be the demise of all those who refuse to know **and** love
the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

"Blessed are you who hunger NOW...

... for you will be satisfied." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Luke 6:21)

Amen.

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword
belmewser@gmail.com - 15 Feb 2008 07:54 GMT
On Feb 14, 9:55 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> satan via a sockpuppert (corporeal demon) hissed to himself:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Incorrect.

Here's the correction:  Subtly misusing language to mislead is
bluffing.  It is also called lying, bluffing is a form of lying.

Anne.
J666 - 15 Feb 2008 13:25 GMT
On Feb 15, 1:54 am, belmew...

> Here's the correction:  Subtly misusing language to mislead is
> bluffing.  It is also called lying, bluffing is a form of lying.
>
> Anne.

Call it what you want, it is not being honest.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Feb 2008 01:07 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazySockPuppet
Rod - 15 Feb 2008 14:34 GMT
> On Feb 14, 9:55 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Anne.

  Actually it isn't. It began life as a military tactic,
  where you direct your opponents attention to what you
  want him to see, and away from what you don't want him
  to see.

  This tactic gradually escalated into what is known as
  the bluff. Instead of making a lie, you manipulate the
  senses of your opponent with his surroundings, giving him
  impressions of things that in reality are not so.

  As the impressions he gets are in his imagination only,
  any lies derived from the external stimuli are the sole
  responsibility of his mind. Joshua used this tactic many
  times in battle, successfully I may add.

  Your complaint on this is really based on the fact that
  you don't like being outsmarted and plan to make as big
  a fuss as possible, but what you don't realize is the fact
  that this very same tactic is about to be used to turn your
  words against you.

  So to sum it up, I take responsibility for what I enter
  into a persons surroundings, but what they make of it in
  their minds is not my responsibility.

  Take your whining elsewhere "Anne", poor loser !
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Feb 2008 01:20 GMT
> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
>    Take your whining elsewhere "Anne", poor loser !

Indeed, satan is the biggest loser and whiner:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Sissysatan
Rod - 16 Feb 2008 04:08 GMT
>> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
>>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Sissysatan

  Amen Andrew, Glory to God for His wisdom, and that which He imparts
  to our needs !
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Feb 2008 06:27 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed:
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>    Amen Andrew, Glory to God for His wisdom, and that which He imparts
>    to our needs !

Laus Deo ! ! !

http://HeartMDPhD.com/LausDeo

be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword
Rod - 14 Feb 2008 14:54 GMT
> belmew...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 2:49 am, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Anne.

  This has to be Kelly Anne Siebecke, an infamous lesbian
  who has more aliases than Charlie Manson has lies. Allow me to
  make my case, as it will explain these recent accusations from
  "Anne". I've come out full blast against homosexuals and lesbians,
  and that IS what Kelly claims to be. Now in all fairness to those
  that have turned to God and repented of those sins, they are Gods
  people and I am happy to have them as brothers and sisters. To those
  that are practicing homosexual relationships I have but one thing
  to say, stop it now on your own or God WILL stop you, and you won't be
  liking the way He does things. Look back thru biblical history and see
  what happens to fags if you doubt it. Now, it's no sweat off my brow
  if you're unhappy with what has happened, the fact is that if the
  followers of God are to survive we have to drive you out from among
  us, if not then God will consider it as tolerating you and strike us
  as well. I'm not happy with that idea, so you're on your way out, and
  if making life uneasy for you is going to get this done then I'll join
  with Fred Phelps to that end.

  So now you people know the real motivation behind "Annes" statements.

  Now, one more thing before I go on. The last time I heard from Kelly
Anne Siebecke she had SWORN to me that she would NEVER again reply to
one of my posts. You will take notice that I have received NO reply
to my questioning of "ANNE", this isn't unusual as  many people do this
kind of thing, so it's pretty common. However, the odds narrow down
quite a lot when 3 things about the personality of the person speaking
in the post match those of another person, ergo the mannerisms and
method of speaking, the middle name, and certain quoted subject matter
that had a tendency to stick in the craw of Kelly Anne Siebecke also
seems to be stuck in the craw of "Anne". What are the odds of that
happening out of thin air ?

  Now "Anne", I'll ask you once more;

  "What is satan driven that makes the things Andrew has said lies ? I
  would like to hear your explanation at length please. You can provide
  proof of what you've said, can't you ? After all, honest followers
  of God are far to fearfull of Him and His laws to make accusations
  that can't meet the challenge of proof. You ARE a follower of God,
  aren't you "Anne", or just another fair weather Christian ??

  Rod
mortonmullens@hotmail.com - 14 Feb 2008 15:03 GMT
On Feb 14, 8:54 am, Rod You ARE a follower of God,
>    aren't you "Anne", or just another fair weather Christian ??
>
>    Rod

Even within Christianity there are differences as to what God wants,
so how do you do you determine which is correct?
Rod - 14 Feb 2008 16:43 GMT
> On Feb 14, 8:54 am, Rod You ARE a follower of God,
>>    aren't you "Anne", or just another fair weather Christian ??
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> Even within Christianity there are differences as to what God wants,
> so how do you do you determine which is correct?

  By the leading of the Holy Spirit and scripture. Scripture is
  the written transmission of Gods will to people. You;ll hear
  stories of the Holy Spirit doing parlor tricks and things of that
  nature, or barking like a dog in a pentecostal church, but don't
  believe it. That isn't the Holy Spirit working. Sometimes, you have
  to ask God for the Gift of the Holy One, and you have to keep after
  Him about it, but you won't recieve the Holy one until God is
  convinced that you are READY for Him.

  Before you even think about going on your own to divide the Word of
  God, trust the leadership of those around you who are blessed with the
  Gift of the Holy One. You CAN trust HIS leadership, He will not lead
  you wrong. I was told that their has always been some question about
  spiritual matters like this one. Loads of parishoners across the
  world have been taught to doubt His very existence, but I'm here to
  tell you not to do that. You've read about the great falling away
  from the faith in Revelation ? Thats the first indication that it
  is taking place, when the followers of God begin to doubt and
  question the reality of God and His abilities.

  I don't want you to go away with the impression that I have always
  been a devout believer, I haven't been. But in my darkest moments
  when my doubt was the strongest, I thought back to those times when
  I was witness and partook of some amazing and incredible experiences,
  and then my doubts melted away like ice on a sunny sunny spring
  morning.

  The main thing is this, keep praying and keep in contact with God,
  let Him know what you want and why you want it. I'm not going to tell
  you that you're always going to get what you want, you won't, He's the
  Boss that knows what is best for you, NOT you. Don't let lack of an
  answer or a slow answer shake your faith in Him, when that happens you
  just impede your own spiritual progress, and your growth gets stunted
  just like mine. In Gods Kingdom I'm only 5'6" tall, when I could have
  been ten feet tall and bullet proof, but no..I had to be a scrawny
  runt.

  Rod
mortonmullens@hotmail.com - 14 Feb 2008 17:29 GMT
On Feb 14, 10:43 am, Rod

>    Before you even think about going on your own to divide the Word of
>    God, trust the leadership of those around you who are blessed with the
>    Gift of the Holy One. You CAN trust HIS leadership, He will not lead
>    you wrong.

>    Rod

So when someone or some group claims to speak for God as to what God
wants, then what they say should be ignored?  So what God says is
really personal for each person?
Rod - 14 Feb 2008 20:33 GMT
> On Feb 14, 10:43 am, Rod
>
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> wants, then what they say should be ignored?  So what God says is
> really personal for each person?

  This isn't what I said, and it's wrong. A person thats led by the
Holy Spirit will speak the words that God wants conveyed.
mortonmullens@hotmail.com - 14 Feb 2008 22:09 GMT
On Feb 14, 2:33 pm, Rod

> mortonmull...

> > So when someone or some group claims to speak for God as to what God
> > wants, then what they say should be ignored?  So what God says is
> > really personal for each person?
>
>    This isn't what I said, and it's wrong. A person thats led by the
> Holy Spirit will speak the words that God wants conveyed.

So when Dr. Chung says he is led by the Holy Spirit and even puts in
quotes words he attributes to the Holy Spirit, then we know that is
what God wants?

What happens when someone else says they were led to something
different from the Holy Spirit, then how to know who is correct or can
the Holy Spirit say conflicting things to different people?
Rod - 14 Feb 2008 23:21 GMT
> On Feb 14, 2:33 pm, Rod
>
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> quotes words he attributes to the Holy Spirit, then we know that is
> what God wants?

  You'll never trust an answer entirely until you
  experience the Holy Spirit for yourself. Once you
  have done that, you'll better recognize who He is
  and isn't with by their words and actions. People
  have will of their own, and they tend to act out
  of their won will at times, doing and saying things
  that the Holy Spirit is in opposition to, and that is
  when they are convicted of sinning, ergo their conscience
  begins to bother them.

> What happens when someone else says they were led to something
> different from the Holy Spirit,

  Then you need to confirm that it is fact "from" the Holy Spirit
  thru study of Gods word, prayer and fasting. The later can be
  dangerous if your health isn't up to par.

> then how to know who is correct or can
> the Holy Spirit say conflicting things to different people?

  It is dependent on that persons circumstances and what is going on
  in their life, what the future holds in store for them and what
  dangers or obstacles are ahead of them. If you're told by Him to
  drive down road a which is a dirt road, and your friend is told to
  drive down road B which is asphault, and both roads lead to the same
  destination, their is normally a good reason why. Of course, you'll
  have to be sure you're being led by the Holy Spirit first before
  you ever begin relying on the advice. Thats where prayer and fasting
  come in.

  The hardest part you'll ever face is learning if it is Him and that
  you can trust Him. These are questions that other people cannot answer
  for you, as only God and you know you best. It's easy for something to
  be your will and not Gods, and confuse the two, thats when bad things
  start to happen to you. God tests people. He puts them thru trials
  that they would rather not face, one reason is to see if they will be
  faithful and trust in Him, another is to see if they will seek Him
  and His advice thru prayer as well as obey His laws. If you haven't
  done these things than it's a safe bet the voice you hear is your
  own. The best way to meet Gods laws is to trust that Christ died
  for our sin and was risen to life on the third day, and the next
  is the most crucial for by it you will meet the  demands of God
  and Christ...Love God with all your heart and mind, and love your
  neighbor as yourself. Now this doesn't mean that if your neighbor
  steals your tv that you just automatically forgive him, he has to
  speak to you and confess it first, and it doesn't mean that you can
  beat him over the head with it. Gods advice to turn the other cheek
  is the best route to take, but the old testament also gives you the
  right to protect your family and yourself from attackers, killers and
  thieves. I say protect against them, not outright slaughter unless
  they've given you no way out. But those scriptures make it clear
  that should they break Gods laws in their dealings with you such
  as robbery of your home, you're pretty much free to kill them if
  that is what is required to save yourself and your family. You just
  need to keep in mind how God will react to what you've done and
  whether you have met His requirements in scripture or not. But it's
  the same process in every dealing with God on a daily basis.
mortonmullens@hotmail.com - 14 Feb 2008 23:54 GMT
> mortonmull...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 14, 2:33 pm, Rod
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>    whether you have met His requirements in scripture or not. But it's
>    the same process in every dealing with God on a daily basis.

So it is personal and therefore what you, or Chung or the Pope or the
leader of any other religion or any priest, minister or preacher or
anyone else says, I should not accept unless I myself find it to be
true.  So could say, listen but personally verify.

When I asked: "What happens when someone else says they were led to
something different from the Holy Spirit,"
You responded: "Then you need to confirm that it is fact "from" the
Holy Spirit thru study of Gods word, prayer and fasting. The later can
be dangerous if your health isn't up to par."

So, from your personal point of view, for someone in poor health and
even close to death, who cannot fast, they can never know which seems
rather harsh which does not mean that your view could be wrong. Also,
because that ill person may have some different view, they themselves
may not need to fast to know.  Would you change the fasting if you
were ill and unable to fast and therefore could not find out if some
opposing view was the correct one or never be sure?

So it really does come down to the individual and therefore "one size
does not fit all."
Pastor Dave - 15 Feb 2008 00:40 GMT
>When I asked: "What happens when someone else
>says they were led to something different from the
>Holy Spirit,"

That claim is almost always bogus and is used either as:

1) A tactic to avoid dealing with the Biblical facts shown.

2) A tactic to build oneself up in the eyes of others.

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saint7peter@hotmail.com - 15 Feb 2008 00:47 GMT
> On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:54:28 -0800 (PST),
> mortonmull...@hotmail.com spake thusly:
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> Never give the devil a ride.  He will always want to drive.

If you are Jewish, never give G-D a ride.  He will want to be a
Jewdriver.
Rod - 15 Feb 2008 01:33 GMT
>> mortonmull...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Feb 14, 2:33 pm, Rod
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> anyone else says, I should not accept unless I myself find it to be
> true.  So could say, listen but personally verify.

  The key is getting to know the scriptures and what they are saying. If
  what someone is telling is in tune with the scriptures then listen to
  them and learn. If it is prophecy you are hearing test it against the
  scriptures. Keep this in mind though; not all tested and verified
  scripture has been included in the bible. As an example only, the jews
  used to use the Book of Jubilees which was mainly dates and times
  and customs among a few other things. This book wouldn't be useful to
  you and I unless we are trying to locate the garden of eden or learn
  to become a member of jewish society.

> When I asked: "What happens when someone else says they were led to
> something different from the Holy Spirit,"
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> So, from your personal point of view, for someone in poor health and
> even close to death, who cannot fast, they can never know

   You do not need to fast to get what you seek, but it helps. Fasting
   is a method of purifying the soul and readying the mind and spirit
   for a closer experience with the supernatural realm. it's physically
   hard on persons with poor health. Just beacsue you may not be able
   to fast doesn't mean you cannot attain your goal. It's a tool, a
   method, not a bus taking you to downtown Chicago...God runs on one
   schedule only..His. He answers you when He decides to, not you. I
   say this because men will insist on their will over Gods, even when
   they are seeking His will.

   Prayer, study and worship are the main inroads that will get you to
   a closer relationship with God, a method of communicating with him.

   Worship is more than singing songs to God and quoting verses, the
   kind of thing that you see in churches. Worship is devotion and
   love of God, an admiration for His word and His works, a love for His
   truths and laws, and a willingness to lend yourself to His works,
   how you choose to live your life, and serve according to His needs.

   It's life, living, a way of living that is never boring. It's
   eventful, sometimes dangerous, often fatal, and always a test
   of your faith and trust in Him. Everyday starts as a sunny day,
   and even if the times get rough, and they will, you smile because
   you feel like it, not because you have to, not because He forces
   you to do it, but because of joy and a love that won't leave you.

   It isn't drugs or alcohol, and it isn't a complete brain wipe, it's
   life as you've never experienced it before, a high you never believe
   exists until you experience it for yourself, and it doesn't leave
   you, but you can leave it. Spiritual things are just that, spiritual
   and with no substance of this world, hard to understand and harder
   yet to control, because you can't handle that which you can't see
   or touch. It's beyond your senses ability to grasp just like x-rays
   are outside the scope of human visual ability. Many people will
   tell you it isn't there. This is what they told tesla, Edison and
   Bell; you're nuts, crazy, lunatic. It isn't there, it doesn't exist,
   it won;t work ! Now we have electricity and satellite tv, and wifi
   internet. Hindsight is 20/20 after all...

> which seems
> rather harsh which does not mean that your view could be wrong.

  Again, you didn't listen to what I said. It isn't safe for someone
  in poor health to fast. Use the other methods like prayer, and
  study. When you are solid in your faith you can get a spiritual
  counselor like a pastor or priest to teach you a form of meditation
  that the essenes used in spiritual preparation of the soul, otherwise
  stay clear of it.

> Also,
> because that ill person may have some different view, they themselves
> may not need to fast to know.  Would you change the fasting if you
> were ill and unable to fast and therefore could not find out if some
> opposing view was the correct one or never be sure?

  I would meditate, pray and study constantly. Let me share a little
  secret with you that the bible shares with most that read it...God
  doesn't like to be nagged. You pray and bug Him enough and He'll get
  you lined out just to have some quiet.

> So it really does come down to the individual and therefore "one size
> does not fit all."

  Most often, yes, but not as you had put it in one paragraph. You have
  to learn about how the God works, what the bible says about how He
  works, and what He wants you to do with what He has given you. Use it
  wisely and you are given more, use it stupidly and He takes it away.

  Just remember, once you hear Him speaking to you, you'll never have to
  ask who it is again.
mortonmullens@hotmail.com - 15 Feb 2008 02:10 GMT
On Feb 14, 7:33 pm, Rod
> > So it really does come down to the individual and therefore "one size
> > does not fit all."
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>    Just remember, once you hear Him speaking to you, you'll never have to
>    ask who it is again.

Thank you for the detailed response.

Still people have different interpretations of the Bible and different
claims of what they hear from God.  So either there has to be only one
true interpretation and one message from God  or could it be
personally different for each person?
Rod - 15 Feb 2008 02:58 GMT
> On Feb 14, 7:33 pm, Rod
>>> So it really does come down to the individual and therefore "one size
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> Still people have different interpretations of the Bible and different
> claims of what they hear from God.

  There is only one correct interpretation of scripture. It isn't a
  crime to be wrong about something, but it's best that others more
  learned of scripture than you agree that you are right.Thats why
  the penalty on those teaching the wrong things about scripture is so
  great a thing to bear. The consequences for those you are teaching,
  should you be wrong in what you have taught are sometimes disastrous
  if not fatal.

> So either there has to be only one
> true interpretation and one message from God  or could it be
> personally different for each person?

   If God is dealing with one person, the message that person gets will
be according to what God wills for that person, and it may not apply to
others. On the other hand, sometimes God uses one person to send a
message to an entire group of people. There are different examples of
how he chooses to work in the old and new testaments, and in scriptures
not included as canon. A word of caution about those that are excluded,
not all of them are influenced and inspired by God. Many are fakes with
subtle alterations taken from originals, and still others are gnostic
in origin. The Book of Moses was one, but only the first five books,
as they are seen now, exist. Originally, they were once one text before
the modern inclusion of numbered verses, provided they were written by
the same author. One text could have taken months to finish, and perhaps
it was circulated among the population before completion, but we may
never know. There are people that treat the bible as form of voodoo
and magic, but thats rot. The supernatural is still "natural", just on
a different level of operation.
mortonmullens@hotmail.com - 15 Feb 2008 03:19 GMT
On Feb 14, 8:58 pm, Rod

>    There is only one correct interpretation of scripture. It isn't a
>    crime to be wrong about something, but it's best that others more
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>    should you be wrong in what you have taught are sometimes disastrous
>    if not fatal.

Have any your interpretations ever been wrong or can there still be
some that are wrong now?

>     If God is dealing with one person, the message that person gets will
> be according to what God wills for that person, and it may not apply to
> others.

OK

>On the other hand, sometimes God uses one person to send a
> message to an entire group of people. There are different examples of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> subtle alterations taken from originals, and still others are gnostic
> in origin.

If God is going to speak through one person for a group, how do those
in that group know to accept that other person - does God speak to
each individual to listen to that one specific person?

>The Book of Moses was one, but only the first five books,
> as they are seen now, exist. Originally, they were once one text before
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> and magic, but thats rot. The supernatural is still "natural", just on
> a different level of operation.

Yes, it is always a question of knowing who and what to believe.
Rod - 15 Feb 2008 04:10 GMT
> On Feb 14, 8:58 pm, Rod
>
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> Have any your interpretations ever been wrong or can there still be
> some that are wrong now?

  Have I ever tried to interpret scripture for myself ? yes. Was it
right ? No. Can there be some wrong now ? Yea, it depends on who is
interpreting scripture and whether they are spirit led or led by
their own will

>>     If God is dealing with one person, the message that person gets will
>> be according to what God wills for that person, and it may not apply to
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> If God is going to speak through one person for a group, how do those
> in that group know to accept that other person

  Leading of the Holy Spirit, and His Presence. It isn't voodoo or
magic, it's very real, and from time to time you may encounter
different churches and preachers trying to fake the Presence. Thats
because they have BEEN in His Presence before and learned all they
could about how He works in order to create a competent fake. They do
this stuff a lot. It draws money into their church. Now you know
why many a person is doubtful if not downright hostile towards God,
religion can and will separate you from God and your wallet.

 I can tell you what to look for in His Presence, but that would be
like cheating you out of the icing on the cake. Do you really want
that ? I ask because once done I can't undo it..

 - does God speak to
> each individual to listen to that one specific person?

  He did so in the case of Moses and Aaron, and He did so in the cases
  of the other prophets, as He did with Christ and His disciples. There
  would be no reason for Him to change how he works, he has NO competent
  competition, and no one is able to duplicate His methods or works.

>> The Book of Moses was one, but only the first five books,
>> as they are seen now, exist. Originally, they were once one text before
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>
> Yes, it is always a question of knowing who and what to believe.

  It isn't a cake walk. Following God is HARD. if you haven't seen
  it in the lives of the other prophets, you'll see it reflected in
  the life of Christ and His disciples. It was especially hard also for
  Paul (Saul of Tarsus), who had to overcome the fears of other
Christians concerning himself. He was at an extreme disadvantage,
  and had not God sent Peter to help belay those fears of people,
  people might not have harkened to Pauls teaching. That would have
  been a major loss for the gentile population of the world. Paul, Saul
  of Tarsus was once a very dangerous man to Christians, hence the fear
  of the general Christian population.

  You know, Andrew said to me a few posts ago, fear not those that can
  kill the body, but fear Him that can kill both body and soul. If you
  didn't see it, discernment will tell you that Andrew KNEW that i am
  weak in this area, he could see it. With the Gift of the Holy Spirit
  comes also an insight that is never wrong, because it is of the Holy
  Spirit. For me, it is easier to take a blow, a blackened eye or
  broken nose than it is to just simply walk away. It isn't the fight I
  fear, but the word "coward". I've had my share of violence, on the
  receiving end and on the giving end, and the giving part is the
  cowards way out. I'm a coward, but I'm trying to learn the bravery
  that Andrew knows. It takes time and faith.

  I hope I haven't bored you, and maybe been of some help.
mortonmullens@hotmail.com - 15 Feb 2008 04:41 GMT
It really comes down to each person's faith/beliefs. Each should
respect others views and offer help if asked and "live and let live."

> mortonmull...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 14, 8:58 pm, Rod
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>
>    I hope I haven't bored you, and maybe been of some help.
Rod - 15 Feb 2008 15:11 GMT
> It really comes down to each person's faith/beliefs. Each should
> respect others views and offer help if asked and "live and let live."

  Not when it violates the sanctity of the lives of others. It is the
  initiator of these types of deeds that have to be dealt with. An
  example is a serial killer; you  don't balk at confining him or
  putting him down when he is attempting to murder someone only because
  it violates his right to a long and happy life. His rights are second
  only to written laws, laws written to protect, not solely to deprive
  another of his rights without good cause.

  Serial killers and serial rapists believe in what they do, should
  their activities go unchecked ? No. You have to look at humanity as
  a whole, and observe what effect your methods of restraining these
  people have on the population, particularly those more immediately
  affected by both you and the one incarcerated.

  I'm not a believer in punishment solely as a means of revenge, but I
  do place my trust in the fact that the killer has no wish to die in
  the manner that his or her victims have. Taking a life is an awful
  thing to do, it's casting away all the work and effort that God
  expended in the act of creating, but thats what a killer or rapist
  does. Where a killer destroys the body and the dreams of life, a
  rapist ravages the heart and soul of a woman. The body heals most
  of the time, the mind and heart rarely heal completely. So yes,
  "live and let live" with limits. we wouldn't need those limits if we
  weren't so agressive and violent a species. To look at man and his
  actions and words, one is seeing the characteristics of the nature
  of man manifest itself, called sin by many, and evil by many more.

  We weren't born with it, but acquired it as a disease is acquired
  thru contact. I've never seen an agressive and violent baby, it just
  hasn't happened without a physical cause or external stimulation.

>> mortonmull...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Feb 14, 8:58 pm, Rod
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>>
>>    I hope I haven't bored you, and maybe been of some help.
Rod - 14 Feb 2008 22:01 GMT
> On Feb 14, 8:54 am, Rod You ARE a follower of God,
>>    aren't you "Anne", or just another fair weather Christian ??
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> Even within Christianity there are differences as to what God wants,
> so how do you do you determine which is correct?
  Well, if it isn't Onideous Mad Hatter, better known and Matthew Moulton.
Mike Mordant - 14 Feb 2008 16:57 GMT
On Feb 12, 8:49 pm, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:
> Innews:1c21e1fe-398b-4040-ad91-79d4e6473206@1g2000hsl.googlegroups.com,
> J A <jantero...@hotmail.com> typed:
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> about the possible consequences. If you want to risk being prosecuted
> for a newgroup post... your problem, not mine. I did not make the laws.

Psst-  Addresses are public, not private information.
Rod - 14 Feb 2008 04:41 GMT
> I am assuming the person posting as "Rod" is actually Rod Eastman
> (Emporia KS) as he has claimed - this isn't proven and "Rod" may be
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>
> You're an hysterical coward and a liar.

  You're a punk with a loud mouth.

> Your place is over a mile away from the phony location you gave with a
> lot of intervening streets.

  Ever hear of rental property dummy ?? Of course not, you're to busy
  roping jackaloupes...

> I wonder how the police will like you involving them in your cowardly
> threats.
>
> Atheist? Christians should be killed? I go to church myself.

  I wasn't aware that Cowboys Saloon held church services. get your
bible from a bottle, do we ?

Cowboy Saloon   
108 South 2nd Street
Laramie, WY

> You are an embarrasment to any Christian, except Chung.

  Coming from a bar fly that funny if not down right hypocritical.

> In another post to Chung, you state that somebody sent an email to you
> threatening your life.
>
> Then you conjured up a story about how you were trying to lure this
> person so he would show himself, presumably at this empty lot, (a mile
> from your house and 2 miles from the police station).

  Conjured a story ? Try proving it isn't so ! Oh thats right, you'd
  have to leave your favorite bar to do that.

  This must be an indication of what your services are like on Sundays,
  getting soused for Jesus !

> Were you going to sit in Hardees with a binoculars watching 24/7 for
> days on end?

  You evidently are far to stupid to know how bad your information is,
  but come on down to Emporia punk, and find the facts out for yourself.
  There is only one Hardees in Emporia, and the one across from Regency
  Drive has been closed for years. And, your infor is so bad that you
have mistaken 6th street for Regency, so your 300 yards north of where
you should have been, and you want me to let a fool like you determine
 the authenticity of that email instead of the pros ?? What a laugh,
  have you been drinking again ?

  Have a good evening, beer hall hardass. Get your courage from the
bottom of a Jim Beam bottle ??
Thought Police Agent #2376 - 14 Feb 2008 19:18 GMT
> > I am assuming the person posting as "Rod" is actually Rod Eastman
> > (Emporia KS) as he has claimed - this isn't proven and "Rod" may be
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>    Have a good evening, beer hall hardass. Get your courage from the
> bottom of a Jim Beam bottle ??

Very christian of you.
Rod - 14 Feb 2008 20:37 GMT
>>> I am assuming the person posting as "Rod" is actually Rod Eastman
>>> (Emporia KS) as he has claimed - this isn't proven and "Rod" may be
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>
> Very christian of you.

  How very atheist of you....
Ken W - 15 Feb 2008 02:25 GMT
> > I am assuming the person posting as "Rod" is actually Rod Eastman
> > (Emporia KS) as he has claimed - this isn't proven and "Rod" may be
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>
>    You're a punk with a loud mouth.

The punk is the one who makes threats he's too cowardly to back up,
punk, coward, liar.

Your place is over a mile away from the phony location you gave with
a lot of intervening streets.

It's not a rental property.

But if it is, you shouldn't mind me posting the address.

Should I post the address?

I wonder how the police will like you involving them in your cowardly
threats.

Atheist? Christians should be killed? I go to church myself.

You are an embarrasment to any Christian, except Chung.

In another post to Chung, you state that somebody sent an email to
you threatening your life.

Then you conjured up a story about how you were trying to lure this
person so he would show himself, presumably at this empty lot, (a
mile from your house and 2 miles from the police station).

Were you going to sit in one of those fast food places rewith a
binoculars watching 24/7 for days on end?

I think you're lying about getting threatening emails.

But anybody can do a Google groups search on you and see the numbers
of abusive posts you send to people, accussing them of all sorts of
things, so it's possible someone might have sent you an angry email.

IN REPLY TO THIS POST, POST THAT LIFE THREATENING EMAIL INCLUDING ALL
HEADERS AND PATHS.
(This is the second time I'm telling "Rod" to post the thing, the
coward liar has failed to do it so far, becasue it doesn't exist).

Anything sent over the internet is tracable and there should be
internet savvy people who can look at this thing and see if its real,
and who or where it's from.

Let's see that email, "Rod".

If you can't do that, then slink off and quit pestering decent
people.

> > Your place is over a mile away from the phony location you gave with a
> > lot of intervening streets.
>
>    Ever hear of rental property dummy ?? Of course not, you're to busy
>    roping jackaloupes...

LOL. Your lies are transparent - should I post the address then? Maybe
it will attract some renters...

>    You evidently are far to stupid to know how bad your information is,
>    but come on down to Emporia punk

Who cares about the names of fast food dumps.

>    Have a good evening, beer hall hardass.

Drop by any time, punk, coward, liar.

Here's the address coward Rod left for somebody to come see him.

Rod Eastman
2740 Regency Drive,
Emporia Kansas...

It's an empty field a mile from his house, (which he now claims is a
rental he doensa't live at).

Pathetic.

In other posts, Rod says he wants to get someone to come to Emporia to
confornt him, so the coward can then call the police and put charges
on the person.

This is something that a trashy woman would pull, not a man.
Rod - 15 Feb 2008 03:20 GMT
  Ohhhh stop your whining Ken. If you want a piece of me then come and
  get it. I can't see an anchor holding you down. If you haven't the
decency to show up to get your butt whipped then stop complaining and
shut up.

  You have no idea about where I live at all. What you have is an
address of 1333 Garfield for where I lived over a year ago, and
property evaluation records don't keep track of leased duplexes
or who leases them, nor does it entail who I rent my property to,
when or how long. Your google and property research records are
only as accurate as the people maintaining those records and how
often they are updated, or how accurate the original info is,
and in this case it's real poor. Now I'll clue you in here, as I'm doing
you a favor as I think you're as stupid as dirt. I live within 500
yards of the vacant lot you were looking at, which was once a Kmart.
Right next to the east is Reebles Price Chopper, and in front of that
to the north is the old Hardees, which is the new Arby's. The address
of that vacant lot you were crying about is a 6th street address, not
a regency drive address, and 2740 is not a vacant lot, but a duplex
at the west end of regency drive, as can be verified by someone
with competent info like Terra server. Google sucks and so do U.

  You're pretty much a fool and a liar, and a waste of time. But if
it will console you in any way, you're funny.....from now on you can
do your squawking in my kill file. Maybe you can meet a queer or two
down there to rail at. Seems more your style, weasel...

  Rod
Ken W - 16 Feb 2008 20:29 GMT
>    Ohhhh stop your whining Ken. If you want a piece of me then come and
>    get it. I can't see an anchor holding you down. If you haven't the
> decency to show up to get your butt whipped then stop complaining and
> shut up.

The coward has already given a false address of where he supposedly
lives.

He's an old geezer who challenges people, and has already stated he
intends to call the police to protect him.

He's a proven coward and a proven liar as anybody can confirm by going
reading through the posts in this thread.

>    You have no idea about where I live at all. What you have is an
> address of 1333 Garfield for where I lived over a year ago, and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> you a favor as I think you're as stupid as dirt. I live within 500
> yards of the vacant lot you were looking at,

LOL. You're already proven to be a coward and a liar, and a faggot.

You're an old woman who lies about "threatening emails" and calls the
police.

which was once a Kmart.
> Right next to the east is Reebles Price Chopper, and in front of that
> to the north is the old Hardees, which is the new Arby's. The address
> of that vacant lot you were crying about is a 6th street address, not
> a regency drive address, and 2740 is not a vacant lot, but a duplex
> at the west end of regency drive, as can be verified by someone
> with competent info like Terra server. Google sucks and so do U.

You're a liar and a coward.

And you know where to find me for real - coward.

>    You're pretty much a fool and a liar, and a waste of time. But if
> it will console you in any way, you're funny.....from now on you can
> do your squawking in my kill file. Maybe you can meet a queer or two
> down there to rail at. Seems more your style, weasel...

You accuse others of your own traits.

You're a queer yourself, and a coward and a liar.
Rod - 16 Feb 2008 21:16 GMT
>>    Ohhhh stop your whining Ken. If you want a piece of me then come and
>>    get it. I can't see an anchor holding you down. If you haven't the
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> LOL. You're already proven to be a coward and a liar, and a faggot.

  Yes Ken, I know you're at least two of those. As for being a faggot,
  well thats your business. But maybe some wyoming cross between a
  redneck and a jackaloupe will find out you're a fag and you'll end
  up as the next matthew shephard, not that I see anything wrong in
  that !

> You're an old woman who lies about "threatening emails" and calls the
> police.

  Police don't see it as a lie, and they are professionals. You on the
other hand are just some clown that has chosen to infest the wonderful
city of Laramie, sad day for them ! And on top of it, you're probably
the guy that sent the email and mad about it. The main reason you won't
come to Kansas to get me is that you could be placed under arrest here,
and you know it.

  It's just a matter of time till you either "lose it" and come after
me, and I have no plans to ease up on you one bit. The asd part is that
you have to be physically in Kansas for the law to do a thing to you,
and thats why you haven't come.

 Isn't that sad, the little criminal Ken wants to make threats by email
 and possibly kill someone, but it';s cowardly to turn the little
 criminal in to the police for threatening murder.

 Better go back to your bar and pour down some more beer. It looks like
 you've run short on courage AGAIN !

> which was once a Kmart.
>> Right next to the east is Reebles Price Chopper, and in front of that
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> You're a liar and a coward.

  You're just a fool and a drunk, period.

> And you know where to find me for real - coward.

  Under the bottle, behind the bottle, or in the mens room
  with your face in the stool ?? Catch your lunch their as well ?

>>    You're pretty much a fool and a liar, and a waste of time. But if
>> it will console you in any way, you're funny.....from now on you can
>> do your squawking in my kill file. Maybe you can meet a queer or two
>> down there to rail at. Seems more your style, weasel...
>
> You accuse others of your own traits.

  No, I'm not accusing anyone of any traits but their own,
  as you've proven and can be plainly seen. Only a fool
  takes a drunks word for anything, and their are still
  some fools around on usenet, maybe you can find one of
  your very own, or another drunk to listen to you rail
  on. Why, if their are two of you, you can get on the net
  and send email threats to your hearts desire, and have a beer
  between threats !

> You're a queer yourself, and a coward and a liar.

  Translation: I Ken, am to much of weasel to come because
  I make death threats but don't want to be jailed for them.
Ken W - 17 Feb 2008 23:06 GMT
> >>    Ohhhh stop your whining Ken. If you want a piece of me then come and
> >>    get it. I can't see an anchor holding you down. If you haven't the
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>    Yes Ken, I know you're at least two of those. As for being a faggot,
>    well thats your business.

You used the term first, coward, and it's probably becasue it's so
familiar to you, "Rod boy".

This coward has already given a false address of where he supposedly
lives.

He's an old geezer who challenges people, and has already stated he
intends to call the police to protect him.  That's cowardice.

He's a proven coward and a proven liar as anybody can confirm by
going
reading through the posts in this thread.

You're a coward "Rod boy".

If his name is actually Rod Eastman, as he claims, then anybody can
use Dex online phone directory to not only get his current address and
phone, but also his neighbors.

You've made a lot of "friends" online "Roddy".
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Feb 2008 23:11 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD>com/Convicts/PrayForKen
Rod - 16 Feb 2008 21:17 GMT
>>    Ohhhh stop your whining Ken. If you want a piece of me then come and
>>    get it. I can't see an anchor holding you down. If you haven't the
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> You're a queer yourself, and a coward and a liar.

  Oh yea, I was going to plonk YOU !

  PLONK ! Bye bozo....
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Feb 2008 21:24 GMT
> > Ohhhh stop your whining Ken. If you want a piece of me then come and
> > get it. I can't see an anchor holding you down. If you haven't the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> The coward has already given a false address of where he supposedly
> lives.

Actually, your not directly addressing the addressee and your name-
calling indicate that you are the defeated one here.

This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict
you:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts

You do not have much longer, dear Ken:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Prophecy

May we, who are victorious in LORD Jesus Christ, continue to pray for
your perishing soul:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForKen

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword
Rod - 16 Feb 2008 21:37 GMT
>>> Ohhhh stop your whining Ken. If you want a piece of me then come and
>>> get it. I can't see an anchor holding you down. If you haven't the
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword

  Andrew, I feel bad about talking the way I have in my posts to him,
  but I'm told that provoking him is the only way to find out who
  it may be. I feel like someone that should be confined in a cage,
  I sure hope God will understand..

  Rod
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Feb 2008 21:50 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>    but I'm told that provoking him is the only way to find out who
>    it may be.

Someone told you wrong.

"Those who live by the sword will die by the sword." -- LORD Jesus
Christ.

Amen.

> I feel like someone that should be confined in a cage,
> I sure hope God will understand..

HE understands you just as HE understood Peter when he drew the sword
that HE had ordered HIS disciples carry and when he cut off Malchus'
ear.  This was made evident when Jesus gently rebuked Peter to put
away the sword and then reattached Malchus' ear.

Now, let us both join other believers, in praying for dear neighbor
Ken's perishing soul:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convict/PrayForKen

Ken is afraid of his body dying because it would be the end of his
soul ...

... we, who have placed our faith in LORD Jesus Christ, are not afraid
of our bodies dying because we know our souls have been saved:

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PrayForKen

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword
Rod - 17 Feb 2008 00:10 GMT
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>>>>> Ohhhh stop your whining Ken. If you want a piece of me then come and
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
> Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword

  Amen Andrew !
Lt. Heyl, Thought Police - 17 Feb 2008 01:42 GMT
>   I feel like someone that should be confined in a cage

Amen!
Maranatha!
Hallelujah!
Goo goo ga joob!

The first correct thing you've posted in this NG yet.
Rod - 17 Feb 2008 04:50 GMT
>>   I feel like someone that should be confined in a cage
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> The first correct thing you've posted in this NG yet.

  Coming from a cretin like you it doesn't mean much..
Rod - 17 Feb 2008 04:52 GMT
>>   I feel like someone that should be confined in a cage
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> The first correct thing you've posted in this NG yet.

  No one is twisting your arm to read my posts, and no one
  was twisting Kens arms to make him act like an a.s..
  for him and you it comes naturally...
Rod - 17 Feb 2008 04:58 GMT
>>   I feel like someone that should be confined in a cage
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> The first correct thing you've posted in this NG yet.

  The bad part of this is that creeps like you stay hidden
  and never come out in the light of day. I guess this gives
  you the feeling of no accountability..very sad...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Feb 2008 05:59 GMT
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazySockPuppet
Rod - 17 Feb 2008 16:38 GMT
> http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/CrazySockPuppet

(2) On a regular basis, some of satan's sockpuppets claim to hear the
voices of Jesus' brethren through the text-based medium of usenet.

  yea....no. 2 there, I've said the same thing a time or two. Not a good
  sign....

 Rod
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 17 Feb 2008 17:52 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>    yea....no. 2 there, I've said the same thing a time or two. Not a good
>    sign....

Correct, it is not what HE wants for us...

... mental illness is bad (i.e. not what HE wants for HIS children).

May we, who have stopped sinning though we remain sinners, continue to
pray for dear convicted neighbor Ken Wood:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForKen

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com
Swordbearer for the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Sword
 
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