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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / December 2007PING: Chung - Group Email Prog/ SERMO Will Love It!
Http://www.Group-mail.Com/asp/common/downloads.Asp Let me know if you need help with the config or for that matter, shoot the list to me, Ill send it. To Yammers, unless you're willing to step up and actually debate instead of yammer around like the scuzy troll you are, STFU. > Http://www.Group-mail.Com/asp/common/downloads.Asp Excellent. > Let me know if you need help with the config or for that matter, shoot the > list to me, Ill send it. Looks straighforward enough. Appreciate you :-) May GOD bless you and yours in HIS mighty way. Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > To Yammers, unless you're willing to step up and actually debate instead of > yammer around like the scuzy troll you are, STFU. Debate is good. When debating medical issues need to use the medical scientific methods to discuss it - need to cite medical studies from peer- reviewed journals and not verses from scripture. So if you are serious and want to be taken seriously, then debate seriously. > Http://www.Group-mail.Com/asp/common/downloads.Asp > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > To Yammers, unless you're willing to step up and actually debate instead of > yammer around like the scuzy troll you are, STFU. Mu Do you believe that the medical scientific method of controlled studies to evaluate medical treatment is valid? > Http://www.Group-mail.Com/asp/common/downloads.Asp > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > To Yammers, unless you're willing to step up and actually debate instead of > yammer around like the scuzy troll you are, STFU. Andrew...Andrew < whining and stomping foot> Moo's calling me names and using bad words. Does that mean that the Holy Spirit condemns him for name calling and bad grammar? My Magic 8 Ball says, "yes." >> Http://www.Group-mail.Com/asp/common/downloads.Asp >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Does that mean that the Holy Spirit condemns him for name calling and > bad grammar? My Magic 8 Ball says, "yes." No doubt he does, Yammers. > satan via a sermite sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > No doubt he does, Yammers. It is done. Sermo investors duly notified about: http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS moving you to help with this. Laus Deo ! ! ! Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Dec 5, 3:32 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > satan via a sermite sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. And yet, an MDPhD who doesn't address legitimate concerns and questions about his claims for success for his 2PD approach is acceptable? My Magic 8 Ball and the Holy Spirit say that Andrew B Chung is untruthful. Lies or sins by omission are just as bad as those by commission, Andrew says so himself in his Mableton online press release where he allegedly slew Bell South after he violated their TOS. Let's see how Chung's impotent threat to "expose Sermo" plays out. After all, there have been over 1million hits to Andrew's web page already since he posted it first on 1 December (he's now back dated it to 21 November and keeps upping the hit count) just as he allegedly sold his emorycardiology.com domain name for 1 million dollars after months of negotiations with the real Emory per Chung's own, fake press release. And then there is the unprecedented 2 million dollar guarantee to back his claim that no one fails on his diet, since no one claimed it yet, that proved that his diet works, he says. There are over 600,000 people who followed his diet approach and successfully lost weight...sez Chung and only Chung Wow, with a track record like that and a powerhouse client portfolio list coming from the only member of http://www.cygnusconsultants.com/ people are sure to sit up and take notice of Chung. He's even invented his own country...Rebukistan! And BTW, the check to Andrew from Sermo was likely the checks that many of us Sermo participants receive from time to time. The clients (not the venture capital investors who gave start up money to Sermo) offer $20 here and there to respondents on random threads. Sermo members don't know in advance which threads might pay for voting or commenting on them. I've received a check from Sermo for $20 to $80 a few times myself. The clients also pay Sermo for the privilege of seeing the results and answers to some of the threads and polls. They don't have random permission to eavesdrop on every thread. Most of the clients (Pfizer) is the exception are anonymous. Unlike the venture capitalists (the 3 MU and Andrew plan to mass email) who were start up money for the idea the names of the clients are not yet disclosed to the physicians on Sermo or to the public. If I client posts a question for Sermo members to consider and vote and comment on, s/he has a "client" icon by the post. I suspect many clients are pharma industry and maybe hedge fund trying to decide if a soon-to-be released med will be a hit on the market.. They usually ask questions about new drugs that are undergoing trial and not yet released and if we would use them with our patients. Most of the time they hear that the majority of physicians are using the tried and true meds that are already working for our patients, or that the ones whose patent has run and are now generic and less expensive work out better for our patients. Client posts are the minority of posts to Sermo. Most of the time we discuss unusual diagnostic dilemmas or how to handle difficult patient situations, or ethical dilemmas or how to handle patients on controlled substances who seem to be addicted, or the stresses of being a physician and frustrations with third party insurance billing and Medicare cuts, or what presidential candidate is likely to be best to fix the broken US health care system or how it feels to be woken up at night on call with relatively minor problems that could easily wait until the morning; or how Chung was a sad, delusional man with Christianity as the focus for his mental illness and other colleagues with substance abuse or mental health issues who can no longer effectively and safely practice medicine. On Dec 5, 8:32 am, yamant...@aol.com wrote: > On Dec 5, 3:32 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > with substance abuse or mental health issues who can no longer > effectively and safely practice medicine. Chung How come no response to this - It seems you can't respond or "convict" those who do tell the truth On Dec 5, 8:32 am, yamant...@aol.com > And BTW, the check to Andrew from Sermo was likely the checks that > many of us Sermo participants receive from time to time. The clients [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > commenting on them. I've received a check from Sermo for $20 to $80 a > few times myself. Absolutely true. Second, if a company is going to pay off someone, they are going to get a release first rather than just sending a check. > And then there is the unprecedented 2 million dollar > guarantee to back his claim that no one fails on his diet, Yammers, I know you are trying your hardest to avoid MU in debate, you must train at the Cary Kittrell School Of Run and Hide. Why don't you take the challenge? You see, I have been down this road with another poster who, like you eventually, ran away. I posted the $$$$ and challenged him to undergo the 2PD in a highly controlled situation. In a room, with all comforts but carefully and totally monitored food intake. Weighing once, maybe twice a week, doesn't matter. Minimum, 8 weeks (depends on your overfat level, the idea is to get you to an optimal weight without killing you, of course). Whaddya say? > > And then there is the unprecedented 2 million dollar > > guarantee to back his claim that no one fails on his diet, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Whaddya say? Mu why waste my time doing that when a) you're an idiot and b) I'm healthy and fit now. Chung already claims empiric evidence for his diet and that he has > 600,000 people who have successfully followed this approach for over five years, and Chung claims that the latest CDC announcement that the trends of obesity are leveling off are due to people following his approach. Just present a paper with evidence of these claims to a peer reviewed journal and get it published. I challenge you and Chung to do that...which we all know will never happen, you pussy. Hint: don't use made up terms like, "overfat level" when writing for the peer reviewed medical or scientific journal. >> Yammers, I know you are trying your hardest to avoid MU in debate, you must >> train at the Cary Kittrell School Of Run and Hide. Why don't you take the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Mu why waste my time Exactly what I thought you dunk and evade with. Non sequitor. Go join the other children. See ya' *plonk* > >> Yammers, I know you are trying your hardest to avoid MU in debate, you must > >> train at the Cary Kittrell School Of Run and Hide. Why don't you take the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > *plonk* Moo once again proves he is unable to read with comprehension and is semi-illiterate. He tries to use big words like non sequitor [sic] but is unable to spell them correctly or grasp their proper usage. Debate is just Moo puffing up his chest and spouting off. Moo, you evaded the issue and ran away. Take your challenge money and Andrews unprecedented 2 million dollar guarantee money and publish a study of the results of the thousands of people Andrew claims have had success on his 2PD-OMER Approach. Do it in a peer reviewed journal. A study with an n of 1 isn't worth squat. Although according to the MU- Chung dialogs, you yourself are just restricting the amount of what you eat and not following Chung's plan nor are you doing Chung's "homework." Portion control is not a new idea. Weight Watchers and many other plans to change how people relate to food already use this. So Moo, you are not some sort of visionary for advising people to eat less. Neither is Chung. The trick is getting people to change their behaviors and actually stick with lifestyle changes. When someone comes up with an approach that accomplishes that, others listen. On Dec 7, 8:29 am, yamant...@aol.com wrote: > > >> Yammers, I know you are trying your hardest to avoid MU in debate, you must > > >> train at the Cary Kittrell School Of Run and Hide. Why don't you take the [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > behaviors and actually stick with lifestyle changes. When someone > comes up with an approach that accomplishes that, others listen. Well said Yamantaka. The problem is that you are using evidence based reasoning and Chung and Mu are not. If you will agree that one plus one is three, I can show you amazing conclusions, but could never have any meaningful discussion with someone who thinks one plus one is two. You cannot carry on any meaningful medical/scientific rational discussion with someone who is medically/scientifically irrational. See: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/browse_thread/thread/6dbaca9cf 7bc5152#2d20dd306696ee74 I will assume that most on this list are familiar with Chung and what, and how, he advocates. I will also assume most are familiar with evidence based medicine and will not repeat it here. For a PhD candidate in the medical/scientific fields, he would have to present evidence and it would not be the responsibilty of those giving him the PhD to prove him wrong, but his responsibility to justify his claims. In the medical, and scientific, world it is the onus of the one proposing something new to provide proof, not the others to disprove it. Since this is, at least in name, a medical site, then should expect evidence based medical postings, especially by someone with an MD after his name. I would imagine most on this list are familiar with Chung's numerous postings and what he advocates and that they are not based on medical evidence but a "discerning heart." Evidence based medicine is different from "discerning heart" based medicine. There is no way to carry on a conversation between people using the evidenced based and the discerning heart based. Evidence based medicine has been around and successfully used for years. Chung's medical and PhD degrees and his specialty boards were based on evidence based system. Since Chung likes to quote scripture, need to look no further than Proverbs 23:9 for trying to carry on any discussion with Chung: Proverbs 23:9 (King James Version): "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of thy words." > Since this is, at least in name, a medical site, then should expect > evidence based medical postings, especially by someone with an MD [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > medicine. There is no way to carry on a conversation between people > using the evidenced based and the discerning heart based. This is Usenet, self-imposed rules traditionally fail here as yours have, potentially, failed you. > Evidence based medicine has been around and successfully used for > years. So have umbrellas. > Chung's medical and PhD degrees and his specialty boards were based on > evidence based system. Incorrect. > Since Chung likes to quote scripture, need to look no further than > Proverbs 23:9 for trying to carry on any discussion with Chung: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of > thy words." This assumes your words are wise, to date, you have flunked my evidence based assessment of you. See how that werkz? BusinessAccountEm...@gmail.com wrote: > The problem is that you are using evidence based reasoning and Chung > and Mu are not. What's unreasonable about the idea of each and every single one of 600,000 nomads having their food weighed out on a daily basis to what these days would equal exactly two lbs? I'd hate to be at the end of that line. > What's unreasonable about the idea of each and every single one of > 600,000 nomads having their food weighed out on a daily basis to what > these days would equal exactly two lbs? I'd hate to be at the end of > that line. You cannot reason with the unreasonable. >> What's unreasonable about the idea of each and every single one of >> 600,000 nomads having their food weighed out on a daily basis to what >> these days would equal exactly two lbs? I'd hate to be at the end of >> that line. > > You cannot reason with the unreasonable. "It is unreasonable to live your life around cliches'" ~MU, circa a few seconds ago > The problem is that you are using evidence based reasoning and Chung > and Mu are not. Point/cite where that is the case about MU. > If you will agree that one plus one is three, I can show you amazing > conclusions, but could never have any meaningful discussion with > someone who thinks one plus one is two. Certainly can. > You cannot carry on any meaningful medical/scientific rational > discussion with someone who is medically/scientifically irrational. You would only be correct if you entered into that discussion with the sole purpose of either convincing them otherwise or to affirm your own beliefs. I can see you don't understand debate either. You're double helix screwed. > > satan via a sermite sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/SermoExposed Oh, it was "done" long before that. -- cary > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Oh, it was "done" long before that. If that were true... Sermo.com ... would already look like... http://NetCabal.com :-) May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Dec 5, 4:57 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > http://NetCabal.com > > :-) Now, clean your keyboard. > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://NetCabal.com Look, Andy! A windmill!! A genyouwine win.. I mean GIANT, a giant, definitely a giant! Look, Andy, a giant!!! -- cary > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Look, Andy, a giant!!! A dead one... http://BellSouth.com ... being eaten by the at&t vulture after being slain by David: http://TruthRUS.org/DavidvsGoliath Laus Deo ! ! ! Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling you to continue to unwittingly serve as a beacon warn your atheist friends away from blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Dec 5, 11:27 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a254f1e65f40b59c What happen with the Sermo deadline? >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > ... being eaten by the at&t vulture after being slain by David: Can you slay me like that next? I could use $67 billion...  SignatureMark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!" - Blair Houghton "Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> > On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:27:18 -0800, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Can you slay me like that next? I could use $67 billion... Why, did that guy just put Uzbekistan up on Ebay? (don't be a chump -- Uzbekistan is, like, sooo last Cold War. all the beautiful people are into Rebukistan these days) -- cary <snip> > all the beautiful people are into > Rebukistan these days) Haha... ^^ As for the idiot parading around with the "<><" fish in his title who is apparently a cardiologist... surely you must have taken enough biology in your education to know better. But some people never learn. I had a Catholic chemistry prof. She was a gigantic bitch, also... and made numerous mistakes. She was, of course, very smart. She was just dead stupid wrong about the "big questions". The little questions? Yeah, she had those down. Titrations? No problem. Electronegativity of Oxygen? Memorized! Bond angles? You bet! But she *did* manage to mix up the names of the Exclusion Principle and some other quantum phenomenon. -- k8 the gr8 >"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >Cold War. all the beautiful people are into >Rebukistan these days) Or in Andy's case, the Bronze Age. SignatureSupreme Leader of the Brainwashed Followers of Art Deco Official "Usenet psychopath and born-again LLPOF minion", as designated by Brad Guth COOSN-266-06-39716 > In article <19b74309-8fa3-48d0-bd1c-8e949d7af...@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> writes: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Look, Andy, a giant!!! Now, now. He'll only tilt at it and if he tilts any further he'll just fall over. >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > If that were true... Got that phone call didja? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a254f1e65f40b59c SignatureMark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ “The alms-giver, in return for a trifling expenditure on this earth, will be rewarded with an infinity of bliss post-mortem. This purely selfish note is struck with great clarity by Judaism, and only less clearly by Christianity....religion has not really promoted charity, but debased it.” - H. L. Mencken On Dec 5, 11:57 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. <X >< >> satan via a sermite sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > It is done. Sermo investors duly notified about: Get that phone call yet? http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/a254f1e65f40b59c SignatureMark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.” - H. L. Mencken >> satan via a sermite sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS moving you > to help with this. Must have struck a nerve, Andrew, out of nowhere, I got my news.individual.net account shut down! lol Oh, well, moving on..... > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> satan via a sermite sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Oh, well, moving on..... The creatures of darkness will lash out at lamps of light. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. >>> satan via a sermite sockpuppet (corporeal demon) wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Must have struck a nerve, Andrew, out of nowhere, I got my > news.individual.net account shut down! lol Violated their terms of service didja now? Maybe you can follow Andy and create two dozen accounts ahead of the people banning them... SignatureMark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion ------------------------------------------------------------ "Arrogance has to be earned. Tell me what you've done to earn yours." - Dr. House > Must have struck a nerve, Andrew, out of nowhere, I got my > news.individual.net account shut down! lol > > Oh, well, moving on..... If it had happened anyone else Andrew would've said they'd been convicted and stricken. >> Must have struck a nerve, Andrew, out of nowhere, I got my >> news.individual.net account shut down! lol [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If it had happened anyone else Andrew would've said they'd been > convicted and stricken. Maybe I was. yamant...@aol.com wrote: > > Http://www.Group-mail.Com/asp/common/downloads.Asp > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Does that mean that the Holy Spirit condemns him for name calling and > bad grammar? My Magic 8 Ball says, "yes." This is such a quintessential double standard. "Brother MU" Writes STFU and calls Susan a "tool". But that's ok since because he's apparently Andrew's one and only ally he's automatically free from any conviction that anyone else would be under for writing such things. Funny how that works. > This is such a quintessential double standard. "Brother MU" Writes > STFU and calls Susan a "tool". But that's ok since because he's > apparently Andrew's one and only ally he's automatically free from any > conviction that anyone else would be under for writing such things. > Funny how that works. Funny how you missed the part where I answered that there is a possibility I have done so to myself. I would suggest that the term convicted be interpreted, is this a permanent conviction, if so, where does Chung claim that? If not, then humans, including MU are bound by their natural innaturalnesss lol to screw up. > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I would suggest that the term convicted be interpreted, is this a permanent > conviction, if so, where does Chung claim that? Have not. The Holy Spirit convicts whomever HE chooses to convict. HIS will be done and not my will. HE is GOD. HIS purpose for me here remains to inform. > If not, then humans, > including MU are bound by their natural innaturalnesss lol to screw up. Thankfully, we, who are Jesus's brethren, remain forgiven by GOD: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ There is no double standard... ... only one standard, Who is the way: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay "I am the way, the truth, and the life... " -- LORD Jesus Christ Amen. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/BeBlessed Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. You have an over active and demented imagination! >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > You have an over active and demented imagination! True Bill, but bet your bottom dollar, it is a well trained and indoctrinated one ! Bob > >> satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com > > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Our armchair pope of mapleton opines: "The Holy Spirit convicts whomever HE chooses to convict." Scripture if you please, the absolutely predicted silence will be evidence enough to know if the truth is in the author or if it is but one more example of making up theology as one goes along.. Maybe a deadline should be set for a response, the predicted silence will be loud enough for self conviction.. God bless. tr...@is-best.com wrote: > Our armchair pope of mapleton opines: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > God bless. Does he really need to provide scripture reference? Seems to me he's implying that everything he writes is just as inspired as the scriptures themselves. And not only is it "The Holy Spirit convicts whomever HE chooses to convict." but then apparently according to the armchair pope, dictates who has been convicted to him, so that he can hotlink their names down on a list with Google references. >> Maybe a deadline should be set for a response, the predicted silence >> will be loud enough for self conviction.. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > implying that everything he writes is just as inspired as the > scriptures themselves. Cite where the Scriptural authors were equally inspired. > And not only is it "The Holy Spirit convicts whomever HE chooses to > convict." but then apparently according to the armchair pope, dictates > who has been convicted to him, so that he can hotlink their names down > on a list with Google references. So you're saying the HS likes Google? > >> Maybe a deadline should be set for a response, the predicted silence > >> will be loud enough for self conviction.. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > So you're saying the HS likes Google? Again, Moot in the Spirit of Andrew's Thug proves that he is unable to read with comprehension. > >> Maybe a deadline should be set for a response, the predicted silence > >> will be loud enough for self conviction.. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Cite where the Scriptural authors were equally inspired. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_inerrancy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament#Canonization > > And not only is it "The Holy Spirit convicts whomever HE chooses to > > convict." but then apparently according to the armchair pope, dictates > > who has been convicted to him, so that he can hotlink their > > names down > > on a list with Google references. I'm saying in my opinion the interpretive "discerning" regarding those who have supposedly been "convicted" and that the "convicted / stricken" list is solely the invention of a man with an axe to grind. The fact that despite your apparent predilection towards writing profanity laced derogatory statements and comments, you are referred to as "brother" instead of "convicted", simply because you stoke the man's ego, further enforces this foregone conclusion. > So you're saying the HS likes Google? No. But all the same, I'm sure the High School system likes Googel just fine. > HIS purpose for me here remains to inform. So what about: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. Matthew 7:6 alt.atheism: > The Holy Spirit convicts whomever HE chooses to convict. Referring to yourself in the third person, Andy, and you still expect us to believe that you're sane? SignatureDavid Silverman C.B.E. aa #2208 Lord Mayor of Awphucket And now, today's sponsor message: For the beluga caviar of stupidity, it's got to be... Brian Carey. Available in a newsgroup near you. convicted neighbor David Silverman wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/92226f4c773e7b0b? > > Referring to yourself in the third person, Andy Have not... ... for I am not the Holy Spirit: Bottom line: You remain pathologically untruthful. This simply shows why you have served as a haven for evil spirits: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5058a3ae920d7bb3? Thus, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts >, and you still expect us to believe that you're sane? GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to convince. Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS giving you just enough wisdom to again stop short of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit so that you can continue to serve as a bright beacon to warn away your atheist friends from being foolhardy. Laus Deo ! ! ! May we, who are Jesus' brethren, continue to pray for your very troubled soul: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDavid Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. to sci.med.cardiology: > convicted neighbor David Silverman wrote: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ... for I am not the Holy Spirit: Then you cannot speak for it the way you pretend that you do. > Bottom line: > > You remain pathologically untruthful. Can you say "projection"? > This simply shows why you have served as a haven for evil spirits: > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5058a3ae920d7bb3? You make this sh.t up as you go along, Andy. You have not one shred of integrity. > Thus, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to convince. Well, thank God for that! LoL. You certainly aren't persuading anybody of anything - other than the fact that you have totally lost the plot. > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS giving you > just enough wisdom to again stop short of blaspheming against the Holy [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Andrew <>< Written fish is silent mania > -- > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Who gave you that million dollars just so that you could keep control of it? The Holy Spirit? You just love to insult people's intelligence, don't you? > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Translation: "It isn't me!" (spoken with the whiny voice of a 12 year old who has been caught stealing his dad's beer from the fridge). You are living proof, Andy, of what I already knew before I saw your rantings: Born Again Christians are motivated by a desire to ditch all of their personal responsibility for things. They then invent a fake sense of responsibility by concerning themselves with the destinies of other people's "immortal souls". It's exactly the same mentality as those who push addictive drugs, it is precisely as morally bankrupt. I rejected hard drugs, religion and received wisdom as a package 38 years ago, so prayer is futile. As to selling me "a personal relationship with" a mythical figure whose legend has it that he was nailed to a lump of wood to atone for my "sins" 2,000 years before I was born, you may as well go and sell moonshine in Mecca. Reading the Bible for comprehension, what was the "original sin", Andy? Who lied to Adam & Eve? Who told the truth? Define the word "day" without resorting to Jesuitical sophistry. I'm holding you accountable for a bit of intellectual integrity here, so don't run away. SignatureDavid Silverman C.B.E. aa #2208 Lord Mayor of Awphucket convicted neighbor David Siliverman wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:: > > convicted neighbor David Silverman wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Then you cannot speak for it the way you pretend that you do. Have not been speaking for the Holy Spirit. Instead, HE has been guiding me in everything I say, do, and write. > > Bottom line: > > > > You remain pathologically untruthful. > > Can you say "projection"? I can, but it would be meaningless to say it at this moment. > > This simply shows why you have served as a haven for evil spirits: > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/5058a3ae920d7bb3? > > You make this sh.t up as you go along, Andy. It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully. > You have not one shred of integrity. Without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). > > Thus, the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Well, thank God for that! LoL. "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit. Amen. > You certainly aren't persuading anybody of > anything - other than the fact that you have totally lost the plot. Again, GOD's purpose for me here remains to inform and not to either convince or persuade. > > Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS giving you > > just enough wisdom to again stop short of blaspheming against the Holy [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Written fish is silent mania Again without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). > > -- > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it? The Holy Spirit? You just love to insult people's intelligence, don't > you? Answered elsewhere: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee > > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > > Translation: "It isn't me!" (spoken with the whiny voice of a 12 year old > who has been caught stealing his dad's beer from the fridge). What is written plainly does not require translation. > You are living proof, Andy, of what I already knew before I saw your > rantings: Born Again Christians are motivated by a desire to ditch all of > their personal responsibility for things. They then invent a fake sense > of responsibility by concerning themselves with the destinies of other > people's "immortal souls". It's exactly the same mentality as those who > push addictive drugs, it is precisely as morally bankrupt. Born-again Christians are motivated and guided by the Holy Spirit: "The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 3:8) Amen. > I rejected hard drugs, religion and received wisdom as a package 38 years > ago, so prayer is futile. It is because of the prayers of Jesus' brethren that you were able to escape evil 38 years ago. May we, who are Jesus' brethen, continue to pray for your very troubled soul, dear David: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForDavid Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. to alt.atheism: > convicted neighbor David Siliverman wrote: >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:: [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > Again without the LORD, your beliefs are meaningless (Ecclesiastes). Were you "with the lord" when you did your PhD? >> > -- >> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Guarantee Like I said, You just love to insult people's intelligence. >> > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. >> >> Translation: "It isn't me!" (spoken with the whiny voice of a 12 year >> old who has been caught stealing his dad's beer from the fridge). > > What is written plainly does not require translation. What is plain is that you are trying to weasel out of being responsible for anything. >> You are living proof, Andy, of what I already knew before I saw your >> rantings: Born Again Christians are motivated by a desire to ditch [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Born-again Christians are motivated and guided by the Holy Spirit: I note your failure to honestly address what I wrote. > "The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you > cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. Wrong: http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USGA0028_f.html > Amen. I'm glad you agree with me :-) (see how annoying it is to be on the receiving end?) >> I rejected hard drugs, religion and received wisdom as a package 38 >> years ago, so prayer is futile. > > It is because of the prayers of Jesus' brethren that you were able to > escape evil 38 years ago. So, you agree with me that religion and received wisdom are evil. Good. Now address what you snipped. I told you not to run away from it. David Silverman C.B.E. aa #2208 Lord Mayor of Awphucket And now, today's sponsor message: For the beluga caviar of stupidity, it's got to be... Brian Carey. Available in a newsgroup near you. convicted neighbor David Silverman wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > convicted neighbor David Siliverman wrote: [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > Were you "with the lord" when you did your PhD? Yes. GOD remains the Source of all knowledge and wisdom. To HIM belongs all the glory here. Laus Deo ! ! ! > >> > -- > >> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Like I said, You just love to insult people's intelligence. Without the LORD, there is no intelligence... ... only foolishness and vanity (Ecclesiastes). > >> > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What is plain is that you are trying to weasel out of being responsible > for anything. My responsibility per GOD's will remains to guard my heart, which is HIS Temple: http://HeartMDPhD.com/StrongMan May we, who are Jesus' strong brethren, continue to pray for you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/PrayForCary Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. On Dec 9, 11:18 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > convicted neighbor David Silverman wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 133 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Chung, your interpretation of Jesus or the Lord or "Holy Spirit" is not the same Holy Spirit or God or Lord that the rest of us recognize. Your interpretation of the bible passages or the volume of an omer being 2 pounds and your alleged quotes from Ecclesiastes are your own idiosyncratic interpretations. Your own mind is playing tricks on you. Your prayers and rote platitudes mean diddly squat. They are repetitive rantings from a psychotic mind. You are not some chosen being. You are a mentally ill man who uses pseudo Christianity as the focus of your delusions. Jesus and the Holy Spirit and God would not approve of your twisting the truth. You are doing it for your own ego. You are a classic study in ego-syntonic, regressed narcissism. That is not blessed or holy; just self-centered. You are an impotent, incompetent washed up physician without any credibility or patients. Your medical license will soon be revoked for reasons of mental illness and intellectual dishonesty. I feel sorry for your daughter and hope that her mother shields her from your nonsense. Just how does *your* "Holy Spirit" discern who should go on your convicted list? When a person doesn't agree with your whacko ideas? I truly hope you get some psychiatric help. Although at times entertaining, the truth is I find It is sad to witness the spiraling deterioration of intellectual function of someone who might have had some intelligence at one point in time in his career. That you tie it all up in pseudo-Christian crap fantasies and confabulations makes it even sadder. On Dec 8, 9:22 pm, "Sanity's Little Helper" <elv...@noshpam.org> wrote: > alt.atheism: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Brian Carey. > Available in a newsgroup near you. Sermo is standing yet. So much for the power of the "Holy Spirit" AKA Andrew B. Chung. On Dec 8, 6:44 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Lawful steward ofhttp://EmoryCardiology.com > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. It seems that the "Holy Spirit" AKA Andrew B. Chung is the one whining about Sermo and condoning name calling. > The Holy Spirit convicts whomever HE chooses to convict. In my opinion, it is not up to a man to supposedly divine (incorrectly categorized by some as discern) how the Spirit is personally guiding another person. It is easy to explore the difference between divination and discernment. According to my interpretation, conviction of the Holy Spirit is a matter of the Spirit personally guiding an individual. What some people refer to as their conscience; their inner voice. Sometimes a person's inner voice is just that, their own thoughts. Sometimes it is God personally guiding them. It is important that those who wish to do God's will, learn to differentiate or discern what God is guiding them to do, from what are their own personal decisions (or wants) or what are decisions based on input from another source. In my opinion, it is a man acting alone who classifies those a man doesn't like as "convicted" and or a "corporeal demon". It is apparently solely motivated by a man having an axe to grind with someone. A man is the one who labels others a man doesn't like as "convicted" in a man's Usenet articles. A man who posts innumerable off topic articles in the apparent guise of a prayer request that appear to amount to be nothing more than a segregated continuation of a peeing contest. A man is the one who writes out apparent grudge lists of those whom a man classifies supposedly by way of divination as "convicted". It is a man who hotlinks the names on the list to the a man's Usenet exchanges via Google archives; in essence apparently keeping a score card. It is mainly as I see it, a tactic of a man used for the purpose of dramatic license. And yes, I know, I'm the umpteen zillion person to waste time hammering out such observation. In the world of the troll, I have allowed myself to be hooked, netted and gutted. Mind you this is all my personal interpretation of matters, and that my personal interpretation is in no way infallible. As to my interpretations being influenced by God in any way, well that would require a lot more studious weighing, pondering and prayer for me (and me alone) to thoroughly and properly discern. At this point in time, I personally consider these matters existing in the realm of Usenet too trivial to necessitate a whole lot of studious weighing, pondering and prayer. In my opinion, there are too many important things going on in the world, to spend much time on something that as far as I'm concerned effects about 0.00000001% of what's happening in the world. It is up to the reader to discern whether my interpretations carry any validity whatsoever, or whether I'm just full of beans and have yet to realize it. > > This is such a quintessential double standard. "Brother MU" Writes > > STFU and calls Susan a "tool". But that's ok since because he's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Funny how you missed the part where I answered that there is a possibility > I have done so to myself. That's not relevant, as you are not the one employing what I percieve to be a double standard. > I would suggest that the term convicted be interpreted, is this a permanent > conviction, if so, where does Chung claim that? If not, then humans, > including MU are bound by their natural innaturalnesss lol to screw up. What it means MU, is that the way I see it, there are many things that you write, that if written by anyone a certain man has an axe to grind with, they would automatically be labeled as "convicted" by that man for writing it. But apparently since you stroke the man's ego, you are exempted. Hence the double standard, not employed by you, but by the man. > Http://www.Group-mail.Com/asp/common/downloads.Asp > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > To Yammers, unless you're willing to step up and actually debate instead of > yammer around like the scuzy troll you are, STFU. Sleep with rats, catch the plague. Don't say I didn't warn you, fucknuts. On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:23:02 -0800 (PST), The Rev Dr Hugh Jarse NLAHN wrote: >> Http://www.Group-mail.Com/asp/common/downloads.Asp >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sleep with rats, catch the plague. Don't say I didn't warn you, > fucknuts. Thanks, Brother. *plonk* |
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