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MarilynMann - 24 Oct 2007 18:41 GMT Viral Infections May Be Linked To Obesity
ScienceDaily (Oct. 24, 2007) - Experts don't dispute the important role that diet and activity play in maintaining a healthy weight. But can poor eating habits and a less active lifestyle fully explain the prevalence of obesity in the United States today? That question has led some researchers to ask whether there might be other causes for this serious problem.
Researcher Richard Atkinson, M.D., asserts that there is a growing body of evidence demonstrating that viruses may play a role in causing obesity in humans.
"The cause of obesity is not a secret -- if you consume more calories than you burn in daily activity, you gain weight. What is interesting is that much of the obesity epidemic cannot be explained just by Americans eating more and exercising less. There are other factors at play, and viruses causing obesity may be one of them," say Dr. Atkinson.
Dr. Atkinson, director of Obetech Obesity Research Center in Richmond, Va., reviewed multiple published articles that demonstrate a connection between viral infections and obesity. His article in Mayo Clinic Proceedings* discusses five animal viruses and three human viruses that have been shown to cause obesity in laboratory studies.
According to Dr. Atkinson, several studies offer ample evidence that animals infected with certain human viruses experience excess weight gain and fat storage. When researchers infected animal subjects with a human virus known as Human Ad-36, they reported measurable increases in the infected animals' body fat and the visceral fat that surrounds the organs deep within the belly. In addition, studies also demonstrated that infection with Ad-36 and the resulting weight gain could be transmitted from infected animals to uninfected animals.
Information on virus-induced obesity in human subjects is much more limited. Citing his own study conducted in 2005, Dr. Atkinson also showed a connection between obesity and exposure to the Ad-36 virus in humans. Dr. Atkinson's study screened for antibodies to Ad-36 (a sign of exposure to this virus) in 502 people of varying body weights, both obese and non-obese, from three cities in the United States. Ad-36 antibodies were found in 30 percent of obese individuals and 11 percent of lean individuals. Study results also showed highly significant differences in body mass index (BMI) between antibody- positive and antibody-negative individuals.
Dr. Atkinson also highlighted a study that looked at 89 sets of American adult twins and screened them for Ad-36. Because twins tend to be similar in many characteristics, including body weight, the researchers looked at twin pairs where one twin tested positively for Ad-36 and the other did not.
"Antibody-positive twins were slightly, but significantly, heavier and fatter than their antibody negative co-twins," says Dr. Atkinson. "The infected twins had a higher BMI and a greater percent of body fat than the uninfected co-twins."
In the mid-1970s, a virus called SMAM-1 was believed responsible for an increased death rate among commercially raised chickens in India. SMAM-1 is associated with decreased immune function and an increased accumulation of body fat in infected chickens. Dr. Atkinson reports that one study tested 52 obese humans for antibodies to SMAM-1. About 20 percent had SMAM-1 antibodies, indicating exposure to this virus. The study participants who had these antibodies were heavier and had a higher body mass index compared with the antibody-negative group.
Dr. Atkinson's article also explores what current research has to say about the possible mechanisms underlying virus-induced obesity. Some research suggests that viral infections have a direct effect on adipocytes, cells that manufacture and store fat, turning on the enzymes of fat accumulation and recruitment of new adipocytes.
What's the next step for this research? According to Dr. Atkinson, "the body of evidence linking adenoviruses to obesity in humans is now sufficient to think about the next step. Ideally, we could prevent infection and virus-induced obesity with a vaccine for the obesity viruses. Development of a human vaccine will take several years."
*This work is published in the October issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings.
Adapted from materials provided by Mayo Clinic.
Mayo Clin Proc. 2007;82:1192-1198 © 2007 Mayo Foundation for Medical Education and Research
REVIEW Viruses as an Etiology of Obesity RICHARD L. ATKINSON, MD
Individual reprints of this article are not available. Address correspondence to Richard L. Atkinson, MD, Director, Obetech Obesity Research Center, 800 E Leigh St, Suite 50, Richmond, VA 23219 (ratkinson2@vcu.edu).
Obesity is a serious chronic disease that has numerous etiologies. The prevalence of obesity has increased dramatically since about 1980 in the United States and worldwide in both developed and developing countries. This rapid spread is compatible with an infectious origin. This review discusses the 5 animal viruses and 3 human viruses that have been shown to cause obesity and examines the evidence to date for virus-induced obesity. The obesogenic animal viruses include canine distemper virus, Rous-associated virus type 7, Borna disease virus, scrapie agent, and SMAM-1. The first 4 viruses attack the central nervous system to produce obesity. SMAM-1, an avian adenovirus from India, acts directly on adipocytes and is the only animal virus that is associated with human obesity. The 3 human adenoviruses, adenovirus (Ad) 36, Ad-37, and Ad-5, that are associated with obesity also affect adipocytes directly. These viruses stimulate enzymes and transcription factors that cause accumulation of triglycerides and differentiation of preadipocytes into mature adipocytes. Ad-5 and Ad-37 have been shown to cause obesity in animals. Ad-36 has been studied the most and is the only human adenovirus to date that has been linked with human obesity. Ad-36 causes obesity in chickens, mice, rats, and monkeys and was present in 30% of obese humans and 11% of nonobese humans. In twins discordant for infection with Ad-36, the infected twins were heavier and fatter than their cotwins. The growing body of evidence demonstrating that viruses produce human obesity supports the concept that at least some of the worldwide epidemic of obesity in the past 25 years is due to viral infections.
Mayo Clin Proc. 2007;82(10):1192-1198
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Oct 2007 19:09 GMT If there were a virus causing obesity, we would have given away the million dollars months ago:
http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee
"Eat right and exercise more" is a false mantra for weight loss...
... a lie.
The true mantra for weight loss is...
... "eat less."
Truth is simple.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
> Viral Infections May Be Linked To Obesity > [quoted text clipped - 118 lines] > > Mayo Clin Proc. 2007;82(10):1192-1198 truth@is-best.com - 24 Oct 2007 20:25 GMT Our armchair speculator opines:
"If there were a virus causing obesity, we would have given away the million dollars months ago:"
But the real scientists don't know about what is yet to be established to exist and more important do not care in the least about it. Many scientists get mail on a regular basis from peddlers of trash science and file it in the round file instantly.
There is a flaw of logic in the above claim about a virus as cause. Such lateral lurches of cognitive function are quite revealing.
God bless.
cteasd5941@gmail.com - 25 Oct 2007 00:12 GMT > There is a flaw of logic in the above claim about a virus as cause.<<<<<< There is some truth in it adenovirus 36 has been associated with obesity. Even where twins are concerned when one is fatter than the other, the obese twin has been found to have antibodies. Other adenoviruses are being experimented on with some similar findings. The problem is that it is not ethical to inoculate humans with the virus to prove the point, but in chickens who have been given the virus, they can eat the same but lay down more body fat.
There is of course medical conditions in humans which have the same effect i.e. hypothyroidism.
Knowing the cause can only lead to a vaccine sometime in the future, it will do nothing to help those who have already had the infection. Until then there is only diet and exercise anyway.
In Christ's love Carol T
> God bless. Cary Kittrell - 24 Oct 2007 20:42 GMT > If there were a virus causing obesity, we would have given away the > million dollars months ago: Only if this virus can violate the First Law of Thermodynamics.
In which case it will be worth much, much more than a measly million.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Oct 2007 21:54 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Only if this virus can violate the First Law of Thermodynamics. That would be the expectation for anything that causes obesity without folks eating more, which is what is being proposed.
> In which case it will be worth much, much more than a measly million. The million dollars would not be for the virus but for the first obese person that fails to achieve sustained weight loss using the 2PD-OMER Approach.
Truth is simple.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Cary Kittrell - 24 Oct 2007 22:43 GMT > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That would be the expectation for anything that causes obesity without > folks eating more, which is what is being proposed. No, it isn't. Even when calories-in is fixed, coth calories-out and unused-out will depend on a number of other parameters, both behavioral and physiological.
> > In which case it will be worth much, much more than a measly million. > > The million dollars would not be for the virus but for the first obese > person that fails to achieve sustained weight loss using the 2PD-OMER > Approach. Oh, I don't doubt that a bit. It would be even more certain on one ounce a day. Or none.
-- cary
JESUS WAS A COCKSUCKER! - 25 Oct 2007 03:18 GMT >> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Oh, I don't doubt that a bit. It would be even more certain on > one ounce a day. Or none. we find a fat very short midget-lets see what happens then.......
> -- cary Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Oct 2007 11:25 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > unused-out will depend on a number of other parameters, both > behavioral and physiological. Calories are meaningless units of measure for food because they are not directly measurable without destroying the food.
> > > In which case it will be worth much, much more than a measly million. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oh, I don't doubt that a bit. It would be even more certain on > one ounce a day. Or none. You just contradicted yourself.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender your eternally defeated self by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
truth@is-best.com - 26 Oct 2007 14:47 GMT Our armchair prize holder opines:
> The million dollars would not be for the virus but for the first obese > person that fails to achieve sustained weight loss using the 2PD-OMER > Approach. It was already reported in this newsgroup. Will you now be doing a search of archives so the winner can recieve the prize?
God bless.
Cary Kittrell - 26 Oct 2007 18:16 GMT > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Calories are meaningless units of measure for food because they are > not directly measurable without destroying the food. So you think that three grams of sucrose combusted in a bomb calorimeter has a different enthalpy of formation than three grams of sucrose ingested?
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Oct 2007 01:44 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > has a different enthalpy of formation than three grams of sucrose > ingested? Non sequitur.
This discussion is about food and not seasoning.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
jeeeezuzchrust@hotmail.com - 27 Oct 2007 02:50 GMT On Oct 26, 8:44 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > This discussion is about food and not seasoning. ROFL! Slippery little sucker, isn't he Cary? I've seen toddlers wiggle less than he does. I wonder if he's ever held two conflicting opinions at the same time.. <g>
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Oct 2007 11:37 GMT convicted neighbor Panama Floyd wrote:
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > ROFL! "Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit.
Amen.
This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
May you wisely choose to surrender by publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Archie Leach - 29 Oct 2007 01:47 GMT >convicted neighbor Panama Floyd wrote: [...]
>> ROFL! > >"Written laughter is silent despair." -- Holy Spirit. > >Amen. Out of curiosity, I did a google web search on "Written laughter" and "silent despair".
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=%22silent+despair%22&hl=en&num=100&btnG=Google +Search&as_epq=Written+laughter&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=al l&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images
47 results, ALL leading to archived posts of Dr. Ch'ung's showing up on various web based "forums".
It would thus appear that the ONLY person in the internet who truly believes that Written Laughter indeed is Silent Despair, or that the Holy Spirit could possibly concur with that diagnosis, is Andrew Ch'ung himself.
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Cary Kittrell - 29 Oct 2007 20:54 GMT > On Oct 26, 8:44 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > less than he does. I wonder if he's ever held two conflicting opinions > at the same time.. <g> But hey -- at least we've now learned that sugar, which can comprise tens of percents of the dry weight of many foods, from pastries to any number of commercially prepared foods -- and which, often enough, yields the larger part of the caloric content -- is actually merely "seasoning".
Presumably, as it is just "seasoning", we can ignore it in any discussion of nutrition.
-- cary
Don Kirkman - 26 Oct 2007 18:18 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1193394339.386388.41010@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:
>Calories are meaningless units of measure for food because they are >not directly measurable without destroying the food. And why is it necessary to "directly" measure calories when the literature (not to mention product labels) is full of charts and sources of estimated calorie figures fully adequate for ordinary real life use? Let the food be destroyed in the digestive tract, not in a laboratory. Your repeated reference to a bomb calorimeter is pedantic at best, and a viable inference is that it is an attempt to mislead.
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Cary Kittrell - 26 Oct 2007 19:05 GMT > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in > article <1193394339.386388.41010@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Your repeated reference to a bomb calorimeter is pedantic at best, and a > viable inference is that it is an attempt to mislead. And octane ratings can tell Dr. Chung nothing about the gas he pumps into his car, for the same reasons.
-- cary
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Oct 2007 11:41 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > >Calories are meaningless units of measure for food because they are > >not directly measurable without destroying the food. > > And why is it necessary to "directly" measure calories... The same reason why it is necessary to directly measure speed with a speedometer in order to prevent overspeeding.
Truth is simple.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Don Kirkman - 27 Oct 2007 19:47 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1193481692.604918.91310@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >Calories are meaningless units of measure for food because they are >> >not directly measurable without destroying the food.
>> And why is it necessary to "directly" measure calories...
>The same reason why it is necessary to directly measure speed with a >speedometer in order to prevent overspeeding. So you can't tell the difference between 30mph and 50mpg without a speedometer? This isn't rocket science, you know. If you don't understand, refer back to my comments about lab standards (bomb calorimeters) and real life practical measurements (calorie charts).
It seems a little ridiculous for you to insist on bomb calorimeter measurements as the only acceptable standard for a practical measure of dietary calories while you maintain that it's the sheer weight of the food, not the calorie content, that you've discovered to be the magic approach (which all other diet researchers have overlooked).
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Oct 2007 20:45 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > So you can't tell the difference between 30mph and 50mpg without a > speedometer? You probably mean 50 mph rather than 50 mpg.
The person who does not pay any attention to his/her speedometer is much more likely to be ticketed for overspeeding than the person who keeps an eye on his/her speedometer.
Truth is simple.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Don Kirkman - 28 Oct 2007 08:02 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1193514335.280212.223580@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly: >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >Calories are meaningless units of measure for food because they are >> >> >not directly measurable without destroying the food.
>> >> And why is it necessary to "directly" measure calories...
>> >The same reason why it is necessary to directly measure speed with a >> >speedometer in order to prevent overspeeding.
>> So you can't tell the difference between 30mph and 50mpg without a >> speedometer?
>You probably mean 50 mph rather than 50 mpg. Yes, but you understood it anyway, didn't you?
>The person who does not pay any attention to his/her speedometer is >much more likely to be ticketed for overspeeding than the person who >keeps an eye on his/her speedometer. The person who keeps his eye on his speedometer may have an accident whereas someone watching the road can judge his own speed, that of surrounding traffic, and be watching for problems in the roadway. You can't cite any evidence for your assumption about being ticketed unless you watch the speedometer.
You forgot to respond to this part:
>It seems a little ridiculous for you to insist on bomb calorimeter >measurements as the only acceptable standard for a practical measure of >dietary calories while you maintain that it's the sheer weight of the >food, not the calorie content, that you've discovered to be the magic >approach (which all other diet researchers have overlooked).  Signature Don Kirkman
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Oct 2007 08:12 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Yes, but you understood it anyway, didn't you? It remains possible that you had meant 50 mpg, my understanding aside.
> >The person who does not pay any attention to his/her speedometer is > >much more likely to be ticketed for overspeeding than the person who [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > whereas someone watching the road can judge his own speed, that of > surrounding traffic, and be watching for problems in the roadway. Actually, someone who does not devote part of his/her peripheral vision to the speedometer (ie does not keep an eye on his/her speedometer) is someone who will be a poor judge of his/her own speed.
Truth is simple.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Don Kirkman - 28 Oct 2007 18:46 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1193555570.055866.222710@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly: >> >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >> >Calories are meaningless units of measure for food because they are >> >> >> >not directly measurable without destroying the food.
>> >> >> And why is it necessary to "directly" measure calories...
>> >> >The same reason why it is necessary to directly measure speed with a >> >> >speedometer in order to prevent overspeeding.
>> >> So you can't tell the difference between 30mph and 50mpg without a >> >> speedometer?
>> >You probably mean 50 mph rather than 50 mpg.
>> Yes, but you understood it anyway, didn't you?
>It remains possible that you had meant 50 mpg, my understanding aside. No, it does not remain possible because my intended meaning precluded that possibility.
>> >The person who does not pay any attention to his/her speedometer is >> >much more likely to be ticketed for overspeeding than the person who >> >keeps an eye on his/her speedometer.
>> The person who keeps his eye on his speedometer may have an accident >> whereas someone watching the road can judge his own speed, that of >> surrounding traffic, and be watching for problems in the roadway.
>Actually, someone who does not devote part of his/her peripheral >vision to the speedometer (ie does not keep an eye on his/her >speedometer) is someone who will be a poor judge of his/her own speed.
>Truth is simple. Yes, truth is simple; you wrote "keeps an eye on," not "devote part of . . . peripheral vision to the speedometer."
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Oct 2007 01:34 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > No, it does not remain possible because my intended meaning precluded > that possibility. You have a history of not being truthful and there has been no evidence that you have had a change of heart as far as the truth is concerned.
> >> >The person who does not pay any attention to his/her speedometer is > >> >much more likely to be ticketed for overspeeding than the person who [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Yes, truth is simple; Glad you agree.
> you wrote "keeps an eye on," not "devote part of . > . . peripheral vision to the speedometer." They are synonymous for two-eyed folks :-)
Truth remains simple.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Don Kirkman - 29 Oct 2007 08:08 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1193618084.378998.311620@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>:
>> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>> >> >You probably mean 50 mph rather than 50 mpg.
>> >> Yes, but you understood it anyway, didn't you?
>> >It remains possible that you had meant 50 mpg, my understanding aside.
>> No, it does not remain possible because my intended meaning precluded >> that possibility.
>You have a history of not being truthful and there has been no >evidence that you have had a change of heart as far as the truth is >concerned. You haven't responded to what I wrote; my intention precludes the possibility you wish existed.
Now, provide some evidence that I have a history of not being truthful or retract the statement.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 29 Oct 2007 09:09 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > You haven't responded to what I wrote; my intention precludes the > possibility you wish existed. Actually, I have responded to what you wrote and the response is as above and below:
"You have a history of not being truthful and there has been no evidence that you have had a change of heart as far as the truth is concerned."
> Now, provide some evidence that I have a history of not being truthful > or retract the statement. The above serves well as evidence.
Here would be some more:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d997a6dc98d08c36?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/4dfbdbe9ba96e9dc?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/02997ef006f22ffa?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/04f32ec007ca7cfc?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/0e32fb9db418fdd2?
Bottom line:
You remain pathologically untruthful.
For this reason, you remind me of our dearly departed Bob (this one) Pastorio:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
Bob was also pathologically untruthful:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/libel.asp
It was about this time of year in 2006 that Bob was stricken with cancer of unknown origin that led to his inauspicious death on Fool's day in 2007.
It is possible that you will soon be similarly stricken and so the Holy Spirit guides me to prepare an Internet tomb for you just as HE has recently guided me to do the same for Ferd and David Silverman:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/DonKirkman
May you wisely choose to be spared by receiving eternal life through surrendering upon publicly declaring with your mouth that "Jesus is LORD:"
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
Mark T - 29 Oct 2007 09:14 GMT > Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. ... which is Yawheh not the human Jesus of Nazareth.
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MU - 29 Oct 2007 05:04 GMT > > The person who keeps his eye on his speedometer may have an accident > > whereas someone watching the road can judge his own speed, that of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > vision to the speedometer (ie does not keep an eye on his/her > speedometer) is someone who will be a poor judge of his/her own speed. Racing anyone? As a racing advocate, SCCA licensed, competing in the Historics internationally, avid F1 fan, where racing could care less about speeding tickets lol, every car has speed indicating functions. RPMs, etc etc.
Why? Judging speed by vision alone is only a oart of the best data solution.
JESUS WAS A COCKSUCKER! - 29 Oct 2007 15:35 GMT >> > The person who keeps his eye on his speedometer may have an accident >> > whereas someone watching the road can judge his own speed, that of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Why? Judging speed by vision alone is only a oart of the best data > solution. yep-your a dumbfuck. race fans are morons in the highest order. redneck moron. you probably think pro wrestling is real too. retard.
Don Kirkman - 29 Oct 2007 19:56 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that MU wrote in article <jrd4m6ikwn81.zotlguoypxps.dlg@40tude.net>:
>> > The person who keeps his eye on his speedometer may have an accident >> > whereas someone watching the road can judge his own speed, that of >> > surrounding traffic, and be watching for problems in the roadway.
>> Actually, someone who does not devote part of his/her peripheral >> vision to the speedometer (ie does not keep an eye on his/her >> speedometer) is someone who will be a poor judge of his/her own speed.
>Racing anyone? As a racing advocate, SCCA licensed, competing in the >Historics internationally, avid F1 fan, where racing could care less about >speeding tickets lol, every car has speed indicating functions. RPMs, etc >etc. Dr. Chung's chosen topic was ordinary traffic driving, especially how to avoid tickets for speeding. Nothing to do with specialized things like race cars (for which RPMs are not directly convertible to MPH because of gear ratios and tire/wheel size including tire pressure variations). Race drivers appear to use their real speedometers, not rely on RPM as a surrogate.
What wisdom do you have about the original issue?
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MU - 25 Oct 2007 05:43 GMT > "Eat right and exercise more" is a false mantra for weight loss... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ... "eat less." As a strength/power trainer, it would be in my best financial interests to disagree.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 25 Oct 2007 07:49 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > As a strength/power trainer, it would be in my best financial interests to > disagree. Until you discover that your clients perfom better when they eat less, down to the optimal amount to become healthier (hungrier) thereby losing the harmful VAT that is the source of poisonous adipocytokines which cause muscle atrophy.
Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:
http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
MU - 26 Oct 2007 08:35 GMT > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Andrew <>< To a one. Even the ones that were taught (offensive linemen) that weight was great, when we got their weight inline with their physique, they were better performers.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 26 Oct 2007 18:48 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > was great, when we got their weight inline with their physique, they were > better performers. Yes.
An athlete having harmful VAT is like a speedboat with its anchor down.
May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease
Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Lawful steward of http://EmoryCardiology.com Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
MU - 27 Oct 2007 10:03 GMT > > > > As a strength/power trainer, it would be in my best financial interests > > to [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > An athlete having harmful VAT is like a speedboat with its anchor > down. Professional athletes live most of their lives outside of their sport. Unhealthy mass/overfat may buy them a short term rise in income.
Or not.
VAT compromises the neutral, vertical line of balance; overfat athletes who fall, as they often do, on each other create the exactly incorrect application of f=ma that is desired in performance blocking, for instance.
Overfat athletes who train, let's say the bench press, have a compromised range of bar movement. Good, most of the time not.
Point? Overfat, in the end all, ain't worth it.
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