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Cholesterol levels in small LDL particles predict the risk of coronary

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William Wagner - 24 Oct 2007 14:56 GMT
Has anyone had their small LDL measured?

Bill

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: Eur Heart J. 2007 Oct 17; [Epub ahead of print]

Cholesterol levels in small LDL particles predict the risk of coronary
heart disease in the EPIC-Norfolk prospective population study.
Arsenault BJ, Lemieux I, Després JP, Wareham NJ, Luben R, Kastelein JJ,
Khaw KT, Boekholdt SM.
Department of Cardiology, Québec Heart Institute, Hôpital Laval Research
Centre, Pavilion Marguerite-D'Youville, 4th Floor, 2725, chemin
Sainte-Foy, Québec, QC, Canada G1V 4G5.
Aims To evaluate the association of low-density lipoprotein cholesterol
(LDL-C) levels in small and large LDL particles with risk of incident
coronary heart disease (CHD). Methods and results We performed a
prospective case-control study nested in the EPIC-Norfolk cohort. Cases
were apparently healthy men and women aged 45-79 years who developed
fatal or non-fatal CHD (n = 1035), and who were matched by age, gender,
and enrollment time to 1920 controls who remained free of CHD.
Electrophoretic characteristics of LDL particles were measured using
2-16% polyacrylamide gradient gel electrophoresis. Concentrations of
LDL-C(<255 A) were higher in cases than controls in men (1.34 +/- 0.88
vs. 1.15 +/- 0.80 mmol/L, P < 0.001) as well as in women (1.12 +/- 0.84
vs. 0.94 +/- 0.74 mmol/L, P < 0.001). The unadjusted odds ratio (OR) for
future CHD in men of the top tertile of LDL-C(<255 A) was 1.68 (95% CI,
1.33-2.13; P < 0.001) whereas in women the unadjusted OR was 1.53 (95%
CI, 1.13-2.07; P < 0.001). However, after further adjustments for
confounding variables, the association between LDL-C(<255 A) and CHD was
no longer significant in men and in women. Conclusion Cholesterol
concentrations in different LDL subclasses show different relationships
with CHD risk in this European cohort.
PMID: 17947216 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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Juhana Harju - 24 Oct 2007 15:26 GMT
> Has anyone had their small LDL measured?
>
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> relationships with CHD risk in this European cohort.
> PMID: 17947216 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

Small LDL particles have a quite strong inverse correlation with
triglycerides. Assessing LDL particle size does not give any information
that has practical value in addition to triglyserides, IMHO.

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Jim Chinnis - 24 Oct 2007 16:55 GMT
"Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi> wrote in part:

>Small LDL particles have a quite strong inverse correlation with
>triglycerides.

The correlation is not inverse.
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Juhana Harju - 24 Oct 2007 17:15 GMT
> "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi> wrote in part:
>
>> Small LDL particles have a quite strong inverse correlation with
>> triglycerides.
>
> The correlation is not inverse.

Are you just picky about the term or do you disagree?

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Juhana Harju - 24 Oct 2007 20:24 GMT
> "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi> wrote in part:
>
>> Small LDL particles have a quite strong inverse correlation with
>> triglycerides.
>
> The correlation is not inverse.

My mistake, sorry.

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William Wagner - 24 Oct 2007 20:40 GMT
> > "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi> wrote in part:
> >
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>
> My mistake, sorry.

Can I assume that triglycerides  made lower will lower the small LDL.  
If so should not the impetus be placed on lower triglycerides.  Statins
would be an aberration and lower carbs the way to go.  Yet the masses
get the lipitor  push and nothing about HFCS.

 Bill confused but money rules.

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bigvince - 24 Oct 2007 21:08 GMT
> In article <5o9kegFluor...@mid.individual.net>,
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And not much about fish oil

Am J Clin Nutr. 2007 Aug;86(2):324-33. Links
Docosahexaenoic acid supplementation improves fasting and postprandial
lipid profiles in hypertriglyceridemic men.Kelley DS, Siegel D, Vemuri
M, Mackey BE.
Western Human Nutrition Research Center, Agricultural Research
Service, US Department of Agriculture, University of California Davis,
CA 95616-8683, USA. dkelley@whnrc.usda.gov

BACKGROUND: The effects of docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) on the mean size
and concentrations of VLDL, LDL, and HDL subclasses have not been
previously studied. OBJECTIVE: We determined the effects of DHA
supplementation on the concentrations of apoproteins; large, medium,
and small VLDL, LDL, and HDL particles; and the mean diameters of
these particles in fasting and postprandial plasma. DESIGN:
Hypertriglyceridemic men aged 39-66 y (n = 34) participated in a
double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled parallel study. They
received no supplements for the first 8 d and received either 7.5 g
DHA oil/d (3 g DHA/d) or olive oil (placebo) for the last 90 d.
Lipoprotein particle diameters and concentrations were measured by
nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy. RESULTS: DHA supplementation
for 45 d significantly (P < 0.05) decreased concentrations of fasting
triacylglycerol (24%), large VLDL (92%), and intermediate-density
lipoproteins (53%) and the mean diameter of VLDL particles (11.1 nm).
It elevated concentrations of LDL cholesterol (12.6%), small VLDL
particles (133%), and large LDL particles (120%) and the mean diameter
of LDL particles (0.6 nm) in fasting plasma. Similar changes were
observed for area under the curve for postprandial samples (0-6 h);
however, the number of small dense LDL particles decreased
significantly (21%), and the change in LDL cholesterol was not
significant. Continued supplementation with DHA beyond 45 d caused no
further changes; placebo treatment altered none of the responses
tested. CONCLUSION: DHA supplementation may improve cardiovascular
health by lowering concentrations of triacylglycerols and small, dense
LDL particles.

PMID: 17684201 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

. Thanks Vince
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 24 Oct 2007 21:49 GMT
> > > "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi> wrote in part:
> > >
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> would be an aberration and lower carbs the way to go.  Yet the masses
> get the lipitor  push and nothing about HFCS.

It is not HFCS but the presence of harmful VAT that is the cause of
increased LDL especially small dense LDL, low HDL and high
triglycerides, which are all features of metabolic syndrome (MetS).

Truth is simple.

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit,

Andrew <><
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Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
truth@is-best.com - 24 Oct 2007 22:01 GMT
Our armchair internist opines:

"It is not HFCS but the presence of harmful VAT that is the cause of
increased LDL especially small dense LDL, low HDL and high
triglycerides, which are all features of metabolic syndrome (MetS).

Truth is simple."

No.  Evidence to the contrary happily reviewed if you can present it.

The two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc., and attendant notions is trash
science.

And that is simply the truth.

God bless.
MU - 27 Oct 2007 10:39 GMT
> The two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc., and attendant notions is trash
> science.

I could care less if it is scientific. It works. As if you had the first
ounce of credibility to determine scientific examination.

So, tell us, how is it being a Formula 1 driver?
William Wagner - 24 Oct 2007 20:43 GMT
> > "Juhana Harju" <nope@mail.fi> wrote in part:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> My mistake, sorry.

Juhana you must be punished.

Turn up the sauna another 10 degrees !

Envious Bill

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