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William Wagner - 27 Aug 2007 14:47 GMT
How do you get a copy of a study like Comet?  I've got the abstract
PMID: 17716943 and wonder what the best practise is ? I sometimes
stumble upon the whole published text  but am at a loss for how it can
be done.

Thanks!

Bill

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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Aug 2007 14:58 GMT
> How do you get a copy of a study like Comet?  I've got the abstract
> PMID: 17716943 and wonder what the best practise is ? I sometimes
> stumble upon the whole published text  but am at a loss for how it can
> be done.

It'll cost you 30 pieces of silver:

http://tinyurl.com/2seooq

> Thanks!

You are welcome, Bill :-)

Redirecting all thanks and praises to GOD so that we will both be that
much more blessed (hungrier):

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
% - 27 Aug 2007 15:06 GMT
> > How do you get a copy of a study like Comet?  I've got the abstract
> > PMID: 17716943 and wonder what the best practise is ? I sometimes
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist

maybe you should eat something before you're over blessed
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 27 Aug 2007 15:25 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> maybe you should eat something before you're over blessed

No such thing as being too blessed:

http://TruthRUS.org/DreadNought

Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
% - 27 Aug 2007 16:00 GMT
> > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Cardiologist

i just said there is so there is
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Aug 2007 01:56 GMT
> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
> > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> i just said there is so there is

Will gladly receive the blessings you refuse :-)

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Flying Rat, consultant in Earthquackery - 27 Aug 2007 20:36 GMT
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

Bullshit Chung.

The only reason you are hungry is because you are unemployed. And you
can't forgive Bob Pastorio for telling the world just why you got
bounced out of your one and only job in medicine, and a tribunal upheld
your firing.

No wonder your wife fled to California and left you bitter, starving and
alone, with only neighborhood cats to feed on.

You can't wriggle or lie your way out of the truth. Hiss and spit all
you want, the only condemned round here is YOU by your own lies and
evasions. Just like you hiss when Dr Frank's email gets reposted.

From: ROCKETMAN51...@aol.com
Date: 10/04/2001 11:18 AM
To: and...@heartmdphd.com

Dr. Chung:
Any comments I make at this time are mine alone and do not necessarily
reflect the views of CFHC.

After going through this difficult time with you, I understand that you
are probably not interested in anything I have to say. Also, I believe
what I do say will probably be twisted or interpreted by you to suit
your purposes. For that reason I will be as direct and declarative as
possible.

Your website comments about cardiology in Ocala, FL are detractions and
border on slander. These are legal terms, and one of the important
features of them is that the comments are published. Your website
fulfills that requirement. Now just reflect on the fact that you are the
only one to make such insinuations or allegations. Any reasonable person
seeing these things may justifiably conclude that it is you that is out
of step, not the other 15 or 20 cardiologists in Ocala. As I have in the
past, I am trying to get you to see the reality of the situation from
outside your head. You have chosen to ignore the
good advice I tried to give while you were here. I hope you will soon
realize you are doing yourself more harm than good by publishing your
dispute. It would be better to let it go, before your reputation suffers
more.

Speaking of reputations, I have spent 35 years building mine. I can call
on physicians from around the world and this community to attest to it.
I can also call upon the many physicians I trained to do cardiac
catheterization (over 25 years) to offer a positive opinion about my
work. You can't. Being just out of training, you have no reputation
except the one you have just established here in Ocala. You are
continuing to establish your reputation by publishing your website. How
do you think what you have said would look to another physician-perhaps
an employer- when he reads it? Do you think he or anyone would conclude
that you are a reputable physician, easy to work with and a team player?

Personally, if I find that you speak disparagingly of me, or my work to
any patient or physician, be assured I will not take the matter lightly.
Whatever you think of me personally, or whatever you think of my
professional activity, you do not have the right to condemn either me or
the work to another and thereby compromise my reputation. You may
disagree with me, or state we have a difference of opinion, but you may
not state that I am practicing less that optimum cardiology. Once again,
if I find that you have done so (and I hope it has not happened yet) I
will certainly take the matter to the State Board of Medicine for a
hearing. If the Florida State Board finds cause, and renders a censure,
that must be transmitted to all other State Boards on your next and all
future applications for licensure. And once again, just common sense
should tell you that hitting back in your situation is counterproductive
and could be disastrous for you. But as I told you face to face, you may
have great book smarts, but your actions have shown that you have no
common sense that permits you to operate successfully in a professional
community. And, once again, I will tell you what I did before, you do
not operate in a vacuum. Your practice, wherever it may be, must be
according to the community standard, regardless of what you perceive
that to be. And an attitude that you vocalized by saying that you were
unable to change the community standard in Ocala speaks loudly and
clearly about your perception of reality and your inability to work with
your colleagues.

Dr. Chung, I urgently advise you to let the past go. Look to your future
which could be bright. If you persist in these efforts of hitting back
and trying to justify your actions to a world that looks upon such
attempts as childish or immature and unprofessional, you will continue
to do yourself a disservice. You lost your job because you talked
yourself out of it.

Frank Hildner MD
f...@orgren.org

Taken from
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/d559bc684dd89f
72?hl=en&
Flying Rat, consultant in Earthquackery - 20 Nov 2007 23:16 GMT
> Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed:

Bullshit Chung.

The only reason you are hungry is because you are unemployed. And you
can't forgive Bob Pastorio for telling the world just why you got
bounced out of your one and only job in medicine, and a tribunal upheld
your firing.

No wonder your wife fled to California and left you bitter, starving and
alone, with only neighborhood cats to feed on.

You can't wriggle or lie your way out of the truth. Hiss and spit all
you want, the only condemned round here is YOU by your own lies and
evasions. Just like you hiss when Dr Frank's email gets reposted.

From: ROCKETMAN51...@aol.com
Date: 10/04/2001 11:18 AM
To: and...@heartmdphd.com

Dr. Chung:
Any comments I make at this time are mine alone and do not necessarily
reflect the views of CFHC.

After going through this difficult time with you, I understand that you
are probably not interested in anything I have to say. Also, I believe
what I do say will probably be twisted or interpreted by you to suit
your purposes. For that reason I will be as direct and declarative as
possible.

Your website comments about cardiology in Ocala, FL are detractions and
border on slander. These are legal terms, and one of the important
features of them is that the comments are published. Your website
fulfills that requirement. Now just reflect on the fact that you are the
only one to make such insinuations or allegations. Any reasonable person
seeing these things may justifiably conclude that it is you that is out
of step, not the other 15 or 20 cardiologists in Ocala. As I have in the
past, I am trying to get you to see the reality of the situation from
outside your head. You have chosen to ignore the
good advice I tried to give while you were here. I hope you will soon
realize you are doing yourself more harm than good by publishing your
dispute. It would be better to let it go, before your reputation suffers
more.

Speaking of reputations, I have spent 35 years building mine. I can call
on physicians from around the world and this community to attest to it.
I can also call upon the many physicians I trained to do cardiac
catheterization (over 25 years) to offer a positive opinion about my
work. You can't. Being just out of training, you have no reputation
except the one you have just established here in Ocala. You are
continuing to establish your reputation by publishing your website. How
do you think what you have said would look to another physician-perhaps
an employer- when he reads it? Do you think he or anyone would conclude
that you are a reputable physician, easy to work with and a team player?

Personally, if I find that you speak disparagingly of me, or my work to
any patient or physician, be assured I will not take the matter lightly.
Whatever you think of me personally, or whatever you think of my
professional activity, you do not have the right to condemn either me or
the work to another and thereby compromise my reputation. You may
disagree with me, or state we have a difference of opinion, but you may
not state that I am practicing less that optimum cardiology. Once again,
if I find that you have done so (and I hope it has not happened yet) I
will certainly take the matter to the State Board of Medicine for a
hearing. If the Florida State Board finds cause, and renders a censure,
that must be transmitted to all other State Boards on your next and all
future applications for licensure. And once again, just common sense
should tell you that hitting back in your situation is counterproductive
and could be disastrous for you. But as I told you face to face, you may
have great book smarts, but your actions have shown that you have no
common sense that permits you to operate successfully in a professional
community. And, once again, I will tell you what I did before, you do
not operate in a vacuum. Your practice, wherever it may be, must be
according to the community standard, regardless of what you perceive
that to be. And an attitude that you vocalized by saying that you were
unable to change the community standard in Ocala speaks loudly and
clearly about your perception of reality and your inability to work with
your colleagues.

Dr. Chung, I urgently advise you to let the past go. Look to your future
which could be bright. If you persist in these efforts of hitting back
and trying to justify your actions to a world that looks upon such
attempts as childish or immature and unprofessional, you will continue
to do yourself a disservice. You lost your job because you talked
yourself out of it.

Frank Hildner MD
f...@orgren.org

Taken from
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/d559bc684dd89f
72?hl=en&
word@before-time.com - 27 Aug 2007 16:14 GMT
" How do you get a copy of a study like Comet?  I've got the abstract
PMID: 17716943 and wonder what the best practise is ? I sometimes
stumble upon the whole published text  but am at a loss for how it can
be done."

That particular journal requires a subscription for online access for
recent issues.  Many journals have a 1 year embargo and then full access
is open online which is why you run across them.  Some, most, journals
never have an open access.

Use the medline search enjine with the reference number or title in the
search box.  Usually there is a "click here" link to the full article.
Or there is a link with "free in ..." for some articles to indicate open
access.

I downloaded the article.  If you have questions based on what the
abstract says I will be happy to attempt to answer them.
 
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