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Medical Forum / General / Cardiology / August 2007The Fat Virus
"A virus that has been linked to obesity in animals and humans works by converting adult stem cells into fat cells, making it easier to gain weight and harder to lose it, researchers reported this week." As reported in the August 25 LA Times, a study with this conclusion was presented to the American Chemical Society last week. AD-36 (adenovirus-36) causes respiratory and eye infections, and patients often gain excess weight after a bout with it. Animals have shown the same tendency. While around 11% of the non-0bese have antibodies for the virus, 30% of the obese have them. Other parallel studies have shown the conversion of stem cells to fat cells under the influence of the virus. If this finding can be confirmed it could conceivably lead to a vaccine for obesity. The short LA Times article is at http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-obesity25aug25,1,168036.story  SignatureDon Kirkman > "A virus that has been linked to obesity in animals and humans works by > converting adult stem cells into fat cells, making it easier to gain [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The short LA Times article is at > http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-obesity25aug25,1,168036.story AD-36 infection results in lowered serum lipids and increased insulin sensitivity in Wistar rats while inducing adiposity. Source: http://www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/content/abstract/14/11/1905 This is not what we are seeing in humans where weight gain is associated with increased serum lipids and decreased insulin sensitivity. The likely explanation for more of the obese having antibodies to AD-36 is greater susceptibility to infection from immunocompromise from their obesity rather than AD-36 infection causing their obesity. It is possible that AD-36 infection may be keeping some of our obese folks from having more VAT by diverting it to SCAT so that there would be a lowering of serum lipids and an increase in insulin sensitivity. The PPAR gamma agonists work in this manner as insulin sensitizers and lead to weight gain because people have an irrational compulsion to eat more when they are hungrier (healthier) because the world's great lie about hunger keeps them from knowing any better. Truly, it is only when we are hungry (stomachs laughing and singing :-) that our bodies get rid of the VAT that is hurting us. Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist It seems to me I heard somewhere that Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote in article <1188154806.141242.268790@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>: >> "A virus that has been linked to obesity in animals and humans works by >> converting adult stem cells into fat cells, making it easier to gain >> weight and harder to lose it, researchers reported this week." >> As reported in the August 25 LA Times, a study with this conclusion was >> presented to the American Chemical Society last week. AD-36 >> (adenovirus-36) causes respiratory and eye infections, and patients >> often gain excess weight after a bout with it. Animals have shown the >> same tendency. While around 11% of the non-0bese have antibodies for >> the virus, 30% of the obese have them. >> Other parallel studies have shown the conversion of stem cells to fat >> cells under the influence of the virus. If this finding can be >> confirmed it could conceivably lead to a vaccine for obesity. >> The short LA Times article is at >> http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-obesity25aug25,1,168036.story >AD-36 infection results in lowered serum lipids and increased insulin >sensitivity in Wistar rats while inducing adiposity. >Source: >http://www.obesityresearch.org/cgi/content/abstract/14/11/1905 Your cite supports the finding of increased obesity in rats . . . >This is not what we are seeing in humans where weight gain is >associated with increased serum lipids and decreased insulin >sensitivity. . . . but not in humans. And who is this "we"? Exactly where and when are you involved in these types of studies? >The likely explanation for more of the obese having antibodies to >AD-36 is greater susceptibility to infection from immunocompromise [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >eat more when they are hungrier (healthier) because the world's great >lie about hunger keeps them from knowing any better. Bottom line: your argument is with those doing the studies, not with me. Suggest you publish your own work on the subject. SignatureDon Kirkman > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Your cite supports the finding of increased obesity in rats . . . ... with lowered serum lipids and increased insulin sensitivity. > >This is not what we are seeing in humans where weight gain is > >associated with increased serum lipids and decreased insulin > >sensitivity. > > . . . but not in humans. And who is this "we"? Practicing physicians. > Exactly where and when are you involved in these types of studies? It remains unethical as discussed in the cited abstract to infect people with viruses so that "these types of studies" in humans will simply not be done. > >The likely explanation for more of the obese having antibodies to > >AD-36 is greater susceptibility to infection from immunocompromise [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Bottom line: your argument is with those doing the studies, not with > me. Explanation is not argument. Bottom line: You remain untruthful. This simply shows that the Holy Spirit is absolutely right to convict you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts Be hungry... be healthy... be hungrier... be blessed: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist Our atlanta friend at a loss exclaimed: > Bottom line: your argument is with those doing the studies, not with > me. "Explanation is not argument." And neither is evasive play upon words. You did not explain, you offered an unsupported opinion without benefit of research. Go into any bar any night of the week and find as much "explanation" as this as you want. "Bottom line: You remain untruthful." Bottom line, you continue daily to expose that you do not keep current with research. You willfully distort research in pursuit of a non-scientific agenda. You willfull ignore all research which refutes in part and in whole the agenda. Bottom line X 2, the truth is not in you and the two pound diet,aka 2 pd etc., remains trash science. God bless. > Our atlanta friend at a loss exclaimed: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > God bless. And the bottom line with you is the fact that you retain your anonymity to protect you from any libel suits directed your way AND any possible criminal charges for stalking and harassment as well. As a complete stranger, having read many of your posts and replied several times I wouldn't put any trust in a person that harasses others and stalks Andrew then makes the claims that he is dishonest, when you have so much of your own deviousness exposed! You're remarkably dishonest! >> Our atlanta friend at a loss exclaimed: >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > You're remarkably dishonest! I turn to yu my other cheek. God bless. satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > I turn to yu my other cheek. Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling you to unwittingly demonstrate that truth hurts you, satan. Laus Deo ! In Jesus' awesome name, I rebuke you yet again, satan. Prayerfully in the infinite power and might of the Holy Spirit, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Bondservant to the KING of kings and LORD of lords. Our atlanta friend suggests: > I turn to yu my other cheek. "Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling you to unwittingly demonstrate that truth hurts you, satan." Smile, you know full well the scripture to which the above alludes. I forgive you, forgive me if I have offended. God bless. > Our atlanta friend suggests: > >> I turn to yu my other cheek. At least you have dignity. I cannot say that you are satan in the flesh, and I certainly am not going to say so or tell Andrew he is wrong for thinking so. What I am going to tell you is that i believe evil is inherent in the nature of men else we wouldn't need a Christ to save us from our earned state. I of course am not convinced that you are a devil in the flesh and I believe Andrew knows this. However, you would not be my first mistake in this world but you could be my last, so pardon me if I proceed with extreme caution. Would you understand my caution if I were anonymous as are you ? > "Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling > you to unwittingly demonstrate that truth hurts you, satan." > > Smile, you know full well the scripture to which the above alludes. Yes, I do as well, and if I have offended you then please forgive me, and I will try all the harder to keep from doing it again. > I forgive you, forgive me if I have offended. > > God bless. Look, this charade has gone on long enough. The 2 PD Omer Approach is working for me, I'm happy seeing the weight melt away, eating less and I am content to wait and see if it cures the diabetes. If it does not then so be it, for I have gained much by losing the weight that I have, and met a brother in Christ. If you also ARE a brother in Christ then stop hiding from me and let me know it, otherwise I cannot treat you as a brother if I cannot confirm that you are, after all even a devil can quote scripture. I seek only to establish a bond between brothers of the LORD, I don't want your accumulated wealth or your firstborn child. Rod > satan, via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon), hissed: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yes, I do as well, and if I have offended you then please forgive me, > and I will try all the harder to keep from doing it again. We are not to cover up the light of the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ. Indeed, we expect satan to be offended by HIS light coming from our hearts. Your confronting satan with his dishonesty was a rebuke. This rebuke did hurt satan as a slap would hurt a man. Yes, we are to offer the other cheek when slapped. So, satan mocks you here by offering his other cheek when you rebuked him. If you choose to rebuke satan, in Jesus' awesome name, it will hurt him so badly that it would be like our being struck in the face with an aluminum alloy baseball bat. There would be no other cheek to offer after the whole face is torn off. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist > > I forgive you, forgive me if I have offended. > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Rod >> I forgive you, forgive me if I have offended. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > brothers of the LORD, I don't want your accumulated wealth or your > firstborn child. I'm a christian. But just because andrew uses pious quips in his posts doesn't make his trash two pound diet valid. Nor does it make his false teachings any less so. You lost weight because by accident of what you chose to include in the two pounds it is less then the calories your height and physical activity level require. That is how any effective diet works. Given another height and physical activity level, you could also gain weight on those two pounds or a different choice of what goes in the two pounds. Using actual food charts I and others have many times pointed this out to andrew. But to him the two pounds is a magical number and so he asserts it is correct. Have you seen his claim that because "omer" is mentioned in exodus 16:16, which adds up to 32 and is two pounds is proof of his assertions? I and others have many times shown him incorrect, an omer is not a neasyre iof weight but of volume and was used to measure volumes of grain. It has nothing to do with two pounds. He first had the two in mind and later married it to the omer based on a false understanding of what it is. No diet will cure diabetes. His assertions in this area have no basis in science that he can provide. You can reverse your metabolic numbrs greatly by weight loss and careful attention to what you eat but it will not be a cure. All you would need do is to have a standard glucose test and it would show a clear diagnosis of diabetes. There is nothing about two pounds that has any connection in the least to a cure for diabetes. His entire obsession about vat is one of those things that has a half truth in it. But as he often does he expands that half truth to make it something it is not. I have presented the research to show how his claim about vat is not valid as he uses it. He just ignores it because of his obsession. It was exactly for a person like yourself that I bother to respond and correct andrew. When one is not up on the science of the matter it is easy to be taken in. Also because he adds his religious quips people give him greater leeway if they are also religious. But the two,ie the science and his religious statements, have nothing to do with each other. If one is critical of his trash science then he comes back to say it is because of his religion, not so. If one shows the error of his false self invented religious teachings he likewise attacks as you see clearly. I would be happy to discuss his false teachings if you wish,ex. the use of the pagan "chi" and others. You are not the first person with religious faith to be taken in. But when any of those before came to question his posts and assertions and question them, then he turned on them likewise. It is to be his way or you are an enemy of God. Test this for yourself, ask him if he sins. God bless. >>> I forgive you, forgive me if I have offended. >>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > No diet will cure diabetes. His assertions in this area have no basis > in science that he can provide. I believe Andrew said "may" cure type 2, but this is my fault as i do not recall all of the post correctly. > You can reverse your metabolic numbrs > greatly by weight loss and careful attention to what you eat but it will > not be a cure. All you would need do is to have a standard glucose test > and it would show a clear diagnosis of diabetes. Yet this is the point where science leaves me flat and hanging, with no answer for the problem. Andrew provided an answer via faith in God, and i want to go that route. Some may consider me a zealot, but the same can be said of those with a firm trust in science. > There is nothing about two pounds that has any connection in the least > to a cure for diabetes. His entire obsession about vat is one of those [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > science and his religious statements, have nothing to do with each > other. Okay, I accept as truth that you respond from concern for others. No, I am not up on all the medical science, but I wasn't born to the world unable to learn, so I will make the hearty attempt to get up to speed, and that may take some of the strain off of Andrew having to explain things to a younger brother in Christ. I can be a pain. > If one is critical of his trash science then he comes back to say it is > because of his religion, not so. If one shows the error of his false > self invented religious teachings he likewise attacks as you see > clearly. I would be happy to discuss his false teachings if you > wish,ex. the use of the pagan "chi" and others. My mind is open here. I have put some time and effort into understanding this chi thing, and though the idea may have had pagan use, the root of it's existence is far from being a pagan creation, for anything to do with the human body has it's roots with God Almighty. And I must hand it to the Chinese for uncovering it's existence, else we might all remain ignorant of it as we once were of gunpowder. I am working towards learning more. it will take time but some of these things are new to me. > You are not the first person with religious faith to be taken in. I do not feel taken in. Many times you just have to exercise faith in the face of dark moments when doubt tries to creep in. I believe you when to say you are Christian, but being Christian doesn't make a person immune from the humaness living within them, so mistakes we will all make. > But > when any of those before came to question his posts and assertions and > question them, then he turned on them likewise. It is to be his way or > you are an enemy of God. Test this for yourself, ask him if he sins. It is evident that you do not understand the relationship created when the Holy Spirit indwells a man. He becomes as one with the man, you harm one, you harm both. I do not plan to lose either in my lifetime. Now you should have gain some understanding of why Andrew believes you are under the influence of satan. Your disbelief would lead me to my death were i not wise to it. God prepared me ahead of your coming. I guess I am a zealot after all, or is it just simple trust in God ? > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > I believe Andrew said "may" cure type 2, but this is my fault as i do > not recall all of the post correctly. You have recalled correctly. Moreover, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > > You can reverse your metabolic numbrs > > greatly by weight loss and careful attention to what you eat but it will [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and i want to go that route. Some may consider me a zealot, but the same > can be said of those with a firm trust in science. Those who would have a brother in Christ leave his walk with Christ are not Christians. > > There is nothing about two pounds that has any connection in the least > > to a cure for diabetes. His entire obsession about vat is one of those [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Okay, I accept as truth that you respond from concern for others. If the latter were true, you would have witnessed this "christian" (sp) informing others about LORD Jesus Christ because we, as Christians, are more concerned about the immortal soul than the mortal body. It is satan's lie that the state of the soul has no effect on the body. > No, > I am not up on all the medical science, but I wasn't born to the world > unable to learn, so I will make the hearty attempt to get up to speed, > and that may take some of the strain off of Andrew having to explain > things to a younger brother in Christ. I can be a pain. Past discussions about the scientific basis of the information that that Holy Spirit has guided me to write remain as archived in Google as indexed here: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write. This is done by dying to self daily in order to remain a new creature in HIM. And, so this sinner has stopped sinning by seeking out and being in GOD's perfect will. "Stop sinning." -- LORD Jesus Christ to HIS brethren. Amen. It is satan's lie that the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ continue to sin. There is no sin in doing the will of GOD. > > If one is critical of his trash science then he comes back to say it is > > because of his religion, not so. If one shows the error of his false [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > working towards learning more. it will take time but some of these > things are new to me. All praises and glory belong to GOD here because it is HIS breath that is our "life force energy," which is Chi/Qi. The existence of HIS breath is as written in the Bible. > > You are not the first person with religious faith to be taken in. > > I do not feel taken in. You have not been deceived by what is written in the Bible. However, without the Holy Spirit, there is the spirit of error (self) that will deceive you. This is why it is important to be reborn of Christ's living water and the Holy Spirit followed by dying to self daily. > Many times you just have to exercise faith > in the face of dark moments when doubt tries to creep in. I believe > you when to say you are Christian, but being Christian doesn't make > a person immune from the humaness living within them, so mistakes > we will all make. The sockpuppet of satan has written that it is "christian" (sp) and not that it is either Christian or a brother in Christ. Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for HIS compelling satan to unwittingly make this telling error. GOD provides tells for the discerning to spot satan's lies as they occur. The biggest tell of all here is its anonymity. > > But > > when any of those before came to question his posts and assertions and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > when the Holy Spirit indwells a man. He becomes as one with the man, > you harm one, you harm both. Actually, HE keeps us from harm. > I do not plan to lose either in my lifetime. "These who do MY Father's will are MY family." -- LORD Jesus Christ Amen. These who do the will of GOD have stopped sinning. > Now you should have gain some understanding of why Andrew > believes you are under the influence of satan. Your disbelief [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I guess I am a zealot after all, or is it just simple trust > in God ? Such is our faith in GOD. It has nothing to with religion (ie not religious faith, which is a lie of satan) and everything to do with love. Love never fails. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist On Aug 28, 5:28 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > [quoted text clipped - 211 lines] > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD > Cardiologist hai im from indonesia i like to offer my company product " AIRAN " which made from fresh milk and fermented with lactobacilus caucassus please visit us at :http://www.airan-sehat.com or contact me at agung4...@yahoo.com > hai im from indonesia > i like to offer my company product " AIRAN " > which made from fresh milk and fermented with lactobacilus caucassus > please visit us at :http://www.airan-sehat.com > or contact me at agung4...@yahoo.com Ah well, you at least only claim to want to make money. Kind regards Peter Larsen >"It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write. This is done by dying to self daily in order to remain a new creature in HIM. And, so this sinner has stopped sinning by seeking out and being in GOD's perfect will. It is satan's lie that the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ continue to sin." (Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) *** 1 John 1: 8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. *** Andrew... if we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts. Historic, orthodox Christian doctrine has never held that those who believe in Jesus Christ are sinless. Sinless perfection or entire sanctification has always been regarded as false doctrine, is refuted by scripture, and was never believed or taught by Christ or His apostles. Much of the foundation of the Christian church was formed during the first four centuries. "The faith once delivered to the saints" is clearly affirmed in its ancient creeds. > >"It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write. This is done by dying to self daily in order to remain a new creature in HIM. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Andrew... if we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar > and showing that his word has no place in our hearts. Correct. This would be different from obeying Jesus' command to stop sinning. > Historic, orthodox Christian doctrine has never held that those who > believe in Jesus Christ are sinless. Sinless perfection or entire [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > during the first four centuries. "The faith once delivered to the > saints" is clearly affirmed in its ancient creeds. Correct. The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are neither perfect (i.e. sinless) nor more special... ... we are simply forgiven by GOD: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ It is in our forgiven state, that we can be reborn of Christ's living water and the Holy Spirit, so that with HIS help, we are able to stop sinning. "Stop sinning." -- LORD Jesus Christ to those who would follow HIM. Amen. It is one of satan's many lies that Jesus gave commands that were impossible for us to follow even with HIS help. "With man this is impossible, but with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26) Amen. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist Our friend from atlanta needs to stop dancing upon the head of a pin and read once more that we all are liable to sin, past and future tense, as the last verse shows: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world. We have sinned, we are sinning and we will sin, and if we confess He is quick to forgive our sin. The word of the Lord: Then Peter came up and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?" Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven." God bless and protect you and provide peace. Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me a sinner. Amen : ) > satan via a sockpuppet (corporeal demon) hissed: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Amen : ) It saddens me to observe how your ears itch for what you want to hear rather than for the truth. "Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." -- LORD Jesus Christ to HIS brethren (Matthew 5:48) Amen. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever: http://TheWellnessFoundation.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist Hi, Our other friend wrote: ¦| Our friend from atlanta (sic) needs to stop dancing upon the head of a ¦| pin and . . . . etc. As far as I can see this has exactly nothing to do with cardiology, diabetes or even health in general. I have nothing against religious belief but people use these groups to learn about *health*. If they want evangelical crap (crap is my opinion) there are other, more appropriate fora. Evangelism here is actively damaging people by preventing them from receiving advice and help. I'm sure most evangelists don't want this - but some obviously do. They should stop trying to kill me and try to heal themselves. Take care, Phil. > It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy > Spirit in everything I say, do, and write. Andrew Chung: Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google) Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google sock accounts and email addresses in the format love#@thetruth.com (# being a number) Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job after just over 80 days Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates, which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets) Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet, then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process. Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto food. Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to. Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong. Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a church. Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being on vacation". Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his 'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google. Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they pass away. "I believe Andrew said "may" cure type 2, but this is my fault as i do not recall all of the post correctly. He wanders all over the place on this, sometimes qualified and sometimes a bald unsupported assertion of "cure". > You can reverse your metabolic numbrs > greatly by weight loss and careful attention to what you eat but it will > not be a cure. All you would need do is to have a standard glucose test > and it would show a clear diagnosis of diabetes. "Yet this is the point where science leaves me flat and hanging, with no answer for the problem. Andrew provided an answer via faith in God, and i want to go that route. Some may consider me a zealot, but the same can be said of those with a firm trust in science." And this is where people feeling vulnerable get taken by frauds who know and use this against them for their own ends. Andrew evokes science also if you recall, but without research in support. His pious quips don't add anything to his assertions. I would be happy to discuss his false teachings if you > wish,ex. the use of the pagan "chi" and others. My mind is open here. I have put some time and effort into understanding this chi thing, and though the idea may have had pagan use, the root of it's existence is far from being a pagan creation, for anything to do with the human body has it's roots with God Almighty. And I must hand it to the Chinese for uncovering it's existence, else we might all remain ignorant of it as we once were of gunpowder. I am working towards learning more. it will take time but some of these things are new to me." "Chi" is a core belief of the false religion of taoism. When you accept it as a reality you affirm that religion. "Chi" has no reality, it is a superstition that doesn't relate to christian orthodox teaching in the least. It is an example of a "new age religion" notion. Many other eastern religions have a similar idea. "Chi" is not the Holy Spirit nor does it come from it. Discuss this with your pastor. This is where andrew gets off track. He refuses to discuss his false and even heretical teachings with anyone other them himself for confirmation in orthodox teaching. He is an authorty unto himself. Lone ranger scripture readers have long been the source of false teachings and heresy with such an external to themselves measure of orthodoxy. > You are not the first person with religious faith to be taken in. I do not feel taken in. Many times you just have to exercise faith in the face of dark moments when doubt tries to creep in. I believe you when to say you are Christian, but being Christian doesn't make a person immune from the humaness living within them, so mistakes we will all make." How would you know if you have been taken in? Discuss this with your pastor. You too need a measure external to yourself to avoid andrew's mistakes. > But > when any of those before came to question his posts and assertions and > question them, then he turned on them likewise. It is to be his way or > you are an enemy of God. Test this for yourself, ask him if he sins. "It is evident that you do not understand the relationship created when the Holy Spirit indwells a man. He becomes as one with the man, you harm one, you harm both. I do not plan to lose either in my lifetime. Now you should have gain some understanding of why Andrew believes you are under the influence of satan. Your disbelief would lead me to my death were i not wise to it. God prepared me ahead of your coming. Just ask him if he sins. His answer has nothing to do with me. Your conclusions about me are irrelevant. If he says he sins we know one thing, if he says no then we know another. I am not the measure of him, his answer and what scritture says about such is. Ask him. Are we not told to test the spirits, since you claim that he has a spirit that is one with him. Ask him and let his answer tell us. As for your belief system mentioned above, there is nothing new in it I did not know previously. As to your conclusion about my supposed "disbelief" then you are in error. I know why andrew thinks satan has someting to do with me, it is not what you think either that causes him to do so. Other christians clearly as spiritual and ernest as you have encountered his judgement before. If you do not agree with him then for him you are an agent of satan. He sets himself up as judge alone based soley on to what degree you accept without question his notions . God bless. rod spits insane sh.t- It is evident that you do not understand the relationship created when the Holy Spirit indwells a man. He becomes as one with the man, you harm one, you harm both. end insane sh.t. your f.cking a loony toon dude-i mean REALLY f.cking SCARY LOONIE! > rod spits insane sh.t- > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > end insane sh.t. > your f.cking a loony toon dude-i mean REALLY f.cking SCARY LOONIE! So be scared somewhere else! >> rod spits insane sh.t- >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > So be scared somewhere else! not gonna happen retard. Before considering accepting or acting upon the opinions of andrew chung on any topic, please read at least 3 of his other posts. Quickly you will percieve clearly the truth of this warning. Any question his opinion might suggest to you should be confirmed always with an expert or others in the newsgroup. <snip> If you wan to play kissy with the Ching troll,,. go right ahead, but take it off of the newsgroups Andrew needs hospitalization, what is your excuse? > <snip> > If you wan to play kissy with the Ching troll,,. go right ahead, but > take it off of the newsgroups > Andrew needs hospitalization, what is your excuse? Prove your claims, that should be easy for you if there is anything to them besides "whining"....... |
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